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Gratitude, Guilt & Desire: The Emotional Paradox of Motherhood

Rebecca Dollard: Somatic Mind-Body Life Coach, Enneagram Coach, Speaker, Boundaries Coach, Mindset Season 1 Episode 31

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In this episode we explore the emotional rollercoaster that is motherhood—where gratitude often collides with guilt, leaving many women feeling isolated and disconnected. We ask a critical question: Can gratitude be a mask for deeper struggles? Are we using gratitude as the rug we sweep our humanity under?

Becca unpacks how gratitude, when genuinely felt, is a full-body experience that enriches our lives. She challenges the common narrative that gratitude should diminish our desires, proposing instead that it can fuel personal growth and fulfillment. Through the metaphor of food, she illustrates how understanding our "hunger"—both literal and emotional—empowers us to make choices that nourish our well-being.

This episode explores the tension between guilt and happiness, especially for those raised in environments where positive emotions were stifled. Becca delves into how embracing both our highs and lows creates space for authentic joy and personal growth.

Key takeaways:

  1. Gratitude isn’t just a mental acknowledgment—it's a full-body experience that can lead to deeper fulfillment.
  2. Guilt vs shame for hunger, desire, and ambition 
  3. Self-awareness is crucial for nourishing both our physical and emotional needs without guilt.
  4. It's possible to be deeply satisfied while still hungry for more—both in motherhood and life.

Tune in to learn how to embrace both satisfaction and hunger, navigating the complexities of motherhood with authenticity and empowerment.


Chapters: 

  • 0:02-  Gratitude and Overcoming Guilt
  • 10:59- Embracing Hunger and Gratitude
  • 20:49- Gratitude and Fulfillment in Hunger



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Welcome to the Motherhood Mentor Podcast. I'm Becca, a somatic healing practitioner and a holistic life coach for moms, and this podcast is for you. You can expect honest conversations and incredible guests that speak to health, healing and growth in every area of our lives. This isn't just strategy for what we do. It's support for who we are. I believe we can be wildly ambitious while still holding all of our soft and hard humanity as holy. I love combining deep inner healing with strategic systems and no-nonsense talk about what this season is really like. So grab whatever weird health beverage you're currently into and let's get into it. Welcome to today's episode of the Motherhood Mentor Podcast.

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Today, I'm going to talk to you about gratitude. It is almost Thanksgiving, and I think it's a time of year where a lot of people tend to either think about gratitude or feel like they should think about gratitude, so I wanted to come on and share a couple of things that I think will really change the way that you look at and think about gratitude. So one is do not let gratitude be the rug that you use to sweep your humanity underneath, and what I mean by that is that I work with a lot of women who are very grateful for their lives. They have really wonderful, beautiful lives, or businesses, or marriages or motherhood or all of the above, and yet sometimes gratitude has been the rug that they have to sweep under all of the messy, hard, overwhelming their grief. They feel like they have to sweep it under this rug of good girl, like if I'm being good, if I'm acting good, if I look good, I have to like sweep all of the messy, hard parts of me under this rug of good, of gratitude, and what that does is one. It leaves you extremely lonely because the people around you don't actually know you. They don't actually know your full, real, authentic experience of your life and of yourself. And not all of life is positive, ooey, gooey, fun things. It's the contrast, it's the polarity, it's the highs and the lows, and the depths and the nuance, and so, allowing gratitude to be, you hold both at the same time this like the things that feel so good that you love and cherish and you're not just logically, mentally grateful for, but like you can feel that gratitude in your body.

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If you think of gratitude as an experiential thing, what can feel that gratitude in your body Like? If you think of gratitude as an experiential thing, what does it feel like in your body when you look at your kid and you think I'm so grateful for them? You can think that in your head, but what does it feel like in your body when you're grateful For me? It's like my heart is growing right, like when the Grinch's heart is growing. It's like there's this expansion and there's a longing for what you already have. I think a lot of times, gratitude is wanting what you already have. It's longing for what you already have and feeling that sense of I have what I want and I notice it and I feel it and I appreciate it. I can attune to it and feel it and notice it. It's the difference between getting a gift that you're like, oh, this is cool, logically, you think it's great, and having this full body response of like oh my gosh, I see what this is, I feel what it is. I'm tangibly connecting to the experience of that thing. Connecting to the experience of that thing.

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So many of us, we only use cognition for gratitude. What do I think I'm grateful for? What do I logically know I'm grateful for? Versus like in my body, can I feel where I am? I think gratitude has to come from presence. We have to be present with it.

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Which brings me to another aspect of gratitude, which is it's really hard to be grateful when you are feeling guilty. And guilt is a really strange thing, because I don't think guilt is actually. Guilt is not an emotion or experience that our culture does well or talks about well, and I think most people don't know what that somatic, sensory experience of guilt is, and I'm going to try to not get on a whole tangent about guilt and staying gratitude. But if I'm sitting and eating a plate of food and I'm feeling guilty for it, I'm feeling this sense of badness or wrongness, like I'm taking up too much space by eating this food. Right, like there used to be this saying when I was growing up. I don't know how popular it was, but it's like finish what's on your plate because there's kids who are starving. That didn't make me grateful for the food on my plate. It made me feel guilty for the food on my plate. It made me feel like this food that I'm eating is robbing someone else of this food and if I don't eat it, it gives them more. Like if I breathe less, they get more oxygen, and it creates this environment and it creates this culture, and I think I mean I know I've worked with so many women who have this felt sense of guilt.

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When they are successful, when they're taking up too much space, when they're too happy, they can feel this guilt of being too happy. Their bodies are unused to feeling good. There's this set point of happiness and a lot of us reach that, and then our bodies say if you feel any better than this, you're dishonoring the people who don't feel good. Maybe you grew up in a family where you had a parent who would get set off, and if you were too happy or felt too good, it was almost as if you were dishonoring them. It was an affront to their humanity. Because we have this culture that does not play well with duality and we do not play well with polarity, both in ourselves and collectively as a culture, and so we don't realize that highs and lows can go really great together, and feeling really really good and really really shitty can happen from one moment to the next, or even so quickly we can't even tell when it's happening.

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But gratitude and guilt are two really hard emotional experiences to feel at the same time, and I really find they don't happen at the same time. And so if you are feeling guilty, as if you are taking up too much space, you're being too inconvenient, you're spending too much money, and there's a big difference between your taking behaviors that are outside of alignment with your values and this feeling of guilt, this feeling of I'm feeling bad, I'm feeling uncomfortable, I feel like I want to shrink down. There's this if I think of the sensory experience of guilt, what that feels like in women's bodies, because it's usually not having the thoughts of I'm too happy or, you know, I'm taking up too much space and it's robbing it from other people it's this sense of comparison, it's this feeling of playing small and you can't see me if you're listening to this, but like your shoulders shrunken and you collapse in on yourself. That's the feeling and the experience of guilt is well, what people will label as guilt, and what I'm talking about right now, of this, like this guilt of taking up space, this guilt of being human, whether that is the height of your humanity. There's a lot of women who feel bad about their success. They try to play small, they try to be less confident or successful or brilliant or outspoken, or funny or fun or happy, because they feel like it's an affront to either other women, other people who don't feel that, who can't have that, or even their own selves.

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I remember there was a time in my life especially when I was just coming out of some deep, intense trauma healing where feeling happy, feeling healthy and well felt like I was dishonoring who I was, because, for a long season, who I was was really over, identified with a victim, with someone who was in a lot of pain and a lot of anger and fear and disassociation, and there were some times where it felt like I was leaving her behind, like I was forgetting what happened to her, like I was forgetting what she survived, and so I would feel this sense of badness, this guilt. And what's wild is that guilt kept me in this place where I could not feel grateful. I could logically see that I was grateful. I could logically see that I had what I wanted, that I was finally where I always wanted to be, but my body couldn't feel where I was, my body couldn't feel how I was, and so, really, gratitude is an experiential thing and one of the things that really blocks that is this societal, what we would call guilt.

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It's truly shame. It's really not guilt. It's shame because guilt is when you're behaving in a way that is outside of alignment with your values and you can change it versus shame is something that you feel in your body of there's something wrong with me, I'm taking up too much space, I'm inconvenient, I'm a problem, I'm a burden, and those usually aren't the logical thoughts you have. It's a physical, emotional experience that you're having in your body and it feels different for every woman and that's why it's actually a really hard thing to describe is because mental things are a little bit easier, because you can say these are the thoughts you're having, versus emotional experience. That part of self is harder because it's going to feel different for everyone. But again, I find that this when you're feeling guilty, it's really hard.

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Find that this when you're feeling guilty, it's really hard to be grateful. When you're feeling guilty for having too much money, you're not grateful. And what's interesting is that gratitude is an expansive emotion. It's it moves up and out Guilt and shame. They move down and in they. They are very. They slow you down, they weigh you down, they bury you. They slow you down, they weigh you down, they bury you, they get you low, they get you slow. But gratitude is a expansive emotion. It says I love what I have and there's so much available to me and it makes you want to open it, like it opens your chest, it opens your heart, it opens your hands and when you are feeling grateful, you feel very generous. It leads to a lot of generosity, both in emotional sense, relational sense, but also in a tangible behavior sense.

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Guilt and shame tend to have you close off, tend to have you bury your head in the sand or feel like this victim or a villain. Right, shame and blame are two sides of the same coin, where you're either the victim and the villain, and that's what happens a lot of times. We're feeling guilty but we don't even know why. Again, that example of if I don't eat the food on my plate, somehow some starving kid somewhere else isn't going to eat, when that's not actually true, which is different if I'm saying I'm so grateful for this food on my plate and I know what I have and I can taste it and it's going to nourish me, and then from that nourishment, how do I show up? How do I give? Another example of this is with time, when you are with your kids and you're feeling guilty about not taking care of the house. You're missing out on the experience of gratitude, of experiencing your kids.

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Gratitude is an experience with the present, the past and the future, but it is with presence. It's not logical, it's in your body, it's in how it feels. So another thing with gratitude is a lot of women feel and again, this isn't logic, this isn't coming out in your thoughts, this isn't coming out in your ideas. It will when we start. If you're working with me, it will come out. You will be able to find the language for what you're experiencing.

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But a lot of women have this thing where their gratitude is their cap. Their gratitude is this I'm not allowed to be hungry anymore. I'm not allowed to want or need because I already have so much. So they look at their lives and they have this abundance, they have this gratitude. It's a felt sense and it's a thought sense. But they take that to mean that they're not allowed to be hungry, that they have to cap their desire for what they already have. And here's the thing you are allowed to be massively grateful and love what you have and then say thank you more, please.

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I'm going to come back to this experience of food because I think it's one that women. They get it because food is such a. It's a really great parable, if you will, for so many of the ways that women relate to themselves, to their bodies, to our lives of. If you cook me a meal and I eat it and I say, oh my gosh, this was so good, I want more, do you see me as ungrateful? Or do you see me as she loves this so much, she wants more of it? If I make a recipe and I say, oh my gosh, this is so good, but I bet if I added just a little bit more salt, it would be even better than the goodness. That is not a bad thing, that is not a wrong thing.

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But women have such a messed up relationship to our hunger and it's not our fault, it wasn't our fault, we didn't create this, it was the water we swam in. But if you think about our relationship to hunger literal, physical hunger one most women are not connected to their hunger. We look outside of ourselves to experts to say what do I eat, when and how, exactly what? Tell me what. We look to someone else to tell us what we should eat, what's on our plates, which in your life, you're often doing this with your business or your motherhood. You're looking outside yourself and telling people. You tell me what to eat, tell me what to do and when to do it and how, and I will follow that formula. And guess what? When it doesn't work, I will be the problem, my body will be the problem, my hunger will be the problem, my self-control will be the problem, my willpower will be the problem.

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Versus what would it look like if you could feel how hungry you are, if you could know what foods nourish your body, what foods felt good to your body, you knew how your body responded to things and you felt this relationship to you and the food. You started understanding when I'm hungry and when I'm hungry for something that doesn't feed me. What I mean by that is, I could be hungry for ice cream and I can love ice cream, but does that ice cream love me back? And am I eating this ice cream as a celebration? Or am I eating this ice cream to numb or dissociate? Or am I using this ice cream to meet a need that it cannot feed? Because if I'm going to a bowl of ice cream to enjoy the ice cream, I'm going to love the shit out of that ice cream and it's going to love me back, it's going to feel fun, it's going to be enjoyable. But if I go to eat a bowl of ice cream, but what I really want and need is connection or understanding, or to feel good in my body, I can't get that in a bowl of ice cream.

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And so this relationship to your hunger is reflected in so many areas of your life. And here's how this ties into gratitude. Your gratitude does not mean that you're not going to be hungry anymore. Just because you're grateful for your life, just because you love your husband, does not mean that you're not allowed to say I love you and this doesn't work for me anymore. This one aspect of what we're doing, it's not going to work for me.

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It's like you know, my daughter doesn't like nuts. And if someone bakes cookies and it has nuts in it, I'll be like oh my gosh, this is the best cookie I've ever had. And she'll be like it's really good, but it has nuts in it. I don't like the nuts. There's nothing wrong with her for not liking that, it's just her. It's what she likes and what she doesn't like, and there's nothing wrong with it. And sometimes it's infuriating as a parent, but I get so excited for her as a woman because I say keep knowing what you do like and what you don't like, and don't let anyone ever tell you that that is an inconvenience.

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It is what makes you you. What makes you you is what you like and what you don't like, and the beauty and the terrible reality is that your likes and wants are going to change. Something that satisfied you last year may not satisfy you. It might be too much, it might be not enough. Your tummy might change. Your gut might change. The satisfy you. It might be too much, it might be not enough. Your tummy might change. Your gut might change. The food you're eating might change. You might grow more muscle and you need more protein to take care of it.

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One of the common things that can happen in women that I work with is they're like I'm already doing all of this self-care, I already take so much time and energy for myself, but it's not enough. And it is this entire existential crisis of like. What do you do when what used to be enough doesn't feel like enough? And now you want more and I've reached my threshold of what I feel like I'm allowed to do, the money I'm allowed to spend, the time I'm allowed to take, the energy and attention that I'm allowed to take for me feels selfish and it's too much. And you're reaching your threshold of what you feel like you're allowed to want. You're eating, you're hitting your threshold of what you feel like you're allowed to have, the amount of pleasure, the amount of rest, the amount of ease. It feels unnerving to your body because you've never felt this safe before.

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When your body is used to survival, when your set point for your life has been healing or survival, feeling good and thriving will be uncomfortable. You will feel this sense of like weirdness, be uncomfortable. You will feel this sense of like weirdness. And it's so interesting because women will perceive this as a problem. Women will perceive this as I feel uncomfortable. I need to change something. There's a problem here, excuse me, and so many times it's because they're hitting this threshold of. That should be enough. I've eaten too much. And what did they tell us all the time in the 90s? Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels Bullshit. Nothing tastes as good or feels as good as being so deeply nourished and having everything that you need nutritionally and then really fucking loving what you're eating like actually enjoying the taste and the experience and the sensory like. Did you know that you're allowed to love food and have food? Love you back, like that is a healthy relationship and I'm going to bring this back to gratitude.

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What is your relationship to what you want and what you need? Do you feel guilty and bad for taking up space, for wanting things, for needing things, for having a preference of what you like and what you don't like and having that change and being able to feel that? One of the things that happens and I've seen this over and over in motherhood is that a lot of times your taste changes, your taste changes, your need changes, your appetite changes and all of a sudden you start realizing I don't like this anymore, I don't want this anymore, I want this different, I want more, I want less, I want more, but in a different direction, in a different area. But you don't feel like you're allowed to say that if it looks good, if it looks good on paper, you're supposed to just be grateful. But what if you can be massively grateful and feel that in your body and still be able to look at pieces and parts of it and say that's not it, this isn't it? What if you will give yourself permission to feel and see the gap and not make that a problem about you. Permission to feel and see the gap and not make that a problem about you. To allow it to be permission and not pressure of saying what if my desire for growth, what if my ability to sense things in me that need to mature or to be able to see problems isn't a problem.

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It's the best thing about me that I'm hungry. I am so hungry and I care way too fucking much. I care so much and sometimes that is massively inconvenient and sometimes it is massively uncomfortable, but can I just tell you that that has become one of my favorite things, because I'm so hungry for these things that I want and I've decided to get so so grateful. I am so satisfied where I'm at. I'm so deeply satisfied. I'm satisfied in every area, and do you know how fun it is to be satisfied and then to still be able to be hungry and want something and desire something, not because I need it, not because I'm starving, but because I'm so well nourished that now I'm just like what else? How do we make it better? How do we make more? How do I build a bigger, bigger table? How do I feed more people? And here is another truth the more well-nourished you are, the more space you take up, the more you acknowledge and meet your needs as a woman, as a mother, as a business owner, the more energy and capacity you have to take care of others. So this whole good girl role of I don't want to be inconvenient and I don't want to make other people uncomfortable.

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We are perpetuating the pattern for our children of them playing small. There was a moment, one time, when one of my kids was sick and they were crying and they were like I'm so sorry, cause I think they could tell that I was tired. I was having one of those. You know, those days when your kids are just sick and you're just, you're exhausted because it just feels like your whole world has centered around taking care of the sick kid. And it's not you're. You happily do it, but I think the kid could sense this. It's a, it's my very empathic kid and I said oh, sweet love, it is the greatest honor of my life to take care of you. It is the greatest honor of my life to do things for you that you are perfectly capable of doing yourself. It is a joy to know what you need and to know that I can meet that need.

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What if we saw ourselves in the same way? Don't get me wrong. I am not always happy about my neediness. In fact, I am very often irritated by it or annoyed by it of like, how more high maintenance am I going to get? And what's so interesting is what used to feel very, very edgy for me now feels like my normal of taking care of myself. It becomes a non-issue. And what that's done? It has not made me more selfish. It has made me more full and capable and in capacity to be able to hold that space for other people, whether that's my kids or my husband or my clients or my friends and family.

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I realize, oh my goodness, we are just these needy, messy, wonderfully hungry people who constantly eat things that we don't want to eat or overeat. And I mean this in a literal sense, but also in gratitude of like. We live in an overconsumption culture where we have more things and stuff and we're consuming more information than we ever have. We are starving and stuffed, and none of that curates gratitude. Neither starving nor stuffed is a sense of gratitude, because both are. This sense of it's never enough and I can't have it. And things are not the problem. And information is not the problem. The problem, and again, hunger and wanting things are not the problem, but the solution is being able to be present, present with the full picture of what do I want and need and how can I meet that to the best of my ability. How can I let myself be hungry and want things that I don't have and then want what I do have? What do I already have that I've always wanted? What do I have now that I used to pray for and dream for and work for? And can I notice it? Because here's the thing At first, those grateful moments, they're really high, especially when they're in contrast, when you've had the contrast of loss or you've had the contrast of it not working, it not working, it not working, and then it works.

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There can be this high, there can be this excitement, but after a while it just becomes normal, it just becomes I don't want to use the word mediocre, but you're not always having this roller coaster experience of these really highs and these really lows. Especially when you get more regulated, you start realizing it's all just experiences. A great, oh my gosh. Okay, a great example of this my first retreat I did. It had so much activation and I was so grateful and I was like so shocked. I was like I can't believe I did this and it I felt so lit up in my body. I was like on a high of like I can't believe I just led a retreat and it when that retreat happened, it went really well. I got really good feedback. I made money on it.

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Like all of the all of the things that I wanted looked and felt so good and I was lit up in my body. I was so grateful for it and I noticed after a couple of retreats I stopped having that same full body thing. But I was still so deeply grateful. I loved what I was doing and I loved who I was doing it for. But I was used to that it wasn't this crazy high of a mountaintop. It now was something that I did regularly and it didn't mean that I lost perspective, but that had become a new normal for me and it's just something I do now.

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It's not this crazy intense experience and that doesn't mean I'm not grateful for it, and when I'm trying to make these retreats even better each year as my clients come back to them. I'm not looking at it of like, oh, this was terrible. I'm looking at it of like, okay, this thing is so amazing, how do I make it even better? How do I, you know, before the experience and after the experience, how do I, how do I take it and like fine tune it for them and for me even better, because I love it so much. I love it so much that I want to take such good care of it. What if you looked at gratitude that way? What if you looked at your life and your marriage and your motherhood and your physical health and you just said I love this thing so much and I'm so grateful for where I am and I wonder how much better it could get?

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I think of like my body, health, of like I don't hate my body, I love my body. There are days where I don't love my body, there's days where I don't like my body, but even on those days I can find this gratitude that is still reality, of like. There's times where, like things don't feel great, but I can still find this sense of awe or wonder or presence, or at least acknowledgement and perspective of what feels really good and what doesn't feel good, and sometimes those two things exist on different spectrums. But what if you changed? Not from this? I am a problem to be solved, but, like I'm a human deserving of love and attention and affection, and I want you to notice your breath right now, and even notice the space that your body's taking up, and notice that, like you, breathing oxygen is not robbing anyone else of their own oxygen. Your body taking up space is not taking up the space that anyone else was. So what if, instead of crouching down and playing small, you took up your full capacity?

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So many women are not reaching their full capacity in motherhood or marriage, or just the way you take care of yourself and your health and the way you show up to your life, because you are playing small, so you are living at half capacity, you're shrunk down, you're literally collapsed in on yourself, and so it's not that you can't do these things, it's that you have made yourself so small and little because you feel bad and you're trying to protect yourself, and all of this makes sense, and yet it doesn't work for you anymore. So, just like, stretch out your arms and stretch out your lungs and, like this season, see if you can look around and really taste life, the texture of life. See if you can the texture of life. See if you can feel the magic. See if you can notice the twinkly lights and the smiles on your kids' faces and the music that's playing while you clean the dishes. Like, actually be present to what you're doing, because that changes everything.

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It's like time is going to pass, no matter what. This time is not moving any faster in November and December than it did in June or July or September. Time is still moving the same way. The sun is setting I was about to say the sun is rising and setting the same, but I guess it's not because it's winter. But you know what I mean. Like it's still going around in circles. Allegedly, I don't even know.

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I'm getting a little off track here, but what I'm trying to say is that, like there, we are not in a rush to get anywhere or do anything or be anything, and I love personal growth, I love ambition, and it is so nice that ambition is no longer this weight on my chest or this like constant threat to me of, like you have to get here. It's like here is where I am, let me be here. I mean the ridiculous of it is like it'd be like if you were at Disneyland and the whole time you were at Disneyland you were just trying to think of where you went next. Like the entire time you were on a beach vacation, laying by the beach, the whole time you spent it on your phone planning the next vacation. It's like just be here, be present and, yeah, be grateful, but be grateful in the way that, like you're allowed to be grateful and then still have moments where you're looking at your kids and you're going what the fuck? Like what is happening here. It is okay to be grateful and feel all of the feels of grief and what's lost and what you wanted but you don't have, and to be grateful and present and still hungry and still want something. So, wishing you a lot of gratitude and a hell of a lot of presence in this season and I'll see you next episode.

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