54: [Interview] One For The Sober Curious Girlies

Welcome to the Fill Your Cups Podcast! This one is for the sober curious girls... Sober Curious is a movement exploring your relationship with alcohol and your mindset around it. 

We had the utmost honor of interview OUR big sister, Julia, who has been on her own sober journey since 2019. We go into ways to keep your life exciting and fun without needing alcohol and ways to go into the summer as the most alcohol-confident person you can be!

We hope that you enjoy today's episode! If it speaks to you, please make sure to share it with someone you love!

As always, CHEERS!

Links mentioned:

Forbes article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicoleroberts/2024/01/10/understanding-the-sober-curious-movement/

Julia's Fizz drink packet link:

App mentioned: Sober Time

Transcript

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Welcome to the Fill Your Cubs podcast. We're your host, Morgan and Bailey. Hey guys. Hey. Welcome to today's episode. We are so excited about today's episode because we have special guest. It's our sister, and we talk her all time. So you probably heard her name. A thousand times. She's one of our biggest supporters, like in our life, but also with our podcast. We always know she's gonna be listening. Yes. We always know she's gonna be interacting with our stories. We always know that if we bring up something in person that she's gonna be like, oh yeah, I know what episode you're talking about, blah, blah, blah. And so she'll bring it up too. She'll be like, oh, Morgan, how's this going? And I'm like, oh man. Yeah. Right. Oh crap. We forgot. We told people that. No, but we are so excited to have her and we're gonna be going over a topic today that she beyond her years. So we could have talked about a plethora of things. Yes. But we've, or I've kind of had this sober curious. Topic in mind for a while, and Julia has been sober for a while, so thought it would be a good time to have her on hey. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I feel like echoing your thoughts, Julia could inspire people about any number. Yes. Number of topics. Yes. But I feel like this one is a really, like, I don't know, you've gotten a really good, hold on. Mm-hmm. And so, and that's not common. Yeah. And so I think that it could be really helpful for a lot of people. Yes. And even for people who. Maybe like you said, like sober curious, that idea like, or super curious or just it's been more of a thought in their mind. Mm-hmm. Of like, oh, I wanna cut back, or I want to, you know, whatever. Yeah. So I think that'll be really fun topic, and I'm really excited about it. And one time you told me. Like it's actually crazy to me. I didn't really realize, but Julia's both of our big sisters. Yeah, you said that on a podcast episode. Okay, there you go. Yeah. Isn't that weird? Yeah. Because, because we both have like big and little sisters, I guess young and older, whatever. She's both of our older sisters. Mm-hmm. And so it's fun to have Heather, our Alexis sister on. Yeah. Be good. I'm so happy to be here. And it's funny you say I'm wise beyond my ears'cause I'm. Turning 33 this year, and so I feel like I'm getting up there, but Oh, oh my gosh. Actually, your birthday is like two weeks after this episode's coming out. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Anyway, I, we usually ask what's filling in our cuffs, but we really should ask Julia. Yes. So I Googled what the most. Famous or common Mocktail is, and turns out it's a Shirley Temple. So that's what we went with today. Cheer ladies, which for anyone who doesn't know Shirley Temple is just four parts Ginger ale and one part Grenadine. And ours is kind of like a skinny one, right? Yeah. Or like a healthy girl one. I did ginger Zevia, which is like always talked about on the podcast. Yeah. Oh yeah. We used to make jokes. All jokes that they needed to sponsor us. Yeah. I guys, I'm not joking. I reached out to them. Do you really? Yeah. I love that. Not gotten nervous response. They can say this. No. Yeah. The answer's always no. If you never ask. There you go. I love it. Shirley Temple. And then the Grenadine is an all natural, no high fructose corn syrup, you know? Love it. Pure ingredients. A healthy little drink. I love it. And then we talked it off with a Marino cherry, right? That's right, yeah. It reminds me of like, you know, how people talked about, or like Healthy Girl summer or something like that. Yeah. Or what is it? Yeah. Healthy girl summer or hot girl summer. Mm-hmm. Or whatever. They all, they're all in there. Yeah. This is like a mix of those. And sober girl Summer. Yeah. Hot girl. Summer, sober girl. Summer. I like that. Mixed together. I love it. Well, before we do get too far to the episode, we do have a shout out. We also ask Julia for a shout out. So what's your shout out Say? Yes. This is super fun for me'cause I feel like I don't ever get to shout out my husband Nate, who when I first became kind of sober curious. Didn't really get it. And Yeah. Like why? Yeah. He is like, oh no, I'm losing my drinking buddy. This kind of sucks. Yeah. But like over the years and as I've just communicated, like why, and you know, helped him understand like why I made this decision. He's been really supportive. Mm-hmm. And he's always been like the first to include me and like a cheers or I, you know, he just never makes me feel like I'm not participating. Mm-hmm. And so I just really appreciate him and his support and I'm so grateful for him. I don't feel like you could have. Like committed as hard to it had you not had support from your partner. Yeah. Would've made it worried if he was like constantly bad, like pressuring you or being like, exactly. Just take a drink. Like, yeah. He never pressures me and never makes me feel like I'm missing out. That's so good. And I feel like that's really important because. Not drinking at events. Like even if your, your goal is not to be sober, but you're going to an event where everyone's socially drinking, it feels like kind of pariah to mm-hmm. Not be drinking or someone's going to ask or someone's gonna be like, it's just one drink. Yeah. And so it's nice to have the support from like the one person you really need it from for for sure. He's totally just normalized it. I love it. Mm-hmm. Also, I kind of feel like even if he, if he thought, oh, I'm losing my drinking buddy, like. He has now gained like a designated job. And when he saw the value in that, it was a game changer. Game changer. He was like, wait a second. So if you have someone unsupportive, you just tell them, look, this is how it could be a dd. You don't know how much I could do for both of us. I love it. Well, if you guys have not picked up on it, we are doing an episode today for the Sober Curious Girls. So. When I first kind of got this idea, I did not realize that the term sober curious was like a movement. Mm-hmm. I did not know that. I really just, I think I had seen somebody else had done a podcast episode about this like two years ago and I saw the term sober curious and I really just thought it meant being curious about being sober. Mm-hmm. But I looked it up and there's so many articles out there and I actually found a really good one from Forbes, which I can like link in the bio or whatever. But basically it says the sober curious movement is not just a fleeting trend, it's a shift in the way that people and generations are interacting with and thinking about alcohol use. The movement refers to individuals becoming more mindful to their alcohol consumption without necessarily committing to a complete abstinence. It's about questioning the world of alcohol in one's life and exploring a healthier relationship with drinking. So I really liked that because I don't think that it is going to be in my cards to be sober. Mm-hmm. And I would say probably the same thing for you, Morgan. Like, yeah. There's a reason that Julia's on as the expert. Yeah. Yes. And like we've had, we have mocktails on or cocktails on here all the time. We're like literally having our one year party at a bar. So it's not like what They have spirit optional drinks. They do, they do. I have actually found, so I am sober, not by choice, but fine, because I have to, because I'm pregnant, which. It has actually been so much easier than I thought it was gonna be. Oh, good. And I feel like I was like, no, this is a really cool time to do a sober episode then. But I really wanted to do this idea and I knew that Julia was a great. Resource on this. Mm-hmm. And yeah, so the first time I heard the term sober curious, I, I do feel like it kind of lit something under me that made me rethink my relationship with alcohol or just made me think about it differently of like. Do I need to have a drink every time I go somewhere? When I am having a drink? Why can't I have just one? Why does it have to be three or four? Why do I feel like I need a cocktail in order to open up with people? Like it was kind of things like that. Or like, why do I feel like after a hard day I need a glass of wine? Which none of those are problems. Mm-hmm. But actually feeling like you need to have a drink that's a problem, and not being able to stop at one is a problem. And I do have that problem. But all that to say. I'm really excited for this episode. Yeah. Well, and I also think that part of why it's come to mind, especially now, is we do have a lot of friends that are sober because they're pregnant. Mm-hmm. Right now. Mm-hmm. But we also have friends, like we've talked about this with our book club. Mm-hmm. Girlfriends that they're, we also have a lot of friends that are just like not into it. We are getting to an age where I'm like, honestly, I just need a break and like it sometimes it feels like with all of the social obligations that we have and whatnot, that it's not okay or cool to take a break or it's not okay to like just drink. Something non-alcoholic or whatever. Yes. And so it's a good time for us, and I don't know how old our listeners are, but I'm guessing they're probably around our age. Around our age range. They're probably going through similar things. Yeah. So it's good to, especially going into summer. Mm-hmm. That's why I really wanted to talk about it too, especially now because. I feel, I think of summer and I think of rooftop bars. Mm-hmm. I think of summer and I think, I wanna go to a happy hour. I wanna get drunk at the pool. Yeah. Like, and so I'm like, how can we kind of rewrite that? Or what does it look like if we did? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well I think that's the, oh, super long intro of the way, or a super long way to say that. We're talking about being so curious today, and we've got Julia on here today and we're just gonna kind ask you some questions and just. Pick your brain about a lot of things. So I wanna start with first why you chose to become sober. Mm-hmm. Great question. I don't think I even knew why for the longest time. Mm-hmm. But, and my why has changed over the years. Like it started one way and then like it has compounded and grown since, but it really, if I went back to 2019, that's when I first became sober. Curious. Ah. And I didn't know that that was a term then, but that's what it was. And just, it was on my mind a lot and. It was just a transformative time in my life where I started to really prioritize self care. Mm-hmm. And I was having my like, spiritual transformation and like, I was really thinking a lot about, um, just taking care of myself better and being better version of myself. Yeah. And so during that year. Um, there were times that I would drink and drink too much, and the next day I would have regrets and spend some time. Oh, the anxiety's crazy. Yes. And because I was so into self-care, I was really into journaling and meditating and like doing reflections and things like that, and I started just putting two and two together that like drinking was not good for me. Yeah. And it wasn't like the opposite of self care for me. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So that's when I was talking with a friend and I was like, I think I just want to. Maybe make a New Year's resolution to not drink for like a whole year. Uh, just to see if I can and just to see how it feels and see. Yeah, I remember that. Me too. I was like, let's see if I have less of these moments of like regret and anxiety and like why did I do this and that kind of thing. So that friend, my friend Taylor, shout out Taylor. She was like, I'll do it with you. And I was like, okay, let's do it. Wow. Yeah, so the both of us, it was like a couple days before New Year's. Like, okay, we're just gonna, we're gonna do it. It's gonna be an alcohol free years uhhuh. So that's when I made the decision. And then like when New Year's came around in 2021, I was like, I think I'm just gonna renew it. It's just gonna be like one up, you know, one more year. And then it, so it wasn't really a like forever decision for the longest time. It was just kind of see where, see where it goes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh, I like that. Now do you feel like it is something that like you're kind of claiming or are you still like, we'll just see where it goes? No, I'm at the point now where I don't really need to bring it back into my life. Mm-hmm. And I have, there's no purpose. No. Yeah. And I've had times where I've been like, you know what? I think I can have a drink here and there, and then like it does go a little too far. And I have those moments again of like, that really wasn't my best self, or I just had the worst hangover ever. Oh my gosh. Not treating my body well. You know? Yeah. You also get really. Bad hangovers. You do. I do not miss those. I feel that at all. I feel that. So yeah. Now I'm just like, yep. I will proudly admit that I'm a sober girl. Yay. I love it. I like that a lot. And I feel like I'm always so. I feel like I'm always like asking you questions about it and all those things. So, I mean, another reason I really wanna do on this episode,'cause I was like, I know I ask you all the time Yeah. About things like this, but I also feel like it's a good example of like what we've talked about with the gift of going second of Yeah. Like even though it's, it can feel like bold, risky, or kind of like, oh, I'm the odd man out or whatever, like making the choice to be sober. I feel like you doing that. Yeah. I've even seen it like open up conversations with other people. Yeah. Where it, it, it gives people the opportunity to not feel like weird or not feel, you know, like you, that's why be vulnerable. Someone has to go first and like you're doing that job mm-hmm. For people and like letting people go second. Yeah. And a lot of times those conversations are happening over like a glass of wine amount of times. I've asked you before while being drunk. It's so funny where I'm like, Julia. I really feel like I should like explore why I need drinks or mm-hmm. How did you do it and things like that. Yeah. But that does lead me to my next question is what was the hardest part about the beginning of your process? Well, kind of going back to what I was saying about Nate, like, he was like not really understanding fully what, and I wasn't even fully understanding at the time too. Yeah. I was still figuring out myself. And so definitely just like helping him understand why this was important and how he could support me and like. Having to set some boundaries and having to communicate, like he would poke fun sometimes. I'd be like, actually, that kind of hurts my feelings. Yeah. And like, oh, oh, I'm sorry. Communication. We love it. Yeah, pretty much. But yeah, like I said in my shout out, once he got on board, it became so much easier. And once he learned like that, we can still go out and we can still have a great time, and we're buddies and now you just don't have to worry about how we're gonna get home. Yeah. Yeah. No kidding. I love that. Mm-hmm. Yes. Well, if there is anyone struggling. Out there, like with staying sober or struggling to even make the leap, do you have any big advice or any one tip that you feel like you would share with people? Yeah, I would definitely say like kind of pinpointing your why and being able to communicate that with somebody who's, maybe someone who's pressuring you without realizing that this is actually really important to you. Maybe they're jokingly, but you know, you're feeling some type of way about it. Mm-hmm. But being able to clearly communicate like. Like, this is why I'm doing this, and this is how you can support me. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think that that's really kind of standing behind it. Exactly. I like, and just don't be scared to vocalize your needs, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I do feel like I always say this as like, I don't know if this is how society is growing or if it's just our age group is growing, but I do think that. It has become more okay to just tell people like, oh, actually, I, I don't do that. Or actually I do this. Mm-hmm. And a lot of people are more accepting of it. So yeah. I don't know if that's more of a societal thing or more of like an age group thing, but do you feel like that's accurate or do you still feel like you get pressured a lot? Um, I don't get pressured as much. Usually when I tell somebody, oh, I just, I'm not drinking right now. They're like, oh, okay, that's cool and we'll move on. Yay. Like, I feel like I overanalyzed for the longest time and I would like try to act like I was drinking even though I wasn't uhhuh, which is silly, like,'cause people don't really care that much Uhhuh as much as I thought they did. Mm-hmm. But it was a huge change for you. Mm-hmm. So you are thinking, this is so big to me, it's going to be this big to everybody else and, yeah. Like those things. It's not, it's no different than saying, I don't eat dairy, so I am a different option. Yeah. You know? True. Yes. That's actually really true. Some people are more weird about not eating dairy than not drinking out. They're like, why? How do we live without machine? Yeah, seriously. Yeah. And I do feel like our generation is a little bit more tolerant or accepting of certain things like that. Yeah. So it's not as big of a deal. But the funny thing is that no matter what, like when you were saying, yeah, I usually just say that and people move on, like I always go back to when I first realized that. People are thinking about themselves way more than they're thinking about me, Uhhuh and just in general, like if you think about how much you are dwelling on, oh, did I wear the right outfit to this place? Or, oh, did I, is my hair good? Or like, like just like random things like that or, oh, or even thinking about like your partner and thinking like, what are they thinking of my partner and stuff? Yeah. Like the other people are thinking about themselves and their circumstances just as much. So whenever you say like, oh yeah, I'm not drinking today, like it is in and outta their brain so fast. Mm-hmm. And they're probably already thinking about like, whatever they're gonna drink next, or, oh, did I order the wrong drink? Or, oh, what, what about like this? You know, like, they're just not even thinking about us. So, yeah. So it's just one of those things where like we overanalyze it way more than we need to. Mm-hmm. So I'm glad that you feel like now it's like not a big deal. Yeah. And more often than not, if they do ask further questions, it's because they're genuinely just curious. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, it's the gift of going second. You're giving them that gift. Yeah. I love it. Well, those were kind, I just wanted to get into the basics of why and how and stuff. But now let's get onto the really fun part of It's Becoming Summer, and I wanna know how you're embracing your sobriety. With the summer.'cause I feel like that's so hard. Oh yeah. And I'm really curious to hear all about it, but, oh, go ahead. I was gonna say, before we transition, I do want to be honest that initially Bailey was like, oh, I wanna do like a sober curious episode. And we're due for like a bit of fun episode. I was like, I wanna keep it light. Yeah. Which I always forget that our interview episodes we actually don't categorize because, but I was like, I was like, I don't really know if this is a bit of fun episode.'cause I feel like you and I have talked before and you're like. A lot of the worst moments of my life have been when like I was drinking. And that's just like one of the things that made me realize like, I don't need this. Mm-hmm. And I was like, I don't know. Like if I get really deep and really crazy. Yeah. And then, uh, which would be totally fine. We love, we could go there, we love, let's get deep episodes, Uhhuh. But, and then I was like, or I could see it being like a how to episode where it's like, oh, here are your tips for how to do it, whatever. But then Bailey was like, no, I definitely think it could be like a light bit of fun episode. And I was like, okay, you show me how. And so at which I, after like reading through our outline of seeing like we're gonna be talking about fun ways to, like ways that you can still have fun while being sober, ways that you can still have fun about incorporating drinking and like Yeah. Honestly. Helping you. Like you're going through something. Yeah. Sober. So like, and I'm like man, giving you some tips for things that you can do and ways that you can have fun still. And so I'm really excited about it.'cause I didn't know what to expect. Yeah. And then now I'm like, Ooh, fun energy. Like I know. It doesn't have to be like when we're talking about drinking and sobriety and stuff, it doesn't have to be like intense. Yes. That's what I wanted this episode to be about is I didn't want it to feel like such a weight. And such, like a, oh, I'm sober. Like it's a monotone, and so like, oh, I'm thinking about being sober. Like I wanted it to be something that's to be celebrated and something that's like wherever you are in your life, if, if this is something you're thinking about, here you go. Yeah. It's like some, yeah. Sober girl summer. Yes. Although you, sober curious is not about committing to being sober, it's just about mm-hmm. Exploring, looking at, yeah. Exploring your relationship with alcohol and what it means to you and what it does for you and. All that, so yes. Yeah. Well let's get into the fun part. So you and Nate, you guys have so many date nights. You guys are always out doing something crazy and like you guys even just had a staycation. And those are normally gonna be centered around alcohol. A lot of couples like my, my couple included. Yeah. So I wanted to ask you, what are some fun date night activities or things that you guys do together that don't involve alcohol or that don't make you mm-hmm. Have to have a drink because he still drinks and Oh, yeah. All the time. Yeah. And so, yeah. Love to hear. So Nate is a big craft brew guy. Mm-hmm. Like he loves trying different beers and he actually like, just genuinely enjoys tasting them and smelling them. And he'll even like, pass me the drink and be like, what are you, what are you getting on this? What hints coffee in it? Um, so like, and I, it doesn't bother me when he has a drink. Yeah. Like, it really doesn't, especially'cause I have never even liked a beer in the first place. Mm-hmm. Yeah, please. That's all. You kind of works perfectly, but that's his like alcohol of choice. Yeah. It never was mine. So if it was champagne, it'd be different. I'd be like, we can't divorce. I'm gonna have the choice. Yeah. But no. So like, I'm totally fine with going to a bar or a brewery and hanging out, but my theme, like, one of the boundaries I've set is like. I'm not gonna go to a bar and just sit there and yes, just drink and you know, watch you, like if we're going to a bar, it has to have some kind of live music or activity. Like there has to be a trivia going on. Or a bingo or karaoke. Yes. Which my first time doing karaoke without alcohol was. Like really hard. Oh my God, really? I not to do that before, like coming out soon. I'm like, eh, hope it's okay. Most people are like, oh, we're about to, it's almost my turn. Let's go take a shot. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Um, but so, and that's some somewhere I feel like I've really grown personally is like I can be more comfortable in myself without needing alcohol. Yeah.'cause I've pushed past that. Um, so like, I love when a place is doing karaoke or, um, anytime that we can be outside. Side. Like if we can be on a patio and there's live music, then like I'm the happiest camper out there. Yeah. You know, and I've got my Shirley Temple or you know, my club soda or whatever, and I'm feeling great. Yes. So like our date nights for me have to have some kind of fun activity. I love a good mini golf or we've done acts throwing, which is super fun. So cool. Yeah. It's just so funny that. That's something that a lot of people do while drinking. I'm like, oh my God, an ax throwing up. I've never thought about that. That's crazy. I think I just have a lot of anxiety. Yeah. And so I'm like, wait, what? People are like really drunk when they're throwing axess. Yeah. It's actually really safe. Like they, you know, the people who run those places are making sure everyone's safe. That's good. So that's for sure. Yeah. As long as there's something that we can do, then I'm, I'm totally happy. Like the activity is not. Exactly, which is really good.'cause that is typically the activity. Mm-hmm. Like we're gonna go out to a happy hour, we're sitting at a table and drinking. Yeah. That's what we're doing. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I also feel like a lot of the places that I go anymore, or, I mean, I assume that you go, um, have non-alcoholic options. Like you can get the club soda, you can get the Shirley Temple, but you also, they might have a non-alcoholic quirk or they might have a non-alcoholic white claw or something. Yeah. That's really nice. I feel like they're making more na drinks. Yeah, it's definitely catching on. Yeah, like Julia, you just brought in a white claws to the Royals game we went to and I loved'em. Oh god. That was the best tailgating experience I've ever had. I loved it. I loved it. And you remembered every second. Exactly. I sure did. And went home feeling great. I know you had some date night ideas like listed out. What are some of your favorite ones? So, my absolute favorite, especially when it's nice outside. Um, we love to go downtown or anywhere where you see those bird scooters. Yeah. See, this is what I meant earlier when I said, you guys do crazy things. Yeah. We love to like scan the little code, hop on a scooter and then like just go. We literally don't even have a destination in mind. Like we just go until we see somewhere that like. Like if we hear music coming from us a place or we see like lights somewhere, like a lot of places have twinkly lights, you know? Yeah. What's happening over there? Let's go check it out. Oh, and we're getting to the point where we've kind of explored most of Kansas City, so we, we kind of know like where to go, where not to go, but we ideally would be in a new district, like finding a new place. Yeah. Um, so started calling these our sip and scoop nights because, we'll, I love that. We'll go to one place and like Nate will get a drink and I'll get a club soda or an alcoholic quirk, and. We'll, like look around. How's the decor? What's the ambiance like? Are there people next to us that we can talk to? Or like a little, sometimes places have a little board game on the table you can play. Yeah. So the activity there is discovering. Just experiencing it. Yeah. Discovering is the activity. I love that. And so then once he has his dream and we're good, we pay and then we hop on our scooters and go to the next place. So it's just a fun time. Sometimes hip and scoot. And I'm like, as the longer we can be on the scooters in between places, like the happier I am. I'm like, let's go from um, power and light down to crossroads. Like that's a good little distance. Yeah. You know, that kind of thing. Quite So. I love our sip and scoot nights. I also love anytime we can catch like a free show. Yeah. Like a lot of places have. Free outdoor movie nights in the summer. Oh yeah. Okay. Uh, colonial, just so you know, colonial Gardens, I don't know if you've seen that one, but Shaylyn and I just went, they have free every, almost every Wednesday free live music. That's awesome. And you can get, you can order food and drinks if you want, but you don't have to. It is literally just a free show and then you're just surrounded by a beautiful plant. So it is gorgeous. It, we were in there and we're like, whoa. That's so my vibe. I love it. I love it. And then I also love, like, um, arcade bars. Oh yes, you do. Yes, I love, or those are fun. Mm-hmm. There's a place in North Kansas City called Rewind Video and Dive. Yes. And it's like a. Basement and this has like squashy couches and coffee table. I wanna go there so bad since you guys talked about it. Girl, I have to go and like, especially if you're like in your thirties, like me and you grew up playing like Super Nintendo Game Cube and they have all of those old video game systems hooked up to the TVs already. So all you have to do is like pick out a game and then they do make you turn in your ID at the bar so no one can just like walk off with like a game or controller. Oh, great collateral. Yeah, exactly. And then you can get your controllers in your game and you can go play. Yes. That's Nowadays with like a pool hall or pickleball, you always have to turn in your id. Exactly, yeah. And I do also love going to the pool and hanging out. Like I will bring my own white claws or non-alcoholic quirks. Um, and Nate and I have a great time playing the pool together. Like, we're like little kids. We're like doing handstands and breathing contests underwater and stuff like that. I love that. Yeah. Another summer we got season passes to Worlds of Fun and we were literally there like every day. You were there, you were every weekend. It was so fun. Especially'cause we like splurged for the fast pass too. Nice. So we weren't gonna just get on and off any ride we wanted. I remember anytime I would see Nate that that summer. Was it just last summer or the summer before? It was like three years ago now. Okay. Well, anytime I would see Nate that summer, I would be like, what are you guys gonna do this weekend? He's like, well, I'm really trying to go to Worlds of Fun because we have passes. And I was like, he was like, I'm really trying to be there as much as I can. Yeah. Well we even had the dining pass too, so we could, yes. We could go get two free meals every time as long as there was a four hour period in between. Oh my God. That's crazy. Yeah. That's really nice. Do you ever make the joke of like, oh, we can spend more money on something like Fast Pass because I'm not drinking it. So we're saving money though. I've been using that one. I'm like, is a joke, but I'm serious. I'm like our dinners. 20 bucks cheaper'cause I'm not drinking. Yeah, you do save a lot of money when you work on the cocktail. Uh, so instead I'm like, we could get an app Mason, get another drink. Get a dessert. Yeah. Get a dessert. I'm like, we're saving money because I'm not drinking, so we might as well use it somewhere else. And when we're there, Nate will get like a beer or two, you know? But it's like, that's not the reason we're there. Yeah. We're there for the experience and for the rides and for the fun. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So those are some of my favorite summer. Date nights. I really like those. Yeah, I really like all those date nights. That's super fun. Or date days, you know. Oh yeah. If you wanna make just the whole day out of it. I feel like you've also found some local things, like discovered some local Casey things that have come up since you've been, I guess, sober curious journey. Mm-hmm. Or whatever, and have kind of just come up because they're like those different activities like you were talking about. Mm-hmm. I know you have a few of those. Do you wanna share some of those? Fun things that you guys have discovered?'cause some of them have become regular. Yeah. So on one of our sip and scoots, it just happened to be during first Fridays down in the crossroads. Oh. And that's when we discovered that that's a thing. Yeah. And that they do it. I've never been every summer month. Oh really? Uhuh. It's fun. I think they start in May. Um, so I think the first one has happened already. Yeah. So there will be one this Friday, which date night? We don't have our date night planned for Friday. So maybe we'll go do that. Um, but yeah, first Fridays is basically just, there's lots of vendors on the streets and, um, live music, people are out having fun. It's just a good atmosphere, good vibe. Mm-hmm. Usually like local makers and stuff too. Mm-hmm. Fun. It's like a festival. Yeah. But like small. It's very small. Yeah. Yeah. You might like see like a fire dancer or something crazy like that. Yeah. And it's good for people watching too. Very good. It's totally an activity. So that's a fun summer like thing that we discovered. And then, um. One day I was on Facebook and I was trying to find an event because we didn't have any plans for our date night that Friday Uhhuh. I said, man, what are we gonna do tonight? Like done this, we've done that. I don't really feel like doing this again. Mm-hmm. So I got on Facebook to look at local events that were happening, and I saw September shanty night. This was last year. And I was like, what is this? So I clicked on it and it was like, this is a free event. Bring your friends, bring your family. Come sit and sing sea shanties with us. Oh yeah. And have a great time. And there was like, I don't know, 75 people maybe interested my God going. And I was like, okay, this might be a legit thing. And it was at the Delaware in Independence, Uhhuh, which is like eight minutes from our house. So Nice. Yeah. And it was literally happening in like 10 minutes. I was like, babe, let's go to this. So he was like totally down to just go check it out. You guys are so spontaneous. You are. He that about you guys ask do they have beer there? Like they do. Um,'cause they have, uh, vendors from different breweries come. Oh, cool. Yeah. So I think it was Rochester Brewery that was there for that experience. Yeah. So, yeah, we walk in and there's just a ton of people sitting at these big long tables and they were already like singing their shanties. And it's basically just a bunch of guys who like singing sea shanties uhhuh, which if no one's ever heard of sea shanty, it's like, what would you do with a drunken say? I definitely had not heard of that kind of thing describing things. I was like, what is a shanty? Well, and I love to sing like I was a choir kid and like you guys know, we would grow up and harmonize with each other on music. Yeah. And. Um, so they have guys who teach you the different parts. Like they'll say, okay, this is what the alto part's gonna sound like. Oh, oh my gosh. And this is what the base part is gonna sound like. And if you wanna just sing the melody, this is what you can do. And then they put it all together and then everyone in the room is just singing together. Oh my gosh. During choir. And it's so fun. That is so natal. Order a beer and I'll order a coffee or a tea, or I'll just sip some water and then I'll have the best. Time. So that's another thing I found just so fun. I have really wanted to join you guys for one of these shanty nights. Oh, you probably should. I just love things that, are everyone having fun together? Yes. Like, but I also like, whenever you don't have to, you know, talk with everybody else.'cause I'm like, well I don't wanna like be. Stuck with somebody that I don't wanna be stuck with kind of thing. But I love when every, when I can just tell everyone's having such a good time together. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I, yeah, I just need to join you guys for one of these things. Well, and it's nice'cause they do it every month and, Aw, next one. Will you invite us? Yes, absolutely. It's just nice to have one date night planned a month. That we don't have to think about. Yeah. We just know that's where we're gonna be. Yeah. And it's become one of your guys' favorites. You guys go to like every single one, right? Yes. Oh, it's so fun. Super fun. And you just randomly found it on Facebook. That's like my favorite part, but So you gotta be careful with that though.'cause last week I was looking for a Facebook event. And I saw Jamaican Jam Friday, Lee Summit, and I was like, babe, let's go do this Uhhuh. And so we went and I didn't look at the date correctly. It's like not until July. No. So we got to downtown Lee Summit and he was like, so where is this music happening? And I was like, it's supposed to just be like right here. And he was like, there's no music. So we ended up just doing a little bar crawl that night and it was, there you go. Yep. Yep. And I just was along for the ride. He was like, since you messed up, you're doing what I want to do tonight. Oh, oh my God. That's funny. We had a great time. We ended up at Lou Wells where they had live music. I love Lou. Well, so I was happy, but mm-hmm. I love it. That sounds so fun. And I know that you, one of the things that you mentioned too, that you wanted to talk about with the Nature Walk. We love going on nature walks. So anytime we can't, for whatever reason, do a Friday night, date night'cause that's kind of our set that we've like planned. Anytime we can't do that, we'll do a Saturday afternoon date. And I kind of love those'cause they're generally a little slower. Yeah. And a little more, um, adventurous because. We've gotta go find things in the daylight to do. Mm-hmm. And so George Owens Nature Park, or Bur Oak, woods Nature Park, or, um, we were recently at Legacy Park in Lee Summit anywhere with a nice little walking path. We like to go, just be outside together. And I think that that's some, sometimes my favorite. Yeah. Yeah. And a slow day, we play Bailey's. Word game or like 3, 2, 1 word game. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Quick pause to tell our listeners what that game is. If you don't know, it's where you go, 3, 2, 1, and you say a word and then both of you say a word at the same time. Mm-hmm. And then you, if it's not the same word, which it probably won't be on the first try. Yeah. The goal is to get to the same word. Yes. Then you say 3, 2, 1 again, and you try to find a word that's similar in between it. So yes, it's a fun game. It is a fun game. I remember telling Julia about them'cause. I don't remember what we were talking about, but it was some, something about like, yeah, at some point you just spend so much time with your partner, like what are you guys gonna talk about? Kinda thing. Like, what are we supposed to talk about on this date night that's happening again? And I was like. That's not something that you had said, but it's something that we had been talking about and I was like, oh my gosh, Mason And I just play games like mm-hmm. When we run out things to talk about, we'll just play game. And that was one of the games that I told you about and I love that you guys play that.'cause we play it all the time. Sometimes I'll make him play it with me in between like commercial breaks for Yes. Like. Football or baseball games I like Okay, my time. That is so funny. No, I love that. Yeah. I can just be like, okay, think of a word. Yeah. And then he knows, he's like, okay, this is what we're doing. I also am not gonna lie, I have taboo on my phone and anytime there's like a lull and I'm like, okay, let's get in touch with, you guys are great about breaking that out if there's like a lull even with like a group or something. Mm-hmm. I love breaking out. Um, like a head heads up. Yes. Or um, like a catch phrase kind of thing. Mm-hmm. I love breaking those ones out. Yes. And sometimes if there are people around us. They'll like join in. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Which totally throws us off. And then I'm like, uh, anyway. That clue wasn't for you. Only he would know it. I love that. Well, you have so many activities that you shared, and I feel like the activities are a really good way of like emphasizing that hanging out, like. Hanging out date nights, summertime activities like does not have to be about drinking at all. Yeah, yeah. But I do also know that you are able to find like mocktail recipes and things like that where like if you really are like, I really do want something fun to sip on, or I really want something like that, that you have found something like that. So what are some of your favorite mocktail? Like go-to recipes. So a lot of places will have a little corner on their drink menu now just for mocktails. I love that. Yes. So like chicken and pickle I know has a little mocktail menu and so a lot of times I'll just look at whatever they have and see what sounds good. Yeah, Uhhuh. So, but the thing with that is like, they do kind of charge almost the same. It's just they do mock something like that and usually they use a lot of different like syrups and things and you know, sometimes it's a little sugary or just doesn't sit that well on my tummy. There was one night. Where like at every place we scooted to, I had the bartender make me a surprise. Mocktail. Uhhuh. And like by the end of the night I was not feeling good because I had so many different variations. So sugars. Yeah. Yeah. They do a lot of like juices and like pineapple juice and like Yeah. A lot of syrup, Sprite. Yeah. To make it exciting and to make it pretty and to make it taste good. Mm-hmm. Um, so I've learned that if I'm gonna do that, I just have one. And then after the initial. Syrupy sugary, pretty mocktail. Then I can just switch to club soda with a lemon and a lime and it still looks like a cocktail. Yeah. I still get, you know, a little garnish and a straw. Yeah. And I'm totally fine with that. I do water with lemon all the time for sure. And I'm like, I feel fancy. I feel like I'm having a drink. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Or I always have a fizz in my purse. You do? And so, and on Friday nights, I don't care if I have a little bit of caffeine because it's Friday. It's Friday. Yeah. And if I'm gonna be on some kind of level, then that's more fun. So I'll allow myself a little caffeine buzz, busy caffeine buzz. Yeah. What's your favorite flavor? Oh my gosh, how could I even choose? But I think mango peach. Really? Yeah. I think that's my favorite to just have by itself. It just packs a little bit of a punch. Yeah, it's pretty good. I'll link it in the thing. I actually think that I really like the pomegranate pomegranate or the sweet citrus pomegranates. A big crowd pleaser. And I thought about bringing some to put in our Shirley Temples. I have some because it's, we want, if we want our refill during dinner. Yeah. No, after five Sunday. Oh, true, true, true. But I also love any place that does have the non-alcoholic corks or white claws. A lot of times I'll get one of those. Those are, they're just fun to have as an option. Mm-hmm. If I'm at home and I'm gonna make myself a little too, oh yeah. I really love the fray. Is that how you say it? The, I don't know, the FRE alcohol removed champagne. I have some actually. It's so good because you can put a little orange juice in there, uhhuh, and you feel like you're drinking a mimosa and it bubbles the same. It does, yeah. It tastes, I, it's very close to champagne. It is very close. I can trick myself into thinking I'm having a mimosa uhhuh. Yeah. Which is was always my drink of choice really. Just champagne in general was what I would, what I would go to. So anytime I can do that, and that's a really fun one to break out if you like. Are in a group setting and you have some friends together. Yeah. And you can, they can have regular champagne, you can have your alcohol removed. Champagne. Everyone's sharing the orange juice or the apple juice. You know, you can have a little bar. That's nice. Mm-hmm. That is really nice. If I'm at home, that's my favorite one, but most places I don't think are just gonna have alcohol removed. Champagne. Yeah. Probably not. I wonder if they would though, if they, it's not something that like high end bars would start carrying or something. If you start asking, do you have any alcohol removed? Champagne, yeah. You're gonna be, oh, we're gonna need to, we're gonna do stock up for you. Right. That's funny. Well, on that note, I'm curious, so I feel like sometimes people talk about. Mocktails being like pretend drinking. Mm-hmm. Because I mean, it kind of is, but like I'm curious for your cha, like non-alcoholic champagne and orange juice, like that was your drink of choice. Mm-hmm. So what do you do when you find yourself. Like having the itch for a drink. Mm-hmm. Or like, do you have any distractions that you kind of put into place or anything like that? That's a really good question and I don't find myself triggered as often now. Okay. As I've used to in the past. So there is hope if you're going through that right now and being triggered frequently, Uhhuh, it does become, I feel like the more that you. Enter into a new situation that you normally would've had alcohol in in the past. Mm-hmm. Every time you do that, it becomes more normal. It's like exposure therapy. Exactly. Yeah. So like we were in LA and Morgan ordered a glass of champagne and I was at the table and they brought a turn and I was like, oh my gosh. Like that's so good. Yes. And it was like had hit me just that I really wanted some and I like that. Doesn't happen to me very often. But I didn't necessarily feel like I needed to distract myself. I felt like I needed to just acknowledge it and just say it out loud. There you go. Yeah, and then just move on. I'm like, I think I was like, wow. That's really triggering me right now. And you felt bad and I felt bad making you feel bad. I know, but you were like, you were like, oh my God, I'm actually so jealous. Yeah. And I was like, oh my God. Really? Like I didn't even think about that Uhhuh. And like I didn't want you to feel bad. I just needed to say it out loud like I needed, because if I didn't say it out loud, then it would've just been rattling around in my mind. Yes. And all you would've been thinking about is, I want that. That looks good. Wow. I really wish I could taste that. But once you said it out loud, you're like. Okay. Yeah. And then I felt okay to just move on. Uhhuh. Yeah. I think at that dinner too,'cause I was early on being pregnant and Chloe is 17 so she doesn't drink and Jordan doesn't drink. So we had gotten all of our regular drinks and asked for nice glasses. Oh yeah. Can you go to like a fancy cocktail glass though? They were so accommodating too. That's another thing that like even if a place doesn't have necessarily a fun non-alcoholic option, like Chicken and Pickle has like all the fun cocktails. Like most places now are very accommodating. If you're like, and can I get that in a wine glass or can I get, can I get that in like a fun glass or whatever? I know. When we went to, I went to a work Happy Hour at Boulevard, which they have multiple non-alcoholic courts that's at Boulevard. Wait, really? Yes. Just super fruit? No, no, no. They had multiple NA ones and I did not know that I would just get water. What a. Yeah. That's crazy. Well think so I was there with Courtney and Shalyn who are also pregnant. Mm-hmm. And uh, and they also had multiple non-alcoholic beers. And so they poured, I got Courtney and Shalyn both. I don't know why, but I have always feel like I need to buy people drinks. But I got them both like a non, I got Courtney, a non-alcoholic quirk and shalyn non-alcoholic beer.'cause she's more of a beer drinker. Mm-hmm. And they put Courtney's quirk in a wine glass and shalynn's. A style called here in like Aout. Yeah. Or a Stein or whatever that's called. And, and so it was, it was really, really fun. And like I feel like a lot of places are very accommodating with that. Absolutely. And I, there is something about just having the fun glass and being able to participate in Cheers. Yeah. You don't feel like there's anything weird. It's like, again, we're just normalizing it. Mm-hmm. Because there's nothing weird about it really. Exactly. And then if I am feeling like I'm really depriving myself right now, then I'll just let myself have something else. Like, I typically don't eat gluten or dairy, but like sometimes I'll go, you know what? I'll have a cupcake come Yay. Yes. Just'cause if I feel like I've been too restrictive, then it does sort of put me into that more negative mindset. Oh yeah. So I'm like. You know, I'll allow myself this little indulgence here, and then I'm not so upset about not indulging here. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. And like the mind, like what you're saying about it tumbling around in your mind, like you're not as focused on that. Mm-hmm. Like you mm-hmm. You're no longer focused on the fact that you're not having alcohol. Instead, you're focused on the fact that like, ooh, this is a yummy little sweet treat. Yeah, exactly. Because I think that that's where. When it comes to like food or drinks. Either way, when you like get to the binge point mm-hmm. It is because in your head you're just like so consumed with like what you're not having. Mm-hmm. And it's like, let's focus on what you are having. Yeah. And what you can have and what you do, what you are able to enjoy instead of like, I can't enjoy this, I can't enjoy this, I can't enjoy this. And then you like turn and now it's like, I'm gonna enjoy all of this, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Which is a slippery slope. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. Well, I love that though. That is very smart. I like that you're like, it's not necessarily that I distract myself, I just like refocus. Mm-hmm. But one of the last things that we were gonna ask you about is like, are there resources, outside resources that have been helpful to you as you've like gone through the journey of exploring your sobriety and whatnot, and like other things that you would recommend? Well, I definitely think having some kind of accountability, whether it. A friend or a partner. Mm-hmm. For me, I actually do go to a recovery group every Monday night and Really? Mm-hmm. I did not know that you were, did that every Monday night. Every Monday night, unless. There's some kind of crazy thing, but if that's free indeed. Free indeed. Yeah. Which is a faith-based recovery group and I've never thought of myself as like a really bad alcoholic or anything like that. Yeah. It was never a, a severe problem. Yeah. But the fact that I have a group of people who I can talk about it with openly and say, I was at this event and I had this thought, and they can like help me work through that and process it. And then just knowing that like. If I do decide to drink, I'm gonna go in and tell'em about it. Yeah. And do I want to experience those feelings that come along with it? Yeah. And so it's just a, like has held me accountable and. Makes me feel like I have the support that I need. Yeah. So definitely getting some kind of accountability, whether it's a group, I really like that.'cause it doesn't have to be an AA meeting or like mm-hmm. A rehab kind of thing. You found an account accountability group with recovery. Yeah. And I think that's really cool'cause it sounds so scary, but you're showing that like you don't have to, you don't have to have gone through something that ruined your life. Mm-hmm. In order to get to a point where you're like, I don't really think alcohol's for me. More. Yeah, really. I went to this group when I was still not even committed to being sober. Really? Yeah. I was just checking it out and just curious. And that was part of what kind of made me feel like I could, because I heard all of these testimonies from people who have been doing it for 18 years and have been living their best life and you know, have thriving social lives and lots of friends, can I ask how you found that group? Just, uh, I think a pamphlet like in the hallway at church. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, and it mulled over in my head for a while, while I was still, you know, on the fence about even exploring that, but mm-hmm. That was a big one for me as far as resources go. Yeah. And then I do have a tracker on my phone. I have an app called Sober Time. Ooh. You know, I love a tracker. Sure do. Yeah. Yep. So whenever I had to reset for a certain incident, I had to go into my tracker and reset it Uhhuh, which I was like, eh, it kind of sucks. But I haven't lost my growth or my progress. It's just, it's really just a date. Mm-hmm. But it does help to like have that visual. Yeah. And to look at it and be like, oh my gosh, no, I've gotten it to two years. That's crazy. Ah, that's so cool. Do you know if this app lets you share that with a friend? Oh yeah. Mm-hmm. Really? I have a friend of mine who has kind of battle, who's kind of been going back and forth between like sobriety and I've been like, I'm sure there's a tracker out there somewhere where you could share it with me and we could like be in it together kind of thing. Mm-hmm. Or I could help you stay accountable, or it doesn't have to be something where you text me and say like. I'm really thinking about it. Or like I drink today. Yeah. I was like, I wonder if sometimes an app would help. So what's that app called? Sober Time. Sober Time, yep. It's pretty simple. Yeah. Aw, how cool. And it, it truly is just like a tracks the days you've been sober. Yeah. It's kind of like a little stopwatch kind thing. Yeah. I love those. And it'll tell you, it'll tell you in seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, hours. Yeah. Which is always kind of fun. Well, I think that kind of wraps up all the like questions that we had. Is there anything else that you wanted to talk about or, well, I just wanna thank both of you guys for being so supportive and just always making sure that there's, like Morgan, you've always brought. Alcohol removed wine or champagne or something like that for us when you know that we're gonna be attending and can't drink. And, um, just thank you for including me and not letting me, um, ever feel left out. Aw, of. Well, thank you for giving us the opportunity of going second. I know that you have inspired me in a lot of ways and that I'm always looking at you like. Like if I ever do decide that it's something I want to do or need to do for myself, I can do it because my big sister did it. Yeah. And like I do feel really inspired by you all the time. I love that. Oh, me too. For sure. I love that you said. The thing about having the options too though, because I like for Mother's Day, I brought margaritas and then I bought, I got the like non-alcoholic tequila so that I could make non-alcoholic margaritas too. Yep. And Lindsay from our book club responded and was like, gosh, I just love that your family always has NA options. And I, and I responded and I was like, you know, it hasn't always been that way. Yeah. Like it. And I think that it's really amazing that. I feel like even before pregnancy mm-hmm. Or like anything like that was like really a strong part of, I don't know, our family activities or whatever. Yeah. That like, we kind of started adapting way, like way before that. Yeah. And I was like, thinking about it and I was like, honestly, like it wasn't the go-to or it wasn't a, it wasn't a. Thought before it wasn't a normal thing that you were gonna go to our house and there was gonna be alcohol, non-alcoholic options. Yeah. And so I was kind of like, yeah, it hasn't always been that way, but it's kind of, it's awesome to me too to know that like if I didn't wanna drink, it's pretty normal that we would have those options. Yeah. Like you, I, I do feel like you've kind of paved the path for that. Yeah. In our family. I never of it that way. Oh yeah. Yeah. And so I think that that's, even though like. Jordan doesn't drink that much, or like Chloe's 17, like whatever. You know, we just have, that hasn't always been a thing, but it's just like being inclusive to anybody and everybody, whatever decision they wanna make for their own bodies. Mm-hmm. And like, we're very supportive of that. So Yeah. Yeah, that reminds me of whenever I was hosting book club and I had just found out I was pregnant and so I made mocktails. Mm-hmm. And I think I actually made Shirley Temples, but I know that you, Morgan had said you had either done this for your own. Um, thing that you had hosted or you had said like your friends had done this, but making a mocktail version of whatever a big drink is and then having the liquor on the side that people can add in. Yes. I was like, that is genius because I always make a cocktail batch. Yes. And then say, oh, sorry, this is a cocktail you can have water. Yeah. And because I've always been the person participating in drinking and so I've never thought about having other options, but then I got pregnant and I was like, oh yeah, I can't drink anymore. And so. I, I will always do that now from now on. Mm-hmm. Baking a mocktail batch and then having liquor on the side so people can add that in as they want. It's honestly like just as easy if not easier. Like, it's just it, it's so simple. I, yes. I don't know why it took so long to realize that, but I don't know. I'm so happy that. You've shown us how it like doesn't have to be a big deal. Mm-hmm. It doesn't have to be a big, I don't know, a whole big thing. It doesn't mean you have to stay in Yeah. My part. It doesn't mean you boring or anything like that. You guys are the least boring people that I know. I feel like I have done more fun things and gotten me more outta my comfort zone since starting this. Yeah. Because I'm spending less time hungover at home, dude. Yeah. No kidding. It's kind of like. The novelty effect that you guys talked about in one episode, how your experience of time when you're doing new things is different. Like Yeah. My experience of time when I was blacked out, I mean, I lost that. Yeah. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. And so like I've really given myself the gift of being able to remember and enjoy more experiences this way. Yeah. No, I haven't really related to that with this summer being sober, um, that. Like I still go to the things I'm the dd, which I love doing because I'm like, I've never been to DD before. Yeah. This is so fun for me. But then it's always so funny'cause the next day Mason hung over and I'm like, I feel great. Yeah. This is so great for me. I'm gonna go for a walk. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, wow. I never would've thought about that. And I feel great. Mm-hmm. Nice. It's fun. It's a fun like change of pace. Yeah. Well, thanks so much for coming on. Yes, thanks for having me. We're so grateful and it was long. Long overdue. Yes, long overdue. We have started incorporating guests or interviews once. A month-ish, like once every four or five episodes. We're not on the schedule. No. Mm-hmm. But we just, we thought it would be fun this year to start incorporating that. So you were one of like the first people that came to mind. Yeah. But we were like, what did we ask about? You know? And there's so many different topics that we knew you could have gone through. Yes. You could have talked to us about so many things, but I'm so glad you came on for this one, and especially to kick off summer. Yes, yes, yes. That's what I wanted. Yes. Yes. So. All that said, said, yes. If you listen to this episode and you really resonated with it, or you want some accountability or you know, someone that you guys have kind of been like talking about, like your relationship with alcohol or whatever you want some accountability, please send it to friends and loved ones who you think would benefit from it. 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