Episode 78: Following the Breadcrumbs: Signs You’re On the Right Path

Have you ever felt like life was trying to tell you something? A chance meeting. A repeated message. A place you can’t stop thinking about. A door closing unexpectedly… only for another one to open.

In this episode we explore the idea of “following the breadcrumbs” — the subtle signs, synchronicities, feelings, patterns and nudges that seem to guide us toward our dharma, purpose, and most aligned life.

We talk about how to recognise when you’re truly on path, why intuition often whispers before it shouts, and how modern life can disconnect us from our inner knowing. From a yoga, psychology and astrology perspective, we explore what it actually means to live in conversation with life itself.

We also dive into the deeper questions:
  Who — or what — are our “guides”?
  Are signs really external… or are they awakenings within ourselves?
  How do synchronicities work?
  And how can we become more open to receiving guidance, clarity and direction?

This episode is for anyone standing at a crossroads, craving deeper meaning, or learning to trust themselves — and life — a little more deeply.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Okay, everybody, welcome back. So this week we decided that we thought it would be good to do an episode on breadcrumbs. And what do we mean by that by following the breadcrumbs? Um, and this is a phrase that we use often in yoga teacher training, and just generally as a sort of understanding of the universe or whatever you'd like to call it, giving us signs that we can follow, like following the breadcrumbs, towards our Dharma, our true purpose. And so we wanted to talk a little bit about what that means, how that might even work, and what our experience of that has been. So, Beck, is there anything that you'd like to add to that or anything that you want to share?

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Um, maybe just defining to me what breadcrumbs means, which I think it's yeah, it is a sense of clues, and that life is always giving you signs of which direction to go in if you open your eyes and see them. Um and ways that that can express itself really. So often it can be things that feel really random that actually aren't. Um because I guess to like break the pattern, especially when we first start noticing signs, which I think we're gonna talk about more, like it has to be something random that catches your attention, or like someone the same thing being repeated to you, like in different situations by different people, different scenarios, that makes you take notice of uh the sign, the direction. And I really like this idea of kind of the combination of the universe like having its plan, which we can see through the map of the stars, even though that can express itself differently, and kind of the overlap of free will. Um and I know that confuses a lot of people when you start looking at astrology, um you know, like, is everything predestined? Well, no, it isn't, like, there's different ways energy can play out, and we have free will, so we can always make a choice. But I love this idea of it like all sort of comes together as a jigsaw. Um as we start to make sense of our lives and build uh whatever we feel is important in our life. So, yeah, I think that's what I'd open with. What do breadcrumbs mean to you?

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Um, well, I think your phrase always stays with me, like there's no such thing as coincidence, right? So um it's just about noticing the coincidences, like noticing the patterns and the trends, like I don't know, a person that you randomly sit next to and what you end up talking about, or the podcast that comes on next that feels like the thing that you needed to hear, or a place that you feel like weirdly drawn to, or so just starting to see those events, like when we leave the universe, like space to speak what it fills it with, and noticing that that isn't random, that that is guiding us if we can see the signs. And I think the journey that I've been on anyway, and what I sort of see in others through teacher training, for me is like the word is like a refinement or a tuning in, um, and like the model, you know, lover model, Capricorn, lover system that that like makes sense to me in this is when we can tune into the layers of our being, then we are more able to feel into the subtle sensations of the body and the gentle sort of pull towards one direction, away from another direction, and what does feel aligned and what doesn't feel aligned to us, like energetically, and that helps sort of lead us on our path. And then when we are we have that more like we're more discerning in a way, like we can see things more clearly. I think then the signs maybe become more obvious, or we see them as signs, whereas before we might have just seen them as like random events. So, you know, the literal thing like gives us that brilliant framework in terms of the koshas, which are the layers of our being. So, like the more we practice mastering Anamaya kosher, like our physical layer, then we can get more attuned to the more subtle layers like the emotional layers, the energetic layers, the wisdom layers, and the bliss body. Um, and so when we start to tune in to that frequency, I think we're then more able to hear or see the guidance, like which is at a higher frequency. That that's sort of what makes sense to me on that.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

Yeah, and it's like as we tune in and we go through that process of like refinement, yes, feeling like your body and where your limbs are in space. We talk about that a lot in yoga and go through those layers, what simultaneously happens is your consciousness is rising and your frequency. And the way that I understand this to work is in terms of like the shift that happens from third, some people call it dimension, I prefer to call it density, third density consciousness, and we can move up to well, like fifth-dimensional consciousness is where we're aiming for in human form. So, in third density consciousness, it's like we're living a very physical life, and we don't really see um we well, we tune out the things that you can't see with your physical eyes or hear with your physical ears, like we're living like everything is physical, you know, like everything you touch, the table, your cup with your tea in, like everything is solid and real, and that is a beautiful part of the human experience. And one of the reasons we choose to be incarnated as human to like have that physical experience that we wouldn't get if we were an angel or a spirit guide or whatever you know we might be. So we choose to come and have that physical experience, and that's really important to remember when we talk about kind of the higher um density states. But what we learn to do as babies and young children is to tune out all of the things that we can't actually see with our eyes, or we can't actually hear, like you know, it's very becomes very narrowed down. Um, and as our consciousness raises and we start to move in through the layers of the body and therefore like up through the different chakras, we can move into fourth-dimensional or density consciousness, which is really like from a heart-centered place and moving through the worlds from the heart chakra, you know, very much about love and attraction as well, and magnetism with the heart. And I think if you're truly living from from your heart, you stop living from a state of fear or um, and it's impossible not to believe if you live from the heart that the world isn't a benevolent place or the universe isn't a benevolent place, even though there are, of course, like terrible things happening. So when you start to live from the heart and you yeah, really are moving from a place of love, I think you start to see the signs, and like this is the one of the first things that's that happens as you move through spiritual awakening, you start to notice more things. Um, so whether that is like numbers, um, you know, like the the classic angel numbers, or noticing, oh look, it's 1111 is always the the classic one. Um or whether it's feathers or birds or flowers or whatever keeps repeating itself to you, what returns over and over is like a sign that I don't know, you're on the right path, whatever it might be that's real for you in that moment. Um, so yeah, that's one of the first things that happens as your consciousness raises, and that can like be instant for some people or take years for other people, and indeed, some people may never get to that fourth density consciousness in this lifetime, like you know, they're just happy in their 3D, um, and maybe that's what their soul came to experience. So that's kind of the first move is to fourth density consciousness.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

It's interesting because when you talk about like living from the heart space, for my me, like the word that keeps coming up is like trust. Is this sense like deep, deep trust in like it's all happening for us, even even when it's hard. Um, and I think that that's certainly the shifts I think that we see on teacher training is that like even the conversation we had, wasn't it, this weekend, and a lot of them were talking about like what next, because it was the penultimate weekend, and it was really amazing how it was like, you know, I think I'm just gonna travel or I'm just gonna like well, we were talking about uh what was it, a houseboat, and like they just want to go and do something different, and you know, not all of them, but some of them, and I felt like that was a real sign of like I'll be okay no matter what. This like deep sense of trust, both in themselves that they've got the tools to cope, but also that like whatever lessons they learn on the on the way are the lessons that they're meant to be learning, and just removal of fear, right? Of like having to do the same thing because of the fear of not doing it, and going, I feel like trying something different. And that was like really exciting. Um, I think that's a real process of yeah, working through those layers, seeing some of the samscar is those like deeply entrenched patterns that we can start to work through and that and come back to like trust and and kind of refining our faith in that it has all happened for a reason and it has all brought you here to this moment, um, you know, and giving you the tools now to go and do whatever it is that you want to do. And often one of the phrases that we use is the red rubber band, isn't it? Which I think is like it's similar, but it's a little bit more literal in the way that it's yes, that we all have this destiny in a way, dharma, path, purpose, and like if we veer too far away from that, like something might ping us back on path. So, yeah, there's the idea that there's like the signs that kind of lead us where we want to go, and then if we're sort of going too far astray, maybe we get pinged back. Um, and we've had some lovely s stories of that. So, yeah, I there was um we've got an amazing lady on the training who works with energies, and she great, get I think gave a brilliant analogy this weekend in one of her presentations around frequency and how when something moves really, really fast, we can't see it, you know. And she did that in front of her face with her hand, just sort of waved it really quickly, and obviously it becomes blurry, a bit like a fan, you know. When you put a fan on, you can't see the propellants going around, but you can feel the wind because it starts moving at a higher frequency, and that I found really useful to say, okay, yeah, you know, when we do start moving maybe into like we've got 3D, haven't we? But they're moving up to like the 5D, five density, or fifth-dimensional realm, like it is not gonna be as liter as in front of us because it becomes more subtle, it's a higher frequency, right?

SPEAKER_00 12:48

Yeah, and think about how that relates to the chakras. So the heart chakra is like a higher frequency than the root chakra. So the the further we move up in frequency, the more subtle things we become aware of, and that like signs being the first kind of not first step on the ladder, but one of the first things, you know. It's funny because I get so many people message me all the time with like, I saw this, like these signs, and you know, because I think when those things happen to us, we want that ex external validation from someone else, and just to share it, like, oh my god, you know, the universe is amazing and it's showing me all these things, but like I can't go and tell like my mate at work because she's just not gonna get it, or you know, uh, so I always get loads of those kind of messages and pictures of the moon, I get a lot of those as well. Um, but yeah, as we start to, and that those are like physical signs, right? They are in our physical reality, so the the more that we notice them, it's kind of showing that our our frequency is rising, and we stop seeing coincidences and we start seeing synchronicities.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

Yeah, I love that. It's nice to like get those sort of moments of affirmation, isn't it? Like that you are on path, and yeah, you get something reflected back to you. And I think that was the other lovely analogy we were we were talking about this weekend, actually, is that we were talking about how our external reality is actually a mirror of our internal reality, and how sometimes we get confused and see it the other way around. Yeah. Um, but that what we're seeing is simply mirroring like our inner world. So if our inner world is, you know, filled with conflict, then yes, that's what is reflected into the outer world, and that the only way, you know, we will focus on changing the outer world, but actually the only way to make real change is by changing the inner world, which is you know, is this all the same thing, really, just saying that the more we work on ourselves, the higher we raise our frequency, the more connected we are, uh, to receive or to see, you know, whatever you want to say about how our yeah, reality matches our inner world, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:16

And I think the thing with frequency as well, like it is about raising your frequency, but I think it's also just coming actually back to what is your natural, your truth frequency, because there's so many distortions. Yes, there's all like the conditioning, maybe past life stuff that we come in with, whatever it might be, uh, things like that, but then even stuff like um, you know, interference from everything around us is like Wi-Fi, electrical, like constantly interfering with our frequency. Um so it's like you've got to get rid of that static, and how do we do that? We come back to our own natural frequency, which is why things like sound baths are really amazing, and also just guided meditations that maybe take you on a journey to yeah, clear your energy field or work on your chakras.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

This is why I think energy healing is so fascinating because it's working on so many layers, it's like yeah, working with you know, look at sound and frequency, that's very literally like clearing our yeah, our sort of field, our magnetic field, our static, you know, EMF and all that sort of stuff, which sound baths and yeah, energy healing can work with, but then also it's understanding that we can do that by going like through as well, right? And I think that one of the um really interesting practices that we were doing this weekend was that the practice of who am I, which essentially is like removing layers or or noticing, bringing into light like the titles that we call ourselves and like stripping those away, and then understanding like who are we really? Um, and this is what sparked, I think, some really interesting conversations. We were looking at in yoga, some of the terminology, which I think like contributes towards this idea of these sort of layers of existence, which is the idea that we have prakriti, which is a Sanskrit word used to describe everything that changes. So, this is like our body, this is our appearance, these are our thoughts, even our emotions, our personality, our roles, fears, like achievements, labels, all of that is in prakriti. And this is like, yeah, the the sort of world form, if you like, what they actually call the Maya, the illusion of the material world, which is what you know we've been talking about a little bit here. Um, and then you have a layer in is the Atman, which is the soul, right? So the inner essence or the true self, again, like getting back to our true frequency, and this is the deeper sense that there is something within you that remains present throughout all of those that changing stuff on the top. The prakriti that changes, the Atman remains this sense of self below that, but then Purusha takes it a step deeper where it's like awareness, so it's like the the witnessing consciousness of all that stuff changing, so we can actually see that it happens, so so in that way we are detached from it, and so Purusha is that pure awareness, and then stepping back again is the Brahman, which is about universal consciousness or oneness itself, that we were never separate in the first place, and I think by working through those sort of layers, taking off the masks, taking off the labels, all of that is another like a different way, not through a sound bath, but through the sort of psychological or mental refinement practice or self-study of yeah, who am I beneath all of that? And coming back to our truest sense of self as a as a sort of method of working through those chakras, right?

SPEAKER_00 19:11

Yeah, and you can sort of link them to the densities in a way because the mask is well, is it even third density? Maybe not. It could it could be two-dimensional because it depends on I suppose like the quality of the mask in a way, because if the mask is like I am, you know, my job, I will say that's like a second dimension. That's not even like true in a way, whereas like a third-dimensional mask or role might be something like mother, you know it is true in this physical reality, and of course, it has an impact on everything you do, and is gonna impact the deeper layers of your being, and then as you move deeper, you're sort of moving into the fourth density and the fifth density, you know, until you come to Brahman, which is source, which is I don't even know what density that is, like beyond 12th density, you know. Um I think most of the books on uh density and um dimensional frequency, the ones that I've read only go up to 12 dimensions, but there could be many more than that. But in a way, it's interesting because it's sort of the frequency increases, but actually it goes back to a zero point, doesn't it? Of like oneness, nothingness, you know, oneness and nothingness are almost the same thing, it's just pure energy, this pure source of energy that um yeah, our souls and everything that exists come from.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

And this is living from the heart chakra, right? Because what we're uh also talking about here is the sense of jewel and non-jewel, which the jewel is like othering, right? It's like there's me and there's you, and we are different, and obviously that only lives in prakriti, really. Like we're only different in our physical form, in our illusion, and as we move deeper into these like layers and higher frequency, we realise that we are all from source, like we are all connected, and all of that is just an illusion, and that is non-dual, and so yeah, it's all a journey of sort of reconnecting, isn't it, back to self, um, but also back to yeah, source energy, and that's why you know yoga is like the word means to yoke, to come back together, the journey of the self through the self, you know, to come back to connection because it's through disconnection that I think all of this sort of confusion arises, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Hmm. I said to you on the weekend, you know, like one of the reasons so many people especially Women who I think are really on a massive spiritual journey of like remembering all of this and the feminine aspects of self. Why we become so attracted to yoga is because there are these teachings, and it is one of the only complete systems that exist that can explain this in you know a spiritual framework that is accessible. Um yeah, so I I think yoga is just amazing as a science, really, to teach us all of this.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

And I think like I you know, I I like that lens, obviously, like Capricorn, I like my systems, I like quite sort of tangible, grounded, earthy stuff. And and for me, I I I get that. I like the frameworks, I can see them, I understand them, I can practice them. Um and then there's sort of we can take this further, can't we? Like I guess yoga for me is still pretty psychological in terms of like its mental refinement, and like it gives me we get clearer mentally on who we are, on what we want, on our values, you know, on what's important to us. And so, therefore, like when it comes to decision making and sort of designing our life, like we can see it all more clearly because we've done that mental refinement. That for me is quite like psychological, almost quite literal, maybe not to other people, but I kind of get that. Where I get a little bit lost, or may and maybe I'm just not there yet, but I think is the area where like you are really in at the moment, which is a lot more uh spirit-based in terms of you know, we hear these phrases like asking our guides to guide us, um, and sort of angels and spirit and things like that, which yeah, I think would just be like I know we've spoken about it briefly, but just to talk a little bit more into like how does that work? Is that a different terminology for like what we're already doing in yoga? Like, is it mental refinement, or is it is it like another energetic field where something is working for us in in form of like people who have passed, or what do you think?

SPEAKER_00 24:21

I think it's both because I think it's easier to connect to those things if you've gone through the process of like this mental refinement because you can understand it, and some people, don't get me wrong, will go about it in a much more like exploratory way. Like one of my friends, uh, she's a psychic, she's an amazing psychic, and she's got like a you know, a two-year waiting list for one-to-ones, and her experience has only been through connection with her guides with angels, um, and like she had experiences as a child, and then as a young adult, um she's from Australia and she came to work in the UK, and she had um she worked at Windsor Castle and like she saw all the ghosts in the castle, and like you know, she's always done that work. Whereas I think if, like me, you know, you're kind of trained as a child, not that I remember this, but I think this happens um just through the way that we live in the West, especially, like to not notice things and to not have connections with our guides and whatever, then the process of mental refinement is really supportive, I think, to get you to kind of that level of connection. And I always think our guides, our team, whatever you know you you might want to call it, um, I really like to think of them as just aspects of self that we're that are like trying to help us, uh, whether that is like past lifetimes, future lifetimes, alternate realities. Um and for me, like connection with guides has been quite subtle, really. Um, because I think we have this expectation that, like, okay, we're gonna start working with our guides and asking for support, that we're gonna get like this clear, okay. Like, I know that it's Archangel Michael is working with me right now, and like, you know, he's gonna talk in my ear. And that does happen for some people, but not for most people. And so, my experience of guides and ascended masters that I have consciously worked with is more like an attraction from me towards them, and that might show up through breadcrumbs to begin with. Like, I don't know, Mary Magdalene, for instance, you know, just more and more people around me talking about her and coming across books, and then um, you know, then I might see like a webinar or something like that that has taken me towards her. And yeah, I feel like she has been guiding me as I've been writing the book that I've been uh working on, and doing the Mary Magdalene uh like Desert Rose Priestess training. I I got quite confused during the process of it, to be honest, because it's like you know, learning new things, like we were doing chanting in Aramaic and uh different mudras and different things. I'm like, hold on a minute, like am I adopting someone else's culture or practices without understanding what I'm doing here, and the way that I feel now is you know, like Aramaic is the language that Mary Magdalene would have spoken with with uh Yeshua, um yeah, that language. So it's like using that language is a way of me getting closer to her, you know, so that then hopefully you can receive the wisdom. So I think it's like these things come into your awareness. Um, so anything that you're interested in, like like deeply passionate about, I really feel like an aspect of self, a higher aspect of self, or a guide, which some people say is the same thing, has guided us to that point. Um you know, and laid the breadcrumbs for us to walk upon. Like, you know, often our family members that pass over become guides on the other side, and they're more useful to us to be on the other side. You know, I often think about you with this, like with your dad and him passing, and we've spoken before, and I wonder if you would be on the path. Well, I think you would be actually if he hadn't passed over when you were young, because something else would have brought you there. But like this was the quickest, easiest, most direct route for you to do that at a young age, and then you know, maybe he's more useful to you as a guide on the other side because you do so much reflection, I know you do, about his life, and um, you know, there's so many, so much richness in everything that you've learned that you I don't know, maybe you wouldn't reflect on the same in the same way if he was here. So even in that respect, he's more like this sounds really clinical, and I don't mean it to sound like that, but more useful to you as like guiding you from the other side. Um, and then I think there can be a point where uh ancestral guides can be not helpful anymore on the other side. Um, and this happened to me recently with my granddad, actually. It was the day that we were, I don't know if I told you about this, but the day that we were cleaning up the studio, um, and I went to the tip with like loads of the you know stuff we were just getting rid of, and I was thinking about him. So I think like a classic sign is like you're thinking about them is like, you know, how does that even happen? Like, where do our thoughts come from? Well, like out here somewhere, so like something must be out there for you to to pull it in. Um, and there's lots around like the science of thought. Um, anyway, I was thinking about my granddad, and I hadn't thought about him for a long time, and then there was a car in front of me, and it was like 444. So I was like, Oh yeah, hey, hi grandad. And then the car carried on, and I turned right, and then I went round a little roundabout, and when I went round the roundabout, the car in front of me, the number plate was G something dad, and I was like, Oh my god, like it's my granddad. Um, and he he was there with me, but I felt this real a different feeling around it and heaviness, and it was like interesting because I was going to the tip to like get rid of stuff, and yeah, people might be like, Oh, she's reading way too much into this, but I just don't think you can you can do that, but I'm like, I'm literally getting rid of stuff. Um, so yeah, I just felt something around that, and then that evening, like weird things happened, like in the house, and things something broke, I can't remember what it was, it might have been the dishwasher or something. And then I was going to bed, and my bedroom door, like the stairs up to the loft, which is where I'm sitting now as I'm recording this. There was like this shadow, and I felt it was him, and but he was like going up the stairs, and it was like, okay, like he's going up the stairs, like away. And I sort of just got into bed and I called in energetic protection, but I just tuned into that, and I really felt like he was stepping away because like he was holding me back now or holding our lineage back. And the interesting thing is, my family is pretty complicated, but my half-sister um who was adopted as a baby, and I only got in touch with her as an adult, so there's like a lot of stuff there in in my lineage that I won't go into the detail of, but anyway, her son that day had they had had a baby, him and his uh girlfriend, and it felt like this new soul coming in was like, and it was a boy, was like a completion of something in uh lineage, and he could now step away. I didn't find out about the baby until like the next day, but he'd he was born like that afternoon that I I saw all the number plates, and it so finding that out later, I was kind of able to like process it and make sense of it. So, yeah, these these things can be as much or as little as you want them to be, I think.

SPEAKER_01 34:02

And I think it's all about how viscerally you feel them, like in your body, like it's a knowing, isn't it? Rather than like it doesn't matter what anybody else interprets that as, like that's what it meant to you, and so that is, you know.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

Yeah, it's a bit like yoga exists, like these different teachings and layers of being that we talk about, and then like the glaciers and the poisons and all of that, like they exist to us, like when we look at people, whether the other person believes in it or not, like it is a science, it is a way of thinking. Um, so yeah, if it's real for you, then it's real.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

Exactly, because what's reality anyway? Yeah, it's all just energy, and if you feel that energy, then of course that's as real, you know, as anything else. Um yeah, I think I mean I I think also it's one of those things, I don't know what you think, but I feel like it almost can't be rushed in the way, like, you know, I remember there was once upon a time where yoga I thought was a total waste of time, right? And it was not as much as we did, and now it's like full time. And yeah, there was a time where I wasn't into astrology, and now you know, where we are with this podcast, like never I never could have predicted that. Um, and so I think it's even if like even if not right now, maybe it doesn't connect with you. I feel like just having an awareness of it means that you know, even if it's just a crack in the door, like it's more yeah, there's more chance that you might receive, right?

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Yeah, and it's I think for some people they might never want to have those experiences, and that's okay, you know, that's everyone is different.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Well, I think it's also about like trusting the timings. I mean, these things can't be rushed, right? It's like interesting when you reflect back on like my dad, and yeah, certainly, like of course, we all are the way I think is because of my childhood, and like he was a massive influence in that childhood. Um, and even the way I parent now, like I'm so like hypercritical of myself in my parenting, and I really try and like dial it down so that it's helpful rather than unhelpful, but like you know, if the universe is like giving gifts away, and I remember you saying this, like if you don't use it, it goes to someone else. But I feel like every day I speak to Lenny, and I'm like, I've come up with some sort of little like pithy something to help him with his emotions, you know. And like this is not gonna sound groundbreaking, but it's like the one weird thing we're always trying to work on at the main. Like, I'm doing this trauma course, so I'm like really trying to help him like feel his feelings, and all feelings are okay, and like anger is great, like all of it's good, let's feel all of our feelings, and then trying to put in the boundaries, like, but it's not okay to be mean or to be rude. And like this morning, literally this morning before school, we were like reflecting on last night when he was like really struggling, he was just feeling really angry, and he's been so horrible to Theo. And I was trying to separate like the two things out to him. So this morning I was getting ready and he comes back in and he was saying, like, Mummy, you know, like how you said I can be angry, but I can't be mean. Like, how do how should I do that? And I was like, I mean, what a great question. Like, how literally can he do that? And I was like, right, I'm gonna draw this out for you. Like, we're gonna come up. I was like, I just need to make this workbook, like, I just need to. I feel like the way that I was brought up as a child, and like for whatever reason my parents were not, they didn't have this knowledge, like they did there was trauma, was not I don't know, mental health, none of these things are out there. Like both my parents are quite old as well. I think like sometimes I forget like to remember that or to say that out loud that like if dad was still alive, he'd have been like towards his late 80s now. Um, and it's that same age as some people's grandparents, so I feel I almost like skipped a generation in a way. Um, and like my mum's saying, right, she's moving into her 70s, so I had like a quite an old-fashioned way of being brought up, and yet like now I'm in this really modern world with my you know, my kids, so I'm having to like figure figure it out pretty quick, and like it's very different. Um, and so I feel passionately about yeah, just making sure that I provide some sort of like template and help as much as I can with I think how difficult the world is and how much children need our guidance at the moment, you know. And I've been given Lenny who my goodness, he's complicated. I mean, I know children are complicated, but I've been around enough children to know like I overthink and Lenny overthinks double me. Like, so you know, he presents me these challenges where I have to I have to come up with something to help him, and it kind of is not a coincidence, I don't feel that I'm doing this like trauma training that I've been that dad passed away when he did, so that I'm you know how many years I've been teaching yoga and running teacher trainings to come up with like frameworks to adults to now be able to translate that into something that can be really uh useful for children, like yeah, so it I feel sometimes it's just about trusting the timings, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Mmm, I think that's so fascinating that you know you chose these parents that were older. And why, like, why is that? So that you would like have this upbringing, maybe so that one day like you would have you know, there's this soul waiting to come in, maybe you even had this agreement like before you know Lenny comes through and he's like, I'm gonna be really complex, and you're like, it's okay, I'm gonna have done all this stuff, and and um, you know, because it imagine like if he wasn't born to you, like you weren't his mum, um you know, there's a reason that he needs whatever you're gonna offer him, like for good, but also you know, I don't think we can ever get it all perfect, and I'm sure there'll be things like your children and my children are like, oh my mum was like this, and you know, that makes me not want to be like that, and I'm like this, yeah, because evolution and and we have to that's how change happens, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 40:44

Yeah, for sure. I mean, we can't it's hard to deny that. I mean, if you think that I was on the coil when I got pregnant with him, and yeah, so unplanned, like, yeah, he he was ready when he was ready, even if I wasn't. But it doesn't mean like, you know, even at the teacher training weekend, I remember I said to you this weekend, I feel like I'm getting it wrong with him. I just need to be funner, I need to like stop teaching him. Like, it's it's a constant, yeah, a constant process of self-criticism, refinement, and then like compassion, right?

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Yeah, quite so much, isn't there, in parenting around that? Yeah, it's hard, even you know, Zoe. Um I was out a lot this weekend as well because I was teaching on Sunday and then I was holding space on Saturday, and she was like, Oh, it's like another weekend where you're just you're just not here, like even though she is pretty self-sufficient and does her own stuff. Um, and I sometimes wonder, because I do love work, or the impact of that on her, is she gonna be then with her children or like her model where she doesn't choose a job that like is consuming of her because maybe that's what her her soul needs, and you know, but then it's hard because you like don't want to be remembered as the parent who was not there enough either. So I just think you have to just follow your own heart, don't you? You what else can you do?

SPEAKER_01 42:20

Exactly, but I think like yeah, trusting the things that happen help remind us of that, right? I mean, it's like you know, Lenny, the whole reason that I do this podcast is because of what he shared with me, yeah, in terms of his past life, and it's like I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for what he shared, and so yeah, I'm taking too much time away from him. It's almost like he sort of triggered the the thing to be doing this work anyway. Like it's it's all meant to be, isn't it? And whatever ramifications they have from how we are with them is also meant to be in terms of like them learning the opposite end of the spectrum. Maybe um, we have plenty of people that come into the trainings and they're very anti-spirituality because their mother or their grandmother was too like that and it put them off, you know. And that's always a really interesting challenge because sometimes we have people who just have no idea about it and then they're really excited about it, or their parents were very like uh non-spiritual, and so it's like, oh, this whole new realm, and then sometimes you get other people who are like that it's been rammed down their throat, and like you know, they're allergic to it because it was just too much. Like I we can only show up authentically as in what we really believe in, and then how that lands with other people is the journey they're gonna go on, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 43:37

Yeah. So I thought it might be helpful for us to talk about as we start to bring things to a close like how do you recognise these breadcrumbs that we have spoken about? How do you know what they are? That it's a breadcrumb, that it's something uh leading you on your path or towards your drama. I think the first thing for me. That a breadcrumb does is like energizes you. And sometimes that can be like almost very electric in your body, or you're just suddenly very attracted to something, can be a person, but it could also be like a new hobby or a place that you want to go travel to uh or live in, something like that. So it's like gives you energy back from it. So I remember, I feel like one of my breadcrumbs was definitely like finding Soul Sanctuary and going to yoga was a huge breadcrumb on my path because I just remember being so energized to it, from it, and like feeling myself. And then there's a draw to go back to you, or you know, if it's a subject, like you want to read more about it, and like you can't, it becomes almost like a bit of an obsession, sometimes, not always, um, or comes back in your thoughts or your conversations, or you just feel curious about it. So that's like some of the um ways a breadcrumb can show up, like a big kind of path breadcrumb. But then there can be like the more subtle signs that we've spoken about, and for me, they tend to be like more about confirmation because if you see, I don't know whether it's like a feather or you notice something or time on a clock, like to me, that's more like of a confirmation that whatever you were thinking about or whatever is in your awareness in your field, yeah, it's like just a reflection back from the universe that, yeah, like I've got you, you know, we've got it covered. And then with a more physical breadcrumbs, so you know, like going to yoga for instance, then it's an expansion of your world, and this can be a big thing or a small expansion. Uh so I did a I don't know how long, how many classes I did at the studio, but then I just had this like big one night I just couldn't sleep, and I just kept sort of receiving the message, and I it like I wasn't as tuned in to myself as I am now, but it was like all I could think about was like I've got to do my yoga teach training, and it just wouldn't leave me alone. So it it's something that comes back in your thoughts again and again, and when you do it, it expands your world. Uh, so yeah, going from doing your first yoga class to then your teacher training, and then you teach your first class, and that expands you again, and then I don't know, then you teach a workshop and that expands you again, but then you become interested in astrology because you're just more open-minded, and that changes you, so it's like these constant breadcrumbs that drive you in a in a new direction. Um, and it can sometimes come through people as well. Uh, I think spirit can use other people to give you messages and say things, and this can be like uh literal, you know, something that someone might say to you. Sometimes it can be something that's written on a t-shirt or something like that. Uh and yeah, so we we can get like a literal message from someone, but it's like that thing is already alive in us because we wouldn't feel like the activation and like notice it and be like, oh my god, like they've just said that thing, you know, maybe you're looking for a new place to live, and then like four people in a week all talk about Portugal or you know, whatever it whatever place it might be, because it's activating something that already feels alive in you. So, yeah, that's kind of how uh breadcrumbs can show up. One thing I would say about breadcrumbs as well is like sometimes we can get disappointed when we see a sign or we think we've received a message and it doesn't lead us to where we think we're gonna go. Um, and I've had this recently. So on New Year's Day, I woke up and there was a for sale sign in my garden, and I'd been really thinking about moving house, it's something we've been talking about, and yeah, like some drunken people had moved the for sale sign into my garden. And it's funny, a lot of my friends were like, Yeah, probably your husband did it when you were asleep because he would know that you'd think it was a sign from the universe. So I had this sign, and I was like, Okay, gonna um get on and sell the house. And we went to look at house, and that kind of excited us, so it felt like the right thing to do, and then put the house on the market. But it hasn't been an easy process so far. Um, and who knows like if it's going to play out, but I think it's been an important process to move through because actually what started to happen, and this hasn't happened to me for ages, but I got very attached to the outcome of like, we are gonna sell a house and we are going to move into this house. And I think everything I felt around this and some of the lessons that I've had to go through, um, because one of the things that we were going to do to finance a move was for me to sell some of the shares that I have in like my day job business. And so I had to have that conversation um with like the owner of the business to be like, look, I still want to be in the business, but I I'm thinking about selling my shares, and it's something I've been avoiding, like a conversation that I've been avoiding having. Um, because it like meant for asking for like what I felt I was worth and what I felt the shares were worth, because there's nothing written down and we can just agree like it is what it is, and so I feel like the whole thing has been around like lessons around non-attachment and my soul saying, like, you have to have this conversation, and then you know, whatever happens from there kind of doesn't matter either way, so yeah, like sometimes we can think we're going in a direction with breadcrumbs, and then it like feels like a dead end. So I think it's like then always thinking about okay, what did I learn on the process, and what has this um what has this taught me, but also like what connections have I made along the way? How has it made me see things differently? Because I don't know, maybe you meet someone new or yeah, you make a new connection, or you think about moving and you weren't thinking about moving, whatever it might be, it can be a redirection. So yeah, I think that's something that's really important to remember.