What It Really Takes to Be a Woman in Business | Honest Leadership in the Trades with Kathryn Elizabeth & Laura Kelly

What does authentic leadership actually look like for women in the trades?

In this episode of Catalyst for the Trades, host Jennifer Bagley sits down with Laura Kelly and Kathryn Elizabeth for a direct, no-filter conversation about leadership, self-respect, and showing up fully as a woman in business.

The discussion covers what it means to lead with honesty, even when it’s uncomfortable. Laura and Kathryn share real experiences with criticism, self-doubt, public speaking, and breaking outdated expectations—especially in male-dominated industries like HVAC, plumbing, and the trades.

You’ll hear practical insights on setting boundaries, navigating feedback, building confidence, serving others without losing yourself, and surrounding yourself with people who support your growth.

This episode is for women in business, female trades professionals, and leaders who want to build impact without pretending to be someone they’re not.

Key Topics Covered

• Authentic leadership in the trades
• Women in business and entrepreneurship
• Handling criticism and public visibility
• Self-respect, boundaries, and leadership mindset
• Overcoming self-doubt and fear
• Values-driven leadership
• Community, support systems, and personal growth

Timestamps

00:00 – Authenticity and speaking truth in business (Laura Kelly & Kathryn Elizabeth)
 03:00 – Handling criticism and swearing on stage
 04:40 – Why leadership often means breaking the rules
 05:04 – Self-respect and setting boundaries as a leader
 07:30 – Being “heart-less” without being heartless (Kathryn Elizabeth)
 10:44 – Authenticity, service, and leadership responsibility
 11:56 – Confronting self-doubt and doing hard things anyway
 13:00 – Behind the scenes of public speaking (Jennifer Bagley)
 14:46 – Why serving from the stage isn’t about you
 17:31 – Showing up for your audience—even if it’s one person
 18:46 – Values, behavior, and creating a rich life (Laura Kelly)
 22:08 – Progress over perfection and bouncing back
 23:11 – The power of community and support systems
 25:12 – Final thoughts: choose who you surround yourself with

Guest Details

Laura Kelly

Industry leader and speaker known for her direct approach to leadership, tough conversations, and personal growth. Laura helps business owners and leaders identify their core values and build fulfillment in both life and work.

Kathryn Elizabeth

CEO, business builder, and speaker focused on real-world leadership. Kathryn is known for her honest take on decision-making, team building, and consistency, and for empowering women in the trades to lead with confidence.

Host

Jennifer Bagley

Founder of CI Web Group and host of Catalyst for the Trades. Jennifer helps trades businesses grow through clear strategy, strong leadership, and authentic marketing.

Relevant Links

• Connect with Kathryn Elizabeth 
• Follow Laura Kelly
• Catalyst for the Trades
• CI Web Group

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Transcript

Jennifer Bagley [00:00:01]:
What's up? What's up? What's up? Thank you, babe. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to Catalyst for the trades. Today I have the most amazing two women on the planet with me and I specifically called this meeting to adjourn because these two ladies, I feel like if we had a single mom that decided to have a birth a child every 10 years, they likely give birth to the three of us and didn't tell us.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:00:30]:
They were like, listen, I love that.

Jennifer Bagley [00:00:32]:
You'Re going to cuss and you're going to cuss too much. All three go, I'm going to give you 10 years apart so you can make sure every single generation is covered.

Laura Kelly [00:00:41]:
So what are the rules today?

Jennifer Bagley [00:00:45]:
This is the break the rules group that's here. I don't think we've ever all been on the same stage at the same time. So I'm going to give a little disclaimer to those of you that ears are quite sensitive or it causes you stress to hear things that might challenge your thoughts, beliefs or feelings about yourself. This might not be the right podcast. With that I have Ms. Katherine Elizabeth and Laura Kelly. Good afternoon, ladies.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:01:12]:
Hey girl.

Laura Kelly [00:01:12]:
I'm glad to be here. This will be fun.

Jennifer Bagley [00:01:16]:
So I specifically invited you guys when Laura, you had posted. I think you just got done with a speaking event. I'm guessing you got feedback at the event. So that made you have like a personal come into Jesus or something after the event was over about. I don't know if it was a drop in an F bomb on stage or something, but so I, it was.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:01:37]:
In the title of her presentation. Oh.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:01:42]:
It, it, yeah, I had how.

Laura Kelly [00:01:43]:
My, the title of the presentation was how to have Less Shitty Ass Days, which I thought was pretty PG as far as, you know, language goes. But.

Laura Kelly [00:01:53]:
I had a sixth sense. It was actually no one said anything. It was a sixth.

Laura Kelly [00:02:00]:
It was a sixth sense that I either need to like reconsider how I speak.

Laura Kelly [00:02:08]:
I should certainly at least acknowledge that, you know, I, I, I, I, I'm on stage not trying to be perfect. I'm just being me. And you know, there's a part of me that thinks, take me or leave me. And then there's a part of me that is like.

Laura Kelly [00:02:24]:
Frick. Sometimes I ask hard questions that get a person to think. Am I losing the capacity to do that because I drop a few F bombs? I'm still, I, I think I know where I land. Here's where I land. I'll tell you where I land. If you're, if you're, if you're comfortable with cursing. I. You.

Laura Kelly [00:02:43]:
You're going to hear me curse. That's just who I am. If I feel like I will offend you or lose you, I. I won't curse. That's where I'm at. I like that. That's where I'm at.

Jennifer Bagley [00:02:56]:
So for both of you, both of you are not quiet, nor passive, nor do I believe you go with the grain, nor do I believe you follow. But you lead with everything in your soul.

Jennifer Bagley [00:03:14]:
Why? What got you there and what keeps you there.

Laura Kelly [00:03:20]:
I. I'll tell. What it is for me is I.

Laura Kelly [00:03:24]:
I will not. I will not feel like.

Laura Kelly [00:03:31]:
I will not ever suppress what I believe to be.

Laura Kelly [00:03:37]:
I will not ever suppress a part of myself to make.

Laura Kelly [00:03:42]:
Another person feel better. If I'm acting ethically. And I believe one of the biggest gifts we can give to another person is to tell them, like to tell them how it really is versus BS them with a load of nonsense. I also feel like if you allow a person treat you like shite.

Laura Kelly [00:04:06]:
You'Re. You're not going to have the capacity to have self respect. And if you don't have respect for yourself, no one under you is going to have respect for you. You can't lead a person anywhere if you don't have respect for yourself. So.

Laura Kelly [00:04:20]:
Yeah, girl, it's. For me, it's just an unwillingness to. I will own if I go wrong, girl, I'll own the out of that. The out of that. I also expect the same from those I put myself around. And I also like, if a person is willing to give me a hard truth, I'll. I'll take it. I struggle to.

Laura Kelly [00:04:42]:
I struggle to respect people who, who run away from the truth. And I, I guess that's a freaking harsh thing to say because people have, you know, their, their, their scars. People have been beat up by life. But my message to.

Laura Kelly [00:05:05]:
Anyone listening is if you've the capacity to hear. If you have the capacity to hear a truth and evolve through it, it'll make you stronger. But also.

Laura Kelly [00:05:17]:
If you have the capacity to look at yourself from a360 perspective and look down then. And then a person can say whatever they want to you and you get to decide whether it's true or not.

Laura Kelly [00:05:29]:
You get you. You get to choose. But yeah, I just think nobody should feel like they're. Nobody should feel so weak that they can't stand up for themselves because I don't believe that person can lead anyone anywhere.

Jennifer Bagley [00:05:44]:
Amen to that, Catherine.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:05:46]:
I think, I think that that's part of being a good leader. That's the hard part that a lot of people.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:05:55]:
Choose to skip that hard part. They don't have the tough conversations. They don't make the tough changes in leadership. And that's doing a disservice to everyone around you if you're the leader, right? And some people are not leaders, and that's okay. But part of being a good leader, you're there to serve the people, right? Serve the people who you're in charge of. And so to do that is especially, I think, as you grow and you scale and you have more team members and you have to serve the mass and not the minority, you have to make the hard decisions. And so sometimes.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:06:35]:
I think as you grow in a leader, you realize that you're not heartless, but you do use your heart less because you have to make logical decisions based off facts, like Laura was talking about, with the truth. But you have to face the truth. You have to make decisions off fact. And that's showing, like Laura said, the ultimate love, caring, consideration for the people you're in charge of because you're trying to do what's best. And that's what we have to do as leaders. And that's really what leading with your heart is about. Leading with your heart does not mean that you make everybody feel good every day. Leading with your heart does not mean that you don't fire somebody.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:07:14]:
That's not it. Leading with your heart is providing the optimal care, consideration, love, and. And pathway for. For the people who you're leading. And sometimes to do that, you have to make really hard decisions. You have to remove B players from your organization, B players who are really great people who you really care about, who you really love. But that's what you have to do as a leader. And so I think that for me, like, it's really easy to lead with my heart, but I also fire a lot of people.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:07:44]:
I also make a lot of hard decisions. I also tell a lot of people to fuck off. You know what I mean? Like, that's a normal thing. And going back, like, with the swearing, I do swear a lot. And it's not because I'm intentionally trying to offend someone. And that's where, just like Laura said, I will censor myself based off my audience if I know that there's someone in there who will be offended. Like, my mother is a great example. My mother never swears, okay? She's like a very devout Mormon woman.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:08:15]:
And sometimes she's like, could you please trust me?

Jennifer Bagley [00:08:18]:
Stop.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:08:19]:
And I'm like, okay, sorry, Mom. And so I'll stop. You know, and sometimes I have some friends who they do not swear ever. And so I try when I'm talking to them not to say it, but they're my friends and they know me and my personality and that this is how I emphasize and communicate. So they're not, like, they're okay with it. Now, if you're someone who absolutely cannot stand to hear it, and you're going to judge me and judge my character and who I am as a person or maybe my relationship with Christ or something like that, because I swear, like, you're just. I'm not. I'm definitely not your cup of tea, and you should not be around me.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:08:51]:
We are definitely not aligned, you know, but if I know that you're offended by it, I'll do my best to censor it the best that I can.

Jennifer Bagley [00:09:00]:
I think the biggest thing is, and this is what I appreciate about both of you, like, to my soul, I know we don't spend a tremendous amount of time together, but you have to know I absolutely freaking love both of you because you're authentic. And I actually have the grand, greatest love for both of you as humans, because I know what I'm going to get from you is real. I don't care how it comes across. I don't have to wonder what you're thinking. I don't have to wonder if you like me. I don't have to wonder if you appreciate or like what I said or what I'm doing or what I did, or whatever it is, because whatever comes out of either one of your mouths, I'm going to get the truth. And that is so much for me and my personality style that is so much easier to deal with than being unsure. When I'm visiting with someone, if their intentions are in alignment, if they believe, or if the words that are coming out of their mouth actually have any value at all, or if they're just words.

Jennifer Bagley [00:09:53]:
So I. Neither one of you should change because I think you're both freaking brilliant. And I appreciate the fact that you are authentically you. And it doesn't mean that everyone's going to like what you say. I would personally pay to have relationships in my life that are like you, that come across with factual information. And when. When you say truth, you guys, there's a difference. And this is for the audience, not for you guys, because I know you know this, but there is a difference.

Jennifer Bagley [00:10:20]:
There is truth. That is your perception of the truth based on your experiences. And then there's truth like gravity. I jump from building, I hit ground, I might die.

Jennifer Bagley [00:10:31]:
Right? And a lot of people, I think that they're perception of the world is just simply, literally a sequence of events of human beings. Whether it's parent training or school training or who they've surrounded their self with or their experiences. Because they've never consciously paused long enough to say why. Like is that the truth? Or is that just the truth to me? And I think you guys naturally, whatever, whatever, however it got into you, both of you naturally are why Seekers, you're constantly trying to figure out, is that the truth or is it just the truth to me? And it comes across in everything that you do. And everyone that's surrounded by you, they have a frickin blessing. Because these two ladies, it's hard to get friends like that. I have lots of people that are like, that's the best you've ever done. You're amazing.

Laura Kelly [00:11:23]:
And that's not how we grow it, it's it. I think it's number one, at least for me. I don't. If a person claims to know it all, I immediately become suspicious.

Laura Kelly [00:11:38]:
Like none of us know it all. And, and like the capacity to like have some humility in like, yeah, I, you know, relatively skilled at this thing. But is there something I'm not seeing?

Jennifer Bagley [00:11:54]:
Yeah, what did I miss?

Laura Kelly [00:11:55]:
Yeah, what did I, what did I miss? And I believe, as if we really want to experience like depth and realness.

Laura Kelly [00:12:10]:
Of relationships and friendships, we've gotta put ourselves around people that we've got to value people who speak truth into us. I don't want anyone just blowing smoke. I, I don't, I don't. I can see, I can see through it and people can see through it. Like, I, I don't, I just don't. I don't know why. I don't know. Maybe there's opportunity for growing there for me that like, maybe it's okay to, for people to.

Laura Kelly [00:12:35]:
I don't know, I just value.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:12:36]:
I think you're an a player, A. Players like pressure, right? Don't feed me a line of bullshit. I don't have time. Not about me. No. I don't need anyone to pat me on the back. I can clap for my own self. I mean, I love my friends and all of that, but they're clapping when I do a good job.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:12:49]:
When I don't, they're like, oh, you know, you, you screwed that up, girl. Like, you know, that was not it, you know, with that. And so, and I think that it Comes back to being a leader as well, with your leadership. One thing that I learned the other day, I think it was Jen McKee was teaching it, that when you are yourself, when you show up authentically you, which means you're vulnerable, because none of us are perfect. So when I show up authentically me, I dress a little different than most people in a trades. Trades boardroom. You know, I'm a woman in the trades, which is a little different, right? I wear a ponytail, and halfway through the day, it sags to the side. So I'm literally walking around a trades business running things with a side ponytail in my hair.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:13:38]:
I talk a little bit different, right? I show up online like this all of the time. I've been very upfront about my weight loss journey and my plans to have liposuction and all of these things. And what happens is. And this is like, so social science. When you show up authentically yourself in your vulnerability, you give others the permission to do the same. And that's where the leadership comes in. Because if I sit over here and hide all of my inequities and all my vulnerabilities and, you know, only show the highlight reel of my life, that's all that the people who I lead now, I'm not just talking about my employees. I'm talking about every person that follows me on social media, every person that's inspired by me in different areas, Any person who looks to me.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:14:25]:
Now, I feel a moral responsibility here as a leader. Anyone who looks to me and is inspired and. And mimics and replicates, you know, and is following behind me as a leader, I'm laying the path, right? The trailblazer, brick by brick. And there are women behind me. There's lots of people behind me, you know, And I take that responsibility very seriously, that if I only show up as this perfect version of myself, that that's going to be their perception of me and that that's not attainable for them and feel less than. There's a reason when I go to different events and stuff like that. We were just at the sisterhood event. I made sure that the way I was dressed wasn't, you know, too fancy, that anyone else would feel that they were underdressed.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:15:10]:
And I think. And the reality is, I wear leggings and Costco sweatshirts all the time. That's what I wear. I wear Costco clothes. I love my Costco clothes. I have some Louis Vuitton. I have some Gucci, Dolce and Gabbana. I love that Chanel coach I've got a whole bunch of that, okay? But on a daily basis, I got on like some crappy black sneakers.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:15:33]:
Today I've got on jeans from Old Navy, I think. And this is a very prestigious Stanford hoodie. But that's what I wear on a regular basis, and that's what most other women wear too. If I show up always on social media, if I show up to these events dressed head to toe with red bottom shoes, you know what I mean? And, and my Gucci stuff, if people think that that's what I wear all the time, and the people who are walking the path behind me, that's what they're attaining to. That doesn't really bring them real happiness and joy. That doesn't really make them feel good about themselves. That's not giving them permission to show up in their authentic self in their Costco jeans. And there is nothing wrong with showing up in Costco jeans or hoodies or whatever underwear, okay? I don't know what they sell at Costco anymore.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:16:17]:
I actually haven't been in a really long time. But it's the analogy, right, that, that you've got there. And that's part about leading, is being authentically yourself because it gives permission to be authentically themselves. And that's where people's real greatness is going to come from. When they say, hey, this is who I am deep down inside. Let me shine and let that light shine. And that gives other people the, the permission to do it themselves too. And I think that's really important.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:16:44]:
That's why even when I don't want to, or I feel like nobody cares what I think, or I don't want to show this picture with no makeup, or why is my stomach hanging over my pants in this picture? I'm not gonna post it. Let me Photoshop that out real quick. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know, and that's why we're talking about cougar puberty and perimenopause. Because women, you know, we went nine years old. This shit is hitting. I am like waking up in the sweats in the night, you know what I mean? Like, irritable as hell, ready to kill somebody half the time. My skin is changing my.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:17:21]:
Okay, now I'm getting into it. Never mind. I'll say. Like, we're not gonna talk about menstrual cycles. What the happened? What happened? Where'd it go? Where does it come? Why is it happening like this? What the is going on? You know what I mean? Why aren't we talking about that because we all want. Oh, I'm going through the change. Something's wrong with me. Like this 20, 25, give me some drugs or something, you know, to get me through this.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:17:42]:
And then they tell you, like, oh, yeah, you're just. It's hormonal. How long is this gonna last? A month, week? How long periods lost? A week, right? Oh, three to five years. What? Y' all went through this for three to five years and never said anything?

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:17:57]:
You got me complaining on day one. I'm gonna tell you all what it's like. The whole time you're gonna know, but in the middle, I am gonna get some liposuction, so I'm gonna look like a brand new woman. You're gonna think I'm spring chicken going through menopause.

Jennifer Bagley [00:18:10]:
Side note, this is.

Laura Kelly [00:18:11]:
This is.

Jennifer Bagley [00:18:12]:
Oh, my God, this podcast is going to go south real quick. So 30 days. 30 days after I had a full hysterectomy, 30 days later, I had a speaking event for a national. I'm not going to say which company, but manufacturer. Get up on stage and I have one of those little cooling fans on because I was dripping so much that I had rain coming from my eyelashes. Just rain dripping down in my glasses. I'm having to window wash my glasses with my fingers. Every couple seconds.

Jennifer Bagley [00:18:41]:
The guy comes up anyway. No. Because he watches this podcast. You know who you are and you know what you said, and you know it was wrong.

Laura Kelly [00:18:51]:
You know the cr. The. The thing that I feel like if people pretend to be perfect, it gives. So it causes so many other talented people to not even try.

Laura Kelly [00:19:01]:
Like, I remember after. After both our kids, I went straight back into work and I was struggling, like, in all sorts of ways. I remember I was at. I think it was service world, and I was like, sweat. I was. I went on hormones to try and readjust my freaking. To try and readjust my. I didn't have time to, like, naturally get back on course.

Laura Kelly [00:19:23]:
So I just threw some hormones and my body that was guided by a doctor that wasn't actually great at the time, and I would. I was breaking out in sweat. And I guess. I guess, like, the message is, number one, I would rather a person have more time to, like, actually heal or whatever. But the bigger message here is like, shit, you can struggle and still do the thing. Anyway, I. I find myself saying this to so many people. Yeah, so, so, so, so many people, if they face hardship, they encounter it.

Laura Kelly [00:19:54]:
Typically what happens is they either fold or they. They either fold and they, you know, lie in bed and everything's terrible, or they pretend everything's fine and they push through and eventually they blow up. The more the, the way. The, the more real and sustainable way to, like, embrace life, because life is bloody hard. It's great and it's hard. It's great and it's hard is to acknowledge what is and do the thing anyway. So, like, I spoke with someone yesterday. I forget what.

Laura Kelly [00:20:26]:
Oh, yeah, I remember. And this lady is doing some really cool business stuff, but she's. But also some hardships and she's going through some stuff personally and she's just pushing through. And instead of pushing through and trying to suppress all that she's dealing with, instead, she's now going to say, yeah, shit's hard, but you know what? I'm a tough. She said, tough cookie. Yep. Thank you. I'm a tough cookie and I'm gonna.

Laura Kelly [00:20:55]:
And I'm. I'm gonna do the thing anyway. So, yes, this is hard, but I'm a tough cookie and I'm gonna do the thing anyway. So, like, anyone listening, acknowledge your reality and then adopt, like, empowering language. Don't ignore your reality. Try and suppress it or don't. Like, like. But two things can be true.

Laura Kelly [00:21:12]:
You can. Shit can be hard and you can do the thing anyway.

Jennifer Bagley [00:21:15]:
You.

Laura Kelly [00:21:15]:
You could have come so far and still want to keep doing more. You don't have to be so pissed that you're so far away from where you want to go. You could acknowledge all that you've done and still want to go further. So many people say, like, I'm going to be happy when I sell my business, or I'm going to be happy when I finish menopause, or I'm going to be. Life would be better when the kids leave the house, or our life will be better when we finally hit profitability.

Laura Kelly [00:21:43]:
The emotions you experience along the journey will be how you will be what you feel at the destination. So if you feel like absolute shite right now, wherever you think you'll feel better. But the whole journey, if I like shite, you'll feel like shite there. There too. So the work is like acknowledging what is and adopting resourceful thoughts to proceed anyway.

Jennifer Bagley [00:22:06]:
So if, if the reality is, no matter how difficult anything is, eventually you know you'll overcome it, Right? If you have the ability to choose, why not just choose to overcome it sooner?

Laura Kelly [00:22:19]:
Yeah. Like, ask yourself, who would be who? Who. Who the heck could help me get through this easier? Like, I don't. Life. Life isn't meant to be Done alone. Like, okay, I, and I've, I've spoke about this openly. I've had mental health challenges. Who do I need to talk to to get me help? I've, I've had business challenges.

Laura Kelly [00:22:38]:
Who do I need to talk to to get me help? None of this shit's supposed to be done alone. But if we don't, if we're not, if we don't speak candidly about the shite that we're going through, because we're all going through some sort of shite, no one ever has the capacity to help or service.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:22:51]:
Yeah, it comes down to, you know, I loved what you said, Laura, about the real lesson is you can do it anyways. So when we show up authentically, ourselves in our vulnerability, and people say, wait, she's not perfect, but she's doing that anyways. I think there was a lesson for me when I've done some things and I've come out and said, oh my gosh, I was scared to death to do this. And I was so scared and I was self critical and self doubting and all of these things, and I did it anyways. The response that I usually get from people is like, oh my gosh, really? Like you were doubting it, you weren't confident? What do you mean? And I think people think that when you see people who operate at high levels and you see high performers, that it's easy for them. We were talking about social media. We're doing social media training recently with a group of people and they said, well, like people like Catherine, it might come easy to them, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. None of this is easy.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:23:53]:
Easier for me to post every day, to show up on live video, all of these things. It's not any easier that for me than it is for anyone else. The difference between, between me and you, as I do it, okay, I keep doing it, all right? And it doesn't mean that it's easy and it doesn't mean that every single day Today, you know, December 3rd, 2025, I've been doing live videos for more than 10 years, okay? When they just made live videos on Facebook, a thing. I was in a group that had challenged to go live every single day at noon for 30 days, okay? And that's been since 2015. I actually know that for a fact. 10 years we've been doing video on Facebook. I've been doing it for 10 years. So still, when I hit live today, I'm gonna feel, does anyone wanna watch this? Am I gonna sound stupid? Is my Energy, Correct.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:24:42]:
All of the same doubts, fears and anxieties that everyone else hits. And the difference is some of us hit the button and some of us don't, you know, and are you one of the people who hits the button or are you not? And if we pretend that we're perfect and I didn't doubt myself before I hit that button, no one's gonn permission when they're standing there in self doubt to hit the button anyways. And I think like Laura said, that's where the main lesson comes in, is that everyone that's doing all of these things, these people that you look up to, these people that are inspiring you, these people with these perceived supercharged confidence levels, we still experience the self doubt, we still experience the fear. We are incredibly self critical. All right? We judge ourselves way worse than anyone else. However, we always take the next step. And I think that's the lesson.

Jennifer Bagley [00:25:34]:
It is. I don't, I think it's interesting when I hear people tell me about me because I, a lot of times they'll say, well, you have no problem getting on stage. Did you notice that before somebody mic'd me up, I was hiding in a corner at every event by myself in a little corner, Lucky to come out of the bathroom five minutes before I need to speak. Because I am a recluse. Every time I go to an event, I know you guys have seen me at events. I will find one chair, I will stay in that seat, I will stay away from everyone else. It takes, it takes an act of God to get me to go out and shake hands and have conversations with everyone there. But everyone thinks speaking is easy.

Jennifer Bagley [00:26:13]:
No, I do it because I, that's, that's what I need to do for my business every day. I would rather be chilling in my living room drinking.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:26:21]:
I say, you're not doing it for you, you are serving. When I show up to speak, I am serving the people. And I pray that I have a message that impacts them, that they understand and they can apply to their life. I would say one of my best speaking engagements where I did it was like a 45 minute speech in front of around 1800 people beforehand. 30 minutes before I went on stage, I was upstairs in my hotel room, dry heaving, puking out of nerves, very calm, but dry heaving. And I was thinking in my mind, what if I can't stop throwing up? Like, I've only got 30 minutes before Joe Casero is on stage before me. And he was going overtime, thank God with that. But I'm like, what am I going to do if I can't go down there.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:27:03]:
And I remember going down from my hotel room and waiting backstage and watching Joe and, like, running through my stuff in my mind and not being able to feel my heartbeat, not being able to breathe, being so scared to go out there. But, you know, when they called my name, I walked out. I miked up, they put my slides up, and I got through. And I. I've developed relationships from that room that are serving me now. But we show up to speak, to serve, and we're still scared. I think everything we do, showing up on social media, anytime you're putting yourself out there and people are going to discover your vulnerabilities, that's scary. But you know what it is? I ain't scared.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:27:42]:
No, I'm scared.

Laura Kelly [00:27:43]:
And you know, the. You're gonna look back. We're all gonna look back. Like, I. I know this, right? I know that there's gonna be like, five years from now, I'm gonna look back at a video I posted yesterday. I'm gonna be like, oh, like, oh, gosh. Like, I. I won't even be able.

Laura Kelly [00:27:57]:
Somebody, Somebody, somebody. A guy called Vicks Fetlada, he's listening to this. He sent me, like, a week ago, maybe two weeks ago, a video that I sent him six years ago, trying to sell him on our program. I couldn't even watch the thing. I was like, I can't even watch the thing. And I. That's just gonna happen.

Jennifer Bagley [00:28:16]:
But.

Laura Kelly [00:28:16]:
But. But, like, it's what's required to get to where you really want to go. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's required. It's like, the shit that's required is never going to not be required. So, like, you either do it or you accept that you won't hit your dream or that you won't hit your potential.

Jennifer Bagley [00:28:31]:
I literally watch both of you. I have massive anxiety about doing a single video by myself. I don't know if you've noticed, I've never done a live stream. And when I put video out there, most of the time I put music to it because I'm scared to death to go live. I'll do this because we're just having a conversation, but when I see you guys go live on there, I'm like, jesus, I'm supposed to be doing this.

Laura Kelly [00:28:52]:
I watched.

Jennifer Bagley [00:28:54]:
I did one today, but I think I've done two in a year. I posted one. I record it. Took me eight times this morning to get it done. I know I need to do that more often.

Jennifer Bagley [00:29:06]:
We just have to do these. I think there's two things. So, one, I think we all just choose. We decide, and we commit and we go. And I'm going to get better at that. On this single video thing that I have, the thoughts come to my head and I want to get it out. I just don't. I think about it and I'm like, well, invite somebody on a podcast so we can talk about it then.

Jennifer Bagley [00:29:23]:
So I have a friend.

Laura Kelly [00:29:26]:
Do it then.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:29:27]:
It's true. It's hard. I've been doing it for years. I mean, you can look back and see videos of me with these long, blonde, braided pigtails while I'm doing cooking videos on my strawberry farm in Wisconsin, okay? With hundreds of thousands of views. Costco hauls. I used to be the Costco hall queen in Keto. Okay? I was on every platform. You could still go back and see my videos from that time.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:29:53]:
I had red hair, blonde hair, switched it up, all of that kind of stuff, you know, and it's really hard to go live because there's no redo. You're just on there live. And you. As you know, it's a skill, and you have to become comfortable. One thing that I like to remember, whether I'm showing up on stage, whether I'm showing up on live, whether I'm showing up in a meeting in a boardroom or a training center with a team, is that there are people who are here to hear my message. And they're going to hear it. They're going to understand it, and it's going to impact them. And there are people who are just here to judge me.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:30:26]:
There are people who aren't going to understand my message, and it's not going to impact them. There are people who. Who are just going to look at me, to criticize me, to make themselves feel superior and better about themselves. That's a great trait a lot of women have. A lot of men do, But a lot of women with that, I have to remind myself I am showing up for the people who can hear me, the people who understand me, and the people who I'm going to impact today, even if that's just one. And I'm going to show up for them. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Live.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:30:58]:
And that's what I do. You have to. I have to remind myself all the time. I'm showing up for that one person that needs me to show up today. Everyone else cannot.

Laura Kelly [00:31:05]:
False.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:31:06]:
You know, and f. And that's the thing. I learned that skill at some point in time, you go, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Live, and you hit the little red button and then it goes live and you're gone. 3, 2, 1. You're connected and live, and you just go for it and you become more comfortable. It's never easy. You have the same.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:31:22]:
I still do 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Live and hit live. And I've been going live on multiple platforms for a decade now, you know, and. But one thing in the social media class I was just in as well. Here's a question from Gary V. Do you want to impact the world in your life? Do you want to impact the world? Do you want to have an impact here? Okay.

Jennifer Bagley [00:31:43]:
Yeah.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:31:43]:
You have to be visible. You have to be seen and heard. There's no hiding and making an impact. There's no, you know, only putting your performance reel out there, only putting your highlight reel and making an impact. Like, you have got to show up you in your own unique vessel of greatness, you've got to show up as authentically you with your power. Right? Because that can't be duplicated or copied by anyone else. We need the greatest version of you. And you've got to be loud and you've got to be proud.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:32:11]:
All right, Like I told. I told the scissor the other day in the kickoff call, Stephanie Allen is sending them all seasoned assists. She's preparing my paperwork. All right. We are seasoned and desisted from acting like we're not fucking great. We are seasoned and desisted from acting like we don't have any power. We are seasoned and desisted from acting like we cannot change our situation and who we are and what's going on in our lives. Like, seize and desist.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:32:35]:
That is over. Because that's what we sink into. And then we don't. We don't come out and be the greatest version of ourselves.

Jennifer Bagley [00:32:42]:
I'm going to give you another cease and desist because it's. I. I probably talk to 12 business owners a day on one hour long, deep conversations. Number one excuse. I'm busy. And I'm going to add to it. My version is you're busy being busy sitting in a rocking chair, going nowhere. How's it working? Yeah, that's rocking chair syndrome.

Laura Kelly [00:33:05]:
You know, what I, what I. What I felt called to say many different times today was if we can get clear on what we value and act accordingly versus what we feel, life freaking change. It, like, really dramatically changes. When I first heard, like, know what your values are? I'm like, that's just kind of soft shite. Like, I'm all right, I don't need that. But, gosh, when I was forced to go through that activity, it true. It true life on its head in the best kind of way. So a lot of.

Laura Kelly [00:33:35]:
A lot of people think they know their values. But if you study your behavior or if you look at your calendar, if you look at your bank account, if you look where your energy is going, that'll tell you what you actually value. So absolutely like that. And that, like what I used to value unconsciously was it. I wanted to achieve above all else. But that was driven from a wound of needing to prove a thing. That's kind of a. That kind of valuing that will burn you out over time.

Laura Kelly [00:34:04]:
So, like, identifying what you.

Jennifer Bagley [00:34:07]:
It will also cause somebody to push away the very thing they want. All their attitudes will go exactly the.

Laura Kelly [00:34:13]:
Opposite, become far too emotional because your whole identity is tied to that thing. The. The. So it's very. What I tell people to do is get clear on what your, like, most fulfilled version of life looks like. I call it your rich life. And then ask yourself, what does that person have to value? And then. And then use your values to, like, determine your emotional state and your goals are the thing that pushes you.

Laura Kelly [00:34:37]:
So, like, if I read out some of my values here, like, one of my values is my top value after I consciously chose because all my old values that were, like, subconsciously driven and driven from trauma and all that was like, achievement, prove yourself, and all this crap is my first one is warmth. Second is calm. Third is health, vitality. Fourth is growth. But then a lot of people have. Not a lot. Not a lot. Everyone.

Laura Kelly [00:35:03]:
Everyone has rules associated with their values. So you have to ask yourself, okay, if warmth is your top value, what has to be true in order for you to experience? Or you might have old values like I had. You might have all values. That is like, my old value was achievement. And my rule I had associated with it. When I asked myself what has to be true in order for me to experience achievement, it was, I have to make a global impact and be recognized globally for it in order for me to experience achievement. And it was my top bloody value. I was going to be miserable until the day I died.

Jennifer Bagley [00:35:35]:
If I die early trying to get.

Laura Kelly [00:35:37]:
It 100%, I'd have died early trying to get it, and I'd have been probably addicted to clonazepam because I'd have needed to be, like, for real. So we all have these subconscious values that are driving our Life. So your job, if you're listening to this, is what does the most fulfilled version of me need to value? And then what are rules? I'm going to make a. So I'm going to, I'm going to associate with those values. So it's. So those values are wildly achievable, meaning I can experience them. So like if I pick out warmth here, anytime I act loving or have love in my heart or have loving energy, so like that shit's so achievable.

Laura Kelly [00:36:11]:
Another like my one for growth is anytime I improve at anything or anytime I expand my knowledge, I am growing, then my goals are more aggressive and they force me to grow. So sometimes we're just so unnecessarily hard on ourselves because we don't like, study some old shitty patterns that we've kind of, you know, caught while we've been navigating life. So I would encourage you to ask yourself that and then make, and then don't make it. I had a, I had a client and I've asked him, would he be comfortable me sharing this. I'm not going to tell you his name, but he, he, he's. His top value was love, but which is actually a really gorgeous value. Way frickin. Universally it's way healthier than achievement love.

Laura Kelly [00:36:54]:
But I asked him, so I asked him what needs to be true in order for you to experience love? And he says, my wife, my wife has to initiate sex with me every night in order for me to experience love. When he realized that, he was like, number one, I'm probably getting in the way of my, of me getting sex because I'm probably seeming like a dick. And secondly, so I don't want to put that on her. Like we all have shitty rules associated with values. But, but, but we also often have like crappy values. So if you're the kind of person that you're unnecessarily hard on yourself.

Laura Kelly [00:37:28]:
A starting step to become less hard on yourself is, is identify what the most fulfilled version of you looks like. And what does that person have to value? And start living from that place and make peace with your imperfections because you're always going to be imperfect. It's not about never being perfect. It's about. I had a team member of mine and she was, she got on a call with me and she was pissed off at herself because she blew up on her husband and she's like, I should be more evolved in that to grow up on my, to, to blow up on my husband. And I said, so you're telling me that, you're telling me that you have this standard for yourself that you're never allowed blow up. I said, girl, that's not real. The work is blowing up less often and getting back on track faster.

Laura Kelly [00:38:08]:
You're gonna blow up, you're gonna lose your shit. We all lose our shit. It's ideally, the work is making it happen less. And when we do lose our shit or fall off the wagon on a habit we're trying to maintain, the work is getting back on track faster and falling off the wagon a little less. It's not. It never happening. Like, we're. We're human.

Laura Kelly [00:38:28]:
We're going to make mistakes. And, and that's, that's why, like, you know, we. We do the thing anyway, even if we're freaking scared, because that fear is probably never going to go away.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:38:41]:
I don't think that it does. I don't think that that fear ever goes away. And I love. Like, what do you just say there? And I've been following Laura and participating in her trainings for some time and doing that work on my own. And like, I think that it's important that it's okay if that changes. I think a lot of times our values. What I discovered in my work with Laura was that my values were subconscious things. Like she talked about with achieving mine was safety.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:39:08]:
And it was subconscious things that I had ridiculous rules for. In order to be safe, I had to constantly be protecting myself with all of these different walls that I would put up and through all of these different avenues, you know, whether it was in relationships or financially, you know, the, you know, earning money was a way to keep myself safe. So I placed that above family and everything else for some time that you start to learn, oh, this is why I'm behaving that way, because of subconsciously valuing these things that actually don't bring me purpose, joy and fulfillment, but what does bring me purpose, joy and fulfillment. And then you can start to create new rules around that. Like Laura was talking about. I've been, you know, doing this training myself, you know, following Laura and her guideline. I think I'm just plugging Laura. Are you having a program that's going to be available here coming soon? I think everyone should do it.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:40:03]:
If you only. Only if you have a desire to have a life filled with purpose and joy and fulfillment. And I think that what motivates you can change over time. And like, you just talked about, like, the. Your rich life, right? So I've been doing this work, Laura knows I've been identifying SAFET and what's important to me and like, you know, identifying new things now something just changed. Like, this would be my. I'm going to announce it here on this podcast, very highly likely within. This makes me emotional.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:40:35]:
In the next week or two, I will be a former owner of lease. I don't know why I'm emotional because. Because I'm gonna. I'm gonna take my chips off the table there. My life in that moment changes dramatically. Right? What brings me purpose and joy and fulfillment in that moment may change dramatically because it's no longer about safety. Right. And so I'm so grateful that I'm doing this work ahead of time.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:41:05]:
I've already sat down and identified what brings me purpose, joy and fulfillment and what are the rules around that. And now my rich life can come in and support those things. And so I want to go back, back to plugging you. Laura. Witness. Do you know when that program should be available? When should people be watching out for it?

Laura Kelly [00:41:24]:
I'm actually sitting here in my studio because.

Laura Kelly [00:41:28]:
I. It's the same shit that we've talked about. I want it to be so perfect that I've avoided putting it out into the world.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:41:35]:
Like, please and assist.

Laura Kelly [00:41:37]:
It doesn't. It doesn't touch it. So that. Yeah, so. So I've actually, I sat. I've sat in this. This. I'm in our studio right now, and it's become my office for the.

Laura Kelly [00:41:46]:
Because I. I'm just forcing myself to hit record and. And I have a lot of people asking me for it. So it forces me to, like, stop being a selfish. Get out of the way.

Jennifer Bagley [00:41:57]:
Commit to the date. When's it going to release? Just commit to the date. I'm. Right now.

Laura Kelly [00:42:01]:
Yeah, it's being released January 1st.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:42:03]:
January, we are ready.

Laura Kelly [00:42:06]:
We are ready. I'm really proud of it. It's definitely going to be. It's definitely going to be the game.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:42:11]:
Everyone's waiting. Everyone's waiting on it. We're all participating because why, like, doesn't everyone want more purpose, joy and fulfillment? Some people aren't ready for that. Understand? But there is a pathway to get there.

Laura Kelly [00:42:23]:
Some people aren't ready for. Some people aren't ready for me to lovingly speak what's real into them. I do believe I have the capacity to hold you in that discomfort. But, yeah, I would definitely say the person that's most ready for this is they're really hungry for their next level of fulfillment. And I'd be. I'd be Honored. But yeah. Is the program perfect? If it was perfect, I don't think I'd ever launched.

Laura Kelly [00:42:49]:
If I. I don't think I'd ever launch the thing. Is it badass? Yeah, I'm proud of it.

Jennifer Bagley [00:42:53]:
I love.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:42:54]:
Yes. No, I don't think it's ever perfect. I think it will be perfect. It'll be exactly what it needs to be for exactly who it's supposed to be for. And that's when I was gonna launch. And, you know, I did it super quick and super messy because that's kind of my style. And people, you know, let me get it together later on, stuff like that. But people needed that in that moment.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:43:15]:
And I think it's just going to feed into the next level with what you're launching on January 1st. Especially women in business, because we're like a few, a smaller group. We are women that are motivated by money, motivated by power. We love numbers. We serve people, right. In business is just a way to do that, right? You can do anything, you can be a religious figure, Mother Teresa, whatever, and you can serve people. But providing an income for someone, I think is one of the most righteous religious things that you can do. Providing an income for someone is how they feed the families and provide opportunities for the people that they depend them on.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:43:53]:
Depend on them. So I think a lot of us business women, we're driven by that power to give, to give to people. And business women, we love revenue exceeding expenses. We love spreadsheets and profit margins. We love leading people, you know, all of these different things. But we might not like, you know, watching our kids baseball game, talking to the other moms about the brunch that's happening on Saturday in their cute little pink dresses, like, no, I don't care. I don't care. I don't give a.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:44:25]:
About your brunch. No, I don't care about your dress that you've been spending. You order four separate dresses for a party on Friday night. You know what? I'm going to wear my fucking Costco dress, right? Because it's hanging in my closet. And I'm going to forget about the fucking party. And I'm going to be mad that I have to go on Friday night. That's what. Okay? And we don't find women just lingering all around town who we communicate and relate to, okay? And then we know as business women, we're constantly, we're in this business constantly growing and developing, right? But we only can grow and develop our business to the rate at which we grow and develop Ourselves.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:44:56]:
So we're constantly plugged into the self development. And for some reason for us, you know, that's like, oh, you're like your little hula sugar plum group, whatever it is. But when you pull together a bunch of business women who are like minded, who can relate on these type of topics, like, there's incredible development and connection and networking that's happening. And it was so needed for us to say, oh, like you're experiencing Penny perimenopause like me and speaking in front of 50 technicians in the morning with your fan. You know, what about one of those fans? I don't own one. I had like a menopause hot flash at Laura's event and one of her employees who recently had a hysterectomy had the fan, as she put it, on me. I'm like, this is. You're saving my life right now.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:45:47]:
I felt like they were giving me like, you know, reviving me heart back to life, you know, And I would have never even known what that fan was for. But we connected on that. And you see, like, it's okay to be going through hot flashes and have your fan on you in front of your computer in the office, right? Or the other different things that women. We always talk about, like balancing a family and work. Like, this is 2025, okay? There's so much more than balancing the family. What the are the men doing? Aren't they balancing in the family too? All right, like what the hell is going on here? But I think that's like all, it's all just part of it being authentically who we are, showing up and wanting to progress. It might not be the norm. Maybe a lot of women are okay, going to their kids baseball games in the afternoon, going to brunch with the ladies on Sunday.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:46:37]:
Every once in a while they might get crazy and put on a sexy dress for their husband spins on, whatever, you know what I mean? And like we're over here, like health insurance premiums went up by $280,000 and I need to cut the check. I don't give a. About your crochet. I don't give a.

Laura Kelly [00:46:56]:
Last week.

Jennifer Bagley [00:46:59]:
Oh my goodness. Okay, so I'm just gonna say this to sum all of this up. I think the average human being is running around like a blind chicken with its head cut off, not paying attention to anything, busy being busy living in a rocking chair and not self assessing. And I think if anything, you come out of this regardless of your thoughts on our style here.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:47:18]:
I think they love it.

Jennifer Bagley [00:47:20]:
I. I Hope that they do. You know, I would say this, and then I'll come back to the final thoughts here. I would say this, that when you live in this space, I know these ladies understand what this space equals. It does mean that you're laying your cards out for feedback.

Laura Kelly [00:47:40]:
Yeah.

Jennifer Bagley [00:47:40]:
And the more you lay yourself out there, the bigger the feedback is going to be good and bad. The middle is invisible.

Jennifer Bagley [00:47:52]:
The middle is invisible. It doesn't help as a business owner. So get over it. Get comfortable being uncomfortable right now. You either are seen and you take the cards as they lay. I know I get plenty of feedback.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:48:07]:
Is that what we're calling it?

Laura Kelly [00:48:10]:
Feedback? Okay.

Jennifer Bagley [00:48:14]:
The difference is what I seen in this space is we are consciously aware, not unconsciously unaware. Not consciously unaware. Consciously aware. Which means you have to be sitting in a position where you are constantly self assessing and able to take whatever the truth may be, good, bad and indifferent, and say, so what? What's next? What's the mission? Go get it. And we do it every day. You guys are freaking amazing at it.

Laura Kelly [00:48:49]:
As are you, girl. And I know we're rapping here, but like I, I met I.

Laura Kelly [00:48:56]:
Before I knew you, I first got to like spend time with your husband. And we've all like in this past two years that I've known both of you more intimately. We've, we've both, we've all risen our floors. Like we've all had. Had. We've all Our, our belief in selves have risen some. We've healed some. And that's the work.

Laura Kelly [00:49:18]:
Sometimes it's not about reaching our potential. It's about raising our floor so we can like get out of our own freaking way and make happen. Yeah. And yeah, I'm grateful to know the two of you. And like anyone listening to this, you're waiting for perfection. You're never going to start. Just start. Be crappy.

Laura Kelly [00:49:34]:
The people that are going to judge you, you don't really flip those people anyway. And there'll be people like Jennifer and Catherine and me that will love to, love to see you being brave. Yeah, I love that.

Jennifer Bagley [00:49:48]:
Catherine, any final.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:49:50]:
I agree. I think that, I think both of you guys wrapped it up so well and I think my last final thought would be to lean on your support system. It's really hard to be a woman in business who has to, you know, pay the increasing health insurance premium, who has payroll coming up. That's a do. Who's trying to stay on the edge of innovation and technology and learn new skill sets. It doesn't even Matter what business you're in, if you're in business, it's really hard to be a driver sometimes. But. But if that's what makes you happy and that's what you want to do and that's what brings you purpose and joy and fulfillment, it does me like I'm gonna wake up and kill kind of person.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:50:34]:
That's okay. And find people, find the community. If there's not a community out there, create one for yourself and then lean into those people. Quit listening to the people that have known you all your life and have some pre judged notions about who you are and what you can do. And then you can stop believing those things. Season assist. I think I'm gonna have to put Stephanie, like back into attorney business specializing in season assist orders. All my friends are going to start getting served.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:51:01]:
I'm like, what the is this, Catherine? But it's true. We just need to stop with that nonsense. I would say, Gen, when people talk about you, I consider us like old friends. I'm like, I met her like long time ago at an event. Like, we've talked, we've come connected on social media. I know everything going on in her life through social media. I followed her on her business journey. You know, speaking in all of this, like, no, me and Jenna are great friends.

Laura Kelly [00:51:24]:
What do you.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:51:25]:
I mean, I realized like, we haven't spent a lot of time together, anything like that. But I've looked up to you. I've been inspired by you, still look up to you, and I'm inspired by you. And you're really one of those trailblazers, right? Building a big business, a reputable business, serving customers in the industry, laying those bricks by bricks in front of you because you know that there's a lot of people behind you. And I followed that journey as long as I've known you. Similar with Laura. We've met. And I would say there's nothing the same about my life today than the day I met you.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:51:54]:
Jane. Jen.

Jennifer Bagley [00:51:55]:
Yeah.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:51:55]:
I don't look the same. My bank account certainly isn't the same. God. Because it was probably in the negative in that situation. That was before Fetch a Tech sold that I met you. You know what I mean? Like all of these different things. And I think that's just worst sample of all of the people like you as being a leader. Jen, you know, you've, you've laid those bricks where we're coming a little bit easier behind you and doing our own things.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:52:21]:
And I think that that's what lean into the people who have done what you want to do for the people who you have the same mindset and. And. And you can relate to and surround yourself with those people.

Jennifer Bagley [00:52:33]:
I agree. Choose wisely. Choose wisely. Your ability to pick the people you surround yourself with influences everything, ladies. Keep living, keep being you. I appreciate your authentic self more than you could possibly know. I appreciate your time. I know both of your time is really valuable.

Jennifer Bagley [00:52:54]:
I hope everyone took something out of this and is going to wake up tomorrow morning feeling more empowered, more go get it. And I don't care if you drop an F bomb when you wake up and say, let's go, let's go get it.

Laura Kelly [00:53:07]:
Yes.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:53:08]:
Hold on.

Laura Kelly [00:53:08]:
Smile, smile, smile.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:53:09]:
I'm going to take a screenshot.

Jennifer Bagley [00:53:10]:
Let's go.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:53:12]:
All right, hold on, Jenny. We're doing one more time. All right, there we go.

Jennifer Bagley [00:53:16]:
Live on the podcast. Let's go, you guys. All right, I love you guys.

Laura Kelly [00:53:20]:
Cheers, guys. Love you both. Bye.

Kathryn Elizabeth [00:53:24]:
Bye.