Wealth Independence Podcast
The Wealth Independence Podcast guides high-income tech professionals through proven strategies for building passive income and achieving true financial independence.
Hosts Dustin Bailey and Adam Penn share battle-tested frameworks, real-world case studies, and hard-won lessons from their years of experience in private markets and alternative investments. Each week, they break down complex investment concepts, analyze current market trends, and interview successful investors and industry experts.
Through a freedom-first approach that emphasizes passive income, smart diversification, and thorough due diligence, learn how to shorten your learning curve and avoid common pitfalls on their path to financial independence.
Whether you're looking to understand private placements, real estate fundamentals, or alternative investment opportunities, Wealth Independence delivers actionable insights that help busy professionals make informed investment decisions.
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Episodes
71 episodes
v2.15 - How Everyday Trade Creates Fixed Income Returns (ft. Andreas Schweitzer)
A $3 trillion financing gap exists between the companies that make everyday products and the buyers who purchase them. When a hammer manufacturer needs payment in 30 days but Home Depot pays in 120, someone has to bridge that gap – and it’s rar...
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Season 2
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Episode 15
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39:33
v2.14 - Portfolio Review with a Billionaire's Playbook
How much of your portfolio should be liquid...and does a private credit fund or a line of credit “count” as liquidity?Adam recently got a one-on-one portfolio review from Bob Fraser (co-founder of Aspen Funds, author of Invest like a Bil...
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Season 2
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Episode 14
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23:09
v2.13 - Building a $50M Media Empire and Deploying It Into Real Estate (ft. Matt Paulson)
Matt Paulson started making money on the internet in the 1990s. Today he runs MarketBeat, a financial media company generating $50 million in annual revenue with 6 million email subscribers — all bootstrapped from a $5,000 college grant. He als...
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Season 2
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Episode 13
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48:11
v2.12 - No Investor Left Behind: Recourse vs. Non-Recourse Debt
Can you imagine borrowing millions for a real estate property, but not having to personally guarantee the loan? That’s the reality of non-recourse debt – and it’s one of the biggest differences between residential and commercial real estate len...
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Season 2
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Episode 12
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13:01
v2.11 - What Robert Kiyosaki’s Bitcoin Sale Actually Teaches
If you think a 14% return in the S&P 500 and a 14% cash-on-cash return in real estate are the same thing, you’re missing the full picture.Dustin and Adam dig into Robert Kiyosaki's recent tweet about selling $2.25 million in Bitcoin ...
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Season 2
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Episode 11
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20:09
v2.10 - Why the “Invitation Only” Investment Club Is Wide Open
Dustin and Adam break down why two Wall Street Journal articles published on the same day – one about “little known” tax strategies and another about the “invitation only” world of private investing – both miss the bigger picture.The WSJ...
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Season 2
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Episode 10
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21:56
v2.9 - No Investor Left Behind: STR Tax “Loophole”
Short-term rentals have become one of the more popular tax strategies for W-2 employees looking to reduce their taxable income – but is the so-called STR “loophole” really worth the hype?Dustin and Adam break down how the strategy works:...
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Episode 9
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17:00
v2.8 - Legacy vs. Liquidation
When you die, should your investment portfolio be sold off and split among your heirs…or structured to keep producing for generations? It’s a question most investors put off or avoid entirely, but the answer leads to two very different estate p...
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Season 2
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Episode 8
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19:17
v2.7 - Oil Wells, Tax Breaks, and Year-End Scrambles
What happens when you drill an oil well and oil starts gushing before you’re ready to catch it?Dustin and Adam walk through their latest oil and gas fund – an 11-well vertical portfolio in Oklahoma that closed for investment at the end o...
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Season 2
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Episode 7
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30:19
v2.6 - Due Diligence, Deal Structures, and the Housing Shortage (ft. Ian Colville)
Dustin and Adam sit down with Ian Colville, founder and managing partner of Carpathian Capital Management, who oversees roughly $150 million in residential real estate assets.Ian's path to US real estate started in an unlikely place – ru...
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Season 2
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Episode 6
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39:25
v2.5 - The “Old Playbook” for Real Estate Is Dead
The Wall Street Journal recently declared commercial real estate “too cheap to ignore.” Dustin and Adam break down the article’s claims, challenge some cherry-picked data, and explain what institutional investors returning as net buyers for the...
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Season 2
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Episode 5
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22:13
v2.4 - Development Risk, Timing, and Deal-Breakers (ft. Eugene Gershman)
How do real estate development deals actually work for passive investors? And what makes them riskier than buying existing properties?Dustin and Adam sit down with Eugene Gershman, a second-generation developer with 20+ years of experien...
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Season 2
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Episode 4
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39:17
v2.3 - No Investor Left Behind: Real Estate Depreciation & Bonus Depreciation
Depreciation is one of real estate’s most powerful tax advantages – and maybe its most misunderstood. Dustin and Adam break down what passive investors actually need to know about real estate depreciation, including bonus depreciation, cost seg...
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Season 2
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Episode 3
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24:38
v2.2 - From Dry Cleaning to Real Estate Freedom (ft. Ian Noble)
What happens after you sell a 14-store business with 90 employees? Ian Noble joins Adam and Dustin to share his journey from dry cleaning entrepreneur to passive real estate investor, revealing the emotional identity shift after exiting a busin...
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Season 2
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Episode 2
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37:57
v2.1 - The Active to Passive Income Framework
Dustin and Adam tackle a fundamental question for business owners and high-earning professionals: when does it make sense to convert active income into passive investments rather than reinvesting in your business or career?They explore w...
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Season 2
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Episode 1
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22:02
v2.0 - Welcome to Wealth Independence Version 2
Dustin and Adam reflect on completing their first full year of the Wealth Independence Podcast (version 1) and share what’s ahead for version 2.The conversation covers which content resonated most with listeners, including strong feedbac...
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Season 2
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Episode 1
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10:29
v1.51 - “Alternative” Investments & the Knowledge Gap Problem
Dustin and Adam break down a recent Wall Street Journal article examining the push to bring private assets into 401(k) plans, and why this approach misses the point for passive investors seeking true alternatives. The discussion reveals a troub...
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Season 1
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Episode 51
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27:41
v1.50 - Asset Protection: Trusts, LLCs, and Privacy Strategies
Dustin and Adam explore the often-overlooked world of asset protection for real estate investors and high-income professionals. They break down the key difference between control and ownership, explaining how properly structured trusts and LLCs...
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Season 1
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Episode 50
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31:14
v1.49 - No Investor Left Behind: Ratio Utility Billing System (RUBS)
In this “No Investor Left Behind” episode, Dustin and Adam demystify RUBS (Ratio Utility Billing System) and explain how this common multifamily value-add strategy can significantly increase a property's net operating income and valuation.<...
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Season 1
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Episode 49
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17:41
v1.48 - Don’t Fall for the Doom and Gloom
Dustin and Adam tackle a question many passive investors face right now: is the market too high to invest? With concerns about AI investment bubbles, potential recessions, and stock market volatility dominating headlines, it’s easy to fall into...
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Season 1
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Episode 48
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26:21
v1.47 - Gratitude, Freedom, and Hard-Won Lessons
In this Thanksgiving special, Dustin and Adam step back from deal analysis to reflect on gratitude, freedom, and the mistakes that shaped their investing journey. They discuss critical lessons learned the hard way, including the challenges of i...
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Season 1
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Episode 47
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22:03
v1.46 - Why Smart Investors Never Go It Alone
Dustin and Adam explore one of the most underappreciated aspects of building wealth: the power of investing alongside others and being part of a mastermind community.They share real examples from their experience in groups like Robert He...
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Season 1
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Episode 46
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22:35
v1.45 - The Complexity Trap in Real Estate Syndications
Dustin and Adam tackle a common misconception in real estate syndication investing: that complicated deal structures signal sponsor sophistication.They break down why simpler structures, like straight 80/20 splits, often serve passive in...
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Season 1
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Episode 45
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24:39
v1.44 - No Investor Left Behind: Understanding Cap Rates
In this first episode of a new “No Investor Left Behind” series, Dustin and Adam break down one of commercial real estate’s most critical concepts: capitalization rates (cap rates).The conversation covers how cap rates function as the pr...
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Season 1
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Episode 44
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26:51
v1.43 - Don’t Let Bad Deals Kill Your Investment Strategy
Dustin and Adam tackle a critical topic many passive investors face: recovering from investment losses and knowing when to get back in the market.After reaching out to investors about a new investment opportunity, Adam noticed a pattern:...
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Season 1
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Episode 43
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