Ep #37: Healing Retroactive Jealousy & Building Self-Trust That Transforms Your Relationships With Emma Elmoza (Part 2)

We’re back for part two of my conversation with embodiment coach Emma Elmoza — and if you haven’t listened to part one yet, go back and tune in first so you’ve got the full context.

In this second half of our chat, we move from naming retroactive jealousy into the heart of healing it. Emma shares how she built deep self-trust, confidence, and inner safety — and how those shifts completely transformed the way she experiences her relationship. This conversation will open your eyes to what’s possible when you stop living in survival mode and start creating a grounded, embodied connection with yourself.

Inside this episode, you’ll discover:
- The link between self-trust and trusting your partner (and why they mirror each other)
- How embodiment practices help release stored emotions and rewire your nervous system
- Why slowing down and being in your body is key to building inner safety
- What changes in love, creativity, and confidence when you stop running on survival patterns
- The baby steps you can take today to start building self-trust and emotional freedom

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Transcript

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You are listening to the Secure Love Club podcast. I'm your host, Mimi. What. Hey friends. Welcome back to the club. Today we are diving into part two of my conversation with the incredible Emma l Moza, an embodiment coach and facilitator who helps women unlock their competence, visibility, and deep self worth. If you haven't listened to part one yet, I highly recommend going back and tuning. First, because that's where we unpack the concept of retroactive jealousy and how it secretly shows up in relationships. Now, in this second half, we pick things up with a powerful discussion on self-trust and how the more you trust yourself. The more you are able to trust your partner and what that actually looks like in day-to-day life. Emma also walks us through the healing practices and tools that supported her in transforming jealousy, insecurity, and self-doubt into deep inner safety, confidence and freedom, and how that has drastically transformed her relationship with her partner. We also explore what happens when women slow down, connect to their bodies, and stop living purely in survival mode. And how this shift doesn't just change your relationship with yourself, but ripples out into your partnerships, your work, and your creativity. So enjoy this epic conversation with Emma l Moza. Let's dive in. And also trusting yourself. Uh, that's a beautiful mirror as well. Say more about that. Yeah, so, um, there is definitely like a correlation between like the more you trust yourself, the more you can trust your partner. There is a connection there, and it's really kind of like flips your mind a little bit because it's like, no, I do trust myself, but it doesn't even have to be, and I, this came to me actually when I was in the shower earlier. It doesn't even have to be related to like sex. It could be like your self-discipline and your self-control. Like I quit alcohol for a year and a half. That created so much trust in myself that I was like, I can do anything. And I really feel that my relationship is stronger because of the level of trust that I have in with, within myself about the things that I do, even about like my business and my consistency and the projects that I've created that I said that I would do that has cultivated such deep trust in myself that I feel so much trust for my partner. So there, there is a mirror there. Mm. That's so interesting. Yeah. Okay, so how does, how does having a deeper self trust impact the trust you can have with your partner? Like, how does that work? Um, yeah. Well, it, I think it depends on your partner. Mm. Like it really does depend on that. Um, but to answer your question, how does having trust in yourself make you trust your partner more? Um, it's, it's kind of like, um, the example that I wanna give you is like, if you don't trust yourself, even with like going to the gym or like doing your rituals, like if you keep saying no to yourself or like maybe later or whatever, like you just don't do the things that you wanna do. You are embodying distrust in your body, and that becomes like your filter to your outside world. Does that make sense? Yeah. So it's like if there's distrust in your body, even about you, it's like, I'm not gonna trust anything outside. Right. Like that's the mirror that I kind of wanted to illustrate. Mm. But if you have this really deep trust in yourself, then you are going to trust the decisions that you make, and you're also going to trust the partner that you have because it's reflecting the trust that you have. Got it. But that makes sense. Yeah. Okay. So it's, so a few things are coming up. So getting this is getting clearer. So one thing is, yeah. So when we, when we develop deep self trust within ourselves mm-hmm. So by following through, for example, on the things that we say we're gonna do in our life, so mm-hmm. I'm gonna go to the gym tomorrow morning, I get up and I do it. I'm gonna post every day. Yeah. I follow through. Yeah. So the more consistency you're, you are, when you're following through on the things you say you're gonna do, you're, you're showing yourself, I can rely on myself. Yes. I trust my word. Yeah. That creates a deeper relationship to self. Mm-hmm. So I think therefore that also helps you when you're making decisions in your life about other people, maybe you have a deeper connection to like your intuition to Yes. Right. So you can trust the decisions you're making in the type of partner you're choosing. But also what's coming up is when you can create self-trust in your body, you know what it feels like. Yes. You know what trust feels like. Yes. And so then you can, you can pick up on, do I feel that same feeling, that say grounded knowing with my partner and the way that they're speaking and the way that they're showing up and in their energy.'cause when we know what it feels like, we can then witness it or observe it in other people. Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. I love the way that you just expressed that. Yeah. Okay.'cause I haven't actually articulated this before. It actually just came to me in the shower. Um, so thank you for going there with me because that Yeah, of course. That's the way that you articulated that. Yeah. I love it. Okay, so let's shift into the journey that then began with healing your relationship with yourself, essentially.'cause you said that you didn't really set out with a strong intention of, okay, I'm gonna go heal my retroactive jealousy. Yeah. It's, so what did your healing journey look like? What were some of the practices or the tools and the things that you did that supported you the most in healing, let's say like your self trust, your self-confidence that, that inner self worth that you spoke about. Yeah. So, um, yeah, so I, like I said, so obviously retroactive jealousy came into my life, opened up my world, I could label this experience and then for a while I became very curious like, oh, how many women actually experiencing and no one's actually talking about it. And I was thinking like, my friends, do they experience it?'cause they're all with partners, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I didn't actively go talking about it or healing it. Like I didn't go into like, I need to fix this. However, my business was a beautiful catalyst to heal a lot within me. I really am grateful for starting that journey because it's such a personal journey of going inwards and you just start healing all these things that you just didn't even realize. Oh yeah. Where there, yeah. So it's huge. So when I. Like I said, when I was getting coached by Joanne and then I came to that last session and then it was all about like confidence and taking up space and being in the spotlight. That's when I started doing Kion regularly for a whole year and week by week I was healing my nervous system. I was releasing anything that was unprocessed in my nervous system and it was being done in the most fun way, like it was being done through movement and dance, and I didn't have to know where any, like what I actually was releasing. That's the beauty of this modality. It's like you don't need to know like what you released. You don't even need to know what left. It's like I just feel amazing and it's just about being really present in your movement and with the music and just letting your body intuitively move really slowly so then you can hear the whispers of your body. So in like you can hear. What your body's feeling, but you don't need to know what it is, if that makes sense. So like I'm moving and I can feel something coming up and,'cause I'm moving so slowly, like I can hear my body's feeling something and then I release it through my breath or I release it with the music or I release it with a sigh and it's gone. And doing that weekly like that will really transform you. Like it will like doing that weekly. And I always say to my students, like as women, we are such emotional beings. And I always explain like this practice is like taking your emotional body to the laundry mat and putting your emotional body in the washing machine and getting it cleaned. Imagine doing that every week. Wow. Like imagine doing that every week. Like it is the best. It is the best. Like you just feel so, um, you just feel in flow and you don't carry things longer than you need to. I really feel like the reason why I've grown so much, the reason why I've connected so deeply to my confidence is'cause I prioritize that practice for a very long time. Um, and I was just connecting more and more to my body and the self-worth came to life and the confidence and loving my body and loving what my body looks like and loving my curves and just loving everything about it. Like it makes you fall in love with yourself, not through your head, but within your body at such a cellular level. And, um. Yeah, I just, that became a beautiful ripple effect, like less retroactive jealousy. Um, and the reason why I actually messaged you originally for this conversation was my partner's in America now and he's meeting up with artists every day. He's going out and I felt nothing. Not one Wowy not Rob. Yes. So we got amazing. That's why I literally, like, you probably noticed, like I was so like energetic when I said the voice note. I don't know if you noticed. Yeah. I was like, it was kind of like a celebration of like, all right, it's time to talk about it now because I feel like I can show women what's on the other side and. Like he's meeting up with so many women and I've just, I am so happy for him. And this is the beauty of when you heal this, you're also like supporting your partner's passion and your partner's purpose. And there's more flow for them. Because when you start to carry this retroactive jealousy, it creates conflict. And then your partner may be too afraid to actually take that trip overseas or your, your, you know, partner may be afraid to do that business trip or do this with friends, and then they stop doing the things that they love. And then you are kind of in this relationship where it's like you're not doing the things that you wanna do. So it allows you to access freedom for both of you. Wow. And that's why I really want to talk about it, because it does so much to your relationship. And yeah, like we do travel a lot for work as well, so it's like. If retroactive was, if retroactive jealousy was present at the level that it was, or even just a drop of it, it would be so messy. Like I would feel anxious time, and how could I show up here? Or how could I facilitate classes or how could I do anything creative if I have that anxiety in me? Oh, like it really can, it just puts like a hand break on everything. It does. It does. Yeah. Yeah. That made me think of, uh, a memories are just popping up left. Right. And so as we're talking about this, but this one moment when I was with that, uh, avoidant partner, I was very anxious and I remember he, we were sitting down on his bed and he told me about some trip that he wanted to take or he was going to take with some friends of his. And he was really excited about it. And I remember when he told me. I, my instant reaction was I made it about me. Like I took the spotlight. He was really excited about it. And I instantly want knowingly or unknowingly, unconsciously, wanted to tear down that excitement as a way to like protect myself, I guess, because I felt insecure that he was gonna go away and like have fun with these other people and go on this trip. And I guess that shows me there was that, you know, that part of me then that was still very insecure and had low self-worth was like, I couldn't be happy for him because I was insecure and my insecurity needed to be under the spotlight. Like I needed to feel Yes. Reassured and validated. And I guess at the time, in my mind, my solution to that was like, well, don't go on the trip. Like, be with me so I can feel reassured. Yeah. You know, and I, and I remember him actually reflecting that to me and saying. Why can't you just be excited for me or happy for me? Like you just made that all about you. Yeah. And think that's probably why it's stuck in my mind as a memory.'cause I was like, oh my God. Like I did just make that about me. And I hated feeling that way. I hated being that version of myself that couldn't be excited for my partner. Yeah. Yeah. I love that you shared that. That is such a great memory and a great insight because I'm sure so many women who are listening to this have experienced that or are experiencing that. Yeah. And then it's that shame cycle again. Like, because it is so real for you. And then it's like, why do I feel like that? And why am I like that? And it's like, I'm the shit girlfriend or blah, blah, blah, and then it just creates this spiral again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for you to be in a place now where, I mean you, you shared with me that, I mean, obviously you've said your partner is, you know, this beautiful man inside and out. He's in the music world, he's over in America, you know, meeting with so many people and for you to just feel. Nothing but so happy for him. Supportive. Mm-hmm. Grounded in your self-worth, confident in yourself as a woman, as his partner, and not even needing to go to that place in your mind of like, oh my God, what if he meets someone better than me? Or like, what if he's attracted to other women? You're just like, no. Like, go have a great time. Yeah. Yeah. And just know that you've got a banging gorgeous partner back at home, like, you know? Exactly. It's amazing. And I think there's probably so many women listening who are just like, oh, I want to feel that way and I wanna get to that place and mm-hmm. Sharing what you, the journey you went on with your practice It, how do I say it again? Kun. Kun. Kun. Yeah. Perfect. Kion. Yeah. Um, it, it sounds like through the practice of Kunian as well, through being so present with your body and moving so slowly and giving it. Giving your emotional body the airtime it needs to communicate with you. Right? Like where we're not distracting ourselves with social media and work and Netflix and food. It's like you're just present with your body. Yeah. I would imagine that that also plays a huge role in developing that self-trust. Yeah. Because you're in your emotional body, which is where like safety is built. Yeah. Oh, a hundred percent. It like safety is like the biggest thing actually that you start to bring to life. Um, because. You can feel really unsafe with emotions or feeling in general. So when you're in a safe environment that where you are held and you can go in there and you're safe, then you start to like create this inner safety, which then leads to trust, which then leads to confidence and self-worth and creativity. Like it's just never ending. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Do women, when they first come to work with you and they do these, these sessions mm-hmm. Do you, what's the observation when women first start? Are they like really Yeah. Self-conscious. They feel weird, like looking around the room. Yeah. What's the vibe? It's, it's different for every woman who walks through those doors or who joins online. Um, I've had women that were just freaked out the lead up to it because sometimes I market it from a emotional perspective and. Everyone sort of just, not everyone, I'm generalizing. A lot of women associate just emotion to like anger and sadness and just those emotions. But there's a whole other spectrum of like joy and pleasure and fun and freedom that people forget about that side. So they're very fixated on like the dark and they get really afraid to like step into this space, but I just have to like talk them through it and, and, um, yeah, just support them in that way. So that's one angle. And then there are women who were like me, um, who are like, who I was, where it's like just the body just can't move. Like, it's like tension. Like when it's ready, when we're ready to get up and like start to move our bodies and express ourselves a little more, it's, there's just tightness and there's the locked knees and just like not knowing even how to move. And then there's um, yeah, I guess, um, women who are shy. And, um, because it's sensual movement, there are women who feel a little, um, uh, what's the word? Um, they get a bit, what's the word? It's not like startled, but because it's central movement, there is that like sexual element to it, right? So women kind of feel wrong. It's the shame. If you have a lot of shame in your body, moving like that can bring up. A lot. Like it can feel wrong because I remember like, there was like some central like sexual music and I remember thinking, oh my God, like I remember this is my first class. These are the thoughts that were running through my head. What are my family gonna think of me? What are my, um, like this isn't allowed. What are my family overseas gonna think of me? Like, these were the thoughts that were coming up and it just shows you your conditioning and where you may not feel free. And that's where you, that's the key to your pleasure. Like that is the key to your pleasure. There's no nudity, there's none of that. But just simply music and connecting to a soft rug can make you feel like you're being too sexual or even being in a certain position. Like being in a certain position can make you feel overly sexual. Yeah. Even if you're like fully clothed. Like it's, yeah. So it's really interesting, um, the resistance that can come up. Yeah, and resistance is definitely there. It's definitely there. But that is the key. Like I always say, like the resistance is the key to exploring more expression and the resistance is opportunity for more flow in your body because clearly something is stagnant and something is stuck. So it's just about how you move through that resistance. It's so interesting. Uh, I love it. I, um, I've had my own experience with getting into like somatic movement and somatics over the years in my own healing journey, and it's definitely been one of the biggest game changers for me, like learning how to even like releasing emotions, you know, in deep sort of reprogramming meditations and allowing myself to lean into what might feel weird or what. I might, um, think that others would perceive as weird. So it's like, if it's moving my body in a really, almost like a primal, animalistic way Yes. Or screaming, or like physically trying to pull emotions out of my body. I remember when I first started doing this stuff, I felt really embarrassed and weird even, even when I was just in my own presence. Yeah. Like when no one else was around. Yeah. Yeah. I felt weird. I was like, wow. Like just whose judgment am I afraid of right now? Yeah. And, but through leaning in and just continuing to do it over time I started to embrace it more and more and more. And I've also seen and felt the positive impacts of that. So I definitely back this type of work all the way. Mm-hmm. Um, and what else was I gonna ask you? Oh. Yeah, I think, I mean, I just, without going too much into a rabbit hole, I'm just thinking about certain women I know, or people I've worked with in the past where I can see that they are so in their head and so in their masculine, in their life. Like maybe they're working all the time, um, or they are always trying to think their way out of problems or think their way into solutions. Mm-hmm. And they, they basically never give themselves any time to be in their body and to be present. What do you, knowing what you know now mm-hmm. Like, what's your take on women who are stuck in that place? Yep. What are they avoiding? What are they afraid of? And how can they start to slowly connect back in with their body? Yeah. And what's the benefit of that? Does that make sense? Yes. I love that because at its core, Kion was created to support women who are in survival. And that is being in their head. Mm. That's being in their head, that's being overly analytical, that's being, um, like overthinking, like it's literally designed for women who are stuck in their heads. So, um, it really comes down to survival and it's shifting them from the head into their body where they discover a new pattern of thriving. So you go from surviving to thriving and you create a new pattern in your nervous system that is more calm. And you're literally shifting gears. Like I was literally teaching class last night to, uh, women who were trying it for the first time and I said, you are out there in the world rushing. You've got a million things to do. You are working when you are in this space. We are literally shifting gears and we are going slow, slow, slow motion. Like a slow as you can go. Like you'll be surprised how slow you can move. I'm talking like even when you do a neck roll, like it is like this slow, like it is so slow, right? And that just shifts gears from being in survival and rushing to slowing down. And there is so much that can. Um, it's just a new way of being. It's a new pattern when you start to create that slow, that slowness mm-hmm. And it becomes a ripple effect. Like for days you start to be more present and you start to move quite slowly. You start to work a little differently. So, yeah. Mm-hmm. I really love that you shared that, especially with the masculine, um, the masculine way of doing things. You know, that's logic, that's analyzing, that's the mind and it does serve its purpose. I'm not against it, but you just need to balance it with your feminine energy, which is what ion's all about.'cause yin is the feminine. Yeah. Yeah. And I imagine that there would be women who feel really unsafe in slowing down. Yes. If they've been in that pattern of survival, survival mode for so long. And their nervous system has conditioned itself to believe that I have to keep doing. Like doing acting, chasing goals, trying to achieve, keep moving, keep moving. Yeah. And that is where they feel safe because it's familiar. And so to actually slow down and allow yourself to be in the body and move slowly feels really unnatural and really unsafe. Um, and it's interesting even talking about this, like I, you know, I'm such an open book and I, as much work as I've done still fall into this category from time to time where I will be working. I, I'm in, I'm in a phase right now, in particular, right where I'm working on building a lot of new backend systems in my business, I'm redoing a lot of stuff and I'm working like 10, 12 hours a day. And people always see that on social media, but I'm putting in the hours and I definitely can find myself coming to a place of imbalance and feeling very stuck in my masculine energy and. I think sometimes you can lose touch with, as we've been talking about, that sense of self-trust of like, can I trust that it's safe to slow down? And how do I do that in a way where almost like, um, I think sometimes the fear can be that if I slow down, I'll lose motivation or drive. Mm. But what's, what's your perspective on what's, what, what, what actually happens? Do you know what I mean? Like when we slow down, yes. I wanna share something. So operating in a fast way and like overwork, not overworking, but just putting in a lot of hours and not really having breaks. Moving in that way and moving where you are. Your feminine is more balanced, you will achieve the same result. But the way that you get there is different. Like the journey to the result is different, if that makes sense. So like you can be in survival and you get the same result and you can be thriving and get the same result. But the journey there is really different. And that's why some women burn out because there, that's why they're prone to burning out because they're in survival mode versus when you're thriving, oh, sorry, in, even when you're in the survival mode, this is also where like a lot of people stop and start their creative projects and even like their content, um, there's this constant stop and starting cycle. However, when you're thriving, it's sustainable and it's long term and it just keeps going. Like,'cause you're taking breaks. And for me, I'm not sure if this links. Um, and please let me know if I'm not answering your question'cause I can come back to that. But what's just coming to me now is as women, we benefit a lot with sinking our life with our cycle. Mm-hmm. And not being super rigid with it, but just knowing, okay, I am in my luteal phase, I am the lead up to my period. Now it's time to slow down because if I don't slow down the next cycle, I'm gonna burn out. So it's just about like, just knowing like what phase you're in. Am I in my winter? Which is like your luteal, am I in my summer, which is my ovulation? And it's just knowing where you are energetically that can support you and creating a thriving pattern rather than being in survival.'cause if you're getting your period and you've got your period and you're pushing yourself and pushing yourself and pushing yourself, that will just lead you to exhaustion. Mm-hmm. And I've been there many times and I, I even got myself there like I think,'cause I went overseas in June and the lead up to that trip I was working so much and I burnt out. I did burnt out. I noticed the difference of the results, not the results, the journey of to creating the results that I wanted. It was just different. And then when I got back and kind of had that reset, I've just been working so differently. Like it feels really different. Like I feel really focused and present and I'm taking regular breaks and I'm nourishing my emotional body and it's just, I feel different. Mm. I feel really different. So yeah. Does that give you a picture? Yeah. I love what you said about how it's like you can, you're gonna get to the same end result, but you, you actually have a choice in like how you get there. Yeah. And I, I love that. And it's actually been, this came up recently, I was talking to my sister about this because she, um, we currently live together and she sees like how much work I put in and she's often kind of like that one that will, you know, quietly tap me on this shoulder and be like. Are you okay? Like, are you taking breaks? Are you doing this because she knows I have a habit of like working myself maybe a bit too hard. And there's one of my mentors who I've looked up to for many years, extremely successful in the coaching world. Like I'm talking$50 million a year business. And she built her business working three days a week. And she, she has spoken about this, her name's Brooke Castillo, and she talks about how she built her business working three days a week and never from an energy of scarcity or hustle or burnout. And she said something similar to you and she was like, you can, you can create success from. Pain. You can also create it from joy and from inspiration. Like you can get there either way, but you get to choose how you're getting there. And I always think back to how she said that. I'm like, wow, if, what does that, what does that say? Like if she can build a$50 million a year business from working three days a week, what does that highlight? And for me, it highlights that she knows how to have balance in her life. And as you've been talking about the benefit of that, of knowing how to have rest and downtime and nurturing yourself, but then also when you are in work mode, be in work mode and like be in your masculine and you know, get shit done. Yeah. But don't just hustle for the sake of hustle and like needing to be on 24 7. Yeah. So I think there's something really, really valuable in what you are sharing. Yeah. Yeah. And mm-hmm. Kunin is all about creating that thriving pattern because for women, it may not even be there. Like women don't even know what it feels like to operate from a state where it is more joyful and more grounded and present because they've been so conditioned and they've been running this survival pattern for 20, 30, 40, 50 years. Like, think about how ingrained that is. So as you shift gears and you create this slow pattern, it helps you step into like literally a new paradigm of like being in the world. Yeah. Hmm. Right. So yeah. Okay. So maybe if you're working, let's say less physical hours, the quality of the work that you do in the hours that you work maybe goes up because you are feeling more balanced and more nurtured. Yeah. And you just got more energy. You don't feel drained, you don't feel tired, you don't feel fatigued. Right. Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm. You now support women in healing their relationships with themselves? Yeah. What are some of the, like for people listening, maybe people wanna jump into Kunian right away. Maybe they're not ready for that. Mm-hmm. Like what would you say are some steps that women can start to take in their every day? Like even starting from today, what are some like baby steps women can take to start to connect in with their body and deepen that sense of self-trust and just like slowly edge their way into being connected to their body? Yes. Um, okay. Some baby steps. Well, firstly, if retroactive jealousy really like rang a bell for you, I would, I would really recommend you to read more about it and look at more. Look at it, look at how it shows up in your life, because that awareness is the first step. However, awareness isn't the only step. It's only like 50%. So the second part is about like the action that you take. And I honestly recommend K because there's a online timetable. Like there's the home of Kun, it's called the Portal and it's online. And for those who don't really wanna experience it in person yet, and you just wanna get a taste of it, there are online classes and you can literally have your video off and you can just experience it in your own space. So if you just wanna get a taste of like what it's like to actually move your bodies, all the instructors are amazing. Mm-hmm. And um, I'm pretty sure you get seven days for free. Okay. So if you just wanna get a taste of it, seven days for free and unlimited classes, and if you wanna be in your own space camera off and just experience it, I highly recommend it. Um, and there's, we'll link that in the show notes as well. Yeah, perfect. And there's express classes, so like if you, it's just 30 minutes, like it's a 30 minute class. If you just wanna experience it quickly, not quickly, sorry if you don't have much time in your day, but it's like, I do wanna experience this. There's express or there's the signature class, which is an hour. So it just depends how much time you have, um, in building a relationship with yourself. I would, with baby steps, just notice the sensations in your body when you're around certain people or when you're scrolling through social media or even when you are working, just notice like the reaction that your body starts to create. Do you feel like you're contracting? And this is the one thing that I would love to leave everyone with actually. Are you contracting or do you feel expanded? Do you feel like you're in like a con? Um, so yeah. Either contracting or expanding, and that's the best way to just know that all right, something's there, something doesn't feel right. And yes, this is for me and I feel amazing. That is one step to noticing the language of your body and understanding your body, and just knowing what environment suits you or where there may be stuff, et cetera. Mm. Yeah. I love that. Am I, do I feel like I'm contracting or do I feel like I'm expanding? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And even just that, obviously people can't see us right now, but just that, yeah. That physical movement of rounding the shoulders, like hunching over, is that contracted feeling of like, oh, mm-hmm. Almost as if you've got like a, like a big weight on your back Yeah. That's pushing you down. Yeah. And tight chest anxious. Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. Or expanding, like shoulders are back. Your chest is open and proud. Like your, your chin is up. You're feeling expansive. Yeah. Yeah. Because that, just monitoring that has so much wisdom and so much information for you. Yeah. And so if we, oh, sorry. Go on. No, no, you go, you go. Oh, I was gonna say, so if, if women are noticing, okay, I'm feeling like I'm in a state of contraction right now. Mm-hmm. Obviously number one is we just wanna be able to catch and observe that. Mm-hmm. But is that something that you are, are we immediately making that mean that whatever we're doing or whatever situation we're in is bad or wrong? Or is it just an invitation to, or could it be that like maybe we just need a break or, you know what I mean? Yeah. I love that you said that. I love it. Because what I wanna highlight is there is no judgment to what you are experiencing. So as you observe yourself, do not judge yourself. And don't even go into right or wrong, just look at that. This is what I'm experiencing. Like, don't even go into right or wrong. It's just simply, oh, I'm feeling this and that's it. And you will know. You'll know what to do with that. Mm. You'll know what to do with that because I can't say,'cause it's gonna be different for every. Situation because you may be with someone and you start to feel like that, like in conversation or you may be working and you start to feel like that. Um, and it may not be, um, how do I wanna say it? Like it's not about being like, that person's wrong or I'm wrong, or, you know, I need to get away from this person. It's just simply looking at the sensations that your body experiences. And that's just the first step to understanding your body and just knowing what makes you feel good and what may not feel good. And if you don't feel good, just look at whether it feels like it's your staff or maybe it's someone's, something someone said like kind of just opening up that dialogue without going into Right and wrong without going into the story. Yeah. Okay. Just, just looking at the dialogue. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Does that, yeah. I hope that doesn't sound too complicated. No, I actually like that. And I think, you know, saying that you'll know what to do with it. Yeah. I actually find that feels really empowering. Yeah. It's like giving women the permission to, to just trust that they know and actually they're very intuitive and their body will be able to tell them what is feeling good or not feeling so good about a certain situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And another awesome baby step is playing music that you love and just having that on in the background when you shower, when you work, like just playing music that your body loves because that expands you. It really does. Yeah. Music is like food for the soul. It's so true, so powerful, and it just cuts through all the noise and it just gets right in there and it makes you feel so much better. Yeah. Yeah. I could not agree more. Yeah. Wow. This was such a big conversation. I honestly feel like this seems to be like a two part episode because, and why I feel like we covered so many different topics. We went into like the retroactive jealousy and then almost into the how we as women navigating the world when we are women with like big goals, ambitions, businesses, and um, I guess the role that Kunin and working with the body has in both of those areas. So, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Is there anything that we haven't covered or anything that you would like to say or to share as before we close off? Um, I, I just wanna say thank you. Thank you so much for giving me this opportunity to share my experiences and what I've been learning. And I just wanna also say to everyone listening like, there is nothing wrong with you and that. Everything that I have experienced and everything that, like where I'm at now is available for you and it is possible for you. And I don't want anyone to doubt that at all. Like I want you to just really feel how possible that it is for you. If I can do it, anyone can do it. Yes. Thank you so much for sharing that. Thank you, Emma. And we will leave the link to all of your information, um, in the show notes. So if you wanna connect with Emma, talk to her about her work or work with her, that will all be available to you in the show notes. Thank you so much for your time today, Emma. This has been an absolute pleasure. If you enjoyed today's episode, hit that subscribe button and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Share this episode with your friends and come find me on social so we can hang out between episodes. All the links are below in the show notes.