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17 - From Guilt to Grace: Mindset Lessons for the Everyday Mom with Coach Katie Graham

• Courtney Podany

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In today’s episode of The Nourished Living Podcast, I sit down with Coach Katie Graham—mom, energy and connection coach for moms, podcast host, and creator of The Mom Connection—to talk about what it really takes to prioritize yourself without guilt, simplify your wellness habits, and grow into the version of yourself you’re envisioning.

Katie shares how overcomplicating health and wellness often leads to burnout, and why the best thing you can do is start small and stay consistent. From creating doable routines to giving yourself grace when life gets messy, we cover practical ways to stay grounded—especially during busy seasons like summer break.

Whether you're a mom feeling stretched thin or someone just beginning your wellness journey, this episode is packed with gentle reminders, mindset shifts, and actionable tips to help you feel empowered—not overwhelmed.

What We Talk About:

  • Why health doesn’t have to be “all or nothing”
  • How to start small and build consistent habits
  • Giving yourself grace and dropping perfectionism
  • Teaching kids healthy habits by modeling (not hiding) your routines
  • How to navigate your day with intention—especially when plans change
  • The power of waking up 10 minutes earlier for yourself
  • Why forward-thinking helps reduce reactivity

Quotes We Loved:

“You don’t run a marathon overnight. You grow into your vision with small, consistent wins.”

“When you wake up before everyone else, even for just 10 minutes, it changes the tone of your entire day.” 

“Think about how you want to feel today—not just what needs to get done.”

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🎧 Until next time—stay nourished!

Welcome to the Nourished Living Podcast, where I'll be diving deep into nutrition, holistic wellness, and practical tips to help you live your healthiest, most vibrant life. I am Courtney Podany, a nutritional therapist, certified personal trainer, type one diabetic and mom. And I'm here to help you take charge of your health with ease and confidence. Together we'll explore how to nourish your body, mind, and soul in a way that feels good and sustainable. So grab your favorite beverage. Take a deep breath, and let's get into the episode. I. Welcome back to the Nourished Living Podcast. We are in for such a treat today. I have my friend Katie Graham here to speak with us. Katie Graham is an energy and connection coach for moms, speaker and mom of two Mac, who's 10 and Emma, who's nine. On a mission to help overwhelmed faith-filled moms, reconnect with themselves and discover how to generate the energy they need to live with presence, joy, and peace, no matter what season they're in. Katie's journey started in the trenches of motherhood, juggling all the things, feeling stretched too thin, and wondering why even with a deep love for Jesus, she still felt so disconnected from herself. Late night scrolling, snapping at her kids and running on autopilot had become her norm until she realized she was giving from an empty cup through small intentional shifts. Like simple morning routines, 10 minute check-ins and grace filled perspective changes. Katie transformed her days from survival mode to sacred sustainable rhythms. Now she helps other moms do the same through her signature tools like the 3 4 5 Connection Journal, her group coaching programs, and her podcast, the Mom Connection Podcast with Katie. Whether she's speaking on a stage, hosting a virtual workshop, or sharing her heart behind the mic, Katie brings hope, practical tools and powerful mindset shifts that help moms feel alive in the life they're already living. Wow. Thank you Katie, and welcome. I'm so excited. Thank you, Katie. Excited that you're here. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. Yes. We met actually at BBD Live. Live from James Wedmore, just in December, but yeah. We have stayed in contact. I was a guest on Katie's podcast a few months ago, and now I am part of her mom community, which let me just say is so helpful. I honestly feel like you're reading my mind. Every time you put something out. I'm like, how did she know I needed this? Just run it together. Yeah. On the same wavelength. Yeah. The mom wavelength. So thank you again for being here. Can you tell us about your journey, how you got started, and how you got here today? Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you for having me again. I'm so honored. Honestly, I'm, I say this, but I'm just a mom like you, wanting to do the best for my kids and for my life, and, sharing that journey with everyone, who's listening. So thank you. I did not always start out though, with knowing tools, knowing mindset shifts, or really having any of that. I I, after having my second daughter or my second child, she's my only daughter. But after having my second kid, I. Really experienced postpartum depression and anxiety. And I wasn't taking care of myself. I kind of got lost in the identity of motherhood. It was something that I had grown up like that was the dream to be a mom. And so once it happened and it didn't really. Happened the way I thought, or I thought I would feel in the moment. Depression and anxiety started coming in.'cause it was like, I've waited 29 years for this dream and I'm here and I hate it. Like I love it, but I also hate it. At the same time. I'm just struggling and I was. Teaching first grade at the time, and so I was with seven year olds all day, coming home to two kids under two they're about 18 months apart, my kids. And so it was a lot, it was a lot of transition in a short amount of time and I didn't have any tools. I had my faith, but I like That's great. And having other tools, mindset tools, a coach to help you kind of work through and navigate emotional things or healing your past, those kinds of things was very much needed. And so, when I. SI was watching a friend, she was starting to work out and like take care of herself. And I'm like, well, I'm not doing any of that. I'm just eating whatever I want. Like I am my reward at the end of the school day was like going by fast food and getting like a whole meal to just like reward myself for surviving. Like, you made it, you're still here. Go pick up your kids. And because I was doing that, I was just depleted. I didn't have energy, I didn't have any positive anything except like, Lord, why are you allowing me to do this?'cause like this, this is not the dream. And so anyway, I saw my friend post and I was like, you know, I'm not doing anything for me. And maybe like I know working out is. Healthy. I know that like eating better food's probably great for me too because I am breastfeeding. And so I jumped in and that was kind of the start of my. Personal journey on being open to not just physical growth and feeling better and having a little bit more energy.'cause I'm actually drinking water and I'm actually like eating vegetables and fruit and this is great. But it opened my eyes to kind of okay, like I'm, I'm healing physically. What about mindset? Like I've never really done any kind of coaching or anything like that, and so I started to be open to reading books about changing your mindset and. It led me to my own mindset coach and I adore him. And he's helped me so much over the last four or five years of just like, just these mindset shifts that change everything. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I. Everybody needs this kind of thing. And it's interesting because I found it in like the network marketing kind of business entrepreneurial world, but I'm like, people need this in real life. And so it kind of opened my eyes to maybe think maybe I could be that person for other, other moms and really kind of help them like I have discovered on my own. And so here we are today. Yes. That is so inspiring. And yeah, when you're getting ready to become a mom, you're thinking about, okay, I need the diapers, the clothes, the cribs, how are we gonna set up nap schedules, this or that? But you don't think about the transition that you yourself are going through. You're not preparing for that. And then, yeah. Things come up from the past and hit you like a ton of bricks and you're not sleeping and you're, you know, like your body's worn out. You are tired. And then you have this emotional, mental stuff going on and you're like, hold on, I was not ready for this. Yeah. Really means. So, yeah, it's so inspiring and you obviously had that thought for a reason because you do have something to share and something to give for those. Who need it. So thank you. And so I would like to go a little bit deeper for moms who yeah, might be in the trenches of motherhood and not doing anything for themselves. Can we talk about how working out or doing something they enjoy is not selfish and actually. Takes care of not only themselves, but the whole family. Yes. So what I love is when I started to work out and I had that moment of like, I went to my husband and I was like, I first, I've never spent this much money on myself. Like, why would I do this? We just had a baby. Like bills are coming in, but like. I never invested in myself, and I knew that the quality that I was bringing, the version of me that I was bringing to my life, my marriage, my motherhood wasn't my best. And it was the, the version of me that was kind of, depleted, it was not. It just wasn't, it just wasn't my, I knew I could do better, but I didn't have, I wasn't doing any actions to do that, and so by investing in my health and fitness at first, and then it was mindset coaches, it was, oh my gosh, like after that first workout, I looked at my husband and I was like. I actually feel good. I don't remember the last time and it wasn't even a hard workout. I don't even think I could, five pounds was like my heavy weight. Like I, there was like three pounds was a good work. Like I went from like nothing to like, I. Oh my gosh, I have energy. And the whole time you're working out and you're, or if you're doing mindset work or whatever, you're reminding yourself how strong you are. You're showing yourself that you matter. And so by doing that, the energy that you bring, the, the quality mindset that you're not thinking about, oh my gosh, am I worried about the baby, how the baby's gonna act, or am I worried about this? You're like. How can I give, like, your whole perspective changes when you start taking those steps. And so it seems selfish and I, we as moms, this is a like very great quality of us. We want, we're givers, we're nurturers, but we forget to give and nurture to ourself. And then it, it takes away from the version that our kids need us to be. And it doesn't have to be big or grandiose, it just needs to be, maybe you went for a walk today. And you were like, I set this goal to go on a walk and by golly I did it and I feel great. And I kept a promise to myself. Right? And it's just about those kinds of promises and those actions that feed you. It helps you show up in a different, better light. The conversations you start to have with your husband is different.'cause you're not like drowning and complaining. You're like, oh my gosh, let me tell you about my day in my workout today. I upped my weights and oh my gosh, I'm so sore. But like, it's just a very different version of you. And so if you can kind of start to make that shift of I'm not doing this for, I am doing this for me. Yes. But more importantly for me, what got me to make that final choice and invest in whatever, or take the action. Like you can invest in the workout, but you still have to push play, or you still have to go to the gym. Right? It was focusing on what kind of mom do you want to be for your kids? What kind of wife do you wanna be for your spouse, like. That version of me was like, get up and go. Like it was that future version of me and knowing that I had that vision. Mm-hmm. I know I can be her'cause I am, I have all the things I just need to go take the actions. Yeah. And so focusing on that future. Who do you want your kids to? Remember as a mom, who do you want to be in your life and how you wanna show up that will help you get moving? So that working out isn't selfish. You're doing it for them and for yourself. Yeah. One of the things I started doing when I first got back into my fitness journey after kids is like, that was my alone time. So I would come in my room, shut the door and work out. But then I started thinking about it and it's like. Well, I want my kids to see me working out. Right? Yeah. When I tell them I'm gonna go work out and then I leave and they don't see me, they don't know what is actually happening. Right. So, not every time, but I did start, you know, bringing my weights out to the living room. Mm-hmm. Working out, just so they saw me leading by example and setting a healthy example for their kids. So it's definitely a good motivator to get started. But can you give any advice on consistency? Right, because consistency is key, but it's can be very difficult. It's, and I wanna start by talking about grace, because also as moms we have this per, well I say this as moms, as as women. Sometimes it's easy for us to get in this perfectionist mindset if it's not perfect or if it's not pretty. Or if we mess up one day, then we're just done. And it's this thing of what do we tell our kids? We always tell them to try your best and then get up and do better, like grow from that. If it didn't go as you expected, what did you learn? How could you improve next time? And it's almost that like same advice to us. Consistency doesn't mean you get it perfect every time. It just means that you woke up and you did your best for that day. So it could be, my best Today is a 30 minute lifting workout and I crushed it. I upped my weights. I feel amazing. It went just as I planned and the next day waking up and going, I got a 10 minute walk outside and that was my best for that day.'cause I woke up late or I was up with the kids and they were sick or whatever it may be. Be flexible on what it looks like, but be consistent in your promise to yourself. So again, I'll share this example because I'm walking through this right now. So I'm doing 75 hard kind of I'm doing 20 minute workouts instead of 45, and I didn't take my picture one of the days and I was like, well, last time I did it, I just like totally stopped and I restarted. And then this time I was like, you know, I'm having a different goal this time. My goal is consistency. My goal is growth. My goal is to realign my actions, how I'm spending my time, and really getting that. And so it was like, do, what would I tell my kid in this moment? I wouldn't tell'em, well, you blew it. Start over on day one. Here's to another 75 days. Good luck. Yeah. Have fun with that. I just kept going, so like, it hasn't been perfect. I end a week from tomorrow, but it's like. I have still grown. The goal is still being reached. I'm still being consistent. Mm-hmm. My workouts and nutrition. You betcha. My reading has been on point, so like everything, it seems like, except for that one time when I didn't take my picture. But everything else is achieving the goal still. I'm still consistent. So it's like remembering the goal, being flexible in how you go about it, but just remembering. Consistency just means keeping a promise to yourself. And don't overwhelm yourself with like, I have to be consistent for like forever. Can you be consistent tomorrow? Can you be consistent today? What does that look like for you today? Mm-hmm. And then just make another promise. I'm just gonna do this at one more day. I'm gonna do it another day tomorrow. Yeah. And then tomorrow let's do it again. And if you need to tweak things. Allow yourself the freedom to tweak it so you're successful. So it's that it looks different, but we want this perfect thing, but it's not always perfect. Most of the time it's not. Right. Yeah. The flexibility piece, I, I definitely have done that before where I have something in my mind and I'm like, mm-hmm. Things need to go according to plan to get to this vision that I have, and yeah. Then yeah, I just end up frustrated or upset or something. So flexibility. Yes. I think that is something we can all. Apply in some area of our life as well. So in your experience with coaching moms, what are some of the biggest mind or logistical barriers that hold women back from prioritizing? I think we over complicate it. I think there's so much noise out there and it's like. If you follow one person, they're like, this is the only way. And then you follow someone else and you're like, Nope, that's not it. It has to be this way. So it's like, yeah, there's so much out there and it's all great, but it can't all work for you at the same time. And so I think we overcomplicate it. And if we start small. Instead of trying to like overhaul our entire lives or our entire pantries or you know, try to do like a 45 minute workout right off the bat, start small. Mm-hmm. And be consistent. And then you grow into your vision. So it's not just like this thing and I have to all of a sudden. Tomorrow I'm gonna run a marathon. That would be horrible. I would be in the hospital. Like you don't just like all of a sudden start that. I'm not a runner. Like I love to walk fast, but I'm not a runner. And so I think it's just starting small and trying to keep things simple. That's doable for you to have those small wins that will build on each other. Mm-hmm. And then Grace, because we want, just like I said a few minutes ago, we want that perfection. We want it to be check the box every day and it may not look like that and it's okay. Right? Yes. I've started. For each day, I have only like one goal, and right now it's in regards to my business because I will constantly just have like a loop going in my mind of all the things I need to get done, but it's like, well, they don't all need to get done right now. Right. When I add three plus things to my to-do list, I just. Freak out. So today, this is the one goal. If I finish and still have time, I can move on to the next one, but if not, you know, I can go hang out with my kids and know that Then the next goal will be accomplished tomorrow. Yeah, so, and I think too with going into the summer, like just looking at my schedule is very different. So like logistically I loved like dropping my kids off at school and then going and walking for 30 minutes and then coming home and getting ready. Well, like today, my daughter had, I. Camp and I wasn't able to do that. Like I had, I have meetings like today's kind of a fuller weekday than I normally have in the summer, and it's like I didn't have that time. So again, being that flexible, it may not look the same, but it's still going to happen. When within your, within whatever you have going on. And I liked what you also said about bringing your kids along. So like sometimes I'll work out before my kids wake up and I love that'cause it's quiet, it's peaceful, it's really like me time. But then I wanna, like you said, model. So when they were little and, and I just had gotten started, they would be on a play mat. And they would be playing next to me, and I would talk to them as I was working out. Or maybe they would be the wait for like one round or something. Yeah. And so it's like bringing them along and not having this constraint of like, I have to do this in sec, not in secret, but like before I can interact with them. Yeah. You're, you're passing your mindset, your thought processes onto them as you bring them along and you talk through what you're doing with them. Mm-hmm. That's amazing. Yeah. And actually going back to something you had said earlier, when about giving yourself grace. Mm-hmm. And you think about, well, what would I say to my kid in this if they were in this situation? You know? Yeah. And then say that to yourself instead of being so hard on yourself. But do you have like a practice or some way to re remember that in the moment? Maybe when you are feeling frustrated or something? I still have moments where I lose it. So don't get it twisted. But because I'm human, but also I think it just comes with practice. I think the more that you are intentional with, okay, when I, and it does, it takes some intentionality before that moment happens. You can't just like all of a sudden in the moment. I am going to like,'cause you're already, you're already there. You're already done. You're already like, I've already lost it. So setting something in the morning that day, what is going to possibly trip me up today? Could it be my kids are going to ask a thousand times for me to do something and I'm like. I don't have the space or capacity to do that with them. What am I going to do when it's the hundred millionth time? And I'm like, listen, we will do this tomorrow at this. Like, so it's, it's setting beforehand. How am I going to handle that stressor? How do I want to respond? What would my highest version of me do in that stressful moment? And you may not do that the first time, but the thought is there. And so when that stressful moment comes again, oh yeah, I was going to do, I was gonna respond in this way. So it's like that practice of being more aware will help you respond better, faster. So. In that moment. So again, giving you grace, giving yourself grace in that process. And then when you do lose it, go back to your kids or whoever you, even with yourself, meet with yourself later and be like, dude, we lost it. Yeah. Let's, like, let's figure out a different way to, to manage that stressor or that moment. What would my best self head would, what would they have done? Better or how would they have talked, or what would their solution have been? Mm-hmm. Maybe I can do that next time. Mm-hmm. And it's really just that awareness. Yeah. And practice. Mm-hmm. And grace along the way, which is also hard. It's so hard. Yeah. Okay. So you actually. Is this, each day as part of your morning routine, you kind of look at the day and say, where might I get tripped up? How can I be ready for this? I would love to say it's every day. That's the goal. Like that's the ultimate goal. It's mainly, it's a, it's pretty much like weekly, every couple of days when I know I have stuff on the calendar or like, for example, in the spring with PTA and school and all that. I know, okay, it's gonna get real crazy, real fast. How do I wanna show up? What's the energy I wanna bring? What would my best self, like if I were the people, other people in this situation, how would I want me to respond or to navigate whatever's happening? Or if it's with the, you know, if it's with the kids, whatever it is. But yes, I do, I do kind of do that forward thinking, just so it's. Planting those seeds so that when it happens, hopefully it triggers, sometimes it depends on what it is and how many seeds are in there. Yeah. But it, it starts that process of growing into that version of you. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Actually, I'm just remembering something that you had said within your membership mm-hmm. That I had not heard before because, so I still have like a physical. Planner, right? Mm-hmm. And each week I jot down mostly like the appointments and stuff that we have and all of that. But you had said, you know, think about how you wanna feel that day. Mm-hmm. And I was like, oh my gosh. I like that thought. Had never even crossed my mind. I'm like, no, again, it's a to-do list. I'm like, these are the things that have to get done. And I get so focused on that. But yeah, how do, do we wanna feel going through this life? Right? Yeah. We need to consider that as well. Absolutely. And what, because emotions are just. Totally in your control. Sometimes they don't feel like it because we get triggered or we respond instead of, or we react instead of respond. Uh, but the more, again, a more, the more you're aware of, okay. In stress, it's tough. How do I like, it's not like I'm gonna feel silly in that stressful moment, but what would that CEO version of me in the stressful business moment, what would they do? Well, they wouldn't be like. Harsh. They would be very direct. Like they would, they would be direct. They'd make decisions quick. They'd be very confident. Okay. So I wanna feel confident today'cause I have this meeting coming up and we gotta make some really big changes. I'm gonna shoot for that all day and kind of forward think a little bit or with your, you know, with your kids. Oh my gosh. Dinner time after dinner time is crazy. We all wanna be on our screens. We're so tired from the day. We started going to walk outside on a family walk after dinner. And I was like, that way we're all off our screens. I'm not frustrated'cause we're on screens. Yeah, because it's me too. Yeah. It's me. It's not just my kids and my husband. It's me too. Yeah. And so it's like, but we're getting outside, we're having conversation. My kids are interacting, we're all doing something together. And that solved the problem. Yeah. And so it's like, how do I want to feel and what would the best solution be? Yeah. Honestly, going outside for myself and my kids is like magical. Mm-hmm. So the second I start feeling stressed or anxious, or like the kids are just cranky or whatever. Mm-hmm. I'm like, let's go outside. We're going outside. Get your shoes off. We're going now. Yep. And then they can yell, they can do whatever and it's not, it's outside. So the sound's not like coming back to you like, oh my gosh. Right. They can move, they can jump, they can run. They can. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It's so great. I love that. Yeah. A little movement after dinner, and then I feel like that would calm things down for getting ready for bed as well. Yep. Yeah. And then everybody's ready. Everybody's calm. Yeah. Yeah. Well, okay, so this might be hard to narrow down for you, but just choose one thing. Mm-hmm. To start with. For someone who is, who feels overwhelmed, lost, and they're not doing anything for themselves right now, they're just taking care of everyone else. Is there one thing you would suggest? Oh my gosh, you're right. It is hard. I honestly would suggest trying to wake up maybe 10 minutes before, and of course, depending on the ages of your kids, and of course it's summertime, so my kids wake up, is. Crazy. Try to wake up 10 minutes before everybody else in your house because it's so different when you wake up in a calm, peaceful environment than when you have to wake up and you have to be on right away. Yeah. And even if it's listening to a podcast, sitting in silence, journaling, reading something, those 10 minutes. It just, I, it just does something to you as a mom when you can wake up in your control. And when my kids were little, I did this, and if they woke up, they just came and sat by me and they knew like, we can, this is mommy's time. You can be here. Yeah. But like, I'm not gonna play with you. Hmm. We will play in a minute. Mommy. Just need, this is mommy's time to kind of get ready for the day. It does something to your energy and your mindset and it, it just makes you a little bit more happy'cause you had a little bit more control. I feel like as moms, we don't have control over a lot, only because our kids are like, they need this, they need that. They forgot this at home. You gotta run something up to the school. Like there's so much that we do as moms and nurturers. That having those 10 minutes that you're like, yep. I decided when I got to wake up and I decided how I spent that time and it was so glorious. It's almost like you're ready for the, like, you're just ready for the, you're ready to serve. You're ready to give, you're ready to just be the best you.'cause you were able to wake up and fill your cup first. Mm-hmm. Even if it's just 10 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I have totally experienced this. Just this year I joined a gym and I started working out at five 30. Mm-hmm. But it's not every day, right? Yeah. So yeah, those 5:00 AM wake up calls are still very hard for me. So that's like two or three of my weekdays. And then on the other days I'm like, oh, cool. I get to sleep in until my kids wake me up. And. I know that's not how I want to wake up. Yeah. But sometimes still let it happen because I mean, right now it could range from like 5 45 to like seven 15. We never know when anyone's gonna get up. So it's like, well if it is closer to seven, that's really cool and I get more sleep, but. Yeah. And being woken up by someone else when you're not ready necessarily uhhuh it, it totally changes things. Whereas when I get up before them, you know, I'm already dressed for me, like I've noticed I need to just get dressed right away. I cannot linger in pajamas. Just getting dressed really helps too. But yeah, that time. To myself. It, it changes everything. Yeah. Yeah. I find I'm not as annoyed. I'm not like, oh, I actually want to see you and like, want to serve you breakfast and like, I'm not like, oh my gosh. Again, like I just woke up like, give me a minute, you know? So, yeah, totally. Yeah, I had the minute. Yeah. Well, Katie, this has been so amazing. Every time I talk to you, I learn something new. Mm-hmm. So thank you for sharing your insight, your wisdom, and you mentioned grace a few times, and I think that is such a good reminder. So. Let that be a lesson for everyone, that it needs to be constantly kind of yes. Brought back to our forefront. But thank you again and can you please tell everyone where to find you and let us know about your mom community? Yes. Okay. So I am on Instagram at Coach dot Katie dot Graham, and I have a mom community that I am building. I just. Started this in April, so it is in the very baby stages and I'm so excited. But it is basically just a group where we focus on growth. We focus on basically what we're talking about, just having those different mindset shifts and also being surrounded by moms who get it because like, I'm in the trenches with you. My kids are nine and 10, they are a little bit older, but I started doing some of these. Mindset tweaks and, and health and fitness when they were little, when they were babies. And so just being in the trenches with you, but also having that growth perspective and then sharing that with you and challenging you, and then also just having fun and celebrating, oh my gosh, this was a win. I was so nervous on Sunday, but like, look how we had navigated it and like. Yeah, it's a win. Or even if it's just like we, we really made it through and just having a place where moms can come and it's positive, it's growth focused. And it's like a co like a coach just speaking life into you. Who actually gets it?'cause I'm a mom too, so I'm excited. We have one call a month where we come and we ask any questions you have and then we chat about it and, i, yeah, so it's fun. It's I'll, I can send you the link and anybody can check it out and we'll hope to see you there. Yeah, and I can speak from experience that it is so wonderful and lovely and welcoming and I just, I get something out of it every time I pop in. So. And can you share your podcast too? Yes. So I have the Mom Connection podcast. It is on Apple and Spotify. For now, I'm gonna probably expand here in the next couple of months. Okay. To other networks. That way, wherever you listen, it will be available. But it is the Mom Connection podcast. And just a little 10 to 15 minutes. Sometimes it's longer, but just a lot more of this just moms coming together, growth-minded and just. Real life, but with growth as the focus. So yeah. So wonderful. You're, the work you're doing is amazing and like I said, just so necessary. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I feel it. I need it for me, so I'm like, I need to create it because I need it. Yeah, I know. Other people need it too, so. Exactly, yes. Well, thank you again. It was so lovely having you here. Thank you for having me. Thanks for hanging out with me today and tuning into the Nourished Living Podcast. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and found something you can start implementing right away to kickstart your nourished transformation. If you loved this episode, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, or share it with someone who could benefit from these insights. You can also connect with me over on Instagram at Nourished Living for more resources and support. Until next time, stay nourished.