Remembering Your Power in an Outsourcing Culture: How Tarot, Intuition, and Aligned Strategy Help Us Trust Ourselves Again with Jacqui Grossman

In this episode of The Visibility Standard (formerly All Our Parts) , I’m joined by Jacqui Grossman—intuitive life coach and founder of Divine Shine Coaching—for a soulful conversation about how tarot and coaching can work together to reconnect you with your power, clarity, and sense of purpose.

We talk about tarot not as fortune-telling or prediction, but as a reflective tool that reveals what’s already within you. This episode explores the difference between outsourcing your intuition and strengthening it, and how blending spirituality with grounded strategy can support real, embodied transformation—without bypassing responsibility or agency.

In this episode, we explore:

• How tarot reflects inner wisdom rather than predicting outcomes
• Using intuitive tools for clarity, confidence, and aligned decision-making
• The difference between fortune-telling and empowered inner guidance
• How spirituality and strategy can work together to create sustainable change
• Reclaiming your magic in a world that taught you to shrink and self-doubt

Whether you’re tarot-curious, deep in your self-growth era, or learning to trust yourself louder, this episode offers language for remembering what you already know—and permission to lead yourself from that place.

Your intuition isn’t random.
 Your power isn’t external.
 And your next step doesn’t require permission—just trust.

Connect with Jacqui Grossman: 

📲 @divine_shine_coaching

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:02

Hello everyone. Welcome back to all our parts. I am so excited to introduce my guest today. We just really vibed out the first time that we met. And so I was like, please come on. She is a life coach. She works with the intuitive, the astrological tarot reader, Jackie. Thank you so much for joining me today. I'm so happy to have you. Thank

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you. I'm so excited to be here. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_02: 0:28

Of course. So just to start, tell us about how did you get into incorporating tarot into life coaching

SPEAKER_00: 0:36

I've been doing tarot for a while as well as astrology for even longer and I found life coaching which seemed to be like such a fit and I quit my restaurant career of almost 20 years to in search of my life's purpose I was like this is not it it has to go I'm done I just can't go back anymore I'm putting my notice without a plan knowing that I would figure it out I found life coaching and it just really dawned on me that this is it. And every time I, I always say dip your toe in the water of something, if you're interested in it, which I've done with so many things so many times. And I, every time I would look up more about life coaching, it was just like, yes, it just got me really excited, lit my fire. And once I did that, I was like, okay, so I'm a life coach and I can help people in their big moments of transition and big life changes because that is like, that's my path. And so your gift is your wound is your gift. I didn't really see it as a wound, but it's the place that I felt my biggest transformation. And so that's what I can offer to someone else because I've been through it. But it still didn't quite make full sense, like to be a buttoned up life coach. And then I was like, I feel like I really need to incorporate tarot and astrology, which is something that I was keeping at arm's distance because of judgment, because of feeling like I would be weird or different or maybe actually seen for the first time, not just by my close friends who do tarot with me at home, but by the public. And I really sparked a generational ancestral wound of being burned at the stake. And it was like, just this big fear of being seen in like the spiritual way, but it was the only way. And I just like that once you like step into who you are, or any part of you, you realize how many people around you are just like you. It's never felt weird and maybe people don't ask me about it who aren't super into it and they weren't asking me before anyways that's okay

SPEAKER_02: 2:43

I love what you said though about sorry go ahead

SPEAKER_00: 2:48

I'm saying I'll still look up their birth chart and pull a tarot card for them against their will yeah

SPEAKER_02: 2:53

I think they should know they should know why they're so resistant to knowing their full life path

SPEAKER_00: 2:59

yeah or maybe just some inquisitive questions if they are it's extremely resistant

SPEAKER_02: 3:05

questions foster curiosity yeah but I love what you said about the wound being the using it to turn around to heal and I feel like so many of us who are into astrology we can overlook our chiron which tells us everything yeah As someone who that is like an attachment wound. And so that's like my, where my Chiron is. And so before I even knew that I was like, I want to not only heal my own karmic relationships, but also now I'm doing it out in the world. And so it's so interesting how we can turn that gift into something that can heal.

SPEAKER_00: 3:49

Yeah. I've just always been a fan of the shortcuts. Like you want to do this thing. Oh my gosh. I found a really easy way to do it. Let me just tell you, oh my gosh, like it would just make it so easy. And then you can do it too. When you're not a life coach, people don't really want the unsolicited advice. And so when I remembered, discovered, I don't know, thought of the life coach profession, I was like, this is it. This is where I can help people. And you want to get from A to B, I can help you as quickly as possible. Instead of you just flailing on your own. Or doubting yourself or second guessing or avoiding it for a while. All the things that we all do when we're trying to do something that is a little scary. Be our most authentic

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self. That is terrifying.

SPEAKER_00: 4:42

It's terrifying. It's a little scary. It's that which one?

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It's as you describe your work and as you describe yourself, I want I have to ask, have you always navigated change so easily? Because when I listen to you, I'm like, oh, my goodness, she like jumps with pivots. She is flexible. She is malleable to what's going on. Have you always been that way? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 5:07

I'm not really sure. Like people say this, you're not the first person who said this. And I'm like, wow, really? But I do love change and transformation because it's such like a moment where anything is possible. It's like all the doors are unlocked and you can just, you can rebuild and do something new. I feel like I really learned to embrace and love these really difficult, pivotal moments. monumental changes when I went through a breakup in my late twenties. And I went to just stay with a friend in LA for a month for the summer. Cause I, I could not be looking for a one bedroom apartment in Atlanta. It was like, I don't want to be here. I just need to get out. And she offered me to stay for the summer. And I went out to do that. And that summer I was just like my I'm from the South. So my motto, my now I know it's a mantra, but it was, my motto was let go and let God, but it was let go and let God. Lord Jesus, take the wheel. I'm not religious, but I was just like, I'm just going to see what the universe has in store for me. I'm just going to see what's around this corner or that looks pretty cool. What's over here. And every time I did that, I just kept getting new opportunities dropped in my lap. Even before I landed going home, I actually landed at the airport and I got a phone call from a restaurant owner who was asking me to fly to California to interview for this restaurant and they would move me ship all my stuff pay me I live in Santa Barbara all these like dreamy things and I was just like that's perfect because I had no idea what I was about to do coming back to Atlanta after my summer of fun and that was just I was like is this something that happens where you just go with the flow and magic happens and it's in my human design I read this more recently that I have to see it multiple times to know that something's true so I'm like okay maybe this is like a thing where You just do this. You put out this effort. You show the universe that you're ready for something. You take a big leap. You believe in yourself. And then everything happens for you. So I started encouraging. This was back when I was non-professionally life coaching my friends. I started encouraging my friends to do the same thing. I'm like, just do it. Why don't you just move? Why don't you just break up with them? You've been talking about it for six months. Just break up with them. You've been wanting to quit your job. Like, why don't you just apply to that place? Why don't you just apply? Just like encouraging them to do this thing that Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. sometimes more easily than others for sure. But I've just seen how magical it can be. So I get really excited by it, even though I understand it's usually a breakup or you lost your job or you're moving to a new city because of a reason outside of your control sometimes. So it feels really chaotic in your internal world, but it's actually a really magical moment that I get so hyped about.

SPEAKER_02: 8:13

Oh my gosh. I am, I'm like right now because you just spoke to I think a lot of times when we are in the midst of a huge shift when we are in the midst of a huge transition we're so focused on what's going on in the internal the grief the loss the heartbreak the unknown the fear of what's next and even that scarcity mindset starts to plug in and it's

SPEAKER_00: 8:37

what if I fail what if I don't make it what if it doesn't work out what if I don't like it all of the what ifs what if I quit my job and it was a huge mistake what if I break up with him and he's the love of my life you Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 8:49

But it sounds like you're able to stay present with the external as well and recognize that there's more to the picture that you don't even have any clue about yet, which is so cool. It

SPEAKER_00: 8:59

is really cool. There's so many possibilities. And when we're stuck in our cycle, routine, bubble, even community bubble, it's just hard to see the big picture. And I love foreign travel for that reason that you just like, even when you go to Thailand and you're like this place exists 24 hours a day seven days a week and whether I'm here or not it's just magical that like these places just exist like this it's what magic can I find in all of these moments of my life and maybe there's something bigger waiting for me maybe there's something greater out there even when I went through my like first heartbreak when I was like 15 it's but there's something so much better for you like he clearly wasn't your person so let him be gone

SPEAKER_03: 9:46

yeah

SPEAKER_00: 9:47

for me like heartbreak even it's easier to say it when I'm talking to a client than when you're going through it and it's so deeply painful personally but that's because everything you want is possible it's just not with this person so it's it is sad that it's not with that person but like it's happening so that you can still have it this is happening for you not to you

SPEAKER_02: 10:11

yeah As we were planning this episode, we were discussing what does it mean to follow our life purpose? What does it mean to make these pivots? And what you're speaking to is such a foundational piece of it. And that's like trusting that there is a larger picture that has not unfolded for you yet.

SPEAKER_00: 10:33

And also a large part of you that you have yet to discover. As I searched for my life purpose, I kept finding these little slivers of it that felt really aligned but it wasn't like this is the thing it wasn't like quit it all and just read tarot for your life I was like that just doesn't feel like that's what I'm going to do it just didn't quite feel like a yes like a hard yes for me and I think I'm still not even there like I know coaching is something that will always be a huge part of me and part of my life purpose but I still think there's more facets to discover like coming on this podcast what if I had my own podcast TED Talks I don't know. I think there's just a lot more possibilities than to say, okay, I'm a life coach. Check. I've did my life purpose and I'm just going to smooth sail the rest of my life because that's also not how I'm wired. I'm always wondering what's next or how can I grow? How can I expand? And as I've discovered more of who I am, I'm like, what else is there? What else is in there that I haven't discovered yet?

SPEAKER_02: 11:37

Yeah, that's, I sometimes recognize the universally Like exceeds my expectations. And so when I started my business, I initially was like, I'm going to practice therapy. Boom. And that's, this is going to be my space to practice therapy. And now I'm like, oh, I have no idea what this is about to look like because it keeps changing. It keeps growing and it keeps evolving into something. something I least expected, but that's because I was looking at my very narrow perspective and not allowing myself to be open to like the other possibilities that would be more in alignment with who I am. So what, I mean, what you're saying is resonating with me so much because right now I'm in this space where I'm like, oh, it can be more than what you even imagined.

SPEAKER_00: 12:30

And also more than what you are like told that it is supposed to look like. A lot of the times when I work with my clients about finding their life's purpose, it's actually about combining a lot of their gifts and talents, passions into something together. So it's like this, like you are the niche. You are this like multifaceted, complex individual. And how can we take your passion for all the things and turn it into something that is like so you and unique to your core. But that also means that it's a path that you've never seen anybody walk before so you don't know how to get there you don't know what it looks like and so you're like am I even going the right way does this even make sense is this a waste of my time but it never is because you're always going to figure it out you're always going to find the dead end or find the stop sign and you're like oh not that way I'll turn left and go this way now and you just keep stumbling down and along your path until forever that's just our life there's no finish line it's socially programmed you go to college you pick your job you do this thing and then you do it forever because that's not how we are as a society anymore we want to travel we want to go out we want to be community we want to do these things we want to expand so to say I'm going to pick my job and just stick with it forever who I was when I was 20 and pick this job and who I am when I'm 40 is not the same person so I'm supposed to stick with it just doesn't align so I think it's just again it's continuing to follow your path and you could do it every year on New Year's Eve where you like say I'm going to do this new thing or you could do it 365 where you're like constantly oh there's a new opportunity let me see what's down here oh this is a new person that I randomly met when I went to this coffee shop I wasn't expecting to go to but I decided to stop and then I met this person and then we talked about this and those are those like cosmic magical moments of listening to this intuition higher power spirit guides whatever you you'd like to call them and you meet someone magical and then something happens from it and you just keep following down the path 365 it's like the constant change in evolution which is definitely where I've been heavy on this summer and so when you asked you asked before we started recording how is this like the cosmic transit solar what's happening a solar eclipse right now I just feel like I have been in flow and I have been like following my path like very diligently So it feels easy right now, but all that being said, awakenings are always to come.

SPEAKER_02: 15:15

Always. How do you... What's your advice to people to prepare themselves to sit with these shifts like you said we are in the midst of an eclipse right now we got out of retrograde season, a few weeks ago, how do you prepare your clients to explore their life's purpose.

SPEAKER_00: 15:38

Journaling is definitely helpful. I do a lot of voice journaling. And I also find tarot to be helpful because whether you believe in tarot or not, whether you want to use that as part of your practice or not, how often do you ask yourself, what is something I need to let go of right now? What is something that's challenging me right now? What is something that I'm scared to do, but I want to do anyway? And that is what I am using tarot for. And it brings up these things that are deep in my psyche that I'm trying to overcome. void that I'm trying to just like play and frolic and have fun. But it keeps saying, you should try and do this. And I'm like, no, I'm scared. I'm going to avoid it. So I think it's just like asking yourself these real questions, even for this eclipse. I'm doing a new moon ceremony with some gals tonight. Part of it is like, what is it that you're afraid of right now? What is it that you want to do that you're scared of? Because these huge life purpose shifts are often found in the place. It's in the darkness, which is why it's Mm-hmm. And that you've been avoiding it. That it's hidden within you. That you're like, oh, no, I don't want to do that. That's really scary. Because what if?

SPEAKER_02: 17:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 17:11

You're avoiding something. So let's just like, you haven't ever talked it out because you keep avoiding it. So what if we actually just talk it out? What if we talk about the what ifs and we can decide if any of those what ifs are true or not? And then what would be the first step that you could take and see if it is a good fit. We're not going to, you say you want to be a astronaut tomorrow. You want to be an astronaut, but you're so afraid. You don't want to go back to school. What if it's a waste? What if you don't actually like it? You're not going to be on a rocket ship tomorrow. Anyway, let's be real. First, you're going to have to go back to school. First, you're going to have to apply to places. There's a lot of intermediary steps. So what if you start even looking into the intermediary steps and decide, and you'll know if it gets you excited or if you're like this is not it for me this isn't it actually it's close it's something two degrees left of being an astronaut I'm not sure what that is yeah but it can help inspire some better alignment for where you are along your path But if you don't even explore it to begin with, then you're just still where you are. You haven't started and you haven't moved. So it's like the poking and prodding and just like having the honest conversations with yourself. It's difficult to do that though. So that's why I find that a life coach is really helpful. Someone who can ask you those questions in a safe container where no one's forcing you to do anything, but they also can hold you accountable to like actually answering that question. We all see like the... the quotes on Instagram that are like, what would you do if money weren't an option? And you're like, oh, totally. And then you scroll. You don't actually answer the question. Answer the question. What's the answer to that question? Take a minute. Stop. Notice where in your body it starts to feel a little frazzled. What is the first memory or thought that comes up? And that might not be the answer, but that is going to take you to the answer. So we can just talk about it out loud. And even like helping people connect with their life's purpose. A lot of the things are things that we enjoyed or were passionate about when we were younger before all of the. shoulds of going to college and getting a job and paying for rent and then partying with friends all got in the way

SPEAKER_03: 19:33

yeah

SPEAKER_00: 19:35

so we can just go back like time travel a little bit to that version of you and ask her a bunch of questions or him a bunch of questions seeing what's happening there yeah you're like oh yeah I forgot I always wanted to have bees you're like what bees are like yeah I always wanted to have bees I totally forgot about it because I got pregnant then I had a kid and then I got divorced and then I quit my job and I was living with my parents and of course you forgot about having bees you've been in fight or flight for 10 years so a few questions in one of my clients is like oh yeah bees I'm like okay let's make a plan for bees like you're the bee queen got it so sometimes it's just some easy questions that we avoid because we don't spend the time with ourselves we're just so busy all the time which is an excuse and a social construct and expectation of productivity or whatever but spend some time with yourself and this is back to the tarot I always pull a chair apart and it's a way for me to connect with myself how I feel what I want what's going on and like where I am today and how I can show up for myself and just stay really connected with myself and maintain that inner fortitude

SPEAKER_02: 20:50

yeah and how grounding it's to be open to the process of it, because you're right. A lot of times our fear and anxiety jumps out when we are at like stage 10, we're thinking about being an astronaut or performing at Madison square garden or like the last

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final test. You're like, you're not even in school.

SPEAKER_02: 21:17

You haven't even gotten there. And we work ourselves up rather than the process will tell us everything we need to know.

SPEAKER_00: 21:25

and even my sister she was never like a big fan of going to school and she also was paying for her school for herself so she's if i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it like for me i'm not just gonna go pay for college just because i'm supposed to and she's in law school now and she's brushing it like she's never been an a student middle school elementary school high school she's never been like she's like has like a 98 average or something ridiculous like she just loves it she's in to it so she could say what if I fail I've never been good at school that's just a self limiting belief maybe you had a lot of things going on at home and maybe you weren't interested and all of the reasons but it's like what if you love it and you can't get enough of it and what if you actually thrive

SPEAKER_02: 22:14

Asking the other side of those questions of the what ifs. What if you do well? What if you succeed?

SPEAKER_00: 22:20

Or what if you aren't doing well, then what can you do? You can get a tutor. You can find some study groups. You can find some people that are good at it and you like them as a person and you can work with them. So even the what ifs sometimes, okay, that is a reality. What if you're not good at it? What if you don't like to study well? What can you do? Yeah. Okay. Putting your job and wanting to chase your life purpose. You need income. Yes. So do you keep your job or do you want to like, I can, I wait to, I used to wait tables. So like I'm immune to, I'm allergic to being broke. I could always make money. I can always pick up a bartending job or server job. Is that my dream? No. I was like the GM of a restaurant. I have no business serving or bartending, but if I need to make money so that I can chase my life's purpose, I can. So if you need to make money so that you can go after the thing you can do that but then there's all the excuses i don't really want to do that do you not want to serve or do you not want to live as a whole human being knowing that you're going after the thing you want your lifetime like when you're on your deathbed are you going to regret that time you picked up a server job to go after your dream or are you going to regret never giving it a try so if we can just go after it Give yourself a year. I don't know. Put a time constraint around it. Say, I'm going to try this for six months, like full on giving it a hundred percent effort for a month, two months. I'm going to do a life coaching program three months and let me see how far I get. Cause in three months, are you going to be an astronaut? No, but you might be like really confident you're in school. You're like taking some action. You're taking some steps. Like you're a lot further than you were. And then the hardest part is the initial coming up with momentum going from zero. zero to even one is the hardest part. So everyone's worried about like step 50 and you just have to do one thing. Let's just do one thing and then we'll do the second thing. But sometimes it's hard to figure out what the first step is. And a lot of times it's a really small, easy, even just like investigatory step where you just do some research and see if it fits. One time I wanted to be a doula before when I was like trying to figure out my life's purpose. I I just had babies and I was like, I could be a doula. I love helping people through big moments. Thought of like life and birth and creation is so in line. And I was researching the qualifications and I was like, I don't want to do any of this. This is, no, this sounds so boring. I didn't like it. So I was like, I guess that's not it. And then I thought about life coaching and I started looking everything up and I was like, I have to do this. Every single thing I saw, I was like, yes. Every morning I woke up and I was like, I'm doing another thing. chapter in my workbook like I was just all about it because I was excited so that's part of the process too is you got to start somewhere yeah

SPEAKER_02: 25:23

do the relationships around you impact how you pursue your life's purpose

SPEAKER_00: 25:30

like with friends yeah

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anybody

SPEAKER_00: 25:35

I don't think so. Do the relationships around me impact how I move through my life's purpose? I don't think so. Maybe they used to. I'm not super... I think I was just so caught up in the restaurant world that I wasn't like in that like part of my career. Like I'm going to do this thing. I'm going to have this career. Like I'm supposed to, I'm going to get out of restaurants and maybe be like a consultant or something like that. Or maybe I'll move into HR, like something outside of the building. And so I think I was working on that trajectory for so long that I was also in fight or flight and it was hard for me to like step outside of that place to like assess, is this my life's purpose? Yeah. i don't think that necessarily people have influenced that decision i don't know that it's always been an easy one because even with the spirituality aspect like what would people think what would my parents think or like how would they look at me because we don't necessarily talk about tarot literally ever but I think when I was just reading all the life coaching stuff, I was so jazzed by it that there was no turning back. And then knowing that I had to incorporate tarot and astrology just for my wholeness. And it also didn't make sense to not use it for me. It makes no sense to not use tarot to connect with your highest self and your intuition and your gut. It makes no sense to not use astrology to look at your gifts, your career placements, your talents, your shadow, where you need structure. It's there. Literally, it's a cheat code for your whole life. So you might as well use it because it's just... so much information it's an information is good instead of trying to change yourself or fix yourself you're like dude this is actually just who I am I was made perfectly okay so I'm just going to take all of the pieces and I'm going to use them good bad or otherwise it might have been a little question marky with people around me how I was going to incorporate it all but it was also like the only way and I also surrounded myself with people who were like-minded and so I felt like I was with a community that was supportive and And just, I always know that when people don't get it, they just, that's just where they are on their journey. That's just where they are on their healing journey. But I know it to be true in my heart from my lived experience. So I think there have been some disappointments and like how people have shown up or not shown up for me as I've stepped into my purpose, which feels like such a monumental, like the angels are trumpeting. Like everyone should be like, how's it going? And that's okay too. That's just been like a little bit of a, I'm not doing it for them. I'm doing it for me. I'm not doing it for a pat on the back. I'm doing it because this is really important to me. And my husband has just been always the most supportive and even me quitting my job without a full plan just to take my life's purpose. He's like, do it, babe. Yeah. So yes and no.

SPEAKER_02: 28:37

Yeah. It helps to have like-minded people around you because that's how we learn. Sometimes that's how we grow and sometimes when our internal motivation, our intrinsic motivation isn't feeling that motivated, we can lean on our community, our

SPEAKER_00: 29:00

support system. are just like super aligned and more aspects that I can rely on and get that support and I slowly but surely found them for sure I think that's the hard part so most of my friends are not in Denver a lot of my witchy community is from the internet to be honest and we like chat all the time and in a funny way through threads people don't know how to use threads yet it is how I met you actually but But people are like, where are my Denver witchy mamas at? And no one does anything about it. But recently I've been like, do you want to? Yeah. Do you like, let me follow you. Let's see how we feel. Do we vibe out? And I'm like, actually, I love your vibe. And you can always tell if someone on Instagram is who they portray themselves as. And you can tell if someone's like authentic or if it's just like their Instagram persona. Sometimes I meet people and I'm like, you are like soul sister. I think we could. So I've been like connecting with more Denver gals who I really resonate with. So slowly but

SPEAKER_02: 30:31

surely. And kudos to threads. Like reds is really connected. I'm

SPEAKER_00: 30:35

not sure what it is yet, but it's something's happening.

SPEAKER_02: 30:39

It's connected us to magic. Truly. It's

SPEAKER_00: 30:44

true.

SPEAKER_02: 30:46

How can people work with you? How, if they're interested, this conversation has just been so inspiring, especially in this eclipse season. It is just the reminder that you are the only person in your way from your life's purpose.

SPEAKER_00: 31:06

Yeah. And your own sense of magic is so unique to you. It's not, let me follow this witchy guide on Instagram and do all the things that she does, because if it doesn't feel authentic to you, then it is not your magic. And I think even your life's purpose is your magic. It's the thing that you like, that brings out this spark, this inner fire, this like voice of wisdom from your ancestors. I don't know. So it's like, even just connecting with your life's purpose is part of connecting with your own magic I do tarot readings I offer tarot readings plus coaching so it's my cards to clarity session where we do a 30-minute tarot reading and in the past when I've done tarot readings you're like okay this is some clarity but what do I do with all this information and I forget half of it before I leave my session so we actually make a game plan together and go through like how your reading was and then actually talk about logistics in your real life because there's like the fifth dimension of the magical woo-woo stuff but we are here and on earth so it's like how do we bring the two together how do we take all of the messages and wisdom and guidance that you're being given through the tarot cards and then actually apply them to your real life so that change can happen and not just walk away Like you connected to your highest self, but then nothing changed. Nothing happened. And then now what do I do? How do I actually apply this? So that's my Cards to Clarity coaching call. It's an hour session. These are all bookable through my Instagram. There's a link to my Calendly where you can book this Cards to Clarity session. And then I also offer a three month container. It's my rebirth program because we are rebirthing who you are, where we can hit the reset button on your life. Historically speaking, we can reset your routine's habits things that are going on and realign with your highest self with your life's purpose that's really what is gonna what comes from it all is like aligning with you and who you are what you want what your voice is and really just like removing all of the layers of who you are not and then by finding out and resetting to who you are and connecting with your authority then we can connect with your life's purpose knowing that you have more of a your path because all of this programming of what you are capable and not capable of and should do and shouldn't do and what people expect of you has been removed as we discover who you are on the inside so that's my three month rebirth program which if you're interested I'm always a big fan of the dipping the tail in the water as we've talked about a few times you're not just going to click bye and then we're all of a sudden working together I always want to make sure that we're a good fit as well not just you for me but me for you if you don't don't feel like we vibe, then I'm not the coach for you. I'm really, I think that aligning with people and a coach, if you're a client looking for a coach, finding a client that you resonate with is super important. So I have discovery calls available, which is on my Calendly link as well, where we can just talk about what's going on in your life. What's not going great? What is going great? What's important to you? Where do things feel really like stuck and stagnant? Where would you like to be? You might not even know. And And I can tell you about my program, my background, what I've been through, where I've come from. That way, you can either resonate with some of the words that I'm saying, or you're like, actually, this is not a good fit. I'm not ready for this. Or there's another coach that I talked to that was really speaking my language. And that's fine, too. But I always feel like you don't know unless you find out and doing these like big, scary, amazing finger quotes, scary life reset moments can be intimidating, but also being stuck and feeling like you're just like living groundhog's day and not really living your authentic life working for someone else might feel like a little comfortable because it's familiar but it's also not serving you so I feel like at some point everyone kind of gets to a point where they're like I've got to do something about this I cannot keep going on the way this is happening and I'm ready to step into my purpose and that's either now or it'll be in a year or two or three years but if you're already having the like nudge and the inkling it's not going to go away so I feel like you might as well just have a call and talk about where you are and then make the decision after the call another thing that we avoid yeah so you can book either a discovery call to chat with me or you can even just send me dms on instagram and say I met you or heard your podcast heard you on the podcast and just wanted to chat I'm always up for chat. So there's not like 17 layers between me and my potential clients, like some of the big mega coaches where you can't actually speak to them and they have people replying to their DMS and stuff for them. So I just try and keep it small enough so that I can maintain an authentic relationship with not just my clients, but anyone who's on my Instagram as well. Cause I take that as not just a sales or marketing platform, but it like, as I said, And that's how I've met so many friends and people in my community that it's important for me to show up

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Everyone, her information will be linked in the show notes. Please go check her out. She is absolutely amazing. Jackie, thank you so much for joining me today.

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Thank you so much. I loved it.