cutting ties, setting boundaries & healing family wounds with Josi Dumont

in this powerful episode, i’m joined by leadership & mindset coach josi dumont for an honest conversation about what it really means to set boundaries with toxic family members.

we talk about:

✨ josi’s story of navigating family estrangement, including her relationship with a narcissistic parent

✨ why guilt keeps us stuck — and how to move through it

✨ redefining “family” and building community rooted in mutual love & respect

✨ how to protect your peace without apology

✨ actionable steps to start trusting yourself and healing from harmful dynamics

if you’ve ever felt trapped between obligation and authenticity — this episode is your permission slip to choose yourself.

connect with josi:

📲 @josi_dumont

🌐 Josi’s Linktree

Transcript

 Hello, everybody. Welcome back to All Our Parts. I am so excited to introduce my guest for this week. She just pitched a thriller idea and I am literally so excited to talk about it. She is a leadership and mindset coach and  Yeah. I'm just so excited. Josie. Thank you so much for joining me today. Oh, gosh.

Thank you so much. Jasmine for having me. I'm super excited to be here.  So just to dive right in. I mean, family is not always thicker than water, and that is a lesson that so many of us  experience, but don't give space to talk about. So just to kind of start, what, what inspired you to,  you know, want to speak on this?

so much.  What inspired me to talk about this is definitely that one, we don't talk enough about it. It's kind of like,  uh, almost like a taboo topic. Like there's so much judgment immediately, like how dare you speak about this? Or how dare you setting up boundaries with your parents? How dare you not having a relationship with them?

Like, how dare you cutting them out of your life? Like all of those things.  But what I see as more important is your own happiness in life. And if a person does not contribute to that, or even drains your happiness, or even makes your life just living hell, then they do not deserve  a place in your life. It is a toxic person.

And sometimes those toxic people can come from family, even though we don't like it. And I've experienced it myself for sure in the past, so that's why I wanted to  come on and share about this because it is a really, really important topic. Yeah. In my heart.  100%. And it,  there's like a level of guilt sometimes too that comes with making the choice to either part ways from family, restructure what that family relationship looks like that.

I know for myself, I have definitely sat with like, I'm like, I know these people are not like good for me to have in my life and I'm like, but they're my family  and I want to be able to figure it out. And so many of us sit in that space of, I want to figure it out because they are a family. And to your point, if a person is not contributing to living  your best, most authentic life, then they shouldn't have a place in your life.

And  biologically we do place that pedestal on family. And then when we separate.  When we ask ourselves, if we were related by blood, would I really have you in my life?  If the answer is no, then it's like,  why do we, why do we make those  permissions anyway? And that's really the problem I see here. Like,  why do we? 

Why do we use like the connection through blood as that one ultimate excuse that no, we have to keep this person in our lives? Like, as you said, like if they weren't related,  would we still keep them around? Like most likely not. It's a lot easier to then like cut off, but because you have apparently like this unbreakable bond. 

You're, you're like, Oh no, I have to make this work. I have to get along with them. I have to invite them to my wedding, to my birthdays. I have to send them cards and like all of those things. And I keep up maybe a facade or like a relationship that actually You don't like, but the question is like, at what cost,  if the cost is way greater than what you actually get out of it, especially if you only get pain and being hurt out of it, then  it's not worth it.

It's just not worth it. Yeah.  You know, as much as you feel comfortable sharing, what does your family structure look like right now? Or who are people you keep in touch with or not keep in touch with?  Yeah, so I changed my family structure in terms of like how I stay in touch with them, who do I allow into my life.

Very drastically when I turned 25, um, up until then I was trying all the things. I was like, no, it's family. I got to go to the birthdays. I got to show up. I got to play the game, got to put a happy smile on my face when I see them. But oh my gosh, every single time, like on my mother's side, but also my father's side, especially,  There were so many moments, so many comments that just felt like being stabbed in, into the back, into my heart.

There was so much judgment, kind of like behind the back talking and gossiping. And I was just like, sorry, but this is family.  Like, if I look at any movie, at any like children's picture book, whatever, family looks always different. And of course no family is perfect, but this. hurts. So  when I was 25, like on my birthday, I was like, okay, cool.

We shall make some decisions now. We shall make some changes because I'm sick of this. I was so sick of it. And specifically, so relationship to my dad was a very, very tricky one. Um, he was, a very narcissistic parent. So everything would evolve around him. He would always want to be like the center of attention.

Oh, that's my shared experience. Obviously he would say something else, but I wouldn't know what he would say. Um, but it was always very manipulative. He always said, Oh yeah, like this is a play, a game we are playing and I'm going to win this game. And he was always kind of like in a flash. Freud against my mom, uh, kind of like a,  like revenge kind of game where he was like, Oh, I'm going to win against your mother and you have to play with me and you have to do all of these things.

And then in the same sentence, he would call her all the names,  all the names. And then right after he would say things like, and you're exactly the same, like your mother, you're exactly the same. So. Within like one conversation, he tried to manipulate me to be on his side. He insulted me. He made me feel like shit, like all of those things.

He insulted also other family members. He always was saying like, because of my son, I'm like, Oh yeah, you're just a do more. You're like the others. You're like the rest of them. So that was a very, very, very toxic and draining relationship.  So. And my 25th birthday, I sent him an email and I did try to talk about this with him beforehand.

I was like, listen, like this doesn't work. I can't, I can't do this anymore because it's too painful. It just hurts so much. And I'm not happy around you. When I think about you, I'm not happy. Any conversation that we're having is just a draining, like literally the life juice out of me. So.  Because those kind of conversations were very fruitless.

I've sent him an email and was just like, look, this is how it goes from now on. We will have no contact contact no more. I will do everything without you. I will do life without you. There will be clear boundaries. And  You can respect them or you, you cannot, but this is my, these are my boundaries and I will honor them because I want to be happy in my life now.

And he wrote back  something around like  understood and accepted with kind regards. And then he signed with his name and I was like.  I've expected worse,  but that's okay.  And since then,  um, I didn't have any contact with him. So I really cut that relationship, but also with some other family members on my mom's side, like my aunts, some cousins, I did not go to any more like family come togethers because I just couldn't stand this toxicity anymore.

It was just too much because once I saw what was going on,  it was, unbearable. I can't even like describe it differently. It was just unbearable. And I just felt like I was valuing my life and my own happiness way more than  putting up this facade to make them happy. So there was a big inward focus. And they did say things like, Oh, Josie, you're so selfish.

Like, what about us? Like, don't you love us anymore? We love you so much. We're always there for you. And I was like, the thing is though, you're not.  Like, you're saying this, but you're not.  So, no, thank you. I'm, I'm going, I'm going to the UK. I'm moving away and I shall do my own thing. And yeah, so since then I also cut the relationship to them. 

One relationship that I did not intend to change at first was the relationship to my grandma. That was a very, very dear relationship to me. So, she was kind of like a parent figure almost to me. She was always very much. involved in my life and she was always kind of like a go to person for me to like, trust and like, be around. 

But then certain things happened, especially after I cut off the relationship to my dad because she is his mom. Um, she didn't understand. And then there were some things happening where she  just stepped literally again into my back and I was just like, whoa,  whoa. Those were like the most painful moments.

Almost, because  I felt, um,  very much betrayed,  betrayed by the one like I love the most and the one I literally  wanted to keep in my life the most, like the one I valued the most in terms of my family as well.  But then all of those things happened, so the relationship kind of fizzled out and it's on the one hand very sad, but on the other hand, I still stand strong to,  but I need to be happy first. 

I can't,  I can't like bend myself and be inauthentic  to make those other people happy.  So that is one relationship where I'm still working actually like through grief at times, especially around my birthday, which is actually upcoming next week. So that's when these feelings, these emotions come up really, really strongly.

And I do want to point that out because  That might be also why this topic obviously is really hard to talk about because there's so much to work through. There is so much sadness, so much grief,  but there's also so much happiness gained from it. And.  the feeling of staying authentic, the feeling of staying true to yourself will always  overweigh, like balance out those feelings of like  feeling icky because you have this mask on your face.

Yeah.  I resonate with so much of what you just said and empathize with so much of what you just shared.  And it's interesting because we have very similar familial, um,  people that We have had to make very serious, like decisions about, I went, uh, no contact with my dad at 16. Very, he would, he wanted to be on his side.

And then at the same time would insult me,  call me names. I'm like,  I can't do this. And like, I actually can't do this anymore. And my parents had shared custody. They also couldn't stand one another. And so I was the triangulation piece that you just described.  being in the middle of that as a child, I am like,  please hire a mediator, not me.

But  even at 16, I was like  this, I can't, I don't know what something different looks like yet because I also had really challenging relationships with like my cousins, like some aunts and things. It's like, I don't know what different looks like at 16.  But this can't be the bet. Like this cannot be it. And so having that contact cut off, it's been, I haven't seen him in 10 years.

And I actually just shared that with my aunt recently. And she was like,  Again, shows how close we are. So he was like, you really haven't seen him in 10 years. I was like,  correct. Like  I told you all, I went no contact with him. It wasn't  a frivolous concept. I was very serious about that.  But my grandmother was also somebody I actually had to recently go no contact with because she  made like a disparaging remark as relates to my like relationship.

And.  In those moments, like the way you just described it, it's like, what the fuck? Like, you've, it's like, really? Like,  Now I have to make a very hard choice and so  I, I remember sitting across from her and letting her talk and say what she needed to say. And then I was like, you know what?  I'm leaving.  And we were, we've been no contact for the last like two years.

Mm.  I feel with you. It's not gonna work.  So yeah, it's like this, it's a gut punch, honestly. And like you said, working through  the feelings.  And I think sometimes, I don't know if you can relate to this.  almost feel like embarrassed.  Yes, yes, I can relate to this very much. And I think, actually, do you know where I feel like that might be coming from? 

From feeling like you have to be the good daughter, the good granddaughter, the good girl, like, the one who manages it all, and then we experience this kind of failure where we have this relationship that didn't work out  and it's so easy to then put blame onto ourselves and obviously feel embarrassed for like, one, it not working out, but at the same time also embarrassed for how could I let this even happen to me. 

So they're two sides of the coin, I feel like, and they're both,  they're both hard,  hard to work through. Yeah. And even,  like, I remember growing up and seeing other people with their dads and I'm like,  Oh, I know I'll never have that. And feeling that jealousy and that embarrassment that I, like, don't even want to be seen with my father. 

It's like,  man, I don't have the picture perfect, like, family dynamic.  If I know for me, I was around a lot of people who did like they had mom and dad in the house. They had siblings. I'm an only child. And so  always looking and being like,  wow, that is I'm in a real lonely spot.  A because I don't have the family to connect to, but I also don't have friends  that can really sit with where I'm at right now. 

Yeah. That's the tricky part. Like many people can't understand, especially if obviously they have maybe like really healthy family dynamics and you are then there from the outside looking in and it's just like,  but why can't I have that? Like why is it so hard for me? And your friend is like, I want to be there to support you, but I really don't get what you're going through because I don't experience that.

Yeah. And.  I don't know how often I've like tried to tell people my upbringing, my, my story and try to make sense of like how my parents are around me and how they make me feel and what's going on. Um, Probably oversharing in so many conversations with people I just met as well because it was just like seeking for this, do you understand me? 

Um, but most people didn't. And after a while, I was just like,  Maybe that's okay. Maybe they don't need to understand. And I did find along the way, those people who would be there, no matter what, it didn't matter that they had maybe like better family dynamics or not. They were just like here for Josie, I love you. 

And that's all that matters. And that was then really the support that helped me to form  bonds that to me personally were way thicker than bonds to family. Like they would outweigh. Any blood connection that I had, and I'm so grateful to still have these people in my life and I'm just like, wow, thank you.

And this seeing like this value and this difference in those relationships between your friends that who are truly there for you compared to the ones who were supposed to be there for you, who was supposed to love you unconditionally is worlds apart, worlds apart. Yeah. Which is literally why I'm saying like, yeah, blood ain't thicker than water.

Sauce, but. It's not. But you just spoke, oh my goodness, this is the perfect segue because you just spoke to a  The lonely aspect of it where we are seeking that connection  because we have no idea where we're relearning how to connect with people. We are relearning what it means to share, to be open with other people.

And so it does feel like oversharing. Cause you're like, Hey, like I don't have a family. Like I don't have anyone in my family that I can connect with. And I'm going to put this out there and then hope you receive it. And there is that space where you're like,  just keep it to myself. Yeah. Yeah. And then  time passes, healing happens, life happens and you meet those people and you recognize like  maybe 16 year old me didn't know the difference, but me now I'm like,  I absolutely do know the difference.

I have the difference now. And this feels so much better than the situations that I was in  years ago. What is it? What do you think is the first step in rebuilding community?  I feel like the first step is in,  to me personally, it was overcoming the fear of being hurt by the ones I love the most.  And that is something that my coach actually told me back in  2020, 2021, because that was at one of my lowest points in life.

So everything else was crushing around me. The long term relationship I was in, like, turned really toxic. So even though we got married like right after, like three weeks after we got divorced because I just couldn't stand it anymore. Like I had to once again choose myself, but at the same time  have all these people with their opinions come back at me and hurt me.

So the fear of being hurt by the ones I loved the most was so huge. And that's something I really had to work on overcoming. Um, To be able to trust again, because it's a trust thing. It's the trust thing in terms of like trusting other people and being like,  I still see the good in you. I still trust that you can be, that you are, that you are an incredible person and you bring value into my life, but to also trust for those who don't, that you can cut them off.

No questions asked.  And I feel like overcoming this kind of fear starts with rebuilding love to yourself. I mean, any, any community building, relationship building always starts with the relationship to yourself. And that can be done through various ways, obviously, like just doing the inner work, doing the mindset work, going into the fears, going into your limiting beliefs, working through all of that.

But also, and it's something  I've been loving to do personally is go on solo trips.  Take yourself out on a date, take yourself out into a coffee shop, go to the cinema, like romanticize your life when this one relationship with this one person that stays with you your whole life, that is you.  And once you can build that trust to yourself again, you can expand that.

And you can also expand that love and that compassion and that kindness once again to others. And that's where you then can rekindle even relationships or build new relationships. For me, that helped to one, strengthen the relationship to some friends I already had that I still have in my life. And I'm so grateful for that.

But it also helped me to rekindle, restart my relationship to my mom because I cut that one off as well. So both parents were out of my life for a long time  by doing this inner work. And she actually did the work herself without me telling her, obviously, but she did some inner work herself and that was then forming this new basis.

So it do feel like if there has been a broken relationship,  both parts need to be willing to work on it. But it starts with the inner work and then to maybe venture out a little bit and be like,  what do you think about this? And we literally connected, reconnected back again on topics like,  like energy, like the universe manifesting, you know, like kind of like passion topics, but that helped us to just find this common ground again.

And I know we will never, ever have like this incredibly loving mother daughter relationship. But that's fine. Like, because I know what we have right now is something new, something special that we never had. And it's based on, like, true feelings of love. But it took us doing the inner work first and really focusing inwards first.

Yeah. I mean, honestly, to that, I want to say, forget everyone else for a second.  It starts with rebuilding that relationship to yourself. Because  Our internal voice is now influenced by our family. And so our internal voice is a combination of what we think of ourselves, but also what they think of us and those negative messages.

And so if that is still being funneled and played out in our mind, it's impacting the choices we make.  It's certainly reinforcing the limiting beliefs that we might have. So we have to rebuild that relationship to ourself, knowing that we are our own safe person, that we are our own trusted guide, that we are our own compass.

And we can make choices to be  in community with people that truly love us and see us. But it's, it truly,  the external cannot  reflect the internal until the internal has been addressed. 100%, 100%. We really got to learn to work through detaching all of that, like conditioning that comes from the outside, everything that's not us.

And to really start coming back home to ourselves, who we truly are at our core, like who we authentically are. And yes, that is scary work. Like we got to look at like, okay, who is Josie actually? Who is Jasmine actually? Like, What do we like? What are our strengths? What are our weaknesses? Like, how do we deal with difficult situations?

How do we deal with good situations? Can we actually deal with heavy emotions? Like, what are all of those things that make us us? And I feel like that's where also my coach actually helped me a lot, um, just through having this external perspective, but to guide me to find out things about me, like my values, my goals, my dreams,  what I want to stand for.

Like, what do I want to have written literally on like the tombstone of my grave at the end of my life? Like, what do I want my life to stand for, my legacy that I want to leave? And also like the generational like traumas and BS that I want to break through. Like I,  I don't want to bring the same stuff into the relationship with my kids.

So I got to work it out. I got to figure it out now to, to heal that. So I can be a better parent, but that really starts with this kind of like deep level of self awareness and getting to know yourself and  yeah, really peeling off those, those barriers. Layers of the onion that have been around you, like those social tour expectations, parental conditioning, all of that stuff, peel it all away.

So you find actually like who you truly are again at your core. And  I don't think this is an, like an, an ending journey. Like there's no real end to it. I think like we do that actually our whole life.  Yeah, it's, it's, it's hard work and it's consistent work. Like even me now as a leadership in mindset, cause I'm still doing the work.

Like it doesn't stop. Like they come, they still come up. I still have those happy emotions. Like when I talk about my family and stuff,  but it gets easier and you learn the tools along the way and you learn more and more to  really respect and accept and love yourself for who you are and just.  Build this deep love to yourself that just feels so empowering and so freeing as well because you know you have your own back and you're like, I got me. 

I literally got me and that is so much more worth than,  yeah,  a fake relationship to someone where you're like, no, no thanks.  And  it does get easier. And even as you rebuild and recreate. new relationships in your life, those relationships make it so much easier to look at family dynamics and say,  I am not tolerating that.

At least, I mean, for me, I got into a conflict with my cousin, um, about two years ago.  And she like straight up, straight up disrespected me. I was like, 

I had, I was, I'm still speechless when I think about it. And then  I,  I sat and I was like, you know what? There is nobody in my life that I would ever let speak to me that way right now. And  move forward. There would be no moving forward after that. And so it, it became a much easier choice for her to apologize.

And then for me to say,  you are forgiven and there is no space in my life for you because I won't be spoken to that way and it versus me, maybe a few years ago would have felt  we can repair it. We can figure it out. Let's talk about it. Let's, you know, I'm here. I want to, I want to fix it. It's like, actually, no, I love myself way too much to  allow you to speak to me that way because I know you're going to do it again.

Like, this isn't a one off thing, this is who you are, I'm seeing you for who you are, and I'm going to make a more informed choice now based on the information that I have, and so it does get easier to choose yourself, it gets way easier to  cultivate a community, a space  of people that are more aligned with where you are,  and then it gets much easier  And that's not to say you won't have bad days, but it gets much easier to process and recognize that the family that you choose to part ways with  are not people that are good for you. 

Yeah. And you really touch on such an important point here around setting boundaries.  and I'm such a strong believer in boundaries actually lead to the healthier relationships because you're protecting your own peace and you're also upheaving obviously like an authentic relationship with that other person but it takes obviously communication and being like this is the boundary I'm putting up this is why you can accept it and understand it and like not step over it but if you do step over it these are the consequences and  The thing with boundaries is like, if we keep on letting other people like trample on them, being like, Oh yeah, no, it's okay.

Yeah. Like, no, it's fine. Then you teach them how they are supposed to treat you. But if you want to be treated with respect and love, then you got to uphold those boundaries. Yeah. And  The same with everything. That will feel hard in the beginning. It will feel very hard, but also that will get easier because if they do accept them and actually relationship blossoms because of that, then you're like, this was the best choice ever.

Thank you.  And also the other person will be like, Wow, this actually improved our relationship because now we can bond on way deeper terms that allow another to be truly authentic  and to not just be like almost like using of another. Yeah.  Boundaries, I always say, is the thing that has me and the other person in mind.

100%. But boundaries also allow for  us to avoid feeling resentful of the other person. And when you just spoke to  someone trampling and then  us saying, Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, it's fine. We're just growing resentful of that person, and then rather than addressing the boundary that was crossed, now you're trying to sort through your feelings of, wow, I let them treat me this way, and they chose to take liberty with treating me this way.

And so now I'm, I'm dealing with something a bit more complicated,  and  resent is hard to work through. As someone who has sat in their resentment and who has allowed people to be very flexed with my boundaries and being like  you'll get it right next time, you'll, I'm not gonna, no, no worries, no sweat.  I, like I have sat in that space where I'm like, why would they treat me that way?

And then it's like,  I let them treat me that way. Like I didn't,  I didn't speak up for myself and stand up for myself. And I know a lot of times that's rooted and we want to preserve the relationship. We want to avoid that conflict. We want to avoid them looking at us differently, and it's like,  if they're looking at me differently for setting a boundary, that's more of a reflection of them, and they get to have their response, and then I get to have my response.

But I don't need to attach myself, my worth, my integrity, to their response.  Yes, yes, that's where we then would get into people pleasing again and like almost giving into that fear of like being hurt or hurting people who are of meaning to us. And it's really important to, to obviously let that go. And I feel like an important practice there is to practice forgiveness. 

forgiveness to yourself for letting them step over your boundary and being like, okay, even though I let this happen, I still love and accept myself. And I do forgive myself and I treat myself with kindness because if we then go down into this resentment hole towards ourselves, then we go down a rabbit hole of just limiting beliefs, self sabotage, and we don't want to be there.

It's a very bad place to be. And that can cause like really heavy emotions and like even more stuff to deal with. So forgiveness can be such a good gift to yourself. But then obviously also  when practicing detachment from those other people or what they have done to us, it wasn't fair. Like if they have hurt us,  forgiven, forgiving them doesn't mean they are right.

It doesn't mean they had all the right to do what they did or that it was okay what they did. It doesn't mean that at all. It just means you are setting yourself free. Like. you're letting that grudge go, you're letting that resentment go,  because those are very heavy negative emotions. And we don't want them to grow into something that we might not be able to deal with in other ways, because that could lead to depression, maybe it could lead to really anxiety.

And, you know, that's something harder to deal with. So practicing forgiveness can really help to prevent that and to just almost like just clear off all the weeds, all the weeds in the garden and be like, we'll have like a clear empty space now again to grow the relationships that actually are of value.

And the ones where we have a boundary wall, there's a little fence. Sometimes we peek over, we look and see like, Can we, like, connect? We can know, like, what's happening over there. If not, then not. That's totally fine. We just let them be. We still love them. We're still grateful for them. Yeah. But they just live their lives, and you live yours, on your side of the card. 

So well said. 100%. When we're able to work through those very complicated feelings, when we're able to  free ourselves from that disappointment, uh The shame, the guilt, the, the hurt that comes with,  uh, separating from family members. There's peace on the other side. And then we get to say, you know,  I wish you the best, like, I wish you great things.

I hope  that you do well.  And I'm gonna hope for that for you on this side of town. Like, I don't need to be, I don't need to have you in my circle. You don't need to be in my orbit for me to have.  neutral,  calm thoughts about you. But that is only after allowing yourself to sit in the anger, in the frustration, in the hurt that comes with severing that tie. 

Yes, yes, it really is important to acknowledge those emotions  because one, there are no good emotions with bad emotions.  We want them both. We want to experience them both, even though sometimes it's hard, but that's what makes this life so beautiful, right? Because we have those, this huge scale of like emotions and things that we can experience.

But as you say, like when we  finally are able to, create that like boundary, that peace and just let them go. It's just,  it's such a serenity, like inner serenity and calmness inside you. And  also just knowing that you're still able to send them all your love, like you're still loving them. And  also recognizing like their happiness is not your responsibility.

Yeah. And also that is just a burden off your shoulders  because your own happiness is your full responsibility. Like 100 percent other people's happiness is their own responsibility. It's never of someone else. And I feel like that is something so important  in any relationship, actually, that  both parties like both people in a relationship need to understand.

Mm hmm. And.  That girl, that expectation of like, you need to make me happy. You owe me happiness. Like, no,  you don't. Yeah. I owe my own happiness and you owe your own happiness. So let's work on that. I have no influence on that. Like we can spend great time together. We can have a great relationship or we don't, but it's not my responsibility to carry your happiness on my shoulders. 

Yeah.  What would you say to somebody who is. just starting to  become aware that their family dynamics are challenging and they maybe need to re evaluate the relationship.  I would say start with really getting to know yourself first, like start with that inner self awareness piece to just know, okay, what values have been dishonored in this relationship?

How have you been hurt? And I know that might, you be painful to look at at first, but  it's important to know. We've got to hold up the mirror and be like, okay, what is actually going on inside of us? How is this impacting us? Is it holding us back? Is it making us feel small or insignificant, unloved, unworthy? 

What's going on inside? And to then also reflect on, but what do I want out of my life? What do I need to be happy? And then the other piece is to communicate that. It might not be easy. It might not be understood. Maybe it will be actually understood and you can put up a boundary. The other person will be like, cool, we try that.

And they will respect that. But it takes training, obviously, and it takes willingness from both sides. But I feel like the communication piece is still really important to just make it clear to the other person, not just ghost them. Like, yeah, with any relationship, just ghosting. I. actually feel like it's not the right solution because there will always be this unspoken resentment, this unspoken kind of like  heaviness that you could not let go.

But by communicating and you clearly stating like what's going on, how you're feeling, you at least added, you gave it a chance to be out there and to be received and to be understood. And if it doesn't, Then that's where you obviously go into the next stage where you might be like, cool, this is the consequence I'm now putting into place because I have to choose myself first.

Yeah.  Yeah. I, I really hope this episode just.  Allows people who  have been in this position who are in this position and finding themselves at a crossroads that they recognize that they're not alone in this situation and that  there are people who have made very tough choices for their own piece and I want to reemphasize  it does get better and it gets easier and you will 100 percent find people that deserve to know you. 

Yes, you will.  Josie, how can people work with you? How can they find you if they are feeling called to?  So you can find me anywhere and everywhere, especially threats. Threats right now is just my happy place. I love it. But also Instagram, LinkedIn, and YouTube with my name Josie Dumont. So that is J O S I and then D U M O N T.

Um, my website is called the same joycedumont. com and I offer one on one coaching services. I also have a membership that truly focuses on you becoming your best self. But if you want to maybe dip your toes into this world, then I also have a book that is called, and there she goes her way in which I go. 

Very much into detail of like many like actions that you can take to really get to know yourself and really create that self awareness so you can make better informed decisions to better to create a life that is better for you. And that makes you ultimately happy.  Thank you so much for joining me today and just having this conversation with me. 

Thank you so much for having me. 📍