The Clarity We’re Craving: How Human Design, Intuition, and Energy Awareness Help Us Stop Second-Guessing Ourselves with Lindsey Means

In this episode of The Visibility Standard (formerly All Our Parts), I’m joined by Lindsey Means—human design expert, empowerment coach, and founder of Empress Sanctuary—for a conversation about how understanding your energy can radically change the way you move through the world.

We unpack what Human Design actually is (beyond the buzzwords), how it weaves together systems like astrology, chakras, and the I Ching, and why learning your design can feel both liberating and destabilizing at the same time. This episode is about replacing constant self-doubt with self-understanding—and giving yourself permission to operate in a way that actually works for you.

In this episode, we explore:

• What Human Design is and how to begin reading your chart
• Lindsey’s transition from hairstylist to soulful entrepreneur
• The emotional rollercoaster of honoring your intuition and natural energy
• Why understanding your design helps quiet second-guessing and comparison
• How Human Design integrates multiple ancient systems into one framework

If you’ve been craving clarity, energetic alignment, or language for why traditional self-help advice hasn’t quite fit, this conversation offers a grounded entry point into doing life—and work—your way.

You’re not inconsistent.
 You’re not broken.
 You might just be operating outside your design.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Hello, everyone. Welcome back to All Our Parts. I am so excited for my guest this week. She is a human design genius. She has her own women's empowerment group. She is just a pretty badass woman. Lindsay, thank you so much for joining us today.

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Oh, my God. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

How are you feeling?

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 0:27

So, just to give us a quick... way of where we are right now, I am not, I do not know a lot about human design. What is human design?

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Good question. Human design is the way that I like to explain it is it's like an operation manual for your mind and your body. So I like to think of our bodies as all intelligent vehicles. And if you think about it, they breathe on their own, they heal themselves or subconscious mind is creating our reality. And they're like self-driving Teslas and our soul, our spirit, who we are, we're designed to be the passenger and just enjoy this ride called life. However, due to conditioning and society and all of the things we're sitting in the passenger seat, trying to take over the wheel. And that's where a lot of discord comes in. And so human design says here is the operation manual on how to operate your mind and your body and become the passenger that you were designed to be. So it kind of like layers, a bunch of ancient modalities, astrology, Kabbalah, I Ching, the shock system and quantum mechanics. It looks weird. It looks like an alien language. I was like, what the heck am I looking at when I first saw mine? But I've been on this journey for over four years now. And it has been between human design and nervous system regulation, hands down the most transformative tools ever.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

Yeah. Thank you so much for that. Astrology, I feel like has been in the mainstream. And then I feel like human design is slowly, slowly starting to come up behind it. Like astrology is so important and your human design also offers so much insight that astrology doesn't even cover. How did you get into human design? I

SPEAKER_01 2:13

like to say that human design found me. So I was a hairstylist for over 12 years and I guess it was probably September ish before COVID happened. I was thinking about owning a salon and then I took, I went to, I invested a lot of money and I went to this workshop thing and after I was like hell freaking no I'm not opening a salon but I wanted to educate so I was in a lot of entrepreneurial groups and when COVID happened I was in some group and someone said do you know what your human design is and I freaking love personality tests and that's what I thought it was so I was like anything that can tell me more about myself I'm down and so as I shared when I put in my information I was like what the hell is this like I don't even know what I'm looking at and I googled what lit like I googled and I read a little bit of knowledge and applied it and started noticing transformation really quickly and so I became obsessed and I took a course and I read tons of books and I've probably like I started getting every single person's human design around me and just started studying it and living it yeah

SPEAKER_00 3:24

what was it like to change paths like that to go I mean to go from hair school to wanting to open a salon to to, I mean, now being a multi-preneur, like having so many businesses and having so many options of how you can allow your creativity to flow. Was that shift hard? Was it exciting?

SPEAKER_01 3:45

Well, it was a journey. We'll put it that way. So I was doing really well behind the chair and I was close. I was, I mean, if I, I was about 50% booked making close to a hundred K and I was like doing really well for myself and I was a little bit cocky in the beginning and I was like oh I'm doing amazing at hair I'm totally going to be amazing at being a coach and now in hindsight the the the two the big difference is behind the chair I was selling a tangible result that they would get in like three to six hours and with coaching it's an intangible result and I didn't know how to convince survey the results that I was going to support them with because I can't predict the future. So I went, like I struggled and I was real stubborn and I officially retired from behind the chair in April of 2021. And I went through a dark night of the soul. I was stubborn. I had to ask my parents for help. I had to get a loan. Like I do not recommend that path for anyone. My nervous system was shot. It was awful. And I could have easily built this business on the side, uh, had I chose to go down that path, but I didn't. So, you know, it was hard. Um, but I'm glad that I chose to go on that journey because now I get to help other people and say, do not do that. It's no good. Don't do it. Um, but yeah, as far as like to, to circle back around to answer your question, I feel like everything that I did, I was good at hair, but it didn't light my soul on fire and I've always wanted to help people. And so behind the chair, I helped them feel prettier and more beautiful. And then I got into personal training for a little while. And so I focused deeper into the body. And then now what I do is supporting people on an energetic level and a mental and physical and emotional. I get to do all of the things. So the journey has led me to where I am now. And it's been a wild adventure.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

Yeah. Sounds like it. It's so interesting. You bring up your dark night of the soul. Cause I actually just recorded an episode with someone who last week discussing what that is, what that entails, however much you feel comfortable sharing, what was that experience like for you?

SPEAKER_01 6:09

Awful. It freaking sucks. I've been through multiple dark nights of the soul, but around that time, I think right before I officially quit doing hair, my ex broke up with me on a camping trip in the middle of nowhere on a rainy weekend during a full moon eclipse. And, uh, that initiated me into some deep healing and we lived together for a year after we were broke up. It's, it's quite the story. Um, but I, I mean, there were days I couldn't get off the couch. There were days I didn't want to go on. And so it's hard. And I do feel in my own experience and in the experience that, uh, the experiences that I've heard about, a awareness like my my personal development journey started with a thought that changed my life and that thought was oh crap I think my dad's a narcissist and then oh I need therapy and got into therapy for a year and it opened up my whole entire world and so I feel like our our journeys start with like that moment so a lot of times it's it's a disaster it's a catastrophe it's it's some big life moment that alters the trajectory of your your whole entire life and and then the these dark, deep nights of the soul, it's like purging. Like we have to purge. I like to think of it as like, as when we're born as babies, we're pure, innocent love in, in a little baby human form. And then as we grow older, we get all these things that are attached to us like armor and we get all this armor and it's weighing us down. It's heavy. And we don't know who we are. And so the journey is the de-armoring journey. And if you've had this armor, imagine if you had like a hundred pound armor set on your body. And then you finally let it go. Like you have to learn how to navigate life without this huge, heavy weight. And so there's so, there's so many death and rebirths that happen on this journey. But if you're going through a dark night of the soul, feel it, feel it all. Cause the only way out is through.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

I second that. The only way out is truly through. And I love the word usage you use of initiated because so often we think of healing sometimes as something that we like start on our own. But a lot of times healing, there's an awareness and it's like, oh, if I don't do something about this, I don't know what's going to happen next. Or we like the trajectory of all of this isn't going to go well if I don't address and do the and necessary inner work. And so a lot of times it's our own stuff that kind of, sorry, oof. So when we're thinking about initiation, it's not us saying, okay, healing. These are the things that I'm going to work on. A lot of the times it's something that smacks us right in the face and it says, you have to address this.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Yep. It's like the tower moment in tarot. And your whole life, it feels like your whole life is crumbling. And recently I've gone, and here's the thing, at least in my own experience, the initiation process never stops. We are constantly going through, the only consistent thing in life is change. And so we're constantly going through this death and rebirth process. And something that I see a lot of is too many people are staying in the death. They're staying in the suffering. They're staying in this hamster wheel of healing. I got to find the limited belief. I got to do this. I got to do that. And I actually learned this from one of my mentors, Lauren Crenn, but he talks about how the shadow wants to keep you in that healing loop because we're used to suffering. We're not used to living in bliss, joy, and abundance. Like we are designed. And so that's the unknown that's outside of our safety comfort zone. And so, uh, that that's the biggest thing I think is if you don't know what's happening to you, it can feel like your whole entire, like what the hell is going on. I lost my job. My partner broke up with me. Like literally it's just left and right, left and right. And it can feel like it's all happening to you. But if you can adopt the mindset that it's really happening for you, it just freaking sucks while you're in it. Ouch.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

The for you mindset. I remember I was living in two years where I was consistently pulling the tower card and my life felt every inch like the tower card until I was willing to let go. You spoke to that piece of us not being, you know, always welcome to that change. It's like, what is on the other side? I know what this looks like. I know what my own suffering looks like. And that's, we can get comfortable in our shadow parts. But I don't know what joy looks like. I might not know what being enough feels like or feeling worthy. And that... That's enough for us to really avoid that feeling because then it's like, oh, we can live out a purpose that's larger than what we're doing

SPEAKER_02 11:36

right

SPEAKER_00 11:38

now. Or we're letting the limited beliefs, the conditioning of a lot of external factors shape how we are living. creating within our mind and creating within our space

SPEAKER_01 11:52

oh my god one thousand percent is that that control factor we want so many of us especially as kids I know for me like control was how I felt safe if I couldn't control the situation I didn't feel safe and letting go of control is is scary and also exhilarating at the same time I I talk a lot about fear in in my world and true fear is there's a saber tooth tiger behind you and you are literally about to die. And thank goodness we are not literally about to die. Like it's very rare that we're literally about to die. And so the fear that we feel is actually excitement. The only difference between fear and excitement is your breath. And so I tell people all the time, especially through the lens of human design, there is an aspect where it's the fear center and certain people have consistent access to fear. And I I've felt it and it's scary. It's visceral. It's like your body literally believes that it's going to die. And if you can start working with the breath and reframing, is this fear? Okay. I'm not look around, please make sure you're not literally about to die. But then if you're not breathe and trust, like this is exhilaration. This isn't trying to prevent you from something. This is trying to let you know that actually this is the right path. That's why they say like face your fear and do it anyways, because most of the time it isn't the fear that's going to keep you alive.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Yeah. So true. A lot of times the fear is the thing that holds us back. And it's the thing that can often illuminate a situation as something that it might not be. And then we're living in that limited belief of, well, this is what's going to happen if X, Y, and Z. I mean, speaking of human design, how can fear and working with our open and closed areas work together.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

So when you're looking at the chart, you're going to see a bunch of shapes. There's nine shapes and those are based off the chakra system. So that's where you're transmitting and receiving energy to and from other people. Now, the cool thing about human design is that your personal chart will never change. It's who you are. It'll never change. However, you are energetically impacted a by the people around you. If someone comes within six feet of you, you are both sharing energy back and forth. And then the other way is through the transit. So just like Mercury goes into retrograde, there's what's called human design weather. So there's like a human design chart for the collective. And so these are different ways that we can feel into energies that are not our chart. And so everything that's colored in, in your chart, that's where you have consistent access to the qualities of those centers. And so that's where you're a transmitter. You're transmitting the qualities of those centers out into the universe. You have consistent access to them. A lot of times in entrepreneurship, that's where a lot of your products and services and what you offer will be generated from because that's where you have consistent access. And then all of the white centers, that's where you are picking up and amplifying the energy from the people around you. So this is where it gets fun. And this is where it gets interesting because the white centers are generally where we've been conditioned the most because when you're by yourself, you don't have access to that energy. When you're around Susie, you're feeling her energy. When you're around Joe, you're feeling his energy in that center. When you're around Megan, you're feeling hurt. They could all have the same like similar charts, but you're going to be feeling different energy because of their configurations. So this, especially with how we grew up. So for instance, my dad is an emotional authority. So So he is someone who is constantly my dad and my sister. They're constantly transmitting emotions out to the universe. I am a receiver and amplifier of emotions. So I, you can amplify energy up to two times. So if my dad's pissed at a level 20, I could be pissed at a level 40 and I'm like, literally he's angry, but I'm picking up his anger. That's not mine. And I'm almost mirroring it back to him. So it's kind of like this back and forth thing. So So when you understand what's yours and what's not yours, that's where the magic happens. And all of those white centers, that's where your wisdom lies. That's where you're going to school in life. That's where you have access to so much power, but, and we have to decondition first. We have to understand what's mine and what's yours.

UNKNOWN 16:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

That I feel like is the lesson, the journey that I have been on over the last year is learning what is mine and learning what is someone else's. I have an open gut center, like the gut chakra is very open. And so I very much absorb the energy around me. And so growing up, I used to just always feel so emotional. I used to feel emotionally overwhelmed, emotionally drained. It was hard for me to feel like I could recover from my own emotions because I'm carrying 20 other emotions with me. And so, I mean, you spoke to the first piece of it. Nervous system regulation is a big key of that. But also being able to identify, okay, what is their anxiety? What is their frustration? And then what is mine? I had a highlight moment of this when I was moving. I was moving to the city and was telling my mom about it. I was like, yeah, like I'm so excited. And she was like, she was like worried about my safety, which I like completely kind of understood, but it got projected out in this really odd way. Like she wasn't like, oh, congratulations, new place, new environment. It was like, well, I'm worried about your life and this, that, and the other. And it just, I was like, okay, I'm going to take a step back from this conversation because this isn't what I was looking for. And And then I checked in with myself. I was like, okay, I haven't eaten. Couldn't find my keys earlier. So I started off very frazzled today. I'm going to go do the things that I need to do. And then I'm going to parse this conversation out. But it has taken so much work for me to even be able to intentionally... almost like say, I'm going to pick this up. I'm going to put it right here. I'm going to put it in the cup holder. I'm going to drive home. And then when I am in the space to process it, I will take it back out and process it.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Oh, that's so powerful. The, I mean, I say all the time, like awareness is the first step. So many people are just being hijacked and they have no idea what is happening. And there there's just, there's, there's, so much that I could say about that I could almost assume that do you know if you're I was trying to look up your chart but I couldn't find it I should have got it before we started this but do you know if when you're looking at the chart if the triangle on the left hand side is brown or white

SPEAKER_00 19:19

it is On the right hand side.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Yeah. Or no, on the left hand side. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

Um, Brown.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

Oh, interesting. Yeah. Sometimes I like to hypothesize about things, but I do think with the fear thing, I resonate with that a lot. My mom's a very fearful woman and she's like, Oh my God, Lindsay. And I'm just telling her all these things. And I'm like, cool, mom, get out of here. Like I took on her fears. I'm very fearless. Like I'm surprised I'm alive with all the things that I've done, but truly like I've never felt there's only been a couple of times where I have felt fear and I knew that I was in danger in that moment that was the real like somehow I've been able to throughout my life be connected where I am literally in trouble right now like this there is there's bad energy I could feel it I was being followed by someone outside my apartments one time and then my house was broken into like the next day and so I felt the danger and my body reacted but Other than that, like I've never really been scared, even in situations I probably should have been.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

How do you feel like that has shaped you to be the person that you are today?

SPEAKER_01 20:39

Oh, I, I mean, I just kind of, people will talk to me all the time and people tell me that I'm brave a lot and I'm like, really? Like, I don't know. Cause I tell, I tell pretty intense parts of my story. Like I just, I'm on, I'm unhinged a lot and I'm, I'm uncensored. And a lot of the things that I've been through in my life, like I said, like people are like shocked at the stories and I'm just like, what So I think that because I've always kind of just jumped without looking, I do believe that I've had this sense of. if like this this uh it's gotten very more strong lately and in the past like seven years but i do think that i have trusted my myself and my body more than i thought i did and just kind of allowing there's been many times in my life where i was living by design and here's the thing your body knows how to live by design and your body knows what it's doing and with human design people get so caught up in the weeds with it and they learn about this magical modality and they they they feel seen, heard, and validated maybe for the first time in their life. And they're one of my favorite things to tell people is there's nothing wrong with you. This is how you're designed. Human design celebrates diversity. And in a world where it's like same, same, same, same, same, everyone's supposed to be the same to be different is weird. Like we don't, we don't want to be considered weird. Like I thought I was a weirdo my whole entire life and that there was something wrong with that. And then I learned my human design. It's like, yeah, girl, you're a freaking weirdo. Like this is literally you're weird and, and certain people are going to love you. And certain people are gonna be, who's that freak. And so I have really embodied the, let your freak flag fly. You're not for everyone. Um, but yeah, I kind of forgot where we started with that one, but being you and, and having that, having that be showing up as your full authentic self, there's no one in the world with the same human design as you, the same astrology, the same frequency of voice, the same life purpose. And you're so unique and you're here for something. super powerful, whether that's to be a mom or to have a business and impact thousands of people, like whatever you're here for is, is a beautiful mission.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

Yes. So I misspoke. I brought up my chart so I could make sure the people are getting accurate information. My solar plexus center is not defined. And so that's the emotional sensitivity that is just picking up just so much around me. It is sometimes very consuming and I have to like sit under a weighted blanket sometimes, especially if like there's like a collective trauma that is being experienced i.e. the pandemic that was insane i was exhausted and my g-center is not defined so that i've seen especially in adolescence of trying to fit in not fitting in saying okay i need to be like this person so that i can fit in oh great they want to accept me but only as this version of myself as the fun version and not the messy version of myself or maybe they only want me because i am smart and they don't have any interest in who i am and so having to first learn who i am which is still in a journey because we are evolving people and what i feel comfortable with and then saying people can accept me for me or i don't have to be for everyone and that acceptance piece of being definitely more selective and also recognizing like, I can't please everyone was, it's hard. It is not the discomfort initially and feeling like, oh no, this person's disappointed. They're mad at me, was hard. But then again, when those emotional center, when you are learning what is yours and what is someone else's, you're like, oh, I feel good about what, it just happened what they are carrying is very much theirs they are valid and then I get to relieve myself of the pressure of feeling like I need to fix it or carry it myself.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

Ooh, that's a beautiful explanation of that center. The, the shadow of that center is not speaking your truth because you're afraid of the emotional response for other people. So this happened. I, I like ruined a lot of friendships because of this, because a friend would hurt me. And I'm like, I should say something. But then in my head, I'm like, if I say this, they're going to get emotional and they're going to react. And I don't want to deal with that. And And so I've just go suck it in and keep it to myself and then resentment built up. And then I was passive aggressive and then the friendship dissolved. And so I always tell people, you deserve, everyone deserves to speak their truth and you can't control the emotional response of other people. And I can almost guarantee you that if you share 50% of the population are emotionally defined. And so if you speak your truth to someone and they flip out emotionally, like you feel like they will in your head, Give them like five minutes, 10 minutes. They'll be at a different part of their wave. Let them have their emotional process. It has nothing to do with you. Get out of the room. Like if you feel over, if you're ever by people or in public or whatever, and you're feeling overwhelmed emotionally, go be by yourself for a little bit. Like if you're outside of the six foot range, you're not connected to their emotions anymore. And emotions are exhausting. I don't even know. I like, I can't even with, emotion sometimes. And I'm just like, oh, now, even now, like the other, the, I had an initiation last week and I was like rolling on the ground, bawling my eyes out for like two hours. And I was like, I just don't want to be crying anymore. But I just, I'm at the point where even if it's uncomfortable, I let those emotions flow through me because I know what it's like when you suppress them and it sucks.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Would you consider yourself an emotional person?

SPEAKER_01 27:11

No, no. Not at all. I literally, when, so I'm not, I I'm undefined in the solar plexus. And so if you're looking at your chart on the right hand side, there's a triangle and it'll, it'll be Brown if you're defined and white, if you're open. And if you're open, you'll be like me. So open you're open as well. So if you've got an open solar plexus, you're normal when you're by yourself is cool, calm, and collected. Like I used to say neutrally happy, but now it's just kind of like neutral. Like I'm a Leo. I've got a lot of fire in my chart so I'm pretty bubbly and whatever but emotionally I'm chill and neutral I remember asking my therapist I was like am I sociopath because sometimes I don't know how to respond like you could tell me your parents died and I'm just I'm looking to you for a response I'm like I have zero emotions right now but if you're crying then I'm going to be like oh my god are you okay like I'm almost like looking to other people to be like how do I emotionally respond to this and that's normal but I thought I was there was something wrong with me and it emotions feel like i'm dying like it used to feel like i was dying they were so hard

SPEAKER_00 28:18

oh for sure it used to feel like the end of the end of time like i'm like people walk around with this all day it has taken i do have natural empathy and my chart is as aquarius air filled as it comes with a mercury and Capricorn so I don't mean to sound like a bitch but I do and I'm like oops that did not get delivered the way that I intended it to and maybe I am sorry maybe I did mean it that way and you're gonna have to be okay with that but the the intellectual in me the human humanitarian in me is like I'm also good at like pattern recognition and so if I see something that's like super messed up I'm like that's messed up I'm not about to sit here and continue to watch this and so it's that gets hard, that's its own, that's its own double-edged sword that I can't be in big groups for a long time, but having to almost learn how to emotionally be emotionally responsive and then be like, oh, you're my feelings. And I'm like, oh, okay. Like, ooh, sorry. And then trying to fix it was, is, is still something that I have to be really thoughtful of.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

I think that there is that. So with the fix it, there's a tendency. So I tell this story a lot. My sister's an emotional authority. And before I learned about human design, we lived together and she'd walk into the room. And emotional authorities have really good poker faces, but it doesn't matter for the open solar plexus people because we feel you. And so she'd walk into the room. She looks like she's good. I'm like, what's wrong with you? And she'd be like, nothing. And then I'd get, I'd be like, there is some, you are lying. There is something wrong here. Something is wrong. I need to fix it. What's happening. And then we get into a fight and I'd go into my room and 20 minutes later, we'd be laughing. And so when I learned about the emotional solar plexus, I was like, Oh my God. My normal is no emotions. Like my normal is chill. Like we are human. We all have emotions. I'm like on my cycle, but through the lens of human design, you're either transmitting or receiving. And so now we're like emotional barometer. So now what I do around an emotional person, when I can feel them, I'd be like for my sister, I'd be like, Hey, Kelsey, it feels like you're angry right now. Is there anything I can do to support you their emotions are changing every freaking second 90 second like emotions last 90 seconds so I think it's like every 90 seconds they're shifted into something else they have no idea what's going on half the time so if we can bring that awareness that they don't even realize and then give them an opportunity to receive support then if she's like oh yeah actually I need a hug I can give her a hug oh yeah actually I'm really pissed off that you didn't take out the trash oh shit I'm sorry let me go do that you know and so you can offer them support. You can stay connected to the wave and you can be like, Ooh, anger. What does this feel like? Like ride that anger wave, feel it. There's nothing wrong. You don't have to do anything, or you can get the hell out of Dodge and go six feet away and come back in like five, 10 minutes. And I guarantee there'll be on a different part of their wave. Um, so understanding that we don't have to fix anything and there's nothing wrong. And I have a whole podcast episode dedicated to this because the poor emotional authorities these poor humans who they're not controlling their emotions the vehicle they live in is and there's there's a i don't know the percentage or the stats but there's one um it's called a tribal wave and this wave is pretty chill but when an expectation wasn't met there's this pressure that builds builds builds almost like a tea kettle and then there's this explosion and it's one of the most violent ones in the chart and so these people have these explosion moments and then they come down and they're fine. But imagine like all of the poor kids who are like, stop crying, stop being a baby. Like they're, they're learning how to, to stop their wave and not complete it. And so it's, it's a huge mission, passion of mine to share about this because 50%, it's 50, 50. And when you understand what's going on, then you can hold space for people and it's beautiful.

UNKNOWN 33:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

Thank you for sharing that. I feel like a lot of people can, I could have used that. And so I'm sure a lot of people can also benefit.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:14

I want to go back to something that you said about just the awareness piece when people come into contact with their chart. Is there a point where people can be too self-aware? Ooh,

SPEAKER_01 33:30

yeah, I think so. I think it, because it, the self, a lot of Well, interesting. I feel like there's two, there's two different types of awarenesses. You have your awareness from the brain and you have your awareness from the body and the awareness from the brain. At least I've experienced this. A lot of times I went through my journey. I feel like a lot of people go through this where it's the entitlement phase, the I'm better than you. Oh my God. Look at their limited beliefs. Like you start seeing, you start learning about thoughts and you start learning about all these things. and you're like oh my god my mom's anxious right now her anxious authority like your her anxious attachment style and you start like seeing the world through a new lens and so I definitely was like like I'm better than you and then I got knocked on my ass and I was like oh actually I'm not but I thought I was enlightened and if anyone says they're enlightened they are not because I believe that you're only enlightened when you're dead so so I feel like the awareness from the body is always true. The body always knows like, and like when you've, and this comes in my mind, this comes like after you've healed, after you've regulated your nervous system, after you are in tune with the subtle, the subtle nuances of your body and how your body is speaking and communicating to you with you. And then the awareness from the mind, sometimes the ego can get in the way. Sometimes the ego can kind of like cloud what's actually happening. And so as far as becoming too aware, my goal in life is to be the passenger in my body and to let my body lead and guide me to everything that is for me. And so I don't want, like, if I, I don't need to have the awareness, if I trust the vehicle that I live in and awareness is great and nice, but I do think that we can, I know that I've gotten a little too too much into this like there there's a fine line of extremes like you go extreme one way and extreme the other way and let's just get into the middle the middle is is the sweet spot

SPEAKER_00 35:47

the middle is where we exist it is where we are riding the wave we are living the wave we are not feeling like we are controlling the way that we are surfing that we are walking on water and it's not that we feel like we're drowning in it

SPEAKER_02 36:01

it's

SPEAKER_00 36:02

that we are We are right there in a sweet spot. What you just said reminds me of when people would take like abnormal psychology in undergrad because they're like, I wanna be able to diagnose people. I'm like, and as a psychology major, I can make that joke because I'm like 12 weeks in this class did not give you the know all of the DSM. It did not give you the insight to go start diagnosing your neighbors and your roommate. And your friends. Like... We can sometimes do so much damage with the awareness that we have. And we can sometimes put ourselves in situations because we think we are the enlightened one, the knowing one. I have certainly fallen into that trap. And that's oftentimes because of my own insecurity. That's because I'm trying to overcompensate for something that I'm trying to hide. So I am trying to amplify the good part, the healed part. And it's like... No, you're just hiding, actually. And you are not allowing yourself to be you, to be seen, and to be received. And so when we are showing up as the most aware version of ourselves, we're not allowing all parts of ourselves to be welcome.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Oh, I love that. I've definitely, like, I've kept my cards close to my chest my whole entire life. And And I'm more so recently showing up as, not that I haven't been authentic, but it's just like with emotions, it's really difficult for me. And so I've been learning how to express my emotions and to share them and to be seen in them. I was sharing, I was having a little tantrum the other day and I was allowing someone to see me in that. And there was a part of me afterwards that was like, oh man, I don't want this person to see me. to see me in this light. I don't want them to think that I'm a brat. I don't want them to think X, Y, Z. But in that moment, I was throwing a freaking tantrum and I was saying, I wanted to burn something to the ground. And I was very real fiery about it. And then afterwards I was like, man, thank you so much for holding space for me. Like I needed to have that little tantrum and there are no good or bad parts. Everything just is like that, that black and white thinking that used to get me in so much trouble. And now it's just like, I really believe that Thoughts are neither good nor bad. Emotions are neither good nor bad. People are neither good nor bad. They just are.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

Yeah. You can only compartmentalize so much before you're, before it is trapped and it is going to take much longer work than needed. You just allow yourself that space, that breathing room to, to just feel it, to allow it and to even receive being supported because that's hard. That's, that's its own like, level of vulnerability right there so allowing others to see you in all of that you are and all that you embody is is it is so special and it is often a signifier that we are now feeling safe enough in ourselves to totally explore what else is out there and

SPEAKER_01 39:31

it feels really good too yeah it feels really good

SPEAKER_00 39:34

yeah to trust yourself

SPEAKER_01 39:36

yeah oh yeah

SPEAKER_00 39:37

I love this conversation.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

Me too.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

Lindsay, how can people find you? How can people work with you if they are feeling called to? No,

SPEAKER_01 39:49

thank you for asking. Instagram is my favorite place to hang out. So I'm lindsaymeans with an underscore and I always tell people, feel free to DM me a copy of your chart. Generally what I do is, I think I even did this with you. Like I'm a big believer in, in the foundation. So I always tell people, there are only three things you need to know about your human design, your strategy, which is how you put your body into cruise control your authority, which is how you become confident making decisions and your theme for life, which is, it will tell you, are you in alignment or are you out of alignment? And so I always share a podcast that goes deep into that. And then I love giving personalized insight and I have courses. I Human design is woven into my whole entire freaking life. And I mainly use it as a tool for healing. So I do not do human traditional human design sessions. I honestly feel like if you haven't been embodying your strategy and authority for like a year, it's almost pointless. It's too much data that you can't even comprehend because if you're not consciously paying attention and doing leaning into strategy authority, it's just going to be kind of, uh, useless information. But, uh, But yeah, I'd go deep into human design and my membership and all of the things. So DM me your chart and I'll give you some insight and then we can go from there.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Amazing. Thank you so much for having this conversation with me. Oh

SPEAKER_01 41:20

my God. Thank you for having me.