Invisible Labor & Public Pressure: Navigating the Wellness Industry as a Black Woman with Shantani Moore

In a world where wellness is often commodified and put on aesthetic display, it's easy to fall into the performative wellness trap. It’s the constant pressure to look zen, to buy the right gear, and to follow the latest trends instead of honestly checking in with how you truly feel.

In this bold and empowering episode, host Jazzmyn Proctor sits down with body intelligence coach and spinal energetics practitioner Shantani Moore to discuss the messy reality beneath the "high vibe" facade.

Shantani and Jazzmyn dive deep into:

• 🧘‍♀️ The Performance Pressure: How the wellness industry's lack of inclusivity and representation creates a harmful, narrow mold of who gets to be "well."
• 💔 From Wellness to Wholeness: The crucial shift from chasing an external, perfect look to embracing your messy, integrated self (and why perfectionism is often just toxic positivity repackaged).
• ✊ Invisible Labor & Visibility: The unique pressure and invisible labor carried by Black women in the healing space to shape-shift and dilute their message to be received.
• 🧠 Be the Buffalo: Learning to build distress tolerance and move toward the hard feelings (like anger, shame, and anxiety) as data, rather than running from them, to achieve true nervous system regulation.
• 🌎 The Necessity of Collective Care: Moving beyond hyper-individualism and self-centered narratives to show up courageously for your community.

 You have permission to dismantle the hierarchy of healing. You do not have to have it all figured out, and your authenticity—even the messy parts—is the most potent form of healing. Your people cannot find you if they cannot see you.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00

Are you sitting with thousands of hours of B-roll content and telling yourself, I'll start posting tomorrow? Are you in your head worried about your friends and family thinking your fringe refusing to be visible? Are you chasing trends instead of building influence? Welcome to the Visibility Standard, where the visionaries of today are changing the roles of their industries and letting their voice be heard. I'm your host, Jasmine, and we are setting the standard. I'm so excited for my guest. We are going to be talking about how wellness has really just become a performative space. It has become a space where the look is more important than the feel at times. And I'm just so excited to talk about this with her. Today I have my guest with me, Shantany Moore. Thank you so much for joining me today.

SPEAKER_00: 0:54

Thank you for having me. I'm excited to get into this. This is a juicy topic that I could talk about all damn day.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01

What really drew me to your Instagram was your video about the aloe athletic wear and how we love the two-piece set. We love having the yoga mat. We love the matcha morning as this epitome of wellness. And it's really become for show versus what it actually feels.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26

Yeah, I think that narrative has been so harmful for me in my life, even being someone who spent 10 years in the fitness industry in wellness spaces, and it's just time to pull it back. We need to talk about it and just put it on the airwaves because I know that there's probably someone listening who might feel like you have to keep up, and I'm just here to tell you, you don't have to keep up.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47

Tell us, how did you get started in the wellness space?

SPEAKER_00: 1:53

So my journey started about 10 years ago. I was a professional dancer who found fitness and yoga as a side hustle and also as a way to cross-train. And once I started going down that journey and trying to do it all, I live in Los Angeles. I was trying to do it all and be it all and literally perform for a paycheck. And I found myself one day after a fitness class that I was teaching on a parking garage floor with tonic immobility and I'm unable to move from burnout, just completely burned out. My body wasn't able to function. And that was the first time where I saw there was a little bit of a chink in the armor. I was like, that's ironic that I'm a fitness professional and wellness enthusiast who is now teaching this and on the floor. So that was the beginning of my journey with this whole conversation.

SPEAKER_01: 2:48

Very nice. And now you are into spinal energetics.

SPEAKER_00: 2:53

Yes. So now I'm a body intelligence coach and I weave spinal energetics, other somatic processing practices, and what I've learned in my shamanic arts training to really like ground the esoteric principles that we come to live by and maybe aspire to be in alignment with just like your lived experience and just making it real. Do you live in DC? Yeah. Like you live in DC, I live in LA. I'm like, we gotta make it real. So what is spinal energetics? Spinal energetics is a nervous system training technique in the simplest form. We use association and awareness training to help your body to remember how to process stress faster. So many of us are living, especially if you live in like these urban areas, or if you're somebody who has a lot of responsibilities, which I know if you're listening to this podcast, you are here because you need the answers. We use this modality to help your body to remember how to come out of that chronic freeze state or any kind of stress response that we might be spiraling in that's preventing us from ultimately just feeling more grounded, integrated, and able to get through our days with less stress.

SPEAKER_01: 4:10

When I hear you talk, you sound, I mean, very certain and confident with your path within the wellness space. And I'm so curious, was there ever a part of you that wanted to leave the wellness space?

SPEAKER_00: 4:25

Girl, yes. So the second part really hit when you just said that of wanting to leave. I'll just, I'm here to say it how it is. There's room for every industry to improve, and the wellness industry has so far to go when it has through the conversation of inclusivity, of lived experience, of a lot of these. I know you talk a lot about like anti-capitalism on this podcast, and I'm sure we'll get into it. But I'll be honest, I was a wellness practitioner and fitness instructor who didn't see myself represented in the spaces. I worked in boutique fitness and worked really hard and got some really incredible connections and jobs. But when I would look around, I was the only one in the room who looked like me. And that was so on a personal level, because we're human too, disorienting, displacing, and there was this silent string of loneliness. And now I feel I'm in a different place with that conversation in my work, obviously, because I'm not teaching fitness anymore. But with my body intelligence coaching and connecting with people on how their lived experience informs the way that they move through the world is a huge conversation when we talk about wellness.

SPEAKER_01: 5:40

Especially, I feel like with social media, as influential as it is, when we have similar bodies, similar race, ethnicities representing wellness, we're creating a mold for wellness. And we can look back as early as like fashion magazines, setting the trend, setting the tone for how people should look, how people should dress, what is needed to fit in. That sort of narrative is continuing to happen in the wellness space. And as you're talking, I'm thinking about a TikTok video. This girl got major backlash for it, but she made the statement that fat people shouldn't be in Pilates. And I'm glad she got the response that she did, but it goes to show that there is an expectation that people should look a certain way, that they need to be a certain way to uh participate in wellness.

SPEAKER_00: 6:41

Totally. When you were speaking, I was also just thinking about how young this industry actually is. It's so young. It is like fresh out the gate in respect to other industries and the conversation around fitness specifically, which is tied to really deeply entrenched with the wellness conversation. And so there's room for all of us to see where we have room to improve, and as leaders and then as people who are participating in the industry to question like exactly what you said with this TikTok that went viral and got the backlash. It's like people say things and everybody's entitled to say what they're gonna say, but you need to be conscious of what you're saying and who you're saying it to. And I think that really people should hold leaders accountable and hold us all accountable. And when we know better, we do better. What is that? My Angelou, I think she says that. And uh, our industry has a long way to go.

SPEAKER_01: 7:38

Absolutely. Do you ever feel like wellness is a buzzword now? Oh my gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 7:46

I have been, Jasmine, let me tell you, this is like behind the scenes, okay? I have been on this whole rebranding journey because when people think about it, that's their first gateway into understanding that health goes beyond the physical. I think people usually start out their journey going, oh, I'm not happy with how I'm feeling or looking at my body. So they find fitness and then they find wellness, and then they go, actually, I need a therapist. And so it's like this natural journey. But yeah, I definitely think that it's a buzzword now. In my practice, I like to really encourage this conversation around wholeness versus wellness. What does it mean to be well? And what does it mean to feel more whole and more integrated? Pun intended to have all of our parts coming together. And that wellness doesn't just have to do with how you look, it has to do with how you feel, how you relate to other people, to your community, how you're engaging with your community. So it's very much a buzzword, in my opinion. And yeah, that's the conversation we need to be having, I think, is more about wholeness.

SPEAKER_01: 9:01

And the statement of wholeness, I feel like encapsulates what people are seeking when they discuss wellness. It's the spiritual, it's the physical, it is the mental, it's the emotional, it's the whole person versus this commodified version of wellness that I think that we sometimes put on display because it looks really pretty, but that's not really like the journey of I feel like seeking wholeness for people. It's actually pretty messy.

SPEAKER_00: 9:32

Totally. Oh my gosh, it's so messy, it's the messiest, and it's this balance, right? Like from a business standpoint, there's something to be said where I understand that you want to get messages out there, and sometimes it's easier to digest with a certain aesthetic or branding or whatever, but you're so right, it is so messy. I just keep thinking, like in my practice, people come in and they might say things that tend to be more, I'm gonna use the language of surface level, but it might just be like more relational. I don't like how I feel in my body, for example. We've been talking a lot about bodies so far, right? And when you really dive underneath the hood, it's what is this, what is this really about? What is it that you're wanting to experience? Is it really that you want to quote unquote lose weight, or is it that you really just want to feel more grounded and you want to relate to people in a way where you don't feel like you constantly have to fix and fuss with your external to feel like you belong? Is that what this is really about? And I agree with you. It's just, it's never really about the thing. It's usually about what's underneath the hood and asking the question. I'll just end this point with this of so that you can what? This is something I say all the time. It's okay, you want to launch this business so that you can what? So you can make lots of money. Why do you want to make a lot of money so that you can take care of your mother, so that you can, you know, like just challenging people to go deeper? It's like, it's never usually just about the thing, which I know because you're a therapist.

SPEAKER_01: 11:08

It's never about the thing, and it's always about the more vulnerable thing that we're working towards that we don't always have the words for. I'm curious, as a black woman in this space, do you ever feel like you have to shape shift in any way to be received?

SPEAKER_00: 11:28

This has been a long journey for me. The short answer is yes. Like, I feel that pressure. I would be disingenuous to say that I don't experience that very real pressure. And my Scorpio mid-heaven be slinking girl. She be like going through, you know what I'm saying? So that's a real shadow as well. But I think something that has helped me to navigate these spaces is to just ask myself this, which this is a shamanic principle of like, how can I be a bridge? How can I be a bridge and not abandon myself in the space, but be a bridge between worlds, between my lived experience and someone else's who might look different than me, and help them to not, it's not my job to make them understand, but to stand in my own right in my truth. I'm a black woman and I'm also first generation here, and my dad's from Jamaica, my mom's from Singapore. I have a very nuanced experience as well, and not feeling like I even have to, this is a shadow as well, where you might feel like you have to live up to people's expectations, especially as a black woman. Like people have an expectation or a stereotype or something that they're carrying, and you feel you can feel that pressure. And I definitely have a lot of compassion in that conversation because it is a it's a tricky line to walk, and I just think that we all get to find how we can be a bridge.

SPEAKER_01: 13:08

Thank you so much for sharing that. And as I'm hearing you, like being a bridge is a huge responsibility, it's a big weight to carry.

SPEAKER_00: 13:18

Yeah, I think this is the conversation, right? It's like this extra invisible labor. This invisible labor of how am I being perceived? I know that you talk a lot about visibility, right? How am I being perceived? And that's the truth of our experience. It's the truth of the world that we live in, and that's why I love supporting people who people like us, because it's a nuanced conversation of how are you being perceived versus who are you really? And what invisible labor can we put down? And so, with my somatic work and my body intelligence coaching, this is a space for you to be visible in the truth of who you are first, before the world, because telling you who you are supposed to be, or supposed to act, or supposed to talk. There's this quote by Pablo Picasso, and I believe he said something along the lines of, I spent my entire life learning how to paint like a kid again. And I feel like that is the weight that we carry, especially as black women, and especially as black women in the wellness and healing space, is I am asking the question of who am I? And who was I before everyone else told me who I should be?

SPEAKER_01: 14:44

Um chill, just like having this conversation because we show up online, we are visibly black, like owning that, and we have no control of how people receive or perceive that. And so maybe diluting our message, or maybe not being as outspoken, maybe not being as bold with some of our takes, because we know they will be received very differently from someone else who might say the same thing. And let to what you said earlier about oh, not self-abandoning, about staying true to ourselves, being anchored in confident in who we are is I know for me is a full-time job if as long as I choose to show up publicly, as long as I choose to show up, have opinions, be someone that is public in the healing space. I have to feel so certain about myself because there are going to be so many people that will benefit from me questioning myself.

SPEAKER_00: 15:48

Come on now. That who will benefit from me questioning myself. And and I think you do a really beautiful job of this, and I just want to commend you on it because it's I was listening to one of your episodes before getting on here, and you were talking about yeah, your journey with visibility and how more nuanced conversations when posted on social media dragged uh but just dragged. You're like, you have no context, honey. You have no context, and you are taking my words and twisting them. And yes, what you said as well of acknowledging I'm work more in that esoteric, and you're also in the coaching space, but it's predominantly a white female space, and I just it's it just doesn't hit the same when or it doesn't land the same, and is it perceived the same when I say the same things that other people are saying? So the question that I ask for myself and for my clients, and is what's the path through? Because so often we can say, I could never say it like that, or I could never do that, right? And I I like to ask, well, it's not if you can, it's just how. How are we gonna find a path through? And acknowledging that if you are somebody who is visible in the public eye or looking to be, there's a fine line with vulnerability. It doesn't mean that you have to overshare in a way that takes you outside of your window of tolerance, right? What is something that is true and honest and speaks to what you want to speak to, but it's also not gonna put you on the personal level, the person behind the camera, in jeopardy with your own mental health.

SPEAKER_01: 17:34

Yeah. It it is a balancing act for sure. But I do believe that the payoff is much more positive. Being able to be seen, being able to navigate authenticity publicly, uh it is it allows that representation. Like we allow representation when we choose to show up in these spaces and choose to share our opinions and stand by them and stand behind them. What anchors you what grounds you in your own life that allows you to do the work? Because coaching and especially energetics can be very sensitive work in the sense that other people's energy can potentially bleed out, like you're carrying so much. And so, what grounds you to be able to support people in the ways that you do?

SPEAKER_00: 18:30

That's such a beautiful question. And I I first want to say, just nodding back to what you just said about being authentic and letting yourself speak, your people cannot find you if they cannot see you. And there's something so powerful that I think we get to do is when we speak in our visibility and allow ourselves to be authentic. Yeah, you do run the risk of criticism, but you also there's so much benefit to actually going, oh, you all think this too. That's sometimes where I think that sometimes the algorithm can be on your side, where it'll start pushing your stuff to people who agree. And so that can make you feel less lonely. Coming back to what grounds me in this conversation. Well, my philosophy, which is in alignment with the things that I've learned and the teachers and the mentors that I have the privilege to work with, is not really subscribing to this idea of bad or like negative energy, first of all, where I think in the conventional, like you'll see you gotta stay high vibe, everybody stay high vibe, and it's all about positive, what is that, toxic positivity? Like, we are not about this, we are not about this in my corner of the internet. Number one, I think it takes a level of courage for all of us to really be able to sit with people in the hard stuff. And so that really is something that in those moments where I feel my humanity goes, whew, this is a lot, like, or whatever, the energetically I'm feeling a lot. I look at it as we're all just walking stories, we're all living our stories and our bodies hold stories. And so I just get to read a chapter out of your book. And for me to be able to experience that, whether it be somatically, energetically, or even relationally, like you and I talking right now. Like I get to add a couple more wrinkles to my brain and a couple more pages to my book where I get to learn. So that's like a cognitive way that I can sometimes talk myself through it. On a practical sense, what really grounds me in that work? It's really being a student in the work. I receive session and receive coaching as well. And allowing myself to stay grounded in that humanity and be in the work and go, oh yeah, I got my shit to work on too, guys. And it keeps me connected to the truth and doesn't make me fear it quite so much. And the last thing I'll say is with the texture of somatics that I'm working with, it really teaches you how to listen in such a way. Where I think I said this in this conversation where I was like, oh, I have this like podcast interview with Jasmine, we've been ramping up for it. I'm so excited. And noticing this, like the texture of the fine line between excitement and anxiety, and going, maybe not make a story about this. I think it could be a little bit of a both. So I'm just gonna get on my mat and just use the tools that I have to just move the energy. So insummation to answer the question, knowing that I don't believe personally in negative or bad energy. I think that we're all just walking each other home. And being a student of the work and being an integrity in that allows me to have a read on my own system and respond accordingly.

SPEAKER_01: 22:10

Yeah. You mentioned earlier, too, about having mentors and teachers. And I've found that the only way that I've been able to really elevate is also having people hold me up as well. Huge.

SPEAKER_00: 22:24

And you know what else? Is having like different circles for those different aspects as well, like having a community for people who understand you professionally because like your bestie from when you were 10 years old might not be in the same line of work. And so if you're going to them and talking to them about it, it you might not be met in the way that you need, right? So, like having community in your line of work, and then on the flip side, having people that you can connect with that don't give a shit about what you do for work and can just connect with you on a human level. So, yeah, I think that's a huge part of it. I believe in what I know about your work, you talk a lot about community care and collective care, which I think is a huge conversation around wellness and the conversation around how capitalism and colonization has found its way into the wellness space, right? Is sectoring us off all of us off and having this huge push around only the self. And how am I taking care of me and setting boundaries, which people say setting boundaries, but really they're just pushing people out. And like finding that line, I think, is really important.

SPEAKER_01: 23:45

Absolutely. I it's so sad to me. I feel like sometimes we've gotten into a space where we almost want to resolve ourselves of responsibility for others to the extent that we just truly isolate ourselves, we truly disconnect ourselves from the human experience because we are so engulfed with the self. We're so interested in how we can improve ourselves, how we can protect our energy, how we can have like tunnel vision on our goals. And I am just ambitious as the next girly. And I also believe in holding my people up because I also need that. And if relationships aren't reciprocal, if relationships aren't fueling one another, then really we're just like we're just isolated beings trying to put out things that are completely disconnected from what the community actually is looking for.

SPEAKER_00: 24:46

Totally. And it I it again it comes to this conversation for me around courage. This is something for me on a personal level of living my life courageously and being brave and what I've learned through some of my shamanic arts training and just watching nature in general. It's I talk a lot about this. It's I call it like buffalo medicine. And I don't know if you've heard this, but there's this saying, I am not like a professional when it comes to cattle and livestock, but here's what they say. Okay, the proverbial day is that when you're looking at livestock naturally, let's just take cattle versus buffalo. So if there's a storm coming, the cattle will sense that and they tend to run in the direction that is going away from the storm, right? So if it's coming from the east, they're running to the west. What happens is cattle get tired and they end up staying in the storm longer because the storm catches up with them, right? Now, Buffalo, the proverbial they say, that it they tend to run towards the storm and they actually charge through it, knowing that it's gonna be harder and more challenging, but they get through it faster. And I think about that a lot in my life and use it as a metaphor with my clients of like, how can we be the buffalo? Like, how can we go towards it courageously, which allows us, which comes up in this conversation around how we are allowing ourselves to let others in this conversation around collective care and be courageous and show up in those moments where you're like, I don't know, this feels hard, all of that stewing inside of you. And so that's what I work with with my clients is like how can you hold more capacity for the hard stuff so you can be courageous and not be so in your own, and I don't mean this in a negative way, but like your self-centered store and really think about the bigger picture.

SPEAKER_01: 26:53

Yes. How can we build and therapy speak? How can we build our distress tolerance? How can we set ourselves up to withstand hard situations and still come out able to trust who we are, trust our voice, and still feel confident that if something else hard were to happen, we would be able to hold ourselves up.

SPEAKER_00: 27:21

That's the ticket, I think. And more and for it's a complex, nuanced conversation coming back to people's lived experience. Because when you're talking about distress tolerance, like you brought up, and we also brought up the invisible labor that we carry, you and I and people like us. And so our cup is already pretty full with stress and distress. And so, yeah, I think that's a really important conversation as well to for us to have compassion for ourselves, but also to understand that we're all holding just a little bit more than what meets the eye.

SPEAKER_01: 27:59

Yeah. And not villainizing or shaming any of it, like you said about no bad energy, no bad feeling, no bad vibes, like all of any emotion, any energy, any feeling is all data. It's information. It allows us to make more informed choices. And so the more that we can allow ourselves to lean into those more uncomfy feelings like anger, resentment, sadness, shame, embarrassment, the more that we allow ourselves room to allow those in, the more information we have about ourselves.

SPEAKER_00: 28:39

And then the more that we can move forward and actually feel more capable because you have that awareness and you've met it, you know it, you love it, you sat it down, you took it out for coffee, you know, like you have you are with it. You're like, okay, I know this about myself. And that doesn't mean that we have to then like always strive to this. Is something else that I talk about is like how perfectionism is really woven into that conversation, especially in the wellness space and spirituality and this concept of enlightenment. And there is, and this is my opinion. So, my opinion is that there's just a lot, way too much conversation around being enlightened or being like high vibe, and like this conversation around like being better than is really what it is. When some of the most wise people that I know have never stepped foot into a yoga studio. So I think there's something to be said about this. Again, it's just having that perspective of letting people teach you. The other day, me and my partner were at the farmers market, and I was having a day where I was beating myself up back end business stuff, day in the life. And he was like, Let's just go for a walk, and we end up at this farmers market, and there's this 10 year old kid who is. Like, hey, I made some hot sauce. Do you want to buy it? And I remember just being like, if this teeny tot mogul could be out here in these LA streets, like we are gonna be okay. And my point in sharing that story is if a 10-year-old can teach me like something that day, like we need to just dismantle this whole conversation of hierarchy when it comes to spirituality, healing, wellness. It's like we're all teaching each other all the time. And I gotta, that was that Sunday, I was like, okay, we are back on the horse.

SPEAKER_01: 30:34

And it's just a reminder that showing up is literally 90% of the battle.

SPEAKER_00: 30:40

Ugh, literally, literally showing up, getting yourself to the point. Because if you've done all that work, once you're there, you're like, we're here. We're recording. We're live. We might as well do it.

SPEAKER_01: 30:51

He already had his hot sauce. He was at the farmer's market. Now the worst thing that can happen is someone said no, but I put myself out there. I have created this product. I am offering this product. I've done the heavy work. And then I've done the work. The right people will find me.

SPEAKER_00: 31:10

That's right. And I was like, yes, you can put that sauce on a chip and let me taste it, boo. Let me let me get a sample. I was like, okay. But yeah, I think there's it's again, it's I'm hearing a theme here and putting yourself out there. Visibility, the invisible labor that we carry, having discernment with the messages that we're taking in around all of that. Like super important. I think it's really important. And I do think that it's shifting. It's slowly starting to shift. I think in the last five years, people are getting over it. They're getting over it because they're not feeling met. And I'm really excited about that actually. I don't know. How do you feel about it?

SPEAKER_01: 31:48

Oh, yeah. I feel like the nothing but good vibes, like relaxed nervous system is we are now realizing is just repackaged perfectionism. Like no one is always 100% zen. Nobody's nervous system is always 100% regulated. That's not realistic. How about I get to crash out and then come back to my center?

SPEAKER_00: 32:18

Okay, because that right there, like there's the there's so much in that. There's so much life in that. That's so human, that's so real, that's life. That's something that I can definitely get behind. And it's like, I was just thinking, I was like, are you in my journal or in my like messaging strategy? That's crazy. This repurpose perfectionism is a huge part of it. And it is a slippery slope because at the end of the day, it pulls on that thread, I think, as humans, of us just wanting to live our best life, whatever that means. Make the most out of this thing. I'm a millennial, I've got maybe 50 more years at this if I'm lucky, if all goes well. And you're like, man, I really hope I do this justice, do this service. Like, I really give my all. And yeah, it is a fine line to walk, but I love how you framed that. It's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01: 33:09

I the most dysregulated my nervous system has felt was when I was constantly walking around as if I always had it together. Or if I always had this regulated state. But when I've allowed myself to rage, when I've allowed myself to cry, now that I've allowed myself to experience a range of emotion, it has given me the tools to learn how to return to my baseline. Performing and pretending that I like full zen, like high vibe, all that did was left me feeling really disregulated, like really confused in my own body. But when I've allowed myself to express, to share and to move through it, that's when I felt like okay, I got it. That's when I felt the most confident.

SPEAKER_00: 34:08

Yes, and the this comes up a lot with clients for me, and I'm curious for you, but working somatically in the body, we talk a lot about and feel a lot about the resonance between different states and the resonance between anger and passion or grief and love. I think I cannot think of her name, Marissa. There's her book is called Grief is Love, I believe. And I believe she said grief is love with nowhere to go. And that for me is like when you really think about it, that's there's a connection between all of these feelings. If you take anger, for example, it feels like intense and like you wanna, but then when you flip it and you can alchemize it, you can channel passion through it. Or today, right before this call, I was like, am I anxious or excited? Doesn't matter actually, it doesn't really matter, but we can channel, we can weave those two and come to some kind of resolution. And I just think it adds so much more texture, it's so much more texture to the human experience to let ourselves feel that and to let us let ourselves experience that because like my belief is that we yeah, we that's the most one of the greatest gifts of being in the human experience is having such a myriad of texture in our day-to-day life and emotions let us do that.

SPEAKER_01: 35:45

This has been such a rewarding conversation, and I feel like so many people can resonate with just the idea of just showing up for yourself to to live within your truth, to be scared and do it anyway. I feel like we've touched on so many various topics, but being able to like find that anchor within, not seeking, not looking for someone else to be performing it, not looking for someone else to be the model, but finding that anchor within and then allowing that to be portrayed externally and coming home to ourselves at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_00: 36:30

That's what it's all about. And I know that for myself, I don't want to speak for you, but and for anyone listening, it's yeah, just anchoring down in the truth of your experience and let yourself just be human. It's okay. Nobody has it figured out, and I know you know that already, but it's nice to hear.

SPEAKER_01: 36:48

Putting double emphasis on it, nobody has it figured out. None of us do. We are winging it, we are showing up every day. Winging it every day. Where can folks find you if they are interested in learning more or wanting to work with you?

SPEAKER_00: 37:07

Yeah, you can find me if you want to shoot me a DM on Instagram. I'm at Somatic CEO. That's where you can just get straight into my inbox and talk. But I would love to gift you and your listeners one of my fun free quizzes, which is called What Wild Animal Runs Your Subconscious? And it's a fun, like, it's giving buzzfeed. It's giving, I just need a little cute dopamine hit that's gonna actually teach me something. And I have fused attachment theory and nervous system research to help us to understand like how what archetype are you and how stress is moving and motivating you in your life, but also having this conversation of like how can you alchemize nerves into excitement? How can you like really walk this way that we've been talking about today? So definitely invite y'all to take that quiz. It's lots of fun. Shoot me a DM at Somatic CEO and share this episode with a friend who you think needs it.

SPEAKER_01: 38:11

Everything will be linked in the show notes. And as a closing question for all of my guests in the latter half of the year, I am asking, what word do you want to embody by the end of 2025?

SPEAKER_00: 38:25

What word do I want to embody? This one's a good question. I'm gonna have to sit with it for just a moment. The loudest word that I'm hearing is devotion. Devotion to myself, to what I believe, to those I love, to those I've yet to meet, to my community, to the earth. Just being in devotion, being in service, and just leaving this place a little bit brighter than how I found it.

SPEAKER_01: 39:00

Thank you so much for joining me today.

SPEAKER_00: 39:03

Thank you so much, Jasmine. It's been a pleasure.