We Started a Candle Business From Our Kitchen. Here's How We Did It.

#043 Your first candle sale is not a marketing problem, it’s usually a foundation problem. We sit down and map the real early steps of starting a candle business so you can stop guessing and start building something stable: learn the craft, test with structure, and document every detail so your candles get better fast instead of repeating the same mistakes.

We also talk about resources that are actually worth your time. There’s a lot of candle business advice online, but not all of it comes from people running a real business. We share how to spot trusted sources, when Facebook groups help (and when they don’t), and why mentorship can shorten your learning curve. If you want a clear path, we cover what to focus on first and what to ignore until later.

Then we get practical: what supplies you need, what a realistic candle business startup cost can look like, and how to keep it lean by starting with five or six scents instead of going huge on day one. We dig into the reality of a home-based candle business too, including dedicated space, storage, and basic ventilation so you don’t burn out or overwhelm your household.

Finally, we zoom out to the bigger candle business plan: defining your target customer and niche, keeping a simple product line, picking where to sell (Shopify, Etsy, markets, or wholesale), and using markets as proof of concept. Customer feedback and reviews become your roadmap for what to launch next.

If this helped, subscribe for more candle making and candle business training, share it with a maker friend, and leave a review so more people can find the show. What are you working on right now: testing, pricing, or picking your first scents?

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Welcome And Viewer Questions

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Welcome back to the Candle Business Pro Podcast. I'm your host, Sebastian Garza. Today I'm excited to answer more questions from viewers like yourself. If you have questions you would like for me to answer on an upcoming episode, just drop those in the comments below and I'll get to those soon. Let's dive in today. Today we're going to talk all about the first steps of starting a candle business. I have five or six questions here from audience members that I'm excited to dive into. Let's get into it. All right. So the first question today is from Christopher Young. And that question is how can I start a candle business? Great question. So the first steps to starting a candle business is going to be perfecting the craft of making your candles. So doing the research, making sure that you want to do this long term, because a lot of us think about wanting to start a candle business. When we start making candles, it might become a different story for you. You may realize you're not going to have the passion that you thought you might. Or once you realize how much goes into testing, you may realize this isn't the avenue I want to go down. And that's totally fine. There's plenty of other crafts out there that you can get into that you can turn into a business, just like soaps, perfumes, uh, woodworking, 3D printing. There's so many different crafts. If this is something you're wanting to do, is going into the crafting space. There's so many other opportunities out there. Don't limit yourself just to candles because it's what you're thinking about doing today. But if you want to get started, you want to learn the craft. You need to know the ins and outs of candle making. Lots of great resources on YouTube. What I do recommend though is kind of having that mentor, that person, that YouTube channel, that uh candle making course that you're going to follow and stick with that person because what you're going to find out in the candle making space, there's a lot of opinions. There's a lot of different answers. And not all of them are wrong. And in fact, a lot of them are right. We just have different ways of getting the results that we're looking for. We have our candle making course at candle businesspro.com that people have found to be super successful for them. A lot of people have gone through that course. They have then turned it into a business. And then they come and hang out with us inside of the inner circle, which is our uh membership community where people are scaling their business. So the first thing to do is to learn the foundations of candle making. Make sure you're still going to enjoy it after that. There's gonna be a lot of testing that goes into perfecting that candle. So this is gonna take you a couple of months. Some people will say that it's it's taken them six months, a year. With us, with our course, we teach people how to do this in 28 days. That's kind of our uh slogan is to learn uh professional candle making and you'll be ready to sell in 28 days. Uh, it all comes down to having a uh testing structure. And that's something that we rely heavily on. You don't have to, of course, take our course, you can learn candle making in lots of different places. But the tip I would give you is from the beginning, document everything. Document the oils, the wicks, document every single hour of your testing, take uh photos, take videos, document all of that stuff very heavily so that you're gonna understand when you go back and look at that candle when you're done burning it after a couple weeks of testing, that you understand where it went wrong. And by documenting that entire journey, you're going to be uh able to find success a lot quicker. Because what's gonna happen is you're gonna be testing multiple candles. And you're if to test, say, a 10-ounce candle like this, this is gonna take you 15, 16, 17 tests to get all the way to the bottom because you're gonna want to be testing this like in four-hour increments. At the end of 15, 17 days of testing that, if it fails, you're gonna want to be able to go back and find out when it failed. That's why in our course we always teach people to document everything and we teach how to do that. So, first step to uh starting a candle business is going into candle making. And then you're gonna want to look at how you're and think about how you're going to want to sell. There are gonna be so many different ways of selling candles, and I'll address that here in an upcoming question that I have. All right. So the next question here is from Jennifer Moore. And her question is what resources should I use when starting a candle business? So, great question. There is our YouTube channel, there is our podcast, and there is a lot of free resources right out there on our website. In fact, we have a guide for you to start your candle business completely free. It's at candle businesspro.com/slash guide. I'll also drop it in the notes below here. Completely free. It's 10 steps of starting your candle business. But you're gonna want to learn from other makers that are actually doing it. Now, there's a lot of resources out here from people giving advice. Uh there's, you know, there's my YouTube channel and there's other YouTube channels as well. What I would recommend is to avoid some misinformation out here is to see who's actually doing it as a business. There's a lot of content creators, there's a lot of people that have YouTube channels. There's a few people that have actual podcasts that they're releasing episodes every week. And the topic is candle business, candle making. Are they actually running a candle business? So that's what I would dive into. You can take a look at our uh goal planning workshop of 2026 or every year, depending on when you are watching this. Every January, we do a goal planning workshop for the entire year. And it will allow you to look at your business and what your goals are and how you're going to achieve those goals. But when I'm going through that, I actually screen share what my business did for the previous year. I show you what our wins were, what our losses were, and what our expectations for this next year is going to be. In this uh latest recap, I showed that our numbers for this past year was$491,000 in sales. And that sells directly to customers. That does not include our wholesale business. And the only reason I'm sharing this is because it is important when you are following someone, whether you want to call them a mentor or a guide or an accountability buddy, whatever you want to call that, that, that, or that even just that Facebook group that you might be in, that the advice that you're taking in and absorbing is coming from a trusted source. And there's a lot of content creators out that are just going to put information out there. And their business is actually just to get likes on their on their content to, you know, because that that does uh create some revenue. So there's something to keep in mind there is have a trusted resource, whatever that might be. Um, but again, you can grab that guide from us completely free at Kindle Business Pro.com slash guide. That's gonna help. Um, some other resources are going to be some Facebook groups. There's lots of Facebook groups out there. Again, you're you'll see who's giving you answers, and then you may want to kind of dive in, check out their website, check out their profile to see, hey, are they a trusted person? And if so, maybe send them a message and say, hey, you know, thank you for all the knowledge that you are providing and answering these questions for me. You know, would you mind if I reached out to you personally? Um, you know, in the future when I had questions, a lot of people are gonna be willing to give you, uh, you know, kind of partner up with you on things. There are some uh negative, uh, I call them the piranhas in the Facebook groups, the people that will always be negative, always they're always commenting, but they're just miserable. They're just miserable people, right? And so they're always negative about posts. There's gonna be piranhas in just about every group. Uh so I just say just be mindful of that. Uh, don't pay them any attention. Block them if you want. Uh, in our group, we uh the Candle Business Pro Facebook group is completely free to join. Uh, you can come and join that. There was a link in the show notes, I'm sure, for that as well. Um, we monitor it very, very heavily. We don't give people second chances. Uh, when they have those side comments, we just remove them from our group. It's just not necessary. I do think that that is why our group does have a lot of engagement, is because, you know, for one, it's free. For two, me, myself, and Chad are in there daily, uh, hoping to answer questions and guide people in direction. And we also let people have their own opinions. Just because I do one thing one way doesn't mean everyone does. But when you are looking at taking advice from someone, I would uh, you know, check out their profile and see what other comments that they have left and see if it's someone that kind of aligns with you. And especially when it comes to also like within your own values and whatever the mission is going to be for your business. But um, finding uh trusted resources is going to be something that I highly recommend doing. There are some other topics that you can get addressed on supplier websites, whether it's Candle Science or Macy or Hyvin Honey or uh Black Tie Bar, whatever supplier that you are buying supplies from, a lot of them will have some resources on their website too. So that'll be a great place to get some pretty trusted information. Again, not all the information is going to align. Um, they're gonna have different opinions when it comes to different things, but it doesn't mean it's wrong. So just keep that in mind. So that will be a great place to go and get some trusted information that I would definitely trust. Uh, again, mentorship is one that I always recommend. That's what our uh inner circle is for. And it's something it's it's just a way of speeding up. It's it's the way of getting from A to B a lot quicker uh because you have people that have already gone through a filtering system to see if they qualify to be inside uh to give the answers that they're giving uh on a particular topic, right? Because they're already working on scaling their own candle business as well. Uh, you can obviously learn more about uh the inner circle at candle business pro's website as well. But hopefully that's a lot of valuable places for you to go to right here on YouTube. Uh find trusted pages that you uh want to follow and listen to their videos or watch their videos, I should say. Uh podcast, there's a few of them out there. Obviously, or if you're watching this on YouTube, we also have a podcast that you can get this in audio form to take this on the go. And if you are listening to this on a podcast, you can go and watch this video out on YouTube. So following YouTube, you can follow uh on podcasters. Uh, you can also get candle communities, just like the candle business pro Facebook community. There's other ones out there that are great. There's some of them that have kind of have lost their admins or moderators, and then now they have just kind of uh been filled up with spam. There's still a few really good groups out there. Try to avoid misinformation by not believing everything that you're seeing. Um, kind of investigate the uh person a little bit, uh, you know, just to say, oh yeah, like I've seen his name or her name pop up a few times. Let me see what their candle business is. There's people that are gonna always give advice that aren't actually running a business. Keep that in mind as well. And if you want to speed things up the quickest, try to get some mentorship. Reach out to someone, say, hey, would you mind mentoring me? Hey, can we keep each other accountable on this journey? That is a way that you can really get to the next level really quick. Next question here is from Debbie Swales. And her question is, what supplies do I need to get started? And how much does it cost? Okay, great question. Let me address the how much does it cost first? That's like the big part of this for us. It took us about twelve hundred dollars to go through all of our testing to decide on what our cents are going to be and create that initial inventory, that initial run of our products that we are going to have that are ready to sell as soon as someone comes to our website and buys. I can mail this out. We wanted to have a good stock of inventory ready to go. So all in, it cost us about$1,200. That was the supplies. That was uh, including we even got a wax melter in there. Um, so wax melter, wax, wicks, vessels to do all of our testing and then to uh create our labels to get labels printed, to open up and build our website and to get this ready to sell to the public with roughly$1,200. There are areas that you could lower that a little bit. We started with 10 different cents, I would recommend. And if we were going to start all over again, I would just recommend settling on six. Uh needing no more than that is needed to start a candle business with. Start with six and then allow what is selling and doing well. Look at that data and then decide what scents you want to come out with next. For instance, our top two selling candles are citrus scented. We didn't anticipate that. We didn't know it was going to be that. But now I know. And now, because of looking at our years of data, what sells best for us, if we were to start all over again, that's what I would focus on. I would focus on a couple really strong citrus scents that people would really kind of gravitate towards. So there's a couple of areas you could scale back on versus what we spent. But I do think that on the other side, there's a lot of candle businesses that invested a lot more money than that$1,200 that I suggested. I have a YouTube uh video and podcast episode, and I believe it is titled How Much to Start a Candle Business. So if you search that on our channel, I dive into exactly what all of those costs were to get us started. And I talk about some of the costs that you might not be expecting, such as uh the fees to register your LLC, to get insurance, things like that that you're wanting, you're gonna want to get uh taken care of before you launch. So definitely check that out and I'll dive into that a lot more. But uh to answer the first part of your question, uh, what supplies do I need? We have a free supply list for you. It's actually the supply list that we use um of all of the tools and supplies that we have in our shop. So it's kind of robust, it's a few pages long, and you're not gonna need all of them right now. Uh, for instance, there's gonna be three different wick setters, which is going to be the uh contraption that we center our wick on the top of our candles with when we make them. We have three different ones. We like them for different reasons. You can check out that list and see those. Uh, you're not gonna need all three of those when when you're starting out. It's only gonna be when you uh scale up and expand and have larger vessels, you're gonna want different ones. Uh, we use two different scales. You don't necessarily need two different scales. We have one for our wax, we have one for our fragrance. On that supply list, you can see that, and you can start with just one. That'll be sufficient for both in the beginning. Also, melting equipment. So when you are first starting, uh, the double boiler, double boiler method right on your stove is just fine. It's a little trickier to work with because it's hard to get an exact temperature on there because it's, you know, it's it's under boiling water. And so it's you have to kind of be quick with it. But you will be able to make a candle that way. Uh, I don't see you being able to scale up and run a business doing that. But when you're first starting, you just got to make a few candles. See if you're gonna enjoy this first. I would do that before investing in a wax melter. When you are ready for a wax and melter, we do recommend to auto. I have an affiliate link for candle business pro viewers and listeners. If you want to grab that in the show notes below, that will save you an additional five or 10% off of the lowest price on their website. So, whatever the lowest price is, that will beat it uh on top of that. It is an affiliate link of ours. We are super, uh, super fans of them. We we enjoy them. Actually, I have a whack to make sure you're watching this. There is a two-auto melter that I love behind me here because I was just testing out doing some candles here uh in the home studio versus at the store. Uh sometimes I have an idea or channel have an idea, and we can make it now instead of having to rush to the store uh to do that with. So uh we test a lot of our oils here before we take them to the shop as well. Okay, so the next question is from Bill Leferb. Hopefully, I pronounced that closer correctly, and I apologize if I didn't, Bill. The question I have here is can I start a candle business from home? Great question. Uh and yes, you absolutely can. Just to get you an answer right away, you absolutely can. In fact, I would say at least 95, 98% of people start their candle business from home. Um, not always are people going to have that brick and mortar or that warehouse space. We started at home. We started in our kitchen and then went to our dining room and then part of our living room. And then we had we took everything out of a small office. And so I started officing in the bedroom. So I had moved the bed and we put my office because we were both working from home when we started. So I office out of there. Then we kind of grew out of that office space because this it was a small, small office. We actually took our bedroom, put that into the small office, and used the bedroom because it was the largest space. And that became our candle studio. And we did that for several months until we opened up our brick and mortar to get all of the candles out of the house. Because that was my goal. I said, look, we've got to open up a brick and mortar store because I want to get this out of our house. And Chad wanted to leave his nine to five and he wanted to go all in. And so that's where we made the pivot. And opening up a brick and mortar store made sense. Doesn't mean it's gonna make sense for everyone. Some things to consider when you are starting this business from home. It's going to be, like I just said, space considerations. Where are you going to make candles? I would recommend having a dedicated space. I know you're going to start in the kitchen, start in the dining room, you're going to have candles all over the place. Once you start getting to a point of taking this serious and saying, yes, this is the direction I'm going to go. I want to focus on this candle business every day, whether that's in my spare time or on the weekends. Uh if you're going to dedicate time to making this business work for you, you also want to have a dedicated space. You want to be able to close the door. You want to be able to shut your candle business off from your personal life. Especially if you're not a single person living on your own. It's one thing if it's your single person living on your own, being surrounded by all your candles, totally fine. What I found is that I needed to be able to get away from it. And that's why we ended up putting it in the office. I ended up being coming into the bedroom. Because it was like the the household rule, per se, with me and Chad, right? Was like, okay, all the candle stuff has to be in there. We do not leave candles out everywhere else as far as making supplies. Because what we were doing is we had a six-foot table in the dining room. So we were labeling our candles there. And then we had our making happening in the studio or the office that became the bedroom. And then we were testing in this other room. We were doing it all over the house that it just got so overwhelming that we didn't think about anything else. And for a while, that's gonna be fine. It's gonna be exciting, it's gonna be fun. But eventually, you're gonna want to be able to put all that in one space, be able to close the door and take a breather, or you're gonna get burnt out from it. That's what we experience ourselves. And so that's when I finally said, Hey, I can't deal with the candles anymore in the house. I need to be able to cut off from it. And then we went and opened our uh brick and mortar store. So other things besides space consideration, there's gonna be safety. One thing that we found, and you'll you'll find this as well, is you might become overwhelmed with the oils when you're making candles in a space, in a smaller space, in a bedroom, in an office, you're making candles and your the oils are in your face consistently. That might start to irritate you a little bit. What I recommend is getting a window fan to blow that scent out of your house. Your neighbors will love it. Our neighbors love being able to smell our candle happenings going on on the inside all the time. Uh, they loved it. Uh, so we have a fan, it was like an eighth inch tall, it has two fans or two fan blades, and it blows the scent out of the house. That is something um that really helped us a lot. Also, um, wearing a mask. We would wear a mask that um you can get just one on Amazon. Uh, that it's not your typical like pandemic mask. It's actually one that also has um the air, I think defibrillators on them, where you're breathing in fresh air through there. Uh, we really liked uh those. Uh for me, I didn't get irritated much. Chad would, but he was the one that was doing a lot of the making. So he likes to wear one of those when we're doing like massive production. Even at the shop, uh the staff, it doesn't bother them because the shop is is is larger and it doesn't affect them. But Chad will still wear that occasionally. The only thing is, um all the ingredients that we're using are you know non-toxic and clean oils that we try to use uh for the majority of all our products. But I do think that there is uh a conception or a misconception when people, if the public comes into our store and we have like masks on as we're making our candles, we look like we were in like that breaking bad show, right? Where they're like making drugs or something. It's like we want to uh not wear that and make candles when we're open to the public because we don't want an impression when they see us with our masks on making candles to think that we're that our candles are not gonna be um good to burn or something. So uh just keep that in mind if if you ever get to a point where you're making candles in public, maybe not wearing the mask, but from home, a ventilation mask. That's the word I was looking for earlier. Uh a ventilation mask uh is something that will help you a lot. Also, if you are gonna be doing this from home, uh make sure that you take into consideration the storage of all your supplies. If you're gonna have a room for it or a closet for it, fantastic. Just think about where you're gonna uh store. your wax and your oils, being sure that you're not leaving them like out in a garage somewhere where the temperature is going to fluctuate tremendously or getting too too hot of hot or too cool of cools. That's just going to be something that you'll want to consider. And think about, you know, start to have that dream of what your next step is going to be, whether it's going to be to open up a warehouse to where you can go and produce your candles and also do your wholesale out of or do your fulfillment of orders out of, or do you want to open up a brick and mortar store? You can go a lot of different ways once you are in the foundations of a candle business. Next question here, we've got two more to uh to cover uh today. This one is from Raven Bradfield. And the question is did most people start from home or jump right into the business right away? So kind of following up on the previous question from Bill, the majority of people are going to start this as a hobby. We want to make candles because we enjoy it. It brings back a lot of memories. A lot of us have um memories tied to synth it's very nostalgic. We want to start a candle business possibly because it seems like a decent side hustle, right? Where you can make on your own in your own time and then you can sell on your own in your own time. So yeah you most people are going to start just from home not go all in with the business. We Chad did it kind of as a hobby at first but I I said hey if we want to do this as a business we have to think about this as a business from the beginning. And we have to do things and set things up correctly. So we wanted to go ahead and start thinking ahead you're going to want to test out some markets. You're going to want to do some markets to get proof of concept on your candles. So even if you don't plan on doing markets long term, I highly recommend that you do markets when you first start it's going to give you validation. When someone sees this candle they pick it up they smell it and they open up their purses or their bill folds to give you money. That is going to show you that you have proof of concept. If you are doing a market and a lot of people are smelling your candles and no one's buying your candles we have a problem. We either have a problem with the sense of what you're making the presentation if no one's picking it up or the cost if people like it but they're not buying it. Lots of different things that you can figure out by just doing markets. Because when you do markets you are putting your products in front of people that don't know you and you're saying hey here is something for you to buy do you want to buy this? And if they want to buy it that is a huge green light that you are doing something right. And it's just going to be something to build on other things are going to be fantastic to do doing like a farmer's market or just a pop-up you can do pop-ups inside of boutiques. If you go into a women's boutique and say hey I sell candles I make candles I would love to do a pop-up here a lot of people would be interested in that it's going to create uh traffic and buzz for them and it's also going to bring people's eyes and noses to your candles as well. So definitely think ahead of how you want to take this side business hustle and turn it into a business. And that doesn't mean you have to do it full time you can just do this part-time. In fact if we were to start all over again we love our brick and mortar stores we've opened up three brick and mortar stores we enjoy that but there's a lot of ways of selling candles that definitely does not require that um in fact they can be a burden on our business sometimes. If we were to start all over again we would probably just stick with wholesale getting our candles in lots of stores across the country because that is then going to feed customers to our website to come and buy directly from us next time and focus more on that versus going in as quick as we did into retail um into a brick and mortar store. Lots of different directions you can go with your business um there's no right way it's going to be what is going to fit your lifestyle and what kind of vision do you have for your business and then look at the small um hurdles that you need to climb over to get to that whether you want to go and open up multiple brick and mortar stores if you want to get your candles into 200 stores across the country if you want to just do private label or white label or do you want to just do corporate gifting we also do a lot of fundraising in our community. So there's lots of different ways that you can go none of them are right. None of them are wrong. So it all depends on the direction you want to go. So this last one here is really I'm just going to kind of reframe this one here. This question is from Stephanie Macy. And the question is what are the basics of starting a candle business? So let's just talk about the five foundations. Learn the craft so learn, understand, go through the testing, make sure you have a safe product you've got to have a safe product before you can move on to doing anything else. You then have to define who your target customer is going to be who are you going to make these candles for there's a million candles out there and those that will complain or bring up that it is a very saturated market are generally going to be those that make a candle without having to find target customer. Get as niche as possible with what kind of candles you want to make. Make candles for a very specific person, not for everyone. When you try to make something for everyone you're not really going to create that super fan. You want to have someone find your candles and say those were made for me. That's going to create what I call super fans. We talk about this a lot inside of the inner circle inside of our community about creating those super fans. And those people are going to be the people that are going to come back to you over and over and over again. They're going to be the ones that are going to spread word of mouth about how great your business is, but you really need to have that target customer defined. We do talk about that often in other episodes if you want me to define that even more definitely leave that in the comments below and I will answer that in an upcoming episode. Once you have learned the craft once you have defined your niche in your target audience you have to just create a simple product line a simple product line. You don't have to overdo it you don't have to do what we did which was we created this candle in 10 different scents three different sizes we also included wax melts we also included room sprays. We did way too much if we were to start all over again just like we did with our uh more recent brand that we created called Without um without brand is a brand new uh brand of ours that I started this year. And with that we started with five five cents in one size. We also did do it in perfumes as well. It is a specific type of customer we're going after um and so we did it in candles and perfume. And that is it uh we only did one size we did five cents. So just letting you know I would scale way back. I would keep it very simple. That's what I would recommend. Let your customers dictate the direction you want to go. Start with five or six cents. Whatever's selling whatever's working take that data and then expand your brand that's how you're going to save money and spend your money well is by not overcreating when you first start. The next step in the uh five foundations is going to be to choose where you want to sell your candles. You've learned the craft you have a very safe product you are confident you can put this into other people's homes you've defined who you're going to sell this candle to you've created your simple product line. Now you need to decide how you're going to sell are you going to open up a website are you going to do it just through Etsy? Are you going to just do this on markets on the weekend? Are you going to do a combination of all three of those? Are you going to utilize social media to try and sell your products as best as possible? Whatever direction you go, I definitely recommend that you open up a Shopify website just to for people to be able to discover your brand. And it's also a big trust factor. If someone doesn't have a website but they have social media they're trying to sell through, I'd be very leery of making a purchase that direction not saying it's wrong. I would just be very leery of that. Inside the inner circle one of the workshops I do in there is I show you how to build a Shopify store. So if that's something you're interested in just for that workshop you might want to take a look at the inner circle for that. Dozens of candle makers have joined the inner circle just to learn how to open up a Shopify store the way we do because I teach you the whole back end side of how to do groupings and collections properly on the back end so it displays on your website the way that you're going to want it to. But so choosing where you want to sell or do you want to go into wholesale? Wholesale is a fantastic avenue to go down that you have a lot more flexibility because you don't have to be tied to a brick and mortar store from 10 a.m to 7 p.m every single day. If you're just doing wholesale and you can definitely do that just out of your house as well. And then lastly start getting feedback from your customers from real customers that are spending money on your products take that feedback and then expand your business that way. The customers are going to dictate the direction your your business goes, but you have to be sure to get that feedback from them. So ask, ask your customers ask for reviews on your products and then occasionally send out emails to your customers asking them what products do they want? What are they thinking about most when they decide on a candle that they're buying the answer they give you might surprise you. So definitely ask them those questions. Thank you so much for tuning in today. I hope this episode has been helpful for you. Leave a comment below of course I would love a like and subscribe and share this with other makers that you think may benefit from this channel. I appreciate you being here have a fantastic rest of your week I'll talk to you soon.

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