Episode 28: Stop the Dating Groundhog Day

In this episode, inspired by the dating experience of one of our friends, we talk about why you tend to end up in repeating dating patterns with people who don’t make an effort, disrespect you, or tend to lose interest.
The modern dating world can be brutal – and I’ve heard the phrase time and again “there are no good men (or women) out there.”

In this episode, we talk about:

•  How throwaway comments like “there’s no good men/women” really hold you back from seeing the good men out there.
•  Why belief systems tend to attract more of the same (usually what we don’t like).
•  How to rewire your brain to see new opportunities and higher quality people
•  The Law of Reflections – people treat you how you treat yourself and a simple tool to shift that.

We want to hear your thoughts and questions, so if there's anything you would like us to
cover on the show, please drop us a line on info@thebone-zone.com

 and also, let us know if you’d like us to introduce a weekly live Q&A

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome to the Bone Zone. I'm Sarah.

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And I'm Richard.

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And in this podcast, we excavate sex and relationship myths and uncover the truth of how it all really works. We bridge the esoteric and practical worlds to bring you grounded, sage, and tangible advice and tools, whether you're looking to attract a soulmate relationship or grow and expand within an existing one.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Hi!

SPEAKER_00 0:36

Hello!

SPEAKER_01 0:37

And uh good morning, good afternoon, good evening, the usual. I hope you're all very well. Welcome to the latest rendition of The Bone Zone.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Welcome. Well, I'm I'm being quiet so Richard can do the introduction today because if you've been listening. If you've been listening for a while, you know I tend to interrupt him.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

So like all the time. And then when she actually lets me speak and stays quiet. Um exactly. I forgot what I'm saying. So, anyway, this week we're going to start off uh with a couple of stories, actually. They revolve around dates.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

So this is an episode for those of you that are looking for love.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

I don't know quite. I mean, this is what we have observed, or what has been actually told to us as a story of people who why can I not find a partner?

SPEAKER_00 1:45

And when they talk about their dates, let's let's keep it more simple than that. Okay. It's it's about how and why we tend to find ourselves on quote unquote bad dates, and I say quote unquote because nothing is ever fully good or bad, but this episode is inspired by Shipeng, who came to stay with us this weekend and is doing the Camino de Santiago. So, Shipeng, if you're listening, this one is for you, and she specifically wanted her name mentioned as well.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

So, yes, yes. I we said we would give her a shout out. Hey Shipeng, this is for you. Yes, well, I can't really remember that story. It involves her, a German man who she didn't understand if he was German or Italian, being half and half, and uh, she asked if Germans have uh lack of people skills, which in my experience they sometimes do.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

She wondered if his lack of people skills were to do with being on the spectrum or the fact that he was German.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Yes. So I certainly wasn't Italian.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

No, I don't know where you got Italian from.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

Well, she said she was half Italian.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

No, he wasn't half Italian.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Yeah, yes, he was.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

Okay, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

Yeah, and I'm saying he was not Italian.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

So briefly to recount the story, she went on a series of dates with this guy who I think it was three dates, she said.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

And he would do things like, Hey, would you like to go see this play? And she was like, Yeah, sure. And then he was like, Well, here's the link. The seating is unallocated, so we should just buy our tickets separately. So he wanted to take her on a date, he wanted to go to a play, but he was unable to even organise the buying of the tickets, and I will add as well that she said she would have even paid for the tickets if he had asked her. It was just the principle of organizing and sorting out the ticket purchase.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

But it's also he asked her out on a date, and this was the second date.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

Yes. At the end of every date, she wasn't even sure if he liked her at all because he really had made minimal effort. So, for example, he could have accompanied her home to her flat in London because they actually lived relatively near each other, but he decided to go on a completely separate train because it was quote unquote more efficient for him. That's very German actually to go that way rather than taking a slightly longer route home, dropping her at her door and dare I say, even popping up to hers for a coffee. Yes, that didn't happen. Anyway, she actually was surprised, therefore, when after these series of dates he kept saying, That was really lovely, I'd like to do this again. So that's um that's kind of the end of the story part.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

It's a dramatic pause.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Well, I was waiting for you to add anything if you had anything to add.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

I didn't have anything to add at all. That was the story part.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Well, we're trying to let's break down what's going on with it.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

As soon as I start speaking, then you interrupt me. What is this?

SPEAKER_00 5:37

No, you know what happens. I leave space for you to speak, and then you get weirded out, and then it's like you can only speak if you're being interrupted. What is that about? Um, that's a that's a podcast for another time. Um okay, moving on. Let's break down some of what is going on here. So let's broaden it out first to any situation where you're going on a date with a man and he really isn't putting in any effort, or even let's turn this around as well to the other way. You feel that the other side is not making any effort, and you're almost surprised when they keep wanting to see you. It's it's obviously something that naturally happens when you get to your 30s, 40s, and you're single, that you are an independent person, and independence is obviously a great thing. All of us within or without a relationship should be able to see ourselves as a fully functioning person that can operate independently of those around them. However, in my observations of people that tend to go on these kind of dates, they think things like you know, making sure that you can get yourself there and get yourself home and making sure that you're always paying 50-50 is about independence. But it isn't.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

Is it really all about independence?

SPEAKER_00 7:34

But it isn't always the case, or it isn't fully the case all of the time. So let me explain what I mean. After 10-20 years of dating, if you haven't met a suitable partner, there is a very strong chance that you've become jaded, and that you will make comments like there are no good men out there. I've heard that before multiple times, and you might think it's a harmless throwaway comment, but it isn't.

SPEAKER_01 8:11

You're settling, aren't you?

SPEAKER_00 8:13

Yes, you're well, first of all, you're establishing the belief that there are no good men out there, and what that means is your brain will look for evidence that that is true. Precisely you will have a whole backlog of past evidence to support that, you will have current evidence to support that, you will look around you at your friends that are getting divorced, and you'll say, Yeah, it's true. There are no good men.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Well, the brain will tell you, convince you that it is true.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

Then maybe you see your one or two friends that are really, really happy in their relationship, and you're like, Well, they're an anomaly, right? So they're they're like the exception, or they're putting it on, or they're putting it on, that could be something you think as well. Now, you will continue to look for evidence that that is true, and what will happen is that you will shut down any evidence that that is not the case. So, just like I said, you'll say any other evidence is an exception and not the general rule.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Or a fairy tale that you read about.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

And this is to do with the reticular activating system in your brain.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

The what?

SPEAKER_00 9:36

The reticular activating system.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

So basically, whatever you believe to be true, your brain will search for evidence of what supports that and discount evidence that is in contravention to that, unless, of course, you are you are deliberately looking for that evidence, you're deliberately looking to expand or grow your view. So, how that feeds into dating is you will tend to subconsciously select people that will reinforce that world view that you have, and you might think, well, why can't I just change?

SPEAKER_01 10:21

Why can't I just select or attract? Or attract and then select?

SPEAKER_00 10:26

I'm saying both, right? Okay, you will first attract those kind of people and you will then select them, right? Or you could select and then attract, I suppose. Could you go that way around?

SPEAKER_01 10:40

No, I reckon it's attract and then select because you're kind of creating uh a kind of a an attraction for those people that you believe are that version of men.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

And let's face it, terrible dating stories make very funny stories. Um, believe me, I have a whole ton of them, and I love sharing them because they are quite funny. But but um after years of bad dates, and let's say you get into a relationship, um, whether it's for a few weeks, for a few months, for a year, and that person ends up leaving you, and you can't quite work out well exactly what happened there. What I'm saying here is that your belief systems are more integral than you think in a attracting the partner and b sustaining that relationship over a long period of time. So there was a decision at some point to settle because it's better to settle and get out there and meet people, even though you believe that actually there aren't really any good men. So you've made this decision somewhere along the lines, and it probably was a kind of throwaway thing. Um, getting older, but a concession nonetheless. Yes, I'm getting older, I have to settle for what I can get. There aren't any good men anyway. All of my friends' marriages end up in divorce, eh.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

And this is normal.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

This is normal, so I have to just get on with it. Yes, this is normal, I have to just get on with it. Um, and that essentially becomes your experience, and and I I want to come back to the word normalized as well, because all of these negative relationship stories are normalized, so it's normal that there is a high divorce rate, it's normal that couples don't really match very compatibly. It's normal that children destroy your marriage, it's normal that you don't have sex when you've been together 10 years, it's normal that uh you pay 50-50 on dates, and it's normal that the man doesn't make any effort to organise anything at all. They barely get themselves out of the house and put on a pair of bloody tracksuit bottoms to come and meet you.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

Oh yes, the whole dress thing. We talked about that already. That's the kind of the lowest of the low you see these beautifully dressed women out on dates and then their other halves looking like some fucking curry stain on a t-shirt.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

Yeah. And you might think, oh well, Sarah, that's all very well, but what difference does changing what I believe make to the whole equation?

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Makes all the difference.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

Even if it made no difference at all, which FYI I know it does change everything, but even if it doesn't, it doesn't hurt you to try, it can only help you.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

Yes, because it can't make anything worse, can it?

SPEAKER_00 14:04

And it can only be helpful to you to admit to yourself all of the negative belief systems that you are carrying around with you in relation to relationships, because burying them and being like, oh no, it's just to do with the outside world. Yes, there are some really shitty people, I'm not taking that away from you. But you can't change the fact that there are shitty people in the world, but you can change your internal environment so that the likelihood that you're going to come across these kind of people reduces. Or, and I've even seen it happen this way: you are dating someone that miss is Mr. Zero effort, and again, through changing your internal environment, that person seems to transform. They go from Mr. Zero effort to Mr. All Effort, which actually is kind of. I wouldn't say you were ever Mr.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Zero effort, but you were that's a very good fucking save there, my darling.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

You were never Mr. Zero effort, you were Mr. Less Effort than now I did well.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

Yes. I yes, I took you out on dates, I paid for said dates, I scrubbed up pretty well.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

You actually only paid for our first date, you didn't really pay.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

That's because you fucking walked in with your masculine and decided that you had to pay half of everything.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

And I'll tell you actually what my belief system was behind me insisting on paying half everything. It was not because I wanted to be independent, I was independent, but that wasn't the reason why I was doing it. I was doing it because, in my head and my heart, and my belief system, I believed that everything always comes with a cost.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

Yes, that you would owe me in some way.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

That I would owe you in some way.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

We talked about that, didn't we? Yeah, very well.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

And I would never want to owe a man anything. So that's actually why I was doing the things I was doing, which obviously limited your capacity to be able to give to me anyway, because I'm like, no.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Well, you know, this this this you know, your beliefs changed and all that, and then you attracted a side of me that you'd never seen before. So when people say, you know, the law of attraction, the law of attraction, this is kind of what we are talking about.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Believe me, I hate to say that because I hate the words the law of attraction.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Yes, but everyone knows is gonna know. They're in fact also that if you want to give it an advanced name, they're called reflections.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

But no, no, no, no, no. Actually, sorry, I want to stop you there because you're jumping ahead. This I taking it out of any manifestation style language, what I'm talking about, so I'm gonna give you one little tool here, or reiterate this tool, and then give you another tool as well, which is more to do with this reflections concept that Richard is talking about. This is neuroscience, right? Whatever you believe to be true, you will look for evidence that it is true and you will filter out evidence to the contrary, and we all do it. So, and this can be true in any area of life, by the way, whether it's relationships, whether it's career, whatever, fill in the blank.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

And because all of this is a wave of energy, you will then in turn attract the same kind of energy, i.e., what you believe in, what you feel.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

So, what I would suggest you do is try and dig out some of those negative beliefs that you hold around relationships, of which I am sure you have a massive bank of evidence, and start consciously looking for evidence of the contrary. And yes, it will be an effort, but it will start to reprogram how you think around that, and it will start to open up your field of vision, and when you do, you will have opportunities and people that come into your life that you would have been close to before, but now that you're actually consciously looking for evidence of the contrary, you're starting to see them. So I think there's this experiment that is something to do with a sports field where there was, I don't know, this giant yellow thing running around a sports field that only some people saw because they were told to focus on something else. So let's say the audience were told to focus on this giant panda on a sports field. By the way, this is not the example, but it's just to show how your brain works. You're told to focus on this one thing on the sports field, let's say it's a giant panda, and then I don't know, this yellow llama goes running across the sports field. I don't know. But all you are going to see is the giant panda because that is where your focus is, and you're going to filter out things that are not relevant to that giant panda. So it's the same kind of concept here. When you're so focused on a particular thing, a particular object, a particular person, a particular belief system, you will fail to see what else is going on around you.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Focused on it consciously, it's like it's embedded in your subconscious. How do you dig it out then?

SPEAKER_00 19:48

It's the throwaway comments that we tend to make. Yes, the throwaway thoughts that we don't even think is a thing, but it's a much bigger thing than we could ever think. So um someone just kind of off the cuff saying, ugh, there are no good men, or uh men are men are polygamous like assholes. I don't know, whatever it is, but these off-the-cuff things that you think or say big, massive, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

So wow, um, this is because I know about this as well, and I've uh studied all these concepts, and I still find it quite um sometimes for fortunately we've done this together, so we can catch each other out when we do make these concessionary statements. Um but you know what does one person do on on their own? What does a person do on their own to sort of try and catch themselves saying these things?

SPEAKER_00 20:47

So now we'll go on to the reflections part of it. So most people out there would hear and agree with the statement that people treat you the way that you allow yourself to be treated.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

And that's how I used to think about interactions and relationships with people as well. Until I discovered all of the layers underneath that.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

But And there are many.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

There are many, but in a nutshell, the layer underneath that is people treat you the way that you treat yourself. Now, what that means is um by all means feel free to put it into different contexts, it could be work colleagues, it could be family, it could be I don't know, like uh romantic relationships. So if we take the context of someone not treating you very well on a date or Being disrespectful of you. Let's say your predominant feeling about that person is they really don't respect me because they didn't listen to a word I fucking said. For example, somewhere in some area of your life, you are not listening to a word that you are fucking saying. And that could be looking like you know intuitively that you need to take a decision or follow a certain path, and you are ignoring that. You're like, oh no, but it doesn't make any sense to do that. You're not listening to it. It's not the right time, it's not the right time. And let's say let's take the example of um someone not helping you with something or not supporting you in some way.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

Yes, well, I would immediately say, how am I not supporting myself in one of the eight areas of life, which we've talked about before?

SPEAKER_00 23:08

I don't think we have actually.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

We the very beginning. We'll mention them again at some point.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

No, I don't I don't know whether we actually have. We'll do that in a separate episode, but keep there are eight areas of life keeping it very simple for the moment for the way that you believe another person is treating you, you simply direct that question to yourself. Yes, how am I actually treating myself like this in some way? And the more resistant you are, and the more emotionally triggered you are by this, the more likely it probably is to be true because if you're getting emotionally triggered by it, it's because uh it hits on a nerve in some way.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Yes, that trigger is actually telling you something, it's telling you that uh what is being said is actually true, and you need to uh pay attention to that. I mean, I've tested this time and time and time again, and every single time it is true. If there was a time where Sarah was being mean or aggressive to me, instead of I used to turn around and react and we used to have a fight, but uh in the last year or so I would just go, okay, she's being um like this ex to me. Uh how is that making me feel? Okay, I've got a feeling that she's being aggressive towards me, and then I would immediately ask that question to myself how am I if I am feeling that she's being aggressive, how am I being aggressive towards myself? And I would think about that and sit with it, and then it would pop up. I'm being aggressive myself because I'm uh aggressively criticizing for something that I did that day or that last week, and I would work on that to try and kind of balance it out, and then the behavior from Sarah would stop every fucking time. Don't take my word for it, don't take our word for it. Go out and and think about these things so it could be at work if your boss is being a dick or being uh bullying you, then you might want to ask yourself, how am I bullying myself? Or if someone is being critical towards you, how are you criticizing yourself? Just always reflect that back into yourself and think about it. Because from what I've seen and my observations, the people who work on these things have managed to iron out, and the people who were being critical to them or whatever are no longer doing that.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

Um FYI, Richard, you might want to work on the reflection of why I always interrupt you.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

I have been, I have been.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Yeah, clear, clearly, there's more to go there.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Um no, it's because I'm interrupting myself and I know exactly which area of life it is. It's financial. I keep on interrupting myself.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

We've come up with a new plan to address that reflection. We have we will not go into today.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

No, no, just definitely that.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

So just to address this concept, however you feel that person is being towards you, you in some way are doing that thing to yourself in one or more areas of your life, and we will probably do a separate podcast on that.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

But just run through the eight areas very quickly, just so people have that in this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

So the eight areas are family, social, financial, spirituality, mental, physical, passion hobby, passion hobby being one thing and vocation or career.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

So it's basically divided up, uh life is divided up into eight sections, and um I think that's call it a day, just to leave the listeners with the eight areas and maybe talk about this in more in-depth some other time.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

But but for the purposes of keeping it simple, just number one creating a statement of how you feel that person is being, and number two, asking yourself, how am I being that way to myself will already start to make you feel better because you're like, oh, I'm really beating myself up about X. Actually, let's start to big myself up. So let's say you've been on a weight loss journey, and that's actually the reflection, like you feel like you've not achieved the goals that you've set, and maybe your boss was like, You haven't uh fulfilled on this project you were gonna do, and you take that as, oh, I feel like they're saying I am not meeting a goal, and then you realise you've been being really hard on yourself because you meant to lose five kilograms or ten pounds, and you've only lost, I don't know, three kilograms, and you've been giving yourself a hard time for that. Well, again, if you start to shift your perception to wow, I've lost three kilograms, I've done really good, I've learned X, Y, and Z, my clothes fit better. I now I'm gonna come up with a plan to lose the final two kilos.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

Also, additional, if you maybe then stop actually being critical of yourself, you'd probably lose the remaining two kilos quicker than you could ever imagine.

SPEAKER_00 29:11

Yes. So the idea is not to necessarily change the other person or the situation, the idea is to start to emotionally rebalance how you feel about whatever it is.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

Now, I always say to everyone, don't take my word for it, try it for yourself with small things and see what happens. So if we come back to a dating context, and you realize after you've listened to this, that every single person you've been on a date with recently, you feel like they don't listen to you or they don't respect you. And then you you're like, okay, cool, let's just listen to this mad girl, mad woman talking about this. I've realized that I don't respect myself because I don't put down boundaries with people, and I say yes when I should mean no, should say no. I've realized that I do that, and I do that because I want a people please. So I'm gonna not gonna beat myself up for that. I'm just gonna start saying no more. Also, another another one that And sorry, just to add, then and I'm taking that as an example. Let's just say you start to lay down little boundaries a bit more. I then want you to observe the next time you go on date or dates, or maybe you're dating someone longer term that you feel doesn't respect you. I want you to observe if you still feel that that person doesn't respect you.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

Do the work. This is very interesting, and it it's it's every time it's correct. So another thing one could add to that is the person that you're dating is not uh making any kind of comment on how good you look or how sexy you look. Because more often than not, women make a lot more effort than men to to look glamorous and beautiful and sexy. Um you might want to look at how sexy you feel personally when you look in the mirror, and instead of saying, Oh, I don't like my legs or my ankles or this or that, actually to look at yourself and realise how beautiful and sexy you actually are, and then you will see the comments flood in. I've seen it happen, don't take my word for it.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

That is a really big ask for a lot of women because women are basically trained to hate themselves and their body and their aging from like the year dot.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Well, yes, well, it's time to change that.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

No, so that's actually too big of a leap for a lot of women. Like an easy way to think about it. If if you're really in a place where you're like, I just can't get on board with being sexy and gorgeous, just start with the features that you do like about yourself and don't tell me there isn't anything, there will always be something that you like about yourself and focus on that. And the more that you focus on that, the better you feel, and the more it opens up to the getting to the place where you start to see yourself as attractive, sexy, gorgeous, whatever word that you want to use. Again, coming back to what you focus on is important. You can focus on the 80 parts of your body that you don't like, or there are even 80 parts of the body, I don't even know.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

But come up with 80.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

I don't know. Okay, you can either focus on the 80 parts of the body that you don't like, or you can focus on the two to three things that you love, and there will always be something, and that will start to slowly open the gates to you getting to the place where you feel sexy.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Sorry, ladies, I went maybe I was jumping the gun and launching into something which is realise was as difficult as there's so much like uh beauty programming out there, it's insane. I mean well, maybe you start by showing unconditional love towards yourself as well.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Yes, and that starts by focusing on what you do like. Um because literally, whatever body shape you are, you could suddenly be out of fashion. I mean, I don't know how many years ago now it was like the strong muscular body, and now it's like super skinny is back in again. Like, and I don't know, in four four years from now, maybe it will be like some other really random body shape that suddenly everyone's out of fashion again. You know, it's it's just never ending.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

Yes, it is never ending. Um, I don't even can't even begin to imagine what that feels like because I am a man. You are I see every other year it's this and that, and then it's size plus, and that's size zero, and I'm confused by it all myself to be honest. So but start showing yourself some unconditional love, and like Sarah said, you know, look at the stuff that you do like about yourself. It's always like we always look at the stuff that we don't like, but we never really tend to focus on the stuff that we do like, and yes, and I also want to distinguish this from toxic positivity.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

No one is saying you should like only be positive all the time. You feel what you feel, so feel the emotions and then refocus and shift your attention.

SPEAKER_01 35:11

Yeah. Yes. I thought that was another uh rather a nice podcast. Yes. If there's anything you did not quite understand from everything that was said today, please use the wonderful email. I know I mention this every week. Please use the wonderful email.

SPEAKER_00 35:31

Also, another thing that we are going to be doing are live QA webinars where we actually sit down and answer some of your relationship-based questions. So if you think that is a great idea and you'd like to take part, please do feel free to use the email that I provided six months ago. Yeah.

unknown 35:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

We're working on a more streamlined system at the moment, given uh, well, if you listen to last week's uh sorry, episode about my sabbatical, my uh intuition was like, nope, you have a sabbatical, so you can create all this other stuff now. So I will not say any more because I don't want to let air out of the balloon. But um, for the moment, if you like the idea of the live QA, please let us know.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

And on that note, we shall catch you on the next one.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

Catch you on the next one. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 36:39

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