Ep15. Hertility, hybrid huns & the 'manosphere'

In this episode, Laura and Sarah delve into topics ranging from the ongoing discourse around women's menstrual health, the rise of hybrid athletes, to fitness industry trends and social media influences. They explore how education, technology, and societal shifts are shaping modern health and fitness habits — all with their trademark humor, honesty, and evidence-based insights.

Chapters:

• (00:00) Introduction & the latest obsessions: collagen donuts & fitness vibes
• (02:00) Current thoughts on the "Manosphere" documentaries and media critiques
• (04:20) Personal updates: new job, coaching, and lessons from shin splints
• (07:30) Reflecting on stress, burnout, and the importance of recovery strategies
• (10:05) Celebrating PMS improvements and hormonal health milestones
• (14:20) The significance of cycle tracking and education gaps in youth
• (18:00) The rise of health tech: smartwatches, aura rings, and AI insights
• (20:45) Knowledge gaps in menstrual health education and social media’s role
• (24:00) Planning for big events: marathon, ultra, and race day nutrition
• (27:00) The overload of health information and social media’s impact
• (31:15) Debunking myths: collagen, cortisol, and supplement marketing
• (33:20) The importance of context, moderation, and individual nuance in health decisions
• (36:00) The evolution of hybrid training: from triathlons to CrossFit & HIIT
• (40:00) Structuring training: priorities, periodisation, and recovery
• (45:00) Managing allostatic load and avoiding overtraining pitfalls
• (50:00) Embracing the hybrid athlete lifestyle and breaking down social barriers
• (55:00) The value of consistency, longevity, and sustainable habits in fitness
• (56:30) Fun anecdotes: cinnamon buns, social shopping, and the "shoed" high rocks
• (60:00) Upcoming challenges: marathon in the night and race prep realities
• (63:00) Social media rants: adults on scooters, fast shipping, and attitude towards convenience
• (68:00) Closing remarks: gratitude, future episodes, and the importance of community

Resources & Links:

• Hertility - Women's Health Data Reports (building awareness on menstrual health)
• The Anti-Burnout Book (recommended read for stress management)
• Danny at Live Well Clinic (personalized injury and rehab support)

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:03

Hello, and welcome back to Fit for What, a no-nonsen podcast with evidence-based take on health, fitness, and wellness, with humour, honesty, and some practical advice to help you be fit for whatever life throws at you. My name is Laura, also known as Biceps. I'm a personal trainer, best-selling author, presenter at this stage, a pretty exhausted marathon runner, and I'm on my last nerve because I've just seen that Crosstown Donuts have launched a collagen uh infused donut. So I've absolutely had it.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Absolutely had it. She's had it already. Hello, everybody. My name is Sarah. I am a PT, a women's health expert, and I am in a really, really, really good mood today. I think this is the sun, isn't it? But I am just in a fantastic mood.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

So that's my fabulous. Everyone I have interacted with, well, not everyone. Most people that I have interacted with today are like 10 out of 10 vibes.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Oh, it's the sun. It just Oh, it's just I I felt like what is it if that film is it Enchanted? When she's like, oh that was me. That was me then. I haven't seen any films.

SPEAKER_02 1:14

You know, you've never seen Enchanted. I don't know what it is, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

Oh, it's lovely. Is it like Frozen? Uh it's like, oh god, I've not I've not actually seen it for ages. It's like an adult, adult, f adult take on Cinderella, I guess. Well, not even adult, it's definitely a child's film, but it's beautiful. But yeah, I don't think it's about you. I don't think it's it's not gonna be competing with the Kardashians for your for your eyes.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

I will immediately forget that. Now, it would be remiss of us to acknowledge the majority of the conversation around films or documentaries, blah blah blah. I even spoke about it with someone today, is the flipping manosphere. So I have I have Have you seen it yet? No, and I don't think I want to.

unknown 1:58

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

To be honest with you. Yeah, I don't know. I just don't I I I think I I feel like people would expect that I would watch it and I'd get really into it and then get really angry, and I just don't want to be angry. I I think I know enough, I know enough about what I think it's gonna be like. I'm like, okay, yeah, fuck you guys.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

It was it was Do you know? I'm glad I've seen it. I like I've I'm always gonna watch a Louis Threw documentary, I love him, but I watched it and it was uncomfortable to watch because there's so many vile characters on that. But then I've heard some cor commentary since, and I do agree, I don't think it was hard hitting enough, like it was quite surface level. I saw that, I saw that. And the questions the questions weren't, he wasn't pressing them, he wasn't yeah, it just felt a little bit soft, like these people need to be held to account, and I don't think they were in that in that documentary. Um, and was he maybe the right person to do it? Possibly not. Maybe there was a lack of respect from their end towards him as well. So it was that it was really uncomfortable viewing, and it was important, I think definitely, but was it heavy and heart-hitting enough? Probably not, was my kind of thoughts on it on reflection. But it it was it's worth a watch. It is worth a watch in my opinion. But yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:17

I don't know. I just think I'm not going to. Where I'm at at the moment, it with I'm like like two like strikes away from joining the nearest convent. I just think it will it will not do my you know endeavours with the with the the the male species any favours. I understand this. Um I just yeah, I just don't just don't think I just think I know enough. I know enough, I've seen enough, I don't want to have anything to do with that. I really respect the fact that this conversation is coming up and people are talking about it. And again, I'm always a bit like torn of like I feel like as my duty and sort of the things that I do to have this discourse around women and empowering women and women's rights, but I just uh it's been I've had a week enough already, maybe another time.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Yeah, I don't think watching that documentary is gonna it is it's no impact. I you you you are well uh well enough kind of educated on what is going on in the world. You don't need to see that documentary to know that it's um it's very evident everywhere else, sadly. But yes.

SPEAKER_02 4:23

One thing I have done this week, which I'm just gonna immediately fess up to. I feel like I need to say it out loud. And a girl that I was sparring with at Jiu Jitsu, she said to me this morning, she was like, I've just downloaded Hinge. I was like, No, you haven't. And she was like, What do you mean? I was like, No, I just have as well. And I spoke about Hinge with another girl on Friday night. I feel like there's something in the air at the moment that people, the sun is out, the sun is out, the manosphere is doing its thing, and girlies are out there going, okay, one last chance. What can you show me? Yeah, yeah, show me your worst or your best. It's really the worst, I must say. It's cold out there on them streets. Yeah, yeah, I'm not what I do.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

And it's not, it's not, it's not looking good, breath. It's not there's not a lot on offer, is I'm afraid.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

I think if I were if I was in the fishing industry and I wanted to look at nice men holding uh carp coi, it's the place for me. Understood that. Why? Like, why they're delighted with themselves. They are fucking delighted. It's like me holding my cinnamon bun. That is the level of delight for them fishing.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

It's the one-knee stance as well, and it's the because it's heavy, it's a big fish. Look, I've got a big boy. I couldn't think of something less appealing to you. Like, I can't think of anything. Yeah, no, that's not nice. That's not nice. And the wellies tell me the wellies as well.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

Yeah, there's there's wellies, it's raining, it's all going on, there's a there's a lot of changes. But do you know what? Is it is it aligned with I've seen a lot of in my 24 hours on on hinge, I've seen a lot of high rocks photos.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

We can get some we'll get some updated ones here in a couple of weeks' time.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Oh my god, yes, that is why I'm doing high rocks to get a pit, to get a some sort of yeah, some sort of mag magnet. So I can be a hinge magnet on the sled. Look, lads, I could crush you. No, we just don't want to do it. We just I don't know what is happening on hinge, but it's probably gonna be short-lived if I'm honest. But if obviously, you know, if this the secret, um, the secret podcast that no one no one will ever know if I talk about it on here, so yeah, it'll it'll be fine. But yeah, what's good what's going on with you this week then?

SPEAKER_00 6:43

What's been going on? I f I feel like this week went very quickly. Mm-hmm. I had no, I had a bit of a breakthrough because I've keep I I'm it's boring as hell, but these shin splints are a recurring thing to me. Oh, she's not talking about shin splints again. Bloody hell. Really good bout of running, and I'm like, what's the shin splint? And then it just hits me, and I'm like, okay, so I went to my officer who I love, shout out Danny at the Live Well Clinic, obsessed with him, he's fantastic. And I was like, look, I was actually to be honest with you, if I'm fully honest, I was really disappointed I got in there and he made me do some work. Like he didn't just let me lay down and he didn't just rub my calves and shins, which was really upsetting. But once I got over that in this initial kind of heartbreak, we actually did some very interesting testing, and the muscular imbalances are quite significant. So it was I bless him, I was with him for about an hour and 40 minutes. I was exhausted by the end, but we got some good findings. I feel like it was a really good like breakthrough in terms of me because I feel like now I've got my new coach out at Harrison. I had a really good session with Danny. I've got the kind of the two of them helping me to get some like really clear, personalised, structured training in place, which feels really good. I think it's the first time I felt really like tailored for, and obviously, I do it in I do it for work myself, so I know how nice that can feel for a client now, but it's really nice that I feel like I've actually got the care and expertise around me to help me actually progress. So that's a really, really big win, positive win. And I got a new job. Oh yes.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

Did you tell them about your shin splints and they still gave you the job?

SPEAKER_00 8:18

When I met for the first thing in the interview, it's like hi, and I was like, hi, my name's Sarah Shin Splints. No, it was I've so yeah, so I've got a new role at a lovely gym in um Clapham, Clappham North, Clapham North, Train Yards, um, and very kind of kind of ad hoc to begin with. I've noticed that I've really missed teaching group exercise classes and coaching, strength and conditioning, um, which is something I had to kind of step back from when I was full-time PTing. And yeah, I think the time away last week made me realise kind of what am I missing, what am I loving, what am I missing, what kind of gaps do I want to plug? And I was, I'd really just like to do a couple of hours a week of coaching in a group environment. Went for an interview, went for a little coffee, did some um programming um and sent that over, and yeah, I'm clear, I'm starting, which is really exciting. Light work, baby. But no, I'm really excited. I think it would just be really nice. Jazz who owns it is really, really cool. Um, and the coaches there seem really, really cool as well. So no, I'm excited. So a busy week, but like I feel like I'm yeah, I'm I'm buzzing. I'm I'm having a good week. Two days of PMS. Two days of PMS, which actually wasn't great. Laura saw me on Thursday and I said I was fine. Was I? Yeah, you're fine. I was aware I was being I felt like a bit of a wet flannel. And the cinnamon bum really, really helped me, I'm not gonna lie. Um, and then yesterday was a bit of a no-go zone, but to be honest with you, for me that is such a win because it used to wipe out like half of my cycle. Like two days versus two weeks, I'll take it. Um, and it was nowhere near as bad as I've experienced before. My skin, my if I don't say so myself, is looking really good, which I used to really struggle with PMS acne as well.

SPEAKER_02 10:00

Yeah, so for those of you that are listening, this is an audio podcast. I can confirm. I can confirm that Sarah's claims of better, improved skin and glow are indeed correct. So, congratulations to you.

SPEAKER_00 10:13

Thank you so much. So, yeah, I just feel like I've actually had a really lovely week and pausy vibes all around, really. And the sun today, do you know I saw a meme on Instagram this weekend that I could not relate to it more. The thing about the sun being outside is I mean I can put my washing outside. Do you know how much joy that brings me? I can dry my washing outside. And I'm just literally, I was like, George, put the sheets in the washing machine, they're going outside, so 13 degrees, I don't care how hot it is, they're going outside in the sun. And I'm so delighted with myself. So, yeah, win all round, really. That's such a big win putting your sheets outside.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

I wow, it's like the pinnacle of the wing.

SPEAKER_00 10:53

I think when you live in a one-bed flat, you're like, I just want as much space as possible. And I hate having washing, drying out all the time, like it drives me insane. And the idea that it's just gone out to say it's probably got frostbite now, but it's coming back in and hopefully it'll be dry, and then I'd have to put it downstairs and look at it whilst I watch my teddy. So I'm buzzing.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

I'm in the cocktail. I'm in I'm in the flat, so I if I put my sheets outside, it would be a bit strange. I'd be like, Oh, there's Widow Twanky down there. Do you know who Widow Twanky is? No, you probably don't, but you do.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

Niche reference.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

I always say Widow Twanky. Also say shout-out to Caroline Bragg PT or Third Space Um and my friend Emily, um who is an ex um ex elite weightlifter. She always try to tell me ex, remember, I'm like, you're an elite athlete, she's like ex. But they are being on their running game and they've been listening to the podcast as they've been running, and they specifically like the reference to being early, being at the crack of sparrow fart. So we can say that, and then we can say, if you're doing your washing, you are widowed Dame Widow Twanky. Well, that's good then. I'm glad because yeah, to two two days of being like a wet flannel or a bit grumpy is really good. And I feel like if we probably, you know, the last this is episode 15 now, can you believe it? We've talked so much about so many different things over the series, and so much is probably just down to stress. And I said to Sarah before we started recording, I definitely said to Sarah, she doesn't remember it, but I remember I did. I was like, I really have to acknowledge that in February I was I was chaotic because things were happening really fast, and so much happens to us physiologically when we are under consistent stress. Yeah, and I've just been listening to this. Um I've just like even just the fact that I've decided to start listening to a book, it's an audiobook, but I've haven't listened, I haven't have read one book this year, and that just tells me everything I need to know that like I'm ready to receive information again, yeah, rather than just be in the do. Anyway, ironically, it's on, it's called the anti-burnout um book, but it is just so important to listen to it and like oh you know, we talk about this quite a lot, but there is training stress, there is physical stress, but there's also the mental stress and the mental load that we've had, and you know, you've were going on holiday and then you weren't, and you switch like switching jobs, you might get a new job. Like, there's just so much, and I just think, yeah, I always think for anyone and everyone listening that's just taking the time to listen to a podcast, trying to get some time for them, just always try and just give yourself some grace. Don't compare to the other person, certainly don't compare to us um uh because we're mental. Um, but but it's like you know, the the the yeah, the underlying impact of stress on our cycles, on all of the other things is is is huge. And yeah, I guess, you know, for me this week, yes, I've done loads of stuff. I've been to I've done some gi, no gi, jujitsu, I've done my interval, like hard intervals. Um, I did some maybe a bit of high rox training uh today, but I also went to a yin yoga, I went to a sound bath, I've been in the sauna four times this week. I've actually done a little bit of cold exposure going into like doing some contrast training with ice bar because my calf is just a little bit like so tough. And in jujitsu, I'm on my toes all the time. And I'm getting chopped up left, right, and centre. So my calves absolutely take a hammering. Um, but anyway, it's just it's nice to be able to have an opportunity for us to say, do you know what? Maybe we had a bit of headspace, and you needed the headspace to do your, you know, even pursue a new job, role, you know, and a new place and confidently go after it. So yeah, just always a reminder to ourselves that if we do feel like we're stuck in the go and maybe there's not so many things that we can change if you've got life responsibilities, but like at what point does the your body stop for you? Is 100% it's just what we've both experienced. So that's what the anti-burnout um book is about. But yes, what a week. Hinge, well, yeah, it's all happening. But I've got 30k to run tomorrow, which is mad just to say, just to throw it out there. Tomorrow's got to run 30k. But I I will, I will. I'm deep in the lutil phase of death, but you know, you will you'll get it done, you will get it done.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

And you said rightly, so just break it down into 5ks, break it down, just six, just six five K's. You'll be fine.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

That's all it is, just five K, and then just do it five more times.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

Exactly. And you'll have some company for it, hopefully. So you will get it done. I know you will. You'll be absolutely fine. She'll just rock up, she'll be like, yeah, just done that. Yep, yeah, no worries. Back to my MS cleaning products, and and she'll be chuffed. What a day. But yes, but yeah, let's get on to our first topic of discussion for today, then. So linking back to the idea of kind of PMS and cycles, as we know I love talking about. Um, there was a report um dropped by Hertility this week, which is actually they are a online, how would I um define hertility? Let me grab that up actually. They basically are an online um clinical space where you go for kind of frontline care for any kind of women's health issues. Uh, female founded, super, super cool. Um, I think they've been around for about three, four years now, but they're building momentum um and they are definitely worth checking out. But anyway, they basically every year drop a report of kind of summarising latest data in the field, and they have quite a big, chunky um group of people that they ask. I think in this case it was kind of well into the thousands of women that they asked for their data. But yeah, basically the findings were really, really interesting, and it's definitely worth a read generally if you've got any interest in women's health generally. But what I found the most interesting was the fact that this idea of kind of we're talking about women's health more, we're talking about the menstrual cycle more, but actually, is there a widening knowledge gap that is now being created around menstrual health? Um, we talk about it all the time, I talk about it all the time on Instagram, it might be my algorithm, but there's this idea now that women are actually consistently less informed. And some of the stats were quite shocking. So among those under 25 who were menstruating, one in three didn't know the length of the cycle, and one in ten of women of all ages didn't know how long their period lasted. So there were some really interesting findings there, but that was quite shocking to me that, like, in my world, everyone knows what's going on in that cycle, everyone knows what's going on with kind of their hormones and how they're feeling, but actually it doesn't seem to be the case, and it seems that actually young girls aren't actually feeling very educated. So, yeah, it was quite shocking for me because and again, I think I'm in a bubble of women's health because it's what I pursue for kind of day-to-day that is my job. Um, but it was quite concerning for me, and I'm aware that obviously that's the that's the kind of population of people that are spending so much time online, it's like, well, why aren't they learning more? Why aren't they seeing more? Um, but yeah, I it kind of what's what's your thought on that, Laura? What are you thinking?

SPEAKER_02 18:04

Yeah, so I um so my personal experience is that like you, I almost expect that everyone would track their cycle. Yeah. Because of the the importance of it, you know, all the different things that you feel as you go through, especially in the gym. And I still have friends, you know, I'm just in early 40s now, I still have friends that are like, oh, I didn't feel as good in XYZ. And I'm like, Do you track your cycle? Oh, there are thereabouts, and I'm like, but like, yeah, like not as many people, even in my even in my life who are attached to me, yeah, don't track. And and apparently, um, only half of about approximately half of women track their cycle, which is just bonk, it's just absolutely bonkers to me. And even yeah, like, you know, not that I have recently been in the position where I'm like trying to conceive, but like that is so important of women of all ages, and you know, obviously going through egg freezing, being able to track your cycle is such a big part. It like even like your blood tests that you keep saying you're gonna do on health, like there's there like you need to have it at certain parts of your cycle, exactly, and yeah, I just yeah, I think it's I think it's sad that yeah, it feels like people are talking about it, but actually the basics of just track it. Um, but we are also seeing the rise of things like um smartwatches, aura rings, and I do think that the advice that they're like the AI behind it is actually really good. And I've seen it on like Instagram and people like screenshotting that their results. So I do I do think that yeah, the the information and the support is actually out there. I just think people aren't prioritising it until there's a direct need.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

Exactly, and I think that's what they're finding as well, is like people aren't really getting to this point until they are trying to conceive, but even when they're getting there, they don't even know what their fertile window is. They wouldn't know to actually and it and I think that's quite shocking to me. But again, I think it's because we we are both operate in a health and fitness kind of window where people are upskilling. But I yeah, the fact that I think the the stat from this report in particular said that 20% of women who are menstruating don't know how long their cycles are, like people just don't that there's there's a bubble of people who have these the access to this tech that you're talking about, which I totally agree with. But I think people, even with that tech, and obviously the AI knowledge with that is useful, but still some of that terminology isn't accessible for a lot of people. Some people don't understand what different windows and different time frames actually mean to them. Um, and it's it all feels to me, and I think obviously I'm in a very privileged position where I've been able to learn a lot more about it myself, but and I know it sometimes makes Laura feel uncomfortable when I talk about things like cervical fluid, but that is such a key indicator of what is going on in terms of your menstrual health, and women just don't know. I remember I was talking to very candidly talking to a client about the other day, and I remember I'd come off the pill after being on it for nine, ten years, and I can remember it so clearly. We were at the theatre, and I was like, oh my god, I've wet myself. I literally thought I'd wet myself, went to the toilet and it was cervical fluid, which actually now I know suggests that I was in my ovulation period. I was off a file that's probably ovulating. Yeah, fertile quality mucus, but I had no idea what that was, and I think that brings me on to the point that I think there is still such a huge gap in what they're teaching in schools. There it just isn't any education. Sex ed for me was like put a condom on a banana, you're gonna bleed for a few days, these are some pads, these are tampons, choose your favourite one which has got the most chemicals in, and crack on. Like there, there's no, and obviously, I've not been in school for 13, 14 years now, but I don't really think that that there's been any progression in. Terms of um menstrual and sexual health in schools by the sounds of the fact that young kids and young girls still don't understand kind of cycle tracking it it worries me and I think it's I hope I hope that as this game we're gaining more and more momentum online someone will pick this up and and build this out into into curriculum but yeah it really shocked me actually it really shocked me and I I work with some younger clients as well and I'm trying to very gently introduce the idea of kind of cycle tracking now I'm like okay you were being a bit of a bit of a cow to your mum last week could it be because maybe you're expecting could your period be arriving soon it was like oh yeah so it's nice to start introducing these light bulb moments in quite organic ways but obviously these girls in a very privileged point position where they're able to have a women's health trainer working with them I definitely didn't have that when I was of of that age group so obviously that's a very small percentage of girls that I'm working with at the moment but yeah I think there's clearly not a lot of it on TikTok like I mean I'm not on TikTok so I can't speak for myself but it's clearly not getting into the algorithms in the way that I think it is yeah I feel like if I really think about where the sources of information obviously it's quite like LinkedIn vibes it's quite professional but also it's like I don't know you know it's I think it's the the conversation is really around sort of older empowered women I have no I like I have no idea what you know a 20 year old is talking about to be honest um but yeah I I I think it's just one of those things where it's such a shame because as women we're sort of almost we're conditioned to think everything's like our fault like I feel like this and it's my fault and I think also like a lot of where you are on your cycle will determine the decisions that you make every day based on where your head is on trips based on where your head is at like even like we've got uh Sarah and I uh we've got Hyrocks London that we're gonna do in 10 days 11 days I I'm definitely looking on my app at like where am I gonna be but that's me and that's me and you and we will silently make decisions or choices or or or whatever but the same for the marathon I'm like right okay and I saw um a friend of mine who owns the business Nixie Body she started uh sort of like um it's underwear for like athletic underwear for women she started it because she had a similar experience and she did a post saying if you are currently menstruating it was like last week it was like if you're currently menstruating and you're running the London marathon likelihood is you're gonna be menstruating on the London on the day of the London marathon like order your pants now I thought it was really clever.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

That's very clever. I just thought yeah and I think psychologically it's really important to in advance get your head around that and go right what can I do to either prepare support myself when you're running you know for something like that when you're running for a long period of time but also and I'm a I've always been it sort of aligns with my my tough love vibes I don't think we should be afraid of doing anything what wherever we are on our cycle like that like there is also evidence to suggest that you know world records have been broken with women menstruating or or in the lutil phase or whatever. So I always just am really cautious that yes it's great that we know where we are in our cycle and yes it is really valid if you feel a certain way or if you feel weaker or whatever. I can't take that away from you but what can also tell you is that it's not impossible to perform physically yeah I agree and that's the thing and that's I guess on the internet that's where context is really important and it you know there was a time in fitness social media that everyone was like really owning they're like well it depends and then it got a bit corny but it really does it does like it's like the is the context in the room with us. If it's not we we can't say definitively that's why I hate anyone that took not hate I dislike or I am worried about people that talk in black and white totally because who says because I've all you know so how can we stack confidence that we can have that big meeting when we're menstruating we can go out for dinner and wear that amazing dress and not feel worried that you know either going to leak or you know your ovaries are going to be showing it's our organs like what can we do? Um so yeah I think yeah it's becoming less of a taboo do I think the education is growing maybe um but I do think there's more and more as we're sort of in an app based social world and the aura rings of of this world is definitely starting to tap into that.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

Yeah. Do you think there's and this is something that I was really thinking about do we think there's too much information out there and do you think that's maybe actually having a detrimental because I I'm very aware that you know I think even when we've spoken about it a couple episodes about about kind of what you're saying there basically kind of training to your cycle and there was a total and again it could be based on my algorithm obviously I'm I'm only seeing what I see on social media but there's so much out there and some of it is fantastic stuff and some of it is a load of whole shit and it's like actually that that kind of sifting through information from any age's brain is exhausting. Maybe there's an element of like information fatigue out there. I think I'm definitely guilty of it where I'm like oh my god like how do I now I've in terms of my studies I've learnt so much I'm trying to think now in terms of when I'm starting to kind of prepare a series of content for for socials like how do I deliver this in a digestible and clear way that isn't gonna add fuel to this kind of over over kind of discussed topic it's a re it's it's a yeah I think there's an element of that to it as well potentially yeah and I think what does social media reward hooks baity information you know like we've talked about Stephen Bartlett podcast that I used to really like when it was actually good information.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

Now it's like just it's built for engagement and someone uh this week someone said it's not social media anymore it's interest media I think it was actually Gary V. Um and yeah he he was like this is you know remember back in the day where you were actually following your friends and what they were doing now like you keep referring to like my algorithm is saying this it's just feeding you this app social media is just feeding you more and more information like I just my algorithm is like you know nails and Adidas Evo SLs or and I'm Pomeranians because I keep going mum can I have a shall I get a dog please but it's not but that's like my interest it's not my friend it's so I think social media is now yeah it's based around interests and I think what I have noticed and like I I'm never the first to go out and say something in a meeting in a room in any circumstance which may surprise people but I will never be the first to contribute. I'm very much a like quiet observer I see what is going on what people are saying and it takes a bit of time to like find what is my position in this because I don't want to speak first and speak too soon. So an example of this could be is let's say a current example someone asked me the other day what is my honest opinion on collagen and I was like because I I take collagen peptides in my coffee that is my choice um blah blah blah collagen it feels like it's huge. I even it's in that flipping cross town donut and I think that's why it frustrated me because it's things like that that it's almost like democratising something like collagen and it's almost sold as like this wonder thing that's gonna support your hair skin and nails and yes there are different you know the reality is there's different types of collagen and the average consumer will not be able to differentiate the different types you know whether it's bovine you know peptides there's it's all a bit different and will it make a huge impact I would say unlikely the studies are showing early studies are showing that it could have some impact but we're really talking small impact and I think what social media does is so I'm not I I'm not saying yes or no to collagen. I'm saying I take it if you want to go ahead but don't expect it to change your world because the evidence is really it's minimal if you're gonna go for a supplement go vitamin D go creatine go whey protein you know your omegas go for the stuff that's really well studied and that is you know it it is is known is known to to support you things like this it's been taken in like this tidal wave of of like people can just feel like they can grab it and the unqualified and unexperienced can say hey I'm taking collagen for my blah blah blah there's probably a commercial deal they've got reach and that's when it cascades then everyone goes should I be taking collagen because everyone's talking about it and that's kind of how it works and then there's me and you going you know if we were to do a post imagine what I just said as a post should you be taking collagen well I do but you can if you want it's not gonna do much um but if it makes you feel happy you know I'm for I'm nearly 41 so if anything that has a tiny you know possibility that will help my joints I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna do it. And I think that is the challenge with where we're at today. Exactly is that something becomes exactly it becomes a key I've even seen this week there's been some people talking or being uh sort of responding to the whole Instagram world of like this don't have your coffee in the morning your cortisol spikes. Again it's like it depends because yes there could be a cer a scenario where if you are already highly in a highly stressed situation yes we want cortisol to rise in the morning if your cortisol does not rise in the morning you know it's you have Addison's disease and that's a that's tough and you can't get up bed and that's an issue. So we want cortisol to rise in the morning but everyone thinks cortisol's bad because of this conversation that is mainly driven by unqualified inexperienced people. So they're saying don't have your coffee if I didn't have a coffee this morning within the first hour I can tell you yeah someone would have got it so and then that's the where it depends it's like okay I feel okay I'm gonna have a coffee it works for me if you don't want to have a coffee in the morning and you want to do a sun salutation you know I'm really happy I'm I'm delighted for you. So I guess exactly yeah I think I think we just we need to have the the personal I've always thought it's not the internet's fault people talk shit all the time whether it's in real life or on the internet we need to take responsibility it's like you know back in the day on Instagram we'd be like oh my god that person's done this exercise that's really a bad exercise it's like okay unfollow it yeah exactly exactly and I think if you don't like what someone's saying unfollow it I like we say the challenge is when they come across as a credible source of information and you take that as gospel I just think be diligent what who is from the message that that person is giving who commercially gains from that it's so true. It's so true are they selling a collagen? Okay really ask yourself or is it someone with nothing to gain but they just want to spread good information and I'm gonna give you this little piece of information if you want to hear more you could ring me up and I'll be a coach or whatever that is. So I just think we need to be we need to take adult responsibility for decisions that we make you know listen if you take collagen every day it's whatever nothing's gonna happen you'll piss it out and that's life but if you're hoping that it's gonna hold your joints tight you know it's it's not so I think I think I think that I think that is the challenge with social media there's always a something that comes so much noise exactly is that because easy to jump on.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Yeah and I think that's probably the thing like maybe that's why the younger people aren't have this kind of idea of like a widening knowledge gap is like it's not and I hate the word I don't think I've ever talked about this I hate the word sexy so much by the way but it's like sexy no don't honestly like it like sets me off. I can't but that's what it like mental mental health on a as a as kind of possible content for young people isn't attractive.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

So that's maybe why that gap is widening because our brains are being filled with so much more appealing information that that it's just being forced down to the bottom of the pile and I think yeah this this information is obviously in context in terms of social media setting yeah I was just really interested by that and I hope that things do change in terms of educating younger people around menstrual health but it's yeah I mean that's why I do what I do that's what the plan is for me but it's yeah it did shock me actually that there is still such a gap um yeah and I think her tides I say summarised it really lovely lovely no that is not a phrase lovely they really summarised it really lovely they'll love the fact that I've said that um but they summarise it really well like it it isn't just doom and gloom in terms of mental health and I think even the conversations we have here there's so many podcasts and so much good information out there like progress is definitely being made and we're seeing it ourselves women are challeng challenging the system and asking questions and engaging with their health but the gaps do still remain and they summarise it with literally saying this isn't just a public health problem it's a reflection of whose health has been historically ignored which yeah it's true that's we'll get there girls we'll get there girlies don't you worry the girlies don't you worry we're making progress but I will share that report actually because um I'm not gonna lie I read that from my bed this morning but it it's fascinating so defo take a look defo take a look but what is topic two of the day madam yeah well I think what one of the things that I've I've definitely seen evolve and we know we've talked about it this sort of as we're sort of talking about like key buzzwords in the industry the rise of the hybrid athlete um has has been huge and if in my in the most basic sense many people are hybrid athletes you know people that just like to get amongst a few things and I think people can and and rightly so if if they want to if they want to focus that on as as a personal or athletic pursuit to be a hybrid athlete um fantastic that that is that is wonderful and I think now people that do a do a bit here and there has now been given a prof a professional a professional name but I think definition no but do you know what I mean it's like oh and everyone's now like so for Jiu Jitsi this morning right um the coach she was like we were talking someone was talking about we talk about high rocks she was like oh my god are you gonna are you doing high rocks and I was like yeah she's like oh my god that's so hybrid I couldn't ever imagine doing that and you know because she is elite at her sport obviously the reason why she could probably yeah she could probably wipe the floor with me in in mo in in most things and and and this is and this is the wonder I think of fitness is that we forget how transferable so many of the different qualities that we have so what I really like at the moment you could call me a hybrid athl uh an everyday hybrid person I don't like saying I don't know I'm not I'm not comp I'm not competing I'm just doing it I'm just I'm just a girl I'm just a girl um yeah it's just you know or is it someone that is completely focused and I think there there's there's benefits in in all sorts I I love the ability to and maybe that's uh a me problem uh somewhere along the spectrum for me I just love getting involved in different things I love the ability if someone goes do you want to do a Hyrux next week yeah I can do that yeah I can do that I'm ready I'm not gonna win but I can do it and I can do it well and I can enjoy it and the next day I can wake up and have my coffee and live to see another day um and you know and I I'm I'm healthy my V2 Max is pretty good my WuPage is 10 years younger than I am it was a flex there. That was a good flex put that in there but just put that in it's the only reason I'm talking about this topic is just to get that in there. Done ding bang this is what someone asked me in the Lyft this week um in the office they were like someone actually asked me how actually old are you and I was like I know it's hard to imagine that I am approaching I know 41 but I was like but look at this bro um yeah my my Woo page says I'm I'm 30 um so yeah so I'm not um yeah um but yeah it's you know what actually is you know what is hybrid training so you know in a in a a sort of an evidence based or or uh within the the realms of of of of fitness and coaching it is the deliberate and structured pursuit of two or more things let's call it and and let you know those things are you know physical disciplines isn't new this is triathlons this is duathlons this is people that do Olympic weightlifting and do crossfit crossfit is hybrid crossfit is the sport of gymnastics you know crossfit say they they they discovered all of this no you took gymnastics which is an Olympic sport you took Olympic weightlifting which is Olympic sport and the sport of of fitness which is sort of Iron Man or you know all of all of that and and you pulled them all together quite cleverly and and said cross training fit cross cross fit and you know it it's I I guess you know I sort of joke and say doing a bit of everything from a training perspective if you are actually taking it seriously and you are developing you know you the the training that you are doing will be structured in a way that intentionally enables you to develop in different domains of fitness now I always I'll go back to the you know the question of I like to sort of uh debate with people who's fitter Mo Farrer or or or Usain Bolt well they're they're they're different disciplines they are opposite spectrums of of running on two dusty feet at different times one is obviously very developed in short power output and speed and the other you know in in endurance and physically they look they look very different. And and then you know the everyday athlete I would say is someone who lifts three two three times a week and does a 10k or a part run on the weekend. Yeah yeah totally that that that is that that is the definition that literally is it but I guess if you are if this is you know a real pursuit for you and you are let's say quote unquote taking it seriously you know I would hope across the different modalities that you're trying to improve in that your programme would periodise as such. Now we call this concurrent training this again this is nothing new concurrent training is essentially like we just said it's two domains or multiple domains concurrently at the same time now we have for a long time I think let's say 10 years ago it was like you're either a lifter or you do fitness and I definitely remember that it you know we turn up to like a turf games and you know everyone be like oh I'm looking forward to the lifting event I'm gonna be dog shit in that one and everyone's like well the run is there a running event I can't live for shit and actually now what we're seeing is people that can be the best at at all of it you know when you see the elite athletes tier Claire to me she wins the CrossFit games she is a great example of a hybrid athlete she doesn't win every event though so you just have to be just good enough at these things yeah to to to have that full capacity when you think about something like Hyrux what does that test? Well sixty odd percent of it is running so the majority of it is running the station the station's there but it it's small and none of it is maximal uh lifts like I was training did high rocks today and I was like had the four kilo wall ball and I had two five kilo dumbbells doing my lunges you know you and I were like oh it's not that heavy it's like we'll it will fit it will feel it once we after after 8k me and you like no 100's fine but yeah and and so I guess historically it was you were really sat in either or camp unless of course you know well Iron Man is more on the on the endurance side but there's a thing in again in in fitness is the interference effect and again it really does depend but I definitely have experienced personally and have witnessed people that I have coached that are able to get stronger and develop their cardiovascular fitness or their ability to to endure fitness. So I think and and a lot of sort of modern research does suggest that it is possible. However it's fucking hard hard yeah yeah it's ri it's really really hard so it's like you know life is full of decisions and choices if I'm gonna spend my time developing uh my my max deadlift that's really the priority yes if if I want to do that I uh a a quote that uh an early mentor um said to me it was like the priority needs to be the priority and and even in session programming like in a block let's say you in a in a in a personal training session the A1 exercise for for is the priority. Yeah yeah that's your main but that is your main lift and then how can the the rest you know in in the yeah in the concept of the environment and you want to be time efficient and you want to be able to build rapport and this is a sustainable way of training. So it's like the priority is is is the priority. So for me, if you wanted to train or if you are training in a hybrid manner, what would what would I say is important? So for me, yeah, it's the number one is is prioritization. So if you're telling me that you want to get a bigger deadlift, you better be deadlifting with bags of energy the day after your rest day and that is your first exercise and you know the the the the rest. And it's similar to you know some a lot of my friends will ask me oh what should I do first in a session? Should I do my cardio first or strength train? Well what's the priority? Exactly that yeah yeah yeah so neither neither neither is is right or wrong and it's like if that's the priority again look at your week am I if I want to get faster at a 5k am I doing my parkrun after I've gone out to Archer Street until 3am the night before you're not that doesn't look like a priority to me because because you're not getting the right stuff you're having a lovely life and I'm not here to judge you you crack on in Arch Street. But no exactly and then the other things around it is volume management and exercise selection like we said for me it has to sort of be be the priority but really it's about the recover the the biggest training variable for me as a hybrid athlete someone looking to do uh different domains is the recovery element and the older I get the more I realize uh how how important it is and I think one of the things that we talk about a lot of people that listen to this podcast talk about is like I want to do it all but quite frankly I can't. Can't yeah and we always talk about giving grace and there is something called allostatic load and what that is and we've talked about this a lot um is your body does not it just knows stress it can't distinguish really between physical there's some direct stress impact on on on muscle groups but your body can only have a certain amount of stress so I think sometimes when we're trying to do it all let's say and we are training concurrently and yes we're prioritizing and we've got we've got a great structured program if you are not able to recover the the the the stimulus is just gonna degrade degrade degrade and you don't have that adaptation phase exactly and that is the recovery and I know it's corny as hell and it's like the training that you the rest is all the training outside of the gym is just important. It is it's so true again it's not exciting to talk about but if you're if you're sleeping like a you know a student on freshers week you're under fueling you're not getting enough you know carbohydrates sadly you know is the one if you are definitely it's like people I talk to that oh I'm just not really feeling great or I've got I'm coming up to a high I don't feel great what's been going on oh work's been mad stressful okay that'll be it yeah that that'll be that'll be it and people shift workers if you are working or you know if you're you're obviously going back into group exercise you know coaching that's quite stressful so you you know you load management is not just about what you're doing in the gym it's the everything else and also you know sadly it is your personal life if you have a uh you know one sometimes working and and everything you know takes over and I think exactly our our our relationships and and all of that so I guess you you've had times Sarah where you're like like you've just said you've never really focused on your training and structure no this is going to be very interesting for you now because you've got the structure now it's up to you.

SPEAKER_00 47:45

Exactly and it was yeah I was thinking that even today like I like literally messaged Rory yesterday I was like oh my god like there's so much rehab work that I need to and it's it's boring as hell like it is really really boring but for me it's been so good to have someone be like well if you don't do it like you're not gonna be able to run again this is going to the same thing is going to happen again you're gonna have a six month block where you're running well and then you're gonna you're gonna get stuck again and it's like well actually I really want to pursue some bigger goals longer longer kind of goals down the road why why am I not putting the work in and it's it's so nice to actually have really really kind of experts in the field I'm very lucky that I've been able to access both Danny and Harrison to help me do this and because yeah it's something that I don't spend it's something that I put my hands up. I'm not if someone came to me said I want a Hyrux programme that's not for me. I'm not I'm not a specialist in that field and it's I can bring that element that we you've just been talking about in terms of stress management, rest management, all this kind of stuff I'm very aware of and it's something I'm very comfortable talking about. But having someone program actually concurrently these all these different aspects for me has been really good because I've I don't I've not done it for myself ever and um I kind of said to my coach this afternoon he's like how do you find it I was like yeah really hard but it's actually so nice to have someone managing to some extent prescribing this intensity to me like this I did a session yesterday and like if I'd written that myself but oh I've not done enough I don't feel like I've done enough here but if I've been told this is what you're doing I'll follow it to the T. So actually it's um yeah I'm excited actually to see it sounds so corny but like actually I think I do have a lot more potential. I think I undersell myself oh that's so corny as a um not an athlete I think athlete is too strong a word for me definitely I struggle like you can't hear the word sexy I can't hear the word athlete but like I don't think I've ever actually committed properly to my own training really like I've spoken about it so much in terms of for me it's more it is for my mental health but it's really nice that I'm actually now actively pursuing progression physically in terms of goals rather than before it was kind of aesthetic goals. This is more just like performance goals which I've never really chased before so no I'm actually it's so nice and I feel like yeah it's it's actually a very exciting time to be an exerciser like there's so much out there there's so many different avenues you can do it go down you've got metrics you've got athletics you've got hierarchies or you can just go to the gym and train however the hell you want or you don't even have to be in the gym but I think it is a really exciting time and it's nice now that I think people don't feel like they have to fit in so many different shoeboxes like you were either a a crossfitter or you were a a runner. I like the fact that this athlete hybrid bubble is getting bigger and bigger and it's it's far more achievable. Like it's great that there's a lovely girl that we've become really good friends with at um this cardio club on uh Thursday Mercedes she sent me some bits through the other day saying I want to really try this I'm like great let's do it then let's give these things a go we neither of us identify as athletes in average commerce but it's nice that there's so many options for us to try now and if we don't like it we don't have to do it again. I mean I did say I was never gonna do a high rocks again here we are but I actually feel quite excited to do it.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

I'm in a better head for headspace about it and I know what to expect now but I I I'm really pro as much as hybrid training is it it kind of gets a not a bad rep but I think it's so very easy to take the piss out of it right but yeah because of all of like the memes and the connotations around like Charles who goes to the Alma at Wandsworth with all his Hyrux patches and do you know what I mean? And I think at the core of it is really easy to take the piss out of and I like taking the piss out of myself as well because I I went to the Hyrux class today and I absolutely had a lovely time with the like the gals and the guys.

SPEAKER_00 51:37

Exactly but one guy I need to I need to say one chap he changed his shoes depending on what station we were on obsessed with and I thought pop off hun that that's iconic behaviour that is iconic behaviour I nearly I never got my knee sleeves out for the wall balls but yeah I'm tempted to bring a change of shoes for uh do you is that allowed actually in the thing would you think no do you think I can take a get another partner no if you change shoes I'm leaving would you be if I changed some some like vivo bare feet halfway round that'll be I will I will kick you into the rock zone and get a new partner the rock zone but no I love it I love I yeah it it is easy and it's I think it's fun like we've all got to take the piss right but actually I think the core the core value of it is really lovely and it's really accessible and I and even as a coach I think it's it provides more opportunities for coaches to upskin as well like I'm learning so much from my coach and learning so much from all these different kind of modalities of training and stuff but I think it's a really exciting time to be it to be a participant but also to be part of this industry as a coach because there's so many different avenues you can go down with it now right it's not so clear cut. So yeah I love I I think the term the term is is great and I think it's it's just gonna get bigger and bigger and bigger and I think it's lovely that there's more events opening up and you're gonna find the thing that you like right if there's more there you're gonna have more choice.

SPEAKER_02 53:03

There's going to be more things you align with absolutely and I've one of the reasons I I well I kind of have a bias towards beginners within strength training but the reason why I love training general population is because it's the the the challenge for you as a coach isn't really the the necessarily the exercise selection or it's it's how can I get the best out of this individual how can I make them the best that they can be with all of these constraints the fact that they they've walked into this session I can see it on their face stressed out their eyeballs and I need to now give them some more stress so I think yeah I think if you know we know minimum effective dose is so important and I think sometimes I've always said um you know it's a real skill to achieve more with less stimulus I think that's incredible you know you see the people that go and win hierox and they'll go I've only just done a couple of sessions a week for the last blah blah blah and you think good for you I'm you know other people think actually I need to be doing all of the things to give myself the best possible chance and the probably the answer lies somewhere in between or specific for that individual but I think we should as people who are not uh it is not our life's work our job yes it is our life's work to maintain our health and wellness and longevity and if we can have some fun with it great but like if you don't podium at the thing like it's okay like you've got a life you've got other priorities keep the priority the priority and you know have the flexibility within your your training and we need to ensure that the recovery happens otherwise you know repeated underfueling repeated under recovery we know where that ends exactly exactly and I just think I we need to be we need to be honest with ourselves about that.

SPEAKER_00 54:53

Definitely definitely and it's yeah and again thank goodness for what things like wearable tech at that's helpful but yeah I think talking about it more and seeing yeah I think there'll be more conversation around it I think sadly we've seen it we've spoken to Bug about a couple of weeks the rise of stress fractures that's as a result of poor recovery not enough recovery not listening to our bodies properly so I think sadly we are going to learn from other people's mistakes as well especially in the social media world we are going to see okay these people who look like absolute athletes and do perform like athletes they're not superheroes they are still humans like we actually need to listen to our our bodies' vital signs um and make sure we make decisions accordingly and and knowing when to push and knowing when not to push and yeah it's um it's a skill it's definitely a skill and it takes years and years to do and learn but I think people generally are far more aware now so no I love the hybrid we love the hybrid live we do and I think for me one of the things that as I'm sort of bit older in in this game the thing that impresses me most is the person that's been able to stay in shape and perform for a longer period of time rather than that person who did something that one time. Yeah totally the discipline and the motive yeah that comes with that is is is different.

SPEAKER_02 56:05

It's like the guy and girl in the gym that's just there cracking away doing their thing with intention in good shape happy healthy you know they've been doing that for a long time for me that's like yes goals rather than you know on that social media trend exactly you've peeked for one of them yeah 100% it was like Jake Paul it's like Jake Paul out of nowhere suddenly in the ring with Anthony Joshua he smashed up his jaw well he's probably retiring okay yeah yeah no I agree and we can't we can't we can't compare uh with people like this but yeah we love we love the hybrid we love the hybrid training we live that we live the life but we're also very kind to ourselves and we can certainly take the piss out of ourselves but one of the things that um after a good week I think for both of us last week you may remember one of my pits of the week was that I could not find a cinnamon bun anywhere. You could not what I am delighted to tell you is that this week I've had not one but two cinnamon the same bun or a different style no I had from um there's a a a local business in southwest London called the Lockdown Bakery which obviously lockdown yeah amazing we love them love to uh shop you know independently to shop yeah we do I do love to shop there um it's one it's amazing I love it um so I got one from there um also I'm kind of goodness you're welcome it was a sexy bun no please honestly no it's a sexy bun okay and then I bought one today this is rogue yes but I bought a cinnamon bun it was a small one it was in like a cupcake from Marks and Spencer's from the bakery section yes not in a package how was that I actually really liked it and it wasn't as it wasn't as big as the one from lockdown because I'd already had this morning I sound like yeah I sound like a gannet today but I've got girls gotta eat I've got a big yeah I've I've I'm running I'm doing a lot I'm hybrid um I had a chocolate and banana bread loaf this morning unbelievable that was a new place in Clapham Common usually the queue's too big but for some reason the Huns were at home today so I managed to get in I got that so got that so I thought was that August bakery I can't remember oh that did look delicious. I love a banana bread yeah it was it was really good actually there was a there was a vegan version of it and I was like why is that vegan and that one not and she was like because the one that's not vegan's got chocolate in it and I was like okay I couldn't work it out I'm gonna google it later confusing but anyway the cinnamon bun but it was a small one it was£1.95 very well priced it was in yeah very well priced it was more of a snack size and that's what I went to so to be honest and okay yeah I did a bit of social connection this week but I feel I feel relatively relaxed I touch all the wood I'm in a good place with my with my training yes I'm doing all the thing I'm not only training for a marathon and maybe I've signed up for an ultra dunno yeah I have I'm not I'm not wasting this running form by not pop an ultra on the end more to come on that another day but yeah I'm doing that also jujitsu but I haven't been doing any weightlifting and I just think that would that would tip me over the edge if I tried if I tried to do that. I'm pleased to hear it no what a lovely cinnamony week what was my yeah my my highlight of the week I yeah as I said I'm very excited about this new role just feel like everything's just just ticking along nicely at the minute I've got yeah some kind of business development things going I kind of feel like I'm actually now getting stuff done I feel like the beginning of the year was great and there's lots of learnings but actually shit is getting done now and I'm actually really knuckling down and yeah I am I think my highlight was actually that job because it can't it happened really quickly I literally was on the way back from Milan was on their Instagram they were like looking for new coaches oh was that oh this is cool I could do that I could do that and then it happened very quickly but it feels very aligned and very right and yeah I'm excited so that was my highlight of the week for sure what was your low light peak pit well pit oh well there's a couple of things yesterday I was on the bus with a man uh who had a spliff in his hand that was on that was on the close on the close friends Instagram yeah I just had a spliff and I kind of part of me thought pop off again hun like you like you like you do your thing but then I thought oh god it's like yeah then he then he then he blew his nose with a towel yeah and I thought what a pit I was like how the mighty have fallen um but my actu my actual pit is for the first time I've started to be a bit what I saw on someone's Instagram that they were like London marathon in six weeks and what I haven't really been open about talking about is the fact I'm doing it at midnight yeah and that is a very different marathon so yes about that actually I haven't and that's because I'm fully unprepared I'm doing I'm just running in the day getting it all done but actually but I mean what can I do?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:30

I'm not gonna run through the night to prepare so it is what it is but as it gets closer I do need to start to consider some of the things like I need to get a flashlight um yeah but anyway that is it's not it's a not really a pit is it because I have chosen this is the life I have chosen so I'm not complaining it's a huge privilege but I just wanted to acknowledge that I am in my feels a little bit about it now because not only is it in six weeks like I'm peaking I am peaking now I've got not like peeking over a fence like peak running so I'm like 30k tomorrow and then I've got a bit of a D load next week and then we've got high rocks and then the next weekend I've got 34 kilometers which will be my longest run where I will be the body glide and Vaseline will be all up in my grill and off we go and off we go but on that note I don't think this is it this is not remotely linked and my this isn't a peek this is just another little rant I don't get it I don't get adults on scooters as in like you put your foot in it and you put you press off the floor scooters like I very feel very very strongly about the fact that you should either be walking cycling running or driving I don't think there is a place for adults to be scooting on scooters especially on paths like I like kids on scooters I get it adults on scooters it just I can't I can't do it. I think it's a bit weird I think it's a bit it's a bit like you're probably just better off walking with purpose than scooting along and then getting stuck behind people and then ramming scooters up people's ankles just just walk just walk with purpose or get on a bike and yeah I just can't I can't get down with scooters.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:28

I've seen many this week and I thought no do you know what I need to get this off my chest on a public forum I'll mention it on the podcast you know I have a scooter shut up yeah I've got a gold I have a gold uh scooter non-motorised scooter I have a I have a gold one with like a big suspension it I bought it in I bought it in lockdown it was a lockdown surprise purchase ask me how many times I've used it like five Can you explain to me what you thought that would be useful for so I can get into the mindset of a scooter owner I just thought you know I can get places I don't like cycling I don't like line bikes I don't like any of that shit and I I thought I could just get somewhere just a little bit quicker because when you're going downhill it's unreal. Would you wear would you wear a helmet for that though? No no I wouldn't because I'd be on the pavement which is irritating but through co but through like COVID when nothing was going on then I could but the reason I struggled with it is because I kept fucking whacking myself on the ankle and like really hurting my ankle.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:39

Yeah yeah yeah yeah and pedestrians get hit with them as well that's why I can't stand them I just yeah I just I just felt like yeah I just felt like this isn't for me but I still have it I should really do something about it but I just have it so yeah I own I hear you but I am a scooter owner that was so funny I was like she's being very quiet on this I have one I own one I have six in my I need to just sell it like I'm just my vintage relationship is very one-sided yeah you're not I'm not I'm a bar going on yeah I'm not seeing a lot of selling going on mind you I had it do you know what whilst we're on this vintage topic I sold a dress the other day and it's absolutely beautiful I wore it to a friend's wedding a couple years back and it was it wasn't cheap but it wasn't expensive like an 80 90 pound dress anyway I love it can't get my bum in it anymore and it's really quite sad but anyway so I said I'll sell it I normally charity shop a lot of stuff but I thought actually this is a really high quality piece I'll sell it sold it for eight pounds eight pounds I sold it for I thought okay let them have it I was thinking what did you put it up for I think I put it up for about twenty so someone's okay so someone's given you the minimum bid yeah they've been cheeky full stop send it to them send it to them and then I get like a weird vintage notification being like this this sale has been Being blocked. They've made a complaint about my dress. They've made a complaint about my dress. It's not perfect condition, apparently. There's perfect condition because it is. I stand by it. There is a s a very slight change in silkiness in the fabric. And she's like, it's not perfect, needs to need to come back. I said, Do you want it for free? Because I can't be asked to receive it back in because I've got to sell it again. No, no, it's of no use to me now. Take it back. So she sent it back to you?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:31

Fair play, at least. So I thought you were gonna say she goes she take it for free. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:36

I was happy for her to have it for free because I thought I don't want now, I've got to resell it. So if anyone's following me on Vinted, it's a lovely green dress coming up there. But it's not perfect condition. There's a very slight change in the silkiness, so I need to change the definition. Yeah. Sauz, but yeah, I love I love hate vintage as well. I think it's a bit of a weird place. Bit of a weird place.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:54

Yeah, but I just are mad expensive these days. So yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:59

It has a place, but it's when people are like, I put a top up for two pounds, it's like, can I have it for one pound ten? No, pay the two pounds.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:06

Well, I've just bought a pair of trainers, a new pair that I cannot find for love nor money in the wide world. Um, like literally, I would I would pay over the odds. I would pay triple. The I've I've wanted these trainers for so so so so long. You have. You have. And and and I'm I hate to admit it, but I found them on Vinted's and they are perfect condition. So they're on their way, they're on the slow boat from China. It takes about two weeks to come.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:36

Oh, well, yeah, if you're buying them from there.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:38

That's what I mean. I thought do you know what? I thought Vince is me, classic me, thinking about the commercial model immediately. There should be uh there should be an option that you can pay extra for faster postage for express because you want those trainers now, don't you?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:54

No, no, you want them now.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:55

And I would pay you an additional£50 to have them now. Now, right now on my feet. And I get it, it's a bit annoying because you've got to fucking pack it up and take it to the blah blah blah blah. I will pay you. That should be. I might even write to Vinted and say that is a commercial model for today's girlies on the move, hybrid girlies that want things tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:16

Now, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:17

We're in an out we're in an Amazon Prime world, babes. I can't be waiting 10 days for the Yodel to tour the country.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:25

Oh, I don't like yodel. Yodel always throw parcels at my gate.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:29

Well, that was some real closing thoughts, and I think I'm before we get really angry. Now is a great opportunity to thank you again for listening to our podcast. We're on episode 15 now, and like like we said, we're cut it's we're coming out of this incubation period. So if you've been listening uh from the start, we really appreciate it, and all the messages that you send us on uh on Instagram, we absolutely love it. And um, yeah, we wish you, whenever you are listening to this, we wish you a wonderful week and a glorious day, and we hope that there is in your life either some wools or a cinnamon bun. What a lovely parting message. Goodbye, everybody. Cervical mucus. Oh, I thought you were.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:11

Actually, it's quite good. Well, if it's if it's that time.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:15

It's a positive sign. It's a positive sign. We should be grateful.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:18

Welcome the cervical mucus. Goodbye! Goodbye.