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Ep33. Endo, perspective & caffeine

• Laura 'Biceps' & Sarah Bevan • Season 1 • Episode 33

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In this episode, Sarah and Laura share their week’s experiences, discuss health and fitness topics, including caffeine regulation, endometriosis, and the impact of perspective on well-being. They also explore recent industry news and personal stories that highlight resilience and gratitude.


Chapters

00:00
Introduction and Week in Review

01:59
Discussing Caffeine Ban for Under 16s

04:12
Impact of Caffeine Regulation on Industry

06:59
Personal Stories of Resilience: Adele Roberts

09:58
Industry News: IM8 and Growth Capital

14:59
The Power of Perspective and Gratitude

19:54
Endometriosis: Facts, Symptoms, and Diagnosis

40:04
The Emotional and Physical Impact of Endometriosis

54:48
Personal Growth and Reflection

01:00:08
Week’s Highlights and Closing Remarks

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SPEAKER_00

Hello and welcome back to Fit for War, a no-nonsense evidence-based take on health, fitness, and wellness with humour, honesty, and practical advice to help you build your fittest year yet. My name is Sarah, and I don't know how this episode is going to go today. We will find out. Why is that?

SPEAKER_02

I am just a big sleepy baby this week. She's it's she's talking about it's my least favourite topic.

SPEAKER_00

Sleepy, sleepy, sleepy.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, she's being being tired.

SPEAKER_00

Brain mouth connection's not firing today. Like I can really feel I'm ready for a week off. Honestly, I I don't know if I even told you about this yesterday. I was teaching and my eight o'clock class best, and I've got like a routine. I've got like my 6 am, I'm a little bit rusty, I'm a little bit sleepy. My 7am is the best class I teach all day. I'm sharper, I've learnt from the mistakes in the first class. 8 a.m. I could really do my breakfast at this point, but I haven't eaten anything yet, and my brain just goes down. I finished the class 12 minutes early yesterday, which in basically means the last block. I was like, right, guys, tap tidy up, time to go home. And they were like, Sarah, we've not done the last bit yet. I was like, yes, you have. They're like, no, no, we've not done that. So yeah, it might be one of those days, but it's okay. I've not even said hello yet.

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Hello.

SPEAKER_02

Hello everyone. Welcome back to the podcast. Um Sarah's on one today. My name is Laura. I am the other part of this podcast. Um I'm a personal trainer, author, sports nutrition, extraordinaire, self-proclaimed, and thumb gate manager. I've I've um I've I've bust it up again.

SPEAKER_00

Again.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I've I've I twated it on um Monday. No. Monday. Wednesday night. I was uh sparring with a a purple belt and I twattered it and just grit my teeth because I didn't want to show any weakness. She said, She said, Are you okay? I said, Yeah. Yeah. I was like gr I was like grabbing it, like trying to squeeze it to try and get the it to stop throbbing. But yeah, I twattered it Wednesday and then I was sparring earlier uh today. We were we're recording this on a Friday. Um, and I go to a women's only uh jujitsu class uh at Armour on a Friday, and um, it's amazing. We absolutely love it, and it's a female coach as well, girls only. No ball, no ball bags allowed. Um chebs and vaginas only. And um, yeah, I was sparing this lovely girl, Charlotte, and uh yeah, she was she was on one today as well, and um yeah, she was she was proper going for it, and I tightered my thumb again, but I I've I felt like I could tell her, so I I put some tape around it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, get some kind of thumb guard.

SPEAKER_02

Is is a thumb guard a thing? Can you buy thumb what thumb thumb guard? No way. Can you imagine? Might as well wear a helmet. Thumb guard. I'd get laughed out. I'd get laughed out. I'm gonna order you a love heart thumbs thumb guard from thumbsy.com. No, I'll send it back. I'll send it. Listen, I'm already a white belt, it's already embarrassing enough. I'm not coming in white belt with a thumb guard. Oh, it's to stop you from sucking your thumb. Probably not gonna help you that much. Right. Perfect. Thanks for that. That'll save you. Bless you. Yeah, well, yeah, it was it was um yeah, a great session today. I um yeah, we uh I I got I got subbed a couple of times. Uh sorry, subbed for those who are not uh yeah, I I I lost I I lost my sparring match, so I got submitted. Getting subbed is short for submission. Um what did I happen today? I got some arm bars, got a couple of chokes. I feel like every time I get choked out, me and this uh this lovely girl Tony, who I sparred with the purple belt on Wednesday, she's unbelievable. She just like she just like just schools me so bad, and she's just really basically you know playing around me, and I'm just like trying so hard, and she just rearranges my entire spine. And I say to her, Well, we said like every time we get like choked, maybe we lose like a couple of brain cells, and I really feel that now. Um it's just it's yeah, it's it's so it's so mad when you think how physical actually uh it is. Um but anyway, but anyway, it mentally really really good. And we played uh Bad Bunny's Greatest Hits.

SPEAKER_00

Bad Bunny's Greatest Hits is already got all the hits.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, not his official greatest hits, sorry. Our he we just played all Bad Bunny. Oh yeah, which which was which was uh fantastic. But yeah, it has been um quite the week, and I'm fresh out of so we've as we said we're recording this Friday last night. I was at an event uh with the gang at Women's Health that was powered uh by Primark. And I and I said, and as part of it, I was wearing head-to-toe Primark, which I would say, without sounding like a total knob, is the antithesis of what I would normally wear for both you and I. I'm dragging you down with me because it feels fair. And we were talking about it, and I was listening to the um the the senior buyer actually of Primark Fitness Range for Women was there, and she was saying that it is her mission to try and design and create affordable, accessible fitness clothing for women. I was just like, yes, absolutely. On what planet is it normal to spend a hundred quid on a pair of leggings? You know, that that's normal for and I know you know you would think about I sort of think about it in more corporate arenas, you'd buy a a decent suit, you'd invest.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, yeah, I agree, and I think I've always viewed it as like a cost per wear situation. I'm like, well, actually, if I'm gonna wear these, I mean, my for example, my black Lulu align leggings, god knows how many times I've worn those. But you're like, she's so right, like it doesn't need to be a hundred pounds. Like you could easily some of the stuff. I mean, I've got bits that I bought from I think it was Alice Living's um collection from with Primark. I wore those for for years, for years and years and years, and they lasted really well. So it's so right. Like I those bits you're wearing were beautiful.

SPEAKER_02

That's kind. I actually was at Alice Living's uh launch event of that Primark collection, yes, uh in 1962. Um when you were just a mere when I was in utero. Yeah, you were in utero. Oh actually, Alice was uh 1962, Alice was minus uh 60 then as well. It was just me, it was me in gazing into the future. Yeah, Alice was like, I brought my um mature friends, me and um Sarah Lindsay, Olympian Sarah Lindsay, and actually Claire Sanson was there as well. She's not she's the elder, but anyway, she was there last night as well, and um she was head to tone primary. She I can't do her accent, but she was like, it's just not bad, it fits fits me quite well. No, that's a terrible. I I hope she never ever listens. She won't, she's too busy. She's got her own pod. Too busy. Um but yes, that that was what I did last night, and it was really nice, it was really nice because you know, we do the sort of let's say the fitness circuit that I've been spinning the block for the last 10 years, and actually the event last night was a lot more women's health sort of members, readers, uh and people that are perhaps less uh in less experienced uh in fitness, and yeah, it was amazing. And there was some panels and some speakers there, and I actually had a bit of a moment last night where I was like, I needed I needed to hear all of this, and I I I really did, which I will uh I will explain. But yeah, it got the room kind of emotional. Um but yeah, so that that was last night this week. I have been I went to a place called Radcliffe uh this week. Um I completely got the wrong joke. This was on the day of the World Cup uh semi-final. Oh boy. So I was I was on my way to Radcliffe, which is just north of it's Nottinghamshire, uh, for a meeting with a few lads for a couple of hours, and then I made my merry way uh back. But I arrived at Radcliffe station Radcliffe on Wednesday, me being zone two girly. I arrived at Radcliffe and I was like, where's the taxi rank? There wasn't one, so I'm like, okay, going on bolt, Uber, nothing. I was like, okay. So I was just in the middle of nowhere. Uh and I and actually, in hindsight, not the best safety um for for for me. Although, I don't know if you've heard, but I I am good at jujitsu, so anyone that came for me, I I could have submitted easily. But there was no taxis, so that was a bit of a fail on my behalf. So I I only just made it to the meeting and made it back for the World Cup semi-final, which was emotional. It was a lot.

SPEAKER_00

I messaged all, I thought, this is all a bit much, isn't it? It was quite aggressive, an aggressive, high intense. Oh, you could just sense the tension, couldn't you, through the screen? I thought, oh, I actually sat with um, for those of you, I'm sure this won't come to many people's surprise. I'm not good with conflict on screen. Um so I I actually sat with a pillow in front of my eyes. A pillow the large majority of so a game of football. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. It's just too stressful. Um uh caveat, I've just I just wanted to just go back to what you're just discussing. I've just noticed that Radcliffe on Trent is near Melton Mowbray. What's that? That is where the pork pie is from. What? Melton Mowbray is where the pork pie is from. And I just wanted to highlight that for everyone. It's worth a visit.

SPEAKER_02

Have you not even unless you're me and grow up. I think. The thought of a pork pie. That is disgusting.

SPEAKER_00

But I just wanted to let everyone know that if you're on your way to Radcliffe on Trent, just stop off via Melton Mowbray.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Uh the station before Radcliffe was Bingham. I was literally on this train. I was like, what am I doing? Where can we? Which is actually ridiculous. Yeah, I just was like, oh God, get me back to like the tube. I'll take I'll take it. But yeah, it was quite a long, it was quite a long journey. But they yeah, they were all everyone was very grateful that I was there and did my thing. And yeah, God bless them. They're they're very lovely, but the the lunch was provided, which was uh a load of sandwiches and a cake. I was like, oh no, I can't do this. I'm gonna so immediately I had to go to MS on my way back from uh via Bingham and I did get my you'll be pleased to know uh Sarah, I've updated her. So I I also need to uh say when I I posted it on Instagram and everyone's like, oh my god, you didn't know what MS Picky Bits was. Are you okay? No, I didn't, but also what I have found out, which is very me as the sort of the commercial-minded uh person that I am, I'm very interested in in the deal itself. So Sarah says to me, it is a three for eight pounds. It is no no so what what they do is, and I believe this is because it is there there's it's twofold. So where I have found my picky bits, yes, that it's it's three for nine. And that is, I believe, because of the location being a more local metro express so they charge more for it, and that could be due to this is very boring for everyone involved, but I can't help myself. I I want to know the commercials behind everything. How is that making money? So three for nine because the leases and the rent of that particular, more convenient, on-the-go space. So that store I imagine needs to make more money. So they they put that price up. And then, secondly, because I am on the go, I don't have much choice as a consumer. I can't go, oh, three for nine, I'll wait till I get down to Radcliffe on Thames to get that free for eight. I'll save a pound. What's happened to the pound?

SPEAKER_00

I just had a flashback to mine and Laura's trip to Marks and Spencer's this week on the way back from the gym. And Laura explained to me the I think I might have zoned out for a little bit. She was explaining to me there's also a pasta, there's a pasta meal deal in Marks and Spencer's. And I think we were just gonna buy the fridge. Oh my god, this is my favourite part of Mark Spencer's world. And it's the pasta meal deal selection. Laura was explaining to me in great detail how naturally the bread. The bread is the cheapest part of that, and that's what you think. Laura doesn't explain she won the bread, but she buys the bread. Oh, for God's sake!

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, which is it's a yeah, I get it, I get it. But it's in the deal, so I can't just it's in the deal. So it is so for example, the pasta and the sauce, right? So that comes to seven pounds thirty. No, we've got to go through this, we've got to be clear. She's for those that are listening, she is absolutely eyes rolling everywhere. Listen, the pasta and the sauce to purchase them on their own at 7.30 odd. So me taking that garlic bread home with me saves me money. However, yeah. Because it's it's three for seven. So what I need to do is find a garlic bread donation bank because the reality is it sits in my bloody fridge because I don't ever fancy it. I don't really like garlic bread. How can you not like garlic bread? I just maybe if it was uh, you know, uh done on a s on a on a nice fire oven. But in my, you know, in my at home, I'm sort of cooking it up in my oven and it makes the flat hot and I just dug no, I'll just take this, give me the pasta and sauce. I've got a can of tuna that I may or may not put in, depending on if I've got the ick recently. And I uh three for seven, and I can tell you right now there is a garlic bread in my fridge untouched. Honestly, I'm like, listen, Sarah, look at this. This is the deal. This is what happens, and someone doesn't make any money here.

SPEAKER_00

I was just stood there, like, can I just get my oats? No, no, you've got to think about the commercials of this. Let me explain this to you on a commercial basis.

SPEAKER_02

And I No, but if you think if you really deep, if you really next time, right? And for for those listening, next time you buy a meal deal, I want you to ask yourself, who is making any money?

SPEAKER_00

Because I can tell you it's not trip. It's not, it's not. She's right. We say drinking our favourites, wild strawberry, magnesium, and botanicals. We've always got our gene subscription. Yeah, and so I've had two trips today.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, you need on there, please. Well, I'm ahead, I'm I'm a subscriber now. So I'm in res I'm in receipt of 24, I've got 24 cans in the flat near the garlic bread. And the rate of sale out of the fridge with the cans is twice the speed of the garlic bread currently. Shh.

SPEAKER_00

Poor garlic bread. That poor garlic bread. No, I literally, as we're discussing it, just for full transparency, half my screen is the recording studio, half my screen is my avocado shop that I'm about to do. And I'm just perusing the three for eight selection right now, and I can see those sweet potato spice for laffles right in my eyeballs. They are delicious. So Right. That's so, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So we've not actually told the listens on the podcast. I bought that today. We spoke about that before we pressed uh record. And so I I have also purchased today the pesto. So I'm really in this uh meal deal now. No, not meal deal, the picky bits, sorry. I need to refer to it properly. So the pesto mozzarella balls, unreal, sweet potato falafel, and a whole Spanish omelette.

SPEAKER_00

See, I can't. I've got a bit of a funny thing about Spanish omelets. Why? I don't know. As a child, I think my I felt so betrayed by my mum when she'd be like, we've got quiche for dinner, I'll be like, yes, I fucking love a quiche derane. Like set me up with a quiche rein any day of the week. But my mum was probably doing one of her kind of Slimming World phases mine. Crustless quiche. What does crustless quiche equal omelette? So I I've just got that, you know what? Do you know what if I ate? Yeah, if I've got a spa if I ate a Spanish omelet, I probably would quite enjoy it. Have I ever purchased one? No. Um, but it's interesting. I I'm actually, I've also equally got the mozzarella in my fridge right now. I have just polished off those balafals, but yeah, I do actually think, do you know what? I I was tight on time making lunch there, and I had all those bits in the fridge. Chuck that in a bowl, fuse out of these, which Laura doesn't like. Um great lunch option, guys. Actually, in terms of prepping, not a bad shout. So I'm so glad I opened your eyes to this. I think if I've done anything in this friendship, it's the three for eight pound picky bits. What more? Nine three for nine pounds I've paid.

SPEAKER_02

Well, you need to go. You need to walk a bit further to a bigger store. Uh no, uh honestly, but if we're gonna talk about one thing I'm being good at this last week, it's walking. Mate, I need to get out. My steps are insane. I'm world record holder of steps this week. I'm just trying I'm just trying to, as you know, I've sort of hear myself as I explain where I'm at on this pod every week. It's quite like that, it's like therapy, really. It's sort of how we have to say it out loud. And I'm just trying yeah, I'm just trying to. I I'm I'm not uh overhaul do everything all at once. I'm like, right, let's look at where I'm at. What can I try and do a bit better? And then hope that and then you know, with the hope that that sticks and and compounds into other areas. So I'm like, what can I fix? Okay, let's just take some more steps and and actually let's try and uh I I need to be more proactive with my meal, with my meal planning and things that I have available. So yeah, that has that it's it's been uh yeah, for for both of us, I think it's been a a wild week and to continue the theme of it's still really hot, um, which we're not complaining. Oh I am okay. I I'm not. I think I've I think I'm I think I'm acclimatised now.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, I've had enough. It but to be fair, I believe the the temperature is due to drop. It's 28 to say 25 tomorrow, I'm fine now. I can get through today, I'll be absolutely fine. 25, 24, delicious. Anymore, I'm in the bin. So I'm gonna be even more hyper after that, so that's fantastic, isn't it? After what? The trip?

SPEAKER_02

The weather drops, I just think I'm just a bit fried. Do you know what? Um I have not since having my teeth done, what I have not had a lot of, and I know I haven't done this because I actually haven't met you know, when you sort of meet someone for a coffee and maybe you've had three coffees already, and then you have another coffee. I'm hardly having any. I don't think I can't remember the last time I bought a coffee. That's wild. I know, so I'm definitely caffeine, I'm I'm definitely lower on the caffeine.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, what uh no, I'm still having two coffees a day, I must be honest, but that's true. I don't know when's the last oh no, I do know, I bought an i a matcha from it to yesterday, and it was delicious. Yeah, it's really nice. It was I think it's a jenky matcha. But no, actually, no, I bought a coffee yesterday because I actually thought my brain cells were gonna fall out my bum, so I did have a coffee yesterday. Um yeah, I've been drinking No, I don't think I have actually, I'll tell you. I'm back on the coffee. I'm just gonna have to get my teeth anything more often, aren't I?

SPEAKER_02

Well, yeah, it's quite expensive. But also I like coffee. What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do?

SPEAKER_00

What else is a pound? What's happening with that? What's been happening this week in the world of health and fitness, Laura? I'll tell you what has been talking about energy and caffeinated drinks. Energy drinks have been banned for under 16-year-olds from April.

SPEAKER_02

How do you feel about this? Yeah, so from my if I put my other sports nutrition uh hat on, we have uh we believe we've known that this has been potentially coming um for quite some time now with the sort of yeah, the the sort of the the government's ambition to reduce accessibility um to high highly caffeinated uh drinks. We know you know it can could be addictive. Um and we are seeing I guess this is sort of in tune with we're seeing a lot of youth uh or younger uh demographic profiles entering the gym, which is fair fantastic. Um and yeah, that the the ruling today has said that it will be all all vending. Um so yeah, imagine that yeah, you you you can't vend a caffeinated drink, which just kind of I don't know, uh that there's loads more that I need to professionally understand to have a to have a real view. But with things like this, I just think is that really the problem, or is it the vapes in the corner shop? And yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean? I think I I I don't yeah, I uh again I I'm not uh fully informed to really take a full view at the moment, but I all I can say is I I know it's been coming, um, it will have an impact in sort of the industry and and for a lot of gyms as as well and and other sort of convenience on-the-go locations, you know. We know if we think about what what what what drink do you think of when you think of a caffeinated tin? I think of a big old monster or a Red Bull, you know, sort of the the stalwarts of of that category, and you just think, okay, so does that mean that they are then none of them can be in the vend? And do you then say, right, okay, well, how can you vend a pack of Maltesers at a train station? Because that's not very healthy either. I I do yeah, if I if I do think about vending and I I remember once I was um you know uh in a a hospital and I went to the vending machine. I was I was there uh uh quite quite a few times and I thought, you know, as you are in those situations, you're probably lacking lacking sleep, lacking time, and you go to the vending machine to try and grab yourself something, there's a load of old crap in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um so I I'm sort of for the review of things that can be vended and trying to restrict access to things for populations and demographics that may not be in the position where they can understand it, regulate it. Um, but yeah, it will certainly uh have a big impact in the industry.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, agreed. Yeah, no, I kind of saw it and was like, actually, I I my initial take on that was that I think it's actually a really positive thing. I think obviously firsthand we we've obviously we enjoy caffeine and we've probably had times of our lives where we've relied on it more than we'd like to, but and we know the impacts that has in terms of quality of life, um, just like general anxiety. I think obviously there's a lot more conversation around that as well and quality of sleep. But the way I think I heard it actually on the radio in um on the car earlier, that was how how I heard about it. And it was like it's been labelled as the fact that the aim is to combat weight issues and poor sleep quality. So I was like, well, that's not a bad thing. I think the fact that we're making movements in that, but I couldn't agree more with what you're saying in terms of okay, maybe this is this could be a really positive first step in terms of yeah, how are we going to regulate improving access to better quality foods across the board, not just not just in vending machines, but actually is this gonna be a step forward in terms of educating people around nutritional um content and what they should be eating and and when and improving access to that as well. So yeah, I was I I I wasn't really aware that it was even kind of coming up what happening. I know that obviously you have to provide an ID when you're buying one in a corner shop, but I hadn't really realized that um it was becoming such a such a big thing. And from April, so so it's still quite a while away. But yeah, I'll be really interested to see actually, and we were discussing this before we came on the pod, you made a really fair point. Like, what does that mean for like coffee vending machines? Like when you get your meal deal in Tesco's or whatever, and they've got like a Costa machine, what does that mean for that? That you could argue that that is equally as dangerous if we're talking about caffeine consumption. So yeah, I just thought that was quite interesting. And um, yeah, I think there's there's obviously I again I don't probably don't know the full implications of that on the industry as a whole, but I took it as a positive thing.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so the there there has been some sort of public statements within the industry already. So the British Soft Drinks Association has stated that the ban was unnecessary.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Um, a spokesperson said since 2010, our members, so people who are uh retail um suppliers or brand manufacturers, um, since 2010, our members have committed not to market or promote the sale of energy drinks to under 16s, and all high caffeine beverages carry a not recommended for children label. So um back in the day when I used to work in the category of ice cream as one of my first jobs, there was a lot of uh uh commute um restrictions, let's say appropriate restrictions around uh targeting, let's say, um, or marketing to children. So, you know, it's the adult that's purchasing it for the child. It's obviously not a healthy thing, but you know, letting your child have an ice cream every now and again is sort of culturally all right, I think it's deemed. You know, we can't we can't ban everything. Um uh so yeah, I think the the the detail of it really matters here and what it's specific it won't impact everyone. So it is specifically for drinks that contain over 150 milligrams of caffeine per litre. Right. So if I talk about brands that we know that this will currently impact per sort of the millage uh that they've stated, this will be Red Bull, Monster, Relentless, and Prime uh energy. So there, so there could be brands that have caffeine, it doesn't state whether it's actual caffeine or or natural caffeine, like you were talking about matcha. So it may be a brand like Tenzing, under this current definition of the ruling, could be okay. Yeah, yeah. So so it it's trying to look at the excessive consumption. Um, you know, I I would sort of look at a can of monster, you know, the the bloke that's driving a truck through the night because he's a driver will probably neck a can of monster to stay awake. Yeah, yeah. Um, so you know, it it is what it is is what it is, but you know, the statistics say around a hundred thousand uh children in England do consume energy drinks daily.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god, that's wild. So I'm thinking like back to my childhood, like I don't think I mean how old is 16? What year is how old is 16 at in school? Is that what? That's like year 11, no? Year 12? How old are you when you're age 16? Yeah, is that year 11 at school? Uh yes. Yeah, year 11.

SPEAKER_02

12 and 13 are sick form, isn't it? You go year year seven. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So I can remember, like, I I don't think I ever I think the first caffeine I ever had was coffee. I just started drinking coffee in sick form, I think. But I don't remember going near anything like Red Bulls, or you know, like the kind of off-licenses or one pound or 99p versions of them. I can't, but I remember people at school having them. Um, but we just didn't really talk about caffeine back then. We didn't really discuss anything kind of health and well-being back then. So yeah, it's probably because you weren't tired. Yeah, probably because I slept. But um yeah, it's it's interesting. And I think, yeah, that's a hundred like that's a lot, and it's not good quality caffeine, like it is there's a lot of those drinks anyway. So I can see the argument for it. I can also see why a lot of these providers would obviously in terms of profit, they're probably kind of scared about it because there's a massive change and hugely limiting their ability to but also how are you gonna regulate that? Like, are you actually gonna be able to regulate that that closely?

SPEAKER_02

I'd well, yes, there'll be uh what they said is you if you are seen to uh be vending a product over 150 milligrams, there will be fines in place. And I think if you are a if you are a an independent shop on the court and you don't have a vend, that's you can buy it and you will take it to the till. Yeah. And they may or may not do an age check. This is really only applying to humanless purchase in in in environments. So, you know, you could you could what we uh what is unclear at the moment is this is really going into the details, you did when you listen to this podcast though, you didn't think you were signing up for a seminar on vending machines, but it is literally my uh my specialist subject at the moment. Um yeah, you there will be some environments that maybe the the the actual clubhouse, let's say, or gym, doesn't actually let under 16s in, but it will be vended. So therefore, it is there is there an issue there if it's like well under-16s can't actually get to this vending ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So why you know, is that assuming that under-16s are uh you know unofficially entering this environment anyway, or some you know, I was talking to uh a a colleague about it yesterday, and we were sort of referring back to the old days when you know you'd uh you'd stand outside a an off licence and you try and find a nice couple and say, Oh, will you buy me a couple of will you buy me a couple of Smyrnaff ices for me and my mate to go and drink over in that corner? You know, it there will be ways around it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But do but do I advocate for you know reviewing and managing access to things if they are being abused 100%? Yeah do I think caffeine's our biggest problem at the moment? I do not. No, so you know, it's you know, we can't we, you know, it's not it's non non uh out of our control. And uh it it is it is what it is.

SPEAKER_00

I I don't uh have any affiliation with a monster or a red bull, so no, I can't say I do either. But yes, also in other news, I know we've touched on IM8 before, Mr. Beckham's and who does he share it with? Dave Beckham. Quite a few people.

SPEAKER_02

There's a chap called Danny Jung, who is uh I think the MD or CEO of IM 8, but Bex is obviously yeah, one of the originals and uh a shareholder. It's quite a big team now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it is. Well, that's what was in the news. There's been a one billion um in growth capital um to IM8 this week, which is a ludicrous number. I can't even begin to get my head around that. That is so much money. Um, but basically the idea is that that injection has happened to accelerate their ability to kind of acquire customers. Um, and apparently they're looking to develop gummies and hydration products next. So um jumping on that, what was that one we the green? Is it Grun's? Grun's Grun's, yeah. Grunes, yeah. So I guess kind of hopping on that, and yeah, gummies seem to be a very, very popular avenue. So I just still can't, I'm not a gummy fan. Like I remember having I just find them I remember for the used to I bought I bought creatine gummies once and I can't remember where I bought them for, but I think to get the correct serving size. You've got a neck about 100, yeah. It was like six or eight gummies. I was at just had like a mouthful of sugar first thing in the morning. I was like, I actually really didn't enjoy that uh experience. So I'll be interested how that is, but I imagine it'll be a very high quality uh bougie gummy.

SPEAKER_02

But um yeah, so yeah, on on that, I've obviously yeah, this is a bit m within my sort of area of sort of of professional work, yeah. And I think so with creatine gummies in particular, there has obviously been a brand that um or a couple of brands that have been live and quite a certain influential individual via social media did a whole YouTube video that had basically outed that brand to say that those creatine gummies didn't actually have any effective dose in them. Yeah, for those that are listening to this podcast, Sarah's mouth is open and she's silent. Um so yeah, so what what they what this particular influencer did is they he sent, he purchased a load of these creatine gummies. This is last year, I believe, and he sent them to a an independent testing house called EuroFins, which is very well known in the industry of sports nutrition. So, yeah, as we said, independent, and then what they do is they test each of the gummies for actual uh active ingredients. So it does basically does it have in it what it says it does, and it didn't. Um, and and a lot there's a lot of rationale behind that. But if you know anything uh uh sort of behind the scenes in terms of the manufacture of creatine, when creatine, the powder might or creatine monohydrate, when it touches uh water, um over time it loses uh its sort of effective, effective dose. So, therefore, what you wouldn't want to do is put your creatine monohydrate in a bottle of water, leave it in your fridge overnight, and expect the next morning for it to be 100% efficacious. I don't think that's very well known. Yeah, I think there's definitely more education um that can be done there. But referencing back to the gummies, I actually think the format of a gummy is quite interesting. You don't like a gummy because you're like, oh, it's quite sugary, blah, blah, blah. There's other people that go, what, you want me to raw dog this white powder and just and just swallow it. So that feels really serious and maybe medicinal if you're not sort of you know within that engaged. So I know that the benefits of creatine or evidence suggests that the benefits of creatine could be for a a lot of different populations, not just gym goers, physically, mentally. Um, so actually, if if if it is an uh the the right dosage and and and they do it right in the in the production facility, actually a gummy as a format may uh drive penetration into an audience that wouldn't take it as a powder.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no, I can so I can so see the benefits of it. Are you thinking like being back like when I was a child, I remember the like multivitamin gummies. I used to be so excited to take that in the morning, like that was such a great way for my mum to get me to take multivitamins. So I can so see why you'd apply that same principle to kind of supplementation stuff, but yeah, for me, I think just because it was just this the size of them, they're like massive fruit pastels, and as you're saying, like there was there were so many I needed to take to get the a recommended dose. But whether that actually was recommended dose, we'll we I will never know. But yeah, it just wasn't for me. But yeah, it's interesting to see that um there's more research going into that now.

SPEAKER_02

Um I am a so that um yeah, like you said, it's sort of that one billion dollars, it sounds like a lot, but it's it's it's a it's a growth capital to support uh the the acquisition because currently it's uh a D2C driven brand that is obviously looking to expand. Um and yeah, the the loan is structured to finance, I think it's around 70% of their customer acquisition costs. Right. Uh and in return, uh the company will receive a capped share of of the reference income. So that's sort of defined as the the revenue generated from those customers. So it's like if we give you all this cash to acquire a customer, we're gonna so it's it's it's I think it's quite a good structure.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's gonna say a big deal.

SPEAKER_02

It's like we want to grow, we need some capital to do so. And and the agreement is that we almost get that return uh immediately. So it's very clear. Um what I think we don't know, and here I am with the commercial head on again, because like well, what does it cost? Um, you know, we're seeing all of this great, you know, oh, it's doing really well, it's get you know, it's getting all this investment. It's really difficult to value, you know, uh a business anyway, especially a business that is, you know, powder in a sachet. Um and we what we don't know, and is is not public knowledge, is is the what's underneath that gross revenue. So, you know, what are the people costs? What is the marketing spend? What is that the the CAC? So the the CAC uh is a term in D to C in commercially that's custom uh customer acquisition cost. We don't know that, and it is not in their interest to share that because you know, say you and I sign up for a subscription for a year and we we spend, you know, we give a grand to IM8, it might have cost them their customer acquisition cost on average could be two grand. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, we we we don't know. So I think it's very easy to look at these businesses and say, wow, blimey, oh I should I'm gonna make I'm gonna bin my job and I'm gonna make a powder in a sachet, trust me. If it was that easy, I think um we'd all do it. But yes, it you we are right to to to nod to IMA, it's definitely uh in growth. Um and again, I will always say if you are considering taking it, you know, really read up on the details. And if you can consult a professional, are you actually deficient in these things? Is it actually going to help you because it's not cheap?

SPEAKER_00

No, exactly. No, I agree, totally agree. Um, but yes, I wanted to discuss that. I realised off off the back of last week's um discussion around this kind of development in endometriosis um screening tools. I realised we hadn't really discussed endometriosis that much on the pod, and I thought it was actually a very, very valuable topic to discuss. And I think we touched on the fact that it's obviously touched people in our lives, lives before, and obviously working as a women's health practitioner, I see a hell of a lot of it. Um, so yeah, I just basically wanted to kind of discuss endometriosis and kind of share what I've experienced and kind of what is emerging, what isn't emerging. I think there's a lot um of information out there, a lot of it is correct, a lot of it is incorrect. I was when I was at this women's health seminar, they one of the ladies, I can't remember who it was now, but I was talking about kind of the rise of like women's health information on TikTok. And apparently an influencer had put onto TikTok saying that if you take, I think it was something like olive oil, I need to fact-check myself here because it was something bonkers. Someone had basically said if you take like three tablespoons of olive oil and two tablespoons of um lemon juice, you can stop your period for a month. And it had like billions of views, and it's obviously absolutely rubbish, like there's utter bullshit. But the views and traction and engagement got around it. I was like, oh my god, that's so scary. And I think it made me realise how passionate I am about sharing, like what's actually fact, what's what do we actually know about this right now? And sadly, as we've said so many times this podcast, there isn't a huge school and thought and body of evidence-based stuff out there at the moment, sadly. But I just wanted to explain kind of what endometriosis is, what is fact there, what we know about it. Sadly, again, there isn't that much information out there and a lack of research, but I just want to summarize endometriosis and we can have a bit of discussion around it because it's so important. And I think sadly, more and more people we know personally and are are experiencing and going through it, and it can be so life-limiting and debilitating. So, yeah, for the context, endometriosis can be defined as a complex inflammatory disease. I think it's often referred to as a gynecologic gynecological disease, but I don't think it's that. I and that's from research and studying, it's more complex than that. Um, and it's essentially where there's a growth of tissue that is similar to endometrial lining. So the lining that we typically build up through our menstrual cycle, it's it's a similar kind of lining to that. Um, and it can be found across the body, which I don't think people realise. And I've done a lot of work with clients on this, where actually it's not necessarily found in the peritoneal, which is that kind of classic area you'd you'd kind of normally expect it to be in. It's been found in the bowels, it's been found in bladders, it's been found in lungs, it's been found in shoulders. Like this tissue can grow everywhere and anywhere. Um, and there's actually been, um, I don't want to don't want to bring it back to the men, but it ha there has actually been recorded cases of endometrial tissue being found in men as well. So it's an influence in kind of shoulders in in body parts, like that it's it's grown. There's I think there's about 80 cases that have been noted of endometriosis in men as well, um, which again I don't think is actually discussed. Obviously, the the importance here is women's health, but it that shows you how how little we actually really know about it. Um there are varying degrees and stages of endometriosis, and I think it can sometimes be referred to as almost like, and this isn't to scare anyone at all, but it comes like almost like a in like a growth, in its growth, it's a it's a body that is growing, um, and there's different stages with it often beginning in the peritoneal, so that's like the peritoneum, it's like a silk-like membrane that lines your abdominal wall and that kind of area um and your abdominal organs, but it can then travel to your ovaries, and then you start to get deep infiltrating, and stage four is deep infiltrating too. So there's all these different tiers to endometriosis, and sadly, it often gets diagnosed at too late a stage where that debilitating stage. So it often starts smaller, like any kind of growth um disease and will build up over time. So that's why it's so key that if people think they have symptoms or they're su showing any signs of it, they find hope ASAP. And that's why that kind of screening tool that we discussed last week in terms of the saliva and the gut um activity is so key because hopefully that will mean that people have an idea sooner on into their um into their diagnosis. But I mean the symptoms are wild, like I've seen such a plethora of symptoms working with clients, um, but also that like it it there's so much crossover, and again, a lot of it is anecdotal at the moment, but that doesn't mean that doesn't have weighting, it just means that we haven't sadly got the numbers and the volume of data behind it to draw clear conclusions from it. Um, but lots of symptoms include things like pelvic pain, cramping, long periods, very, very heavy menstrual bleeding, bowel disorders, which I didn't really know a huge amount about until a couple of years back, but there's a very close link between endometriosis and small um intestinal bacterial overgrowth, which is known as cybo and IBS, because there's a link to it in terms of inflammatory disease, painful urination, pelvic pain disorders, bloating fatigue, depression, anxiety, painful sex, and sadly increased cases of infertility. So the the the symptoms with it are wild and vast, and of course, with anything, the symptoms vary so much person to person, and they can fluctuate depending where you are on that continuum in terms of disease development. Um but yeah, it's just like it's I just find it fascinating, and I think there's again, we don't really know what the cause is. There's more and more evidence building now that there's a number of proposed theories for the causes of endo, um, but they all kind of link back to this idea of like chronic inflammation, and there's arguments for obviously we're seeing more inflammatory diseases now that it all links back to this kind of systemic overwhelm and inflammation. Um, but yeah, I just find it it's fascinating. And I was looking at the kind of the numbers in terms of how it impacts employment. I think obviously us working in the fitness industry previously, we knew how hard it was to to work when we had really heavy bleeding, let alone suffering with a with a disease like endometriosis. Um, and some of the numbers um saying that even those so there's a high dropout rate for women in work because they just find work too hard. Um but one of the stats I found which was really shocking is women aged 25 to 54, diagnosed with endometriosis, earned an average of 130 pounds less per five years after diagnosis compared with the two years before it. So about a total loss. Of four and a half thousand pounds over five years. Like people are losing out on money and working because it's so debilitating. Um, and yeah, even those who stayed employed um saw a pay drop by about £56, totally about a 2.3k loss in earnings over five years. Um so yeah, it just it's something that needs to be spoken about, and I think as I keep drawing back to, there's not enough research out there yet, but it's building, and there's just more we should be doing, I think, in terms of it kind of informing ourselves and getting ourselves seen and and and seen earlier on because we know too many people ourselves that have left it so late, and it can mean hysterectomies, it can mean those kind of life-changing operations that it doesn't need to get to. Um yeah, and it's just like I'm really passionate about, and it it breaks my heart that it's still it's so common, it's getting increasingly more common as we get more aware of it as well.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think, like you said, it's like that these the cases that we know of and you've obviously experienced, it's like, oh, you know, maybe I sort of do have some symptoms of it, but I'm not really sure. And we almost blame ourselves and go, Oh, it must be because I'm not eating the right thing, or maybe I'm stressed, or and because there's no it's not clear, you know, and the process of of obviously diagnosing is lengthy and invasive. Um, and you know, I I've actually got a friend who quite recently went for um the the test and the lauroscopy, and they're quite traumatized. Uh they they they weren't prepared at all for how painful that was going to be. Um you know, that that that their words not mine, but they've you know they probably likened it or were warned uh they said that it'd be a bit more like a smear test, which I can guarantee you it's not. You know, you know, it it's not it's not a comfortable scenario. And I just think like you said, because the symptoms are so vague and there's no support for the the early testing, it we're so reactive in most things within our healthcare system that you know, like you say, it it's it's found when it is too late and raging, and then the the the options are quite limited then, and not only are they limited, but you've probably been suffering for a long and you can't get that time back.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, yeah, and it's I think it's just even and that's the I think that even like the the the laproscopy, which is kind of the gold standard in terms of diagnosis, so that is a a keyhole surgery that goes in to check the area for endometrial tissue. That's that's surgery. You go under, that's general anesthetic, you're under, and often they'll find tissue, but that's not to say that obviously they they go into a localised area again. If someone's got endometrial tissue in their shoulder, you're not gonna know that. You can't find that. Like, if it's in your lungs, if it's in your in your bladder, like that it's it's yeah, I it genuinely breaks my heart because I think it impacts so many people on such a dangerous level, and it is so debilitating, all those symptoms, like it's not just a physical health, it's a mental health situation here. Like, if you're in that level of pain, the anxiety that that can cause, you're you're preempting that level of pain. And I think endometriosis it typically, and this is said very broad stroke, typically will flare up at hormonal waves in your in your cycle. So typically kind of when you're during your period. Um but that's not to say that people don't suffer continuously of pain with that whole cycle, their whole life, like it's it's this miss miss kind of use of language and understanding around it that's creating issues for people as well, and it's that kind of surgery, like it puts you out, like people go back to work after a couple of days. It's like, no, you've had surgery, yes, it's keyhole, yes, but you've been blown up with gas to open up your stomach, like and that's not to scare people. I so I if that's the best route for finding a diagnosis, absolutely, you fight for that and you do what you need to do. But the the fact that to get a diagnosis is such an awful process alone, just sums it up, really, I think, and where we stand with it at the moment. But um yeah, it's um it's a minefield, and I I'm pleased to see more and more research coming out about it. But yeah, I just it's it's clearly very complex, it's clearly extremely complex, and I just I even in terms of workplace settings, like again, it's the same with menstrual health, which I I truly believe that we should be given menstrual leave. I think it's such an important idea in terms of women being able to take time off when when they need to physically and mentally. But yeah, there's like we're just not doing enough around it. Like this should be built into contracts, like if you have that kind of condition, you should be able to take the time you need to deal with this and in the with the time and space and financial support to be able to do that. Like it's lots of people can't afford to take time off to have that kind of surgery, that invasive surgery, to even find out what they've got. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And then, and then on the other hand, if I think you know, commercially again, yeah, if you're if you're a business, uh, this isn't uh proper or right or ethical to say, but you wouldn't want to have, you know, let's say you had a hundred percent team of people that was were were going to be off, like that commercially probably isn't viable for that business either. So this is where probably the you know the government need to step in from a healthcare perspective to support both the business and the the individual, yeah, to proactively support because, like you said, if that goes untreated, it compounds, and then the options are probably more expensive and and time consuming to to the NHS. And I just I'm no expert, uh really I'm not, but I just think like we said, everything we're really reactive, and the NHS has has done wonders for me and my family personally, and as also I've had some circumstances where I've been really disappointed and let down by the not not the the individuals at fault, the the system as a whole um has not serviced uh you know me or or people within my family or people close to me as you would hope uh that they they would. So I I think, yeah, when I I I don't know what the we don't know what the answer is, obviously we don't, but I we we do know that there does need to be at some point, you know, more investment, more intervention. Um and and I would also hope that perhaps you know, brands that profit off women, you know, if they're looking for things to support women's rights and topics, you know, let's let's get some investment and some funding behind this because as a woman, let's say, let's say Tampax the brand, uh, you know, in out, you know, did a marketing campaign, so we are investing in the the future studies of it. I'd be loyal to that brand.

SPEAKER_00

A hundred percent. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I I th I think it I think there's an opportunity because we recognise commercially this has to work, but also we are human and as women, um I've we've observed it all our lives that the the office working setup of being present in the office nine to five, potentially an hour away from home, is not very well set up for a woman who does have women's health considerations or you know, a family to manage. Uh and yet again, yeah, the the the labour falls uh to two women and are under supported. Yeah. Um and and that this sort of brings me on to what I was mentioning earlier around the event I was at last night, which was Thursday night, and one of the speakers um was a lady called Adele Roberts. Yeah um she is a BBC radio presenter, yeah. Um and you may know her from her most recent uh illnesses, where she she is a survivor uh of cancer.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

She had she had bowel cancer, um, and she she very generously uh and emotionally shared her story with a with a group of of strangers really last night. And and I I think she's she's done a lot of work with women's health in particular, I've seen, but you know, in other platforms um to showcase and drive education through sharing her story in a very vulnerable way. And I'm not joking, as you can imagine, I'm stood there in this room on my Todd on a Thursday night, and it's it brought me to tears listening to her story and and and the subject or or the topic that I sort of felt as I left. I was like, wow, that is one of life's greatest perspective givers. I don't know Adele personally, but having listened to that, we've all got a family member who has gone through something life-changing, as she has. And what I think she's done is not only as I said, she's shared it to help another, um, she has so brave, relentlessly and bravely uh shown up in in ways that I think, you know, people wouldn't even imagine. So through her bowel cancer, she had an operation, a life-saving operation, and she described waking up from that operation not knowing what the result of that could be. So she said openly, I just woke up and immediately felt grateful to be alive. That was the first thing. And secondly, she said that she, you know, as she was sort of coming to and sort of understanding her surroundings, she said that she felt something, didn't feel right. And she I I I sort of pulled up the covers and and realised and saw that she had a stoma fitted, which she didn't know would necessarily be a result of it. So you she said she explained she sort of faced two quite conflicting feelings. Well, I'm grateful to be alive, but life is never going to be the same. And and and how and how do I manage this? And she said she describes the person before she had her stoma as a the old me, the a completely different person. She she calls it uh, I think it's Andrea. Or so she's got a name for her stoma. Uh anyway, that she she refers to it and she says that it humbles her every single day in so many ways. And she also says that she now can physically see and feel what a gut reaction is. She says when she has some sort of, you know, anything there should her stoma goes absolutely wild. So it's like the the brain-gut connection is is is is really real. Anyway, going on, she said that well, she has run marathons with her stoma. Um, and and she said that actually, you know, people see her doing all these great things and big things. She said her biggest marathon that she's ever at her test was when she was in the hospital bed, they said to her, when she couldn't move, they said, In a few days, when you're ready, you're gonna have to go and sit on that chair over there. And she said that she couldn't even comprehend getting from the bed to that chair. And she said that that was the biggest marathon she's ever achieved, getting from the bed to the chair. And she said that when she managed finally to get to the chair, she was like, Right, now I need to get from the chair to the window. I need to get from the window to the door. And you know, when you just think of all you know, all the things, the silly things that we worry about, and me and Sarah at the gym earlier this week, and I'm going, Oh my god, my front squat's terrible. Who gives a flying heck? You know, when you have that perspective, and it was just I just thought it was incredible. Obviously, that she's she's she's gone through that, that she's so uh forward in in sharing that, but I just sometimes think that perspective is so needed to help to help ground us and remember that actually everything that we do is a privilege, and you know, let's let's stop beating ourselves up. And she said that all this exercise and stuff that she does now, she respects her body and she self-care for her is not selfish. And the the person she was before, how she describes it, she said that person would never dream of doing all the exercise, it would absolutely hate it. So she just feels so so grateful. So I I just I just uh I I know for those listening, it probably is uh, you know, uh apologies if it does, you know, hit any sort of personal circumstances there. But I just felt really important to to share that experience and how it made me feel. And and every now and again, maybe we do need to remember uh that perspective and and humble our ourselves uh when we're in pursuit of, you know, when we say, you know, what are we fit for? Well, you know, what happens if everything gets taken away?

SPEAKER_00

I agree, yeah. Wow, yeah, I was aware of her story, but I didn't realize it was it was so yeah, that's that's incredible. It's just and it's so I I so agree. I have moments like that where you're just like perspective is just so important, isn't it? And I think it's so easy for us to get wrapped up in the stresses of everyday life, and am I doing well enough? Am I doing enough? And it's but when you hear something like you're like, it really not none of this shit actually matters. Like, no, have I got my health? Have I got my family? Have I got the people that I love around me? Are they healthy? And it's just yeah, I think it's so easy to get caught up in the crap, and then you hear that and you're like, oh my god, like yeah, I've woken up this morning, I've got like I've got my health, touch wood, like it it yeah, I I think it's so important to hear stories like that. And we we we have so much to be grateful for, and I think it's I've got fallen out of the habit of even like a gratitude journal, which I know works for some people doesn't work for other people, but for me it's such a positive grounding activity to do. Like, what have I actually done today? Where am I where am I sat right now? Actually processing it. I actually had a really lovely conversation with a client of mine today about something similar, and he he's kind of a very much a go-go go person, always doing stuff, always doing um a lot of stuff at the moment. He's meant to be taking time out of work to kind of reset and re-go again. I've never known him be so busy. Um, but he said he he was gonna go for a run yesterday, but he actually took himself for a nature walk. And I was like, What do you mean, nature walk? And he said he just took himself down to the river, sat by the river, and just made himself sit there for 10 minutes and he just listened to the water, listened to the trees, listened to like the birds, and he was like, I just never do that. We don't do that. Like we've always got headphones in, or we're we're thinking about what we're doing next, and actually just trying to get perspective on with these tiny little ants in this in this world, this floating ball, like does this matter? And a lot of the time the answer is no, and it's just actually just enjoy what you've got around you, and that actually really leads me on to my um peak of the week. Really, I was getting myself Laura Laura knows full well, I was getting my knickers in a right twist about some things that I am not in total control over, as I'm sure it's very clear. I'm I am a total control freak. Um, but I just actually really managed to talk myself down. I was getting so wound up, and I actually actually just took myself swimming. I was like, just go for swim for 20 minutes and just come off your phone, come off your emails. And I was like, it's not that deep. Like I'm getting stressed over something from such a point of privilege, like I'm getting stressed over paperwork, over buying a property with my partner. Like, I'm so lucky to even be stressed right now about this, and it actually made me really think like, just chill the fuck out. Like, you've done you've done all you can do. And I was actually really proud of myself because I think maybe a couple of years back, or even a year or so back, the idea of that kind of level of stress would have tipped me over the edge. But I was like, Do you know what? I've got this, I can do all I can, and and I it draws back to idea. Is it really that deep? No, no one's gonna get hurt here, no one's gonna like I'm not gonna lose anything here. It will be frustrating, yes, but it isn't that deep. So I guess it's like I've just a bit more resilience and a bit more perspective, which was actually my peak of the week. So when I saw you want to talk about perspective, I was like, yeah, I hear you. It's so important. We've got we've got to do it more often, and yeah, it's so easy to get caught up, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02

It is, it is, and and my my peak uh of the week today is just getting I know it sounds silly, but it's just getting to jujitsu today. Like I've had I've had a really busy I know everyone's busy, so I don't really like saying I'm busy because you know it's a privilege as well, isn't it? Being booked and busy, that's cool. Um but just getting to jujitsu on a Friday for me almost just signals like yeah, like you've made it, you've made it to the end of the week, you've you've fit loads of stuff in, you've delivered upon things, you know, we're constantly navigating five million different platforms of communication, navigating stakeholders, personal relationships, you know, trying to I I I um I ring my mum, I would say about four or five times uh every day, and we probably speak about sort of five to ten minutes. So she's she's sort of ready to get straight into it because she knows that I'm like if I'm calling, it means I've got five, ten minutes that I just want to go. Oh, this is what I'm doing, what are you doing? Anyway, so I just think, yeah, just getting to jujitsu, having some time for myself, and yeah, obviously, you know, off the back of something like last night, and just getting that ultimate perspective, really, which I I need. And also, I'm gonna add of my peak of the week, my tan has never looked better than not being on not being on holiday. Everyone's like, have you been away? No, I sunbathed for I'd say six hours uh in Weybridge in Surrey on on Saturday, and I swear down it is completely real. No fake tans, no five-minute holidays in the machine, uh none of it. It is me with my fact 30 on, and I feel I feel good. My hair looks a little bit Kirk Cobain at the moment. If you know Kurt Cobain is he's uh unfortunately not with us, but he was the lead singer of Nirvana. So it is giving a little bit uh little bit grungy, but I'm rolling with it.

SPEAKER_00

No, I honestly uh the tan actually when we actually trained together on when was that? When was that Wednesday?

SPEAKER_02

I can't remember. Tuesday. I honestly can't remember.

SPEAKER_00

Was it? Uh Tuesday, I think we trained together. And yeah, the tan is just phenomenal. It's a very, very natural glow. And I said, that's not fair.

SPEAKER_02

Wednesday we we went. It's Wednesday, late, yeah, late Wednesday, because I was in I wasn't around Tuesday.

SPEAKER_00

I can't remember now. Yeah, yeah, but anyway, yeah, I can vouch for that tan is exceptional. I was like, Do I do I fate tan? Because I do feel a bit painful.

SPEAKER_02

I didn't want to say I didn't want to say I was not standing that close to you.

SPEAKER_00

So I thought I might fate tan myself, but hey ho, um but my talking of fate tan my pit of the week, uh Laura won't be able to relate to this at all, but Ellie has walked from Love Island, and do you know what? I've got no interest in watching it anymore. Now she's gone, I couldn't care less. Like I've been hooked on it for the last however many weeks it's been on. Now she's gone, I'm not gonna watch it. I absolutely loved her. You would love her as well, I think Laura. She's just absolutely stand does she stand on business and tell everyone their knobs? Business, apart from the fact that she's now back with a guy who arguably she does I mean, there's no argue about it, she deserves better. Um, but she's walked to be with this guy, and I'm just like, oh, why have you done that? So yeah, that's right, that's my pit of the week. Ellie has walked from Love Island, and that just summarises how privileged I am.

SPEAKER_02

Can't relate because I don't know what that means. Um, but I'm very sorry for Ellie. I hope she's okay. Yeah, me too. Is it finished yet? How long is there left of Love Island?

SPEAKER_00

But it's all getting weird because they're like, they're all talking about like getting to the final, and I'm like, you don't talk about it being in there, like it it's kind of like broke the third wall now because they're talking about getting to the final. You forget that they're when have their parents been yet? Not yet.

SPEAKER_02

Right. When that might that might get me back in because I love the parents come in all the brother and sister, and they go, nah, that per that bird is um is unacceptable. Yeah, you haven't seen what we've seen. Um no, yeah, I I must admit, I it's not through uh I'm happy you're watching it. I just genuinely have not had time. And when I've when I that it's just that 9 pm, I'm trying to go to bed earlier and I can't commit till post 10 pm. It's not for me. And I I've actually, yeah, sadly, I've been mostly is is work related. So my pit, as you can imagine, one thing I did stay up relatively late for was obviously the World Cup. Now, I know you've mentioned it and you didn't like it, but yeah, I just you know what? I thought we could do it. I thought it'd be amazing to have a Spain England final. Um, the Argentinians are quite the force. And uh if anyone's really into it, and if you watch um the rest of his football, the overlap with Garrett Gary Neville, Roy Keane, uh Ian Wright, Jill Scott, sometimes Cara, that program, they were had they had a big argument post-game, and Gary Neville was saying, you know, you've got to, as a defender, you have got to stop Lionel Messi, blah blah blah. And Roy Keane, I've bl I agreed with Roy Keane. Roy Keane's going, you need to call your jets, Gary. And he's like, I will not call my jets, Roy. They're really good, they're really arguing. And Roy said, What do you think's been happening for the last 20 years? That's an Irish accent. You know, Lionel Messi, if you're into football, he's unbelievable. You give him an inch, he takes 10 miles. You know, there isn't really anyone that has a you know, you can't really stop Lionel Messi. It's that damage limitations. So anyway, I think we did very well. We do, it was a very commendable performance. Uh, my personal opinion, which I think is what the majority of the internet is saying, Thomas Tushel, our manager, when we scored at 55 minutes, we then had a whole heap of time to basically park the bus and hold on. We made some substitutions, we made it a defensive uh lineup, um, and we stopped believing that we could score again, uh, which it has worked historically. It did not work. Um, it was you know brute. We lost the game in 10 minutes to go, you know. So absolutely brutal for the players. May I remind everyone that let's revert back to remembering Arsenal did win the league. Uh so big up Jed Spence, Declan Rice, uh Saka, you know, all the uh you know, all the Arsenal gang that played amazing in the World Cup. Gorn Harry Kane, obviously he's an ex-Purs, so I don't really like him, but the King really is is our Jude, isn't he?

SPEAKER_00

Big Jude Bellingham. Big Jude Bellingham. Yeah, I just I don't know. I that was the only I'll be honest with you, it's the only game I've watched. And clearly I'm not I'm not I'm not a great mascot, but I will watch, I will watch the final. When is it? Sunday.

SPEAKER_02

I will watch the final. I'm not a great at when is it? When Saturday night, no? I thought it was Sunday, no? Oh is it? Let's have a look.

SPEAKER_00

I've asked to go. I want to go to the cinema watched. Oh yeah, you're right. Yes, Sunday, eight o'clock. Thank you. Yeah, because I want to go and watch Toy Story three, five, Toy Story Five at the cinema tomorrow. Um and I've been told I can we can only go on Saturday because Sunday is the final, so I'll be booking my Toy Story 5 tickets tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02

Very different night, that isn't it. Toy Story Five versus Spain, Argentina.

SPEAKER_00

I think it sums up where my brain is right now. It just needs like a brain cuddle. So Toy Story Five for me, and that sounds that sounds fantastic. Some big old sleeps incoming. But yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_02

I think I need it. I think I need it too. And as as we approach the weekend uh for us, uh as you are listening to this, if you are a first listener, this will be a Sunday morning for you. So we hope that we have entertained you through what is potentially your Sunday long run. Good for you. Hopefully it's been a bit cooler, or if it's a Monday, maybe the start of your week. And um we we thank you for your your your cordial courtship of listening. And that's it from me, really.

SPEAKER_00

That's it for me, really. Yeah, absolutely. Have a wonderful, wonderful week ahead of you. Um eat your three for eight pounds or nine pounds, depending on which depending on which one you are, yes, exactly. Depends which MS you are. Stay vigilant, stay vigilant.

SPEAKER_02

Now that pound, that extra pound ain't go into trip can to tell you that.

SPEAKER_00

Watch that pound. But thank you so much for listening, and thank you for all your support as always. We hope you have a wonderful week, and we'll speak to you next week. Goodbye. Bye.