Ep35. Harry, boundaries & dog poo

In this episode, Laura and Sarah share personal updates, insights on industry trends, and explore the importance of boundaries and authenticity in the fitness and wellness space.

Chapters

00:00
Introduction and personal updates

02:14
Discussing pet loss and emotional resilience

03:59
Industry trends: corporate acquisitions and market shifts

07:57
The importance of boundaries in coaching and personal life

12:04
Balancing personal growth with professional responsibilities

15:51
Emerging trends: hybrid training and new footwear innovations

19:56
The role of vulnerability and authenticity in client relationships

25:11
The influence of social media and boundary setting

30:05
Practical tips for maintaining boundaries and self-care

35:00
Reflections on industry changes and personal peaks

40:01
Closing thoughts and future plans

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:04

Hello and welcome back to Fit for What, the no-nonsense evidence-based podcast that brings you the latest insight and opinions on the world of health and fitness with a bit of wellness, trying to help you live your fittest year yet. My name's Laura, and I completely made up that intro because what I need to tell you is I've got access to zero notes. I'm recording this from my mobile phone hunched over my desk at home. Poor Sarah has had to put up with 30 minutes of a load of nonsense on my internet connection. And somehow I feel like we've made it. I'm sweating, she's sweating, she's got period pains, I'm on the edge, nothing's changed here.

SPEAKER_03 0:47

Hello, and my name is Sarah. I am indeed on my period. Um I'm also a women's health hormonal coach, a PT, a business juggler is what I describe myself as right now. And yeah, as Laura rightly said, my period is trying to send me to sleep. But we are here 38 minutes to try to get this to work, but I think touch wood, this might happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

We might get recording out, guys. Yeah, the podcast might be about 22 minutes because I think our our patience has has just been pulled tighter than um than uh a nun's chief. But basically we chief basically I we haven't been here for a couple of weeks, um so I'm gonna I'm gonna face into the elephant in the room. Where the hell were you last week? I'll be really honest. I Sarah and I talk very open, probably too openly and honest on this podcast. And it has to be like we do prepare and we you know we write a plan of what we want to talk about, and that that seems professional, but we do normally just talk about what we actually think. And last week I, as you know, if you do follow me on social media, you will may have seen that I had some some really sad news in the family, and I just couldn't bring myself to be in any shape or form to try and have a you know have a positive chat that's recordable or even listen or listenable to. So yeah, we last I'll I'll just I'll I'll say it now and get it out of the way, and then we we can we can m move on to to the subjects. But yeah, we we're pet people, Sarah's we're cat people, and I've had a cat for 16 years, and yeah, he he he took his last little steps last week and it just absolutely flawed our entire family. Um, and if you are a pet owner uh or have a soul and a heart, you will probably relate to to just how how how rubbish it is when things like that happen, and you know when you get a pet. I've had pets before, I've had a couple of dogs, I've actually had six cats at pre-business in my life, and you just you just never you never want to think about, and I obviously, you know, if you've got a pet and you know it I don't want to talk about it too much, but you know, we hope we outlive our pets, but that's also rubbish as well. So yeah, Lord Harold, Harold Sr. Um he is up in the sky now. My mum is is so terribly deeply sad about it. Um, but I will just I think I've mentioned it before, I can't remember if it's on the podcast, but he was actually bought for me in conjunction with my mum. She they rescued him from Batsu Cats and Dogs Home 16 years ago from my first ever long-term boyfriend. Um, I would binned him, and he thought, well, hang on a minute, what can I do to try and get her back? Because we've been together for many, many years, like 12 years. Anyway, he thought, I know she really wants a cat, which is a great idea, and it did work in the short term. And I was obsessed with this cat, as I still am, and he just he wore a little tuxedo. And anyway, my ex was really into Michael Jackson, and we were just absolutely beside ourselves, delighted that we've brought this this fella in. And um, two weeks later I binned him and kept Harold. So he was a sick, I was a single mum, uh single pet mum. And then over the years, as I've moved around London and all sorts, mum and mum and dad, mum was like, well, I'll have to have him. I'm like, well, let's remember who got him. You're gonna have to help me out here so that I can uh be a little bit all over the place. But yeah, he's you know, mum says he's your cat, but he was mum's cat. Yeah. So yeah, so uh yeah, so lot, yeah, long long story, long story short, I just couldn't bear it. Couldn't bring myself to. It was just crying my little eyes out, as was my mum. Um we just couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_03 4:29

No, I get it. Honestly, I it's we we we were all dreading the day, weren't we? We and we spoke we had spoken about it quite a lot, but you never think it's gonna happen. And it's I've been there as well. Like I was talking to a I've spoken to a few people about it in the last couple of weeks. I feel like sadly with the heat, I've heard of a couple of close friends losing pets, and it's it's the worst. Like they literally are family. And I've been through it a a number of times and nothing prepares you for it. You just we we don't deserve animals, and I I adore my pet cat Diego. Like I honestly, I don't I can't even get my head around him not being there in the future. Like it's and they're family, and it's grief is grief. And I I uh actually I was talking to tell you who I was talking to, I was talking to a client of mine who's a vet, and I said, I just don't feel like pet grief is taken as seriously as it should be. Like they are family, and she actually said to me, Well, actually, there's a there are a number of now grief counsellors who are kind of specifically trained in kind of lots of pets, and I was like, Well, yeah, I can so see the need for that. They are literally your shadow for 15 plus years. So when you need absolutely breaks your heart. So no, I totally understood why you need to take some time, lovely, and sending love and hugs to both you and your mum, but and of course the worst and my dad do you know what my dad my dad was devastated as well.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

It's just one of those, it's just one of those things. So, yeah, big up to all the the the pet mums and dads, cousins, all of that. It's um it's sad, but I just as I kept trying to say to mum, I was like, it's the price you pay, you know, for having something that you you're gonna miss so much. Um and you know, he wasn't unwell for long, all of that, you know, good stuff that we can really try and reframe in our heads. So yeah, apologies for for not being here last week. And I can't tell you really what else I did last week. I think I just cried. Oh well we went to IB the Weybridge, didn't we? We went to IB. Oh yes, we did. We did do that on the what was that after? It was the Wednesday or before.

SPEAKER_03 6:24

It's before we went, we yeah, we had a lovely trip. We both weirdly I didn't even talk about this, but we book booked the same week off work, which was a bit spooky. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Oh yes, I had a week off work. God about that.

SPEAKER_03 6:36

Yeah, so we had a week, both had a week off work separately. Uh what did we do? I didn't do a lot, and do you know what? It was so nice. It was like just coming off of timetable, I call it. Like, I think both you and I, and I'm sure a lot of people listening, my diary and my time is like literally hour to hour time block. There's always something that is accounted for in that day. So actually just been like, I'm not gonna set an alarm, I'm gonna go and train when I want, saw a couple of friends, got my hair done. Look I'm gonna say you've had your hair done. I haven't seen you since you've had your hair done. Yeah, I'm a bird, it's good. Thank you, darling. Yeah, it's it's just rinsed, um recently rinsed um post-gym. But yeah, just it was, you know what? It was so nice to slow down. And I think I filmed a video to put on Instagram, but I forgot to put it up. But I think it made me realise that actually, I don't know, I've I don't I don't think I've spoken about it that much on the pod itself, but I'm kind of juggling a couple of new business ventures that I'm in the process of setting up right now, which is super exciting. But I think when you're in that kind of like rush, rush, rush state and you're kind of hour to hour doing here, there and everywhere, you can make some decisions quite on the fly. And I think that week last week came to me at a really good time because it actually gave me a bit of time to actually sit back and process you know. I think we spoke about it a couple of weeks back on the pod about the kind of being bored and having some time to actually think more creatively, but it actually gave me some time to actually kind of work things through and logistics and ideas and frameworks through a little bit more clearly without being like, FACK, you've got an hour to make this decision now, and then this needs to be pushed and stuff. So no, it was a nice weekend. Then I went down to Cornwall last weekend. That's also another reason why we couldn't recall because I was unavailable. I was actually at a very close friend's wedding down in Cornwall, which was absolutely gorgeous. I was it was with um a few of my school friends that I haven't seen for about five or six years, and it was just really nice. Like we just had loads of catch up on, the weather was gorgeous, got to dress up, it was just really nice. So I had a bit of a mini stay cation, and then yeah, back to it this week. So yeah, it's been busy, but yeah, we've we've we've certainly not stopped have we in the last two weeks.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

No, well I've just remembered I actually went to Glasgow for the Commonwealth Games. I totally forgot that I even went to that. Yeah, that was crazy. It was the Thursday, so we we left the sunbed on Wednesday, and then I basically went home packed, went to sleep for a little bit, and then I had to I was up at 2 a.m., out the door at 3 a.m. Arrived at my friend's house at 4am to drive to the airport for 5am for a 6am flight. We got to Glasgow at 8 30am. We had waited for someone else who was landing at 10am, had breakfast, traveled to the arena for the men's um what category was it? Men's 100 kilo, 102s, I think, category at 11 till 1. Then we had lunch, one till two. So this is this is just like spending my my life hour by hour. Uh and then so the reason why I was there is my friend Crystal, uh Crystal Campbell on Instagram, she is Daryl Chris, um and she is uh an Olympic weightlifter, and she's a very good one too. Um, and she is Jamaican and she she's lived in in the UK for most of her life, but she has a Jamaican passport, and she qualified to uh lift um in the 86 plus category at the Commonwealth Games, which is absolutely unbelievable and incredible. She was the only representative from Jamaica, um, and she was also in her group was GB athlete Emily Campbell. So I had both my favourite Campbell's uh lifting, so it was two for the two for the price of one, and it was just unbelievable. And I forgot because I've been out I've been honest, I've been out of the weightlifting scene, let's call it, for quite a while now, like a year. I've haven't been on pro weightlifting programme since last August. So yeah, it's it's basically been a year, and I went back and it was just it was basically a room full of people that I knew from London or or or in and around, you know, the weightlifting. It was so nice, and so many people have made the effort. I mean, time-wise, obviously it's a day out, but financially, it's not cheap to go and do all of that, to buy tickets and blah blah blah, all of that. So it was just you know what, just so wonderful to see all of these people that are investing their time and money to go and support people in their in their things, their sort of life goals. Um, but yeah, they were amazing. Uh Crystal did amazing. She did, she snatched 76 kilo and just about uh uh made her last cleaning jerk 100 kilos. She really sent us all into a spiral because she missed her two first two clean and jerks, uh, which is unlike her. But the nerves and the you know, the event, the occasion, I can't even imagine. You know, I can't I can't lift if someone sneezes in the corner of the gym. So I, you know, mad respect to all of that. And and Emily, she actually broke the Commonwealth Games clean and jerk records. So just have a think about what you squat or deadlift in the gym now. And I'm gonna tell you, she cleaned and jerked 163 kilos. And just to see it in real life is just bonkers. Like she's just such a not only is she an incredible athlete, she's just such a sound girl, she's such a cool girl, she's so humble, so supportive of other people, no matter what you lift, you know, she she wants to show people, you know, particularly, you know, let's let's say like big bigger girls. If you if you're you know the the the the internet and society and the fitness industry, if you are, you know, that that way inclined, you're probably well catered for if you're sort of tall, thin, you know, white, blonde, all of that. So she's just like so passionate about diversity and representation, and I just absolutely love that she gets the opportunity to do that, you know. So that was sick, and I was back in in and out in a day. So yeah, we we what we watched that and then we flew, um we flew back. Um I got home mega late, and then fast forward a week, um, I've been doing loads of stuff this week. I went to a mate's run club, went to Anne's run club. She's just started. I actually can't pronounce the run club. I won I want to uh punch herself in the face for this. Um because really I should know how to pronounce it. But it it basically it's a what it means nonsense. Um it's like the nonsense run club. If you know Anne uh on Instagram, she's at curly50s, she's a legend. So yeah, I went and yeah, she's so funny. She's um she certainly yeah, she brings the buzzballs to the run club. That's uh that's for certain. So yeah, that done that, and then yesterday I went to something that I can't talk about. I hate being that person. Um yeah, but uh yeah, I was um went to Sheffield yesterday with a bunch of mates, um and can't can't talk about it. That is that's influences. I'm working on something really exciting by this. It's like the most cringe thing, yeah. It's like click this link, click on this link, swipe up to hear my nonsense later. But no, it it was it was amazing, it was very, very high uh stimulation environment. I had to I had to wear my Uncle John glasses and I was cursing myself that I didn't bring my loop earplugs. One of my mates bought me a pint of mon white monster and off we went. Um, but yeah, lots of track lots of travel again yesterday, up and down in the day to Sheffield. Um and yeah, just um unbelievable scenes. So that will be the January pod. I'll be able to tell you all about it. But for now, and if you know me well or if you follow me on socials, you might have a little guess, but I actually can't say anything. So that is that. Lips are sealed, amazing.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

No, we've yeah, busy, busy, busy gals, but I was having a little scan of what's been going on in the world of health and fitness in the last couple of weeks. Oh my god, so much. Some big things. Um, the ones that I made a note on on a plan that Laura can't see. That I can't see, yeah. Um, and I think we both are very aware of this, the fact that there's this Gen X in terms of spending in the wellness and um health and fitness base. They're a really big spender, and I think obviously I have particularly experiences it firsthand with a lot of my client-based being um of the Gen X generation. Um and basically Gen X again, remind me what age group is that? Let me get this specific age, uh, a date of birth. You're you're a Gen X. What? No, I'm not millennial. She bit, she bit, she bit. So born between 1965 and 1980. You bastard. But basically the Fit Insider, which is actually a really good page to follow Instagram and have a scroll. They've always got some really interesting um findings anyway, but they had found that Gen X is in their peak earning and spending years, which we know, um, and they're projected to surpass I find the word, I find I struggle with saying the surpass, surpassed $20 trillion by 2033, as they are spending for both their parents, their children, and themselves. Um, and it seems that Gen X appear to be less influenced by trends and fads. They're quite comfortable with what they deem as balance, they're still drinking alcohol, they're still having a bit more of a um uh how would we say it? A bit more, bit more kind of normal in avertic commas, whatever normal means, life and approach to it. Um and they seem to be mainly driven by efficacy and convenience rather than um these trends and TikToks and social media things we see. So, but yeah, I I was like, yeah, I I hear that and I see that, especially with the work that I do in terms of hormonal health and and well-being. This generation are happy because they can invest in themselves and their and their wellness and their longevity. So I saw that and I was like, yeah, I can see that actually happening in in my in my um bubble anyway. So I'm sure that that is going to have a massive impact in terms of the bigger brands. Um did you see, Mrs. Supplements, that PG have acquired Thorn. Thorn, yeah. Eight bills.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

Yeah, so it so that's obviously it's a wild number, so it's $3.8 billion. But what's uh most fascinating for me is the multiplier of the the rev. So it's an eight times you normally see in in some of the supplements, acquisitions, mergers that we have seen, or all the buyouts that we've seen over the last couple of years, I would say the average multiple. So when I talk multiple, I so sorry if you know I'm talking about, but I just I would uh hate myself if uh I didn't just explain, just in case. So a multiple is you look at the the annual revenue that the business makes, and then you basically value a business on a multiple of of that rev. So the the the normal multiple. So say you had a business, Sarah, a million quid, you probably sell it for five, yeah. Yeah, um so the average multiple multipliers like four, four, five. This was like eight, real standout uh one. And so I actually at Procter Gamble head office is actually in Weybridge, um obviously where where I grew up, and I actually had an interview for them. I got the job, um, but I did I decided not to take it um because I got offered uh a job from uh Proctor and Gamble PG and at the same time L'Oreal, and I I chose L'Oreal but Proctor and Gamble are one of the biggest FMCG, global giants, many, many brands uh that you will know um from like Tides, uh, Olay, Duracell, you know, you kind of sell these brands, but like they're they're just so huge in size. And what we have seen in consumer goods businesses is that they are seeing, as we have talked about for 34 episodes, and this is the 35th, we are seeing the growth. But as soon as it's commercially savvy, you're gonna see these big boys and girls come in and want to try and and and take a bit. And the heart that and what makes me a little bit sad is that what I have seen, especially in electrolytes, there's thousands of brands. So, like there's so many supplements brands that have started. Some are really cool, some have complete dog shit and chances. But it takes it takes a lot, you know, the in the initial upfront investment, you know, the cost of acquisition to get a customer, where are you selling, the time it takes to get retail distribution. PG are like, no, we can't, we're not doing that from scratch. Thorn, as a brand, global brand, are so well trusted. Yes. Uh, and you know, they're very uh clinical, they look, they've got, you know, the look and feel is very pharmaceutical, and they've just gone, we'll have a bit of that. And what I find fascinating is already, and this is just my clapped algorithm, it's just supplements and wellness obsessed, the algorithm is full of people going, Well, that's it then. Now PNG, I've acquired, you know, bought thorn, I'm not gonna buy thorn anymore. People just hate the big people just don't like big corporations and and and especially in wellness, and it'll be interesting to see how does the brand do because publicly available information, grenade as an example, as a brand. Have you heard a grenade recently?

SPEAKER_03 20:06

No.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

No, it was everywhere about three years ago, three and a half years ago, when they launched the Oreo Protein Bar, and protein bars were absolutely massive. Uh, and then they got acquired, they got bought out uh by Mondeley's uh big big corp. Uh, and what is expected is there's lots of cuts, there's lots of scaling, you know, they re-engineer engineer the formula to make it potentially more profitable, um, all of that stuff. So I just think it's great business for Thorn, but is it bad good or bad for the consumer? We don't yet know. Yeah, I hadn't even thought of it like that, actually, but that's such a fair point.

SPEAKER_03 20:45

I I think Yeah, it's interesting. Because I Thorn, I think Thorn and Pure Encapsulations are the two brands that I have have kind of bought from previously myself in terms of I deem them as kind of very reputable brands, but yeah, I hadn't even thought that from a from a consumer's perspective, how much that will have an impact. So fair point, Mrs. Supplements.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

That was like I I just heard myself there and I'm sadly so passionate about it onto. I can't believe it. I know it's I know it's my work also, but yeah, just it's just uh it's interesting for me to see my sort of my FMCG experience, you know, brands like L'Oreal, Unilever, and and sort of other wellness brands have always stayed really, really niche. Yes, but now we're seeing the big corporate boys are trying are trying to have a go. And what I do see is like it's yeah, like we were saying, it's like this clash between authenticity and the boys in the boys and girls in the suits. It's like, well, I'm buying into that brand because I believe that it was curated and formulated to the highest standards for me, my personal needs. Yeah. Oh, if they if them lot have got it, well, I bet they didn't give a shit what's in it. They'll throw all the fillers, emulsifiers. And that might not even be the case. Um and what I'm what I'm hearing in Thorn, again, publicly available uh opinion. Uh is that it will just be like a caretaking situation that the people of Thorn will continue and there's no changes for at the moment. So it's it's fascinating. Yeah, obviously I'm fascinated by it and I'll keep a close eye and see what happens. But sadly, what I do see is when the big corporate buys you out, it's people start to lose faith a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

Yeah, yeah, it's a point, it's a point. Um, and finally, I wanted to see uh have you I hadn't seen this until I went on the Fit Insider page. Um, Nike have launched a high rox trainer, the Nike Hybrid. Have you seen this?

SPEAKER_01 22:36

I have seen it, and I asked my mate who likes shoes. I was like, what do you think of this? She she was like, can't comment until I've tried it. But it just look it looks like uh a zoo, it looks very cushiony. Why have they all got such big heel stacks? I guess it's for the wall wall balls or something, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

Well, I bloody need I need a stiletto still wall ball in, but um yeah, I saw that and I thought interesting because obviously they shut down those studios, didn't they? And I think they've going full full force into the the hybrid world. But yeah, I was talking, I think I was talking to a colleague at the gym the other day, and we were just talking about high walks generally. It's so funny how like I feel like we have the same conversations. Like all trainers and people in the industry have the same c conversations, but I just I just can't still can't believe that high rocks, it just seems to be getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. Like, oh when when is it gonna when is this bubble gonna burst? But I don't think it is for a long time. Like the fact that Nike are now developing a trainer, like I don't know, to me it feels like oh are we done yet? Are we are we are we like I and that I know we've discussed it in uh great detail, the the wins and losses of of Hyrux as a as a modality, but um yeah, I was like, oh my god, it's still going. Like Nike Nike have launched a whole shoe around it, so it's not going anywhere, I don't think.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

So yeah, but you could say Nike are late to the party then.

SPEAKER_03 24:00

That's also what was my initial reaction was like, oh hang on a sec. Like we I is there a need? Like, is there market demand for another shoe?

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Um I think so.

SPEAKER_03 24:09

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

I think so. Like if you think of the speed and volume frequency of of running shoe launches, like it's quarterly, or or at least you know, seasons, autumn, winter, you know, that's sort of the cadence that over the years that I've seen of launches, or someone like Rad, I mean they used to launch a new shoe every month, but it was more aesthetic, it was the same type of shoe. Uh yeah, I just do I do think it's like the demand, all these people are doing this hybrid sport, and back in the day, like I remember this is long, long, long time ago in 1962, as I'm Gen X, whatever you call me. I remember trying to get a pair of trainers for netball and being told you need a cross trainer. And I remember just being absolutely disgusted at the look of because I obviously I like shoes that look good, and that's always been the case for me. And I just looked at this cross trainer, it looked like a tennis shoe, and I was like, that's disgusting. So I would have so I would always have like a Nike trainer, but it was like a running shoe basically. But the demands of netball and sport does need lots of change of direction. Yes, you're doing some forward running and some some speed work, but you do need lots of change of direction. So I think whenever that there is volumes or mass participation around a different training stimulus or event, you know, you're gonna get the big giants come in with oh, we've got you know, it's it's it's marketing 101, it's problem solution. Exactly. So you need, you need what you need, it couldn't possibly be Derek, that you're just not fast enough. Uh it's actually your shoes, Derek. And I think we talked about it before. There's some meme going round that it's like, you know, I it basically it's taking the piss out of me with my massive sunglasses, my carbons, my fucking ultra trail gilet to do a 5k, and then you've got like the bloke who's beat who won park run, is like an old Assex Plimp Souls. Yeah, you know, he's got nothing but raw dogged a bit of a cup of water before he started. You know, we we are told that we need all of this stuff to optimise our performance. I don't know. It I do think there's a placebo effect, look good, you know, feel good. That'll take take you into, you know. I I know that with even certain medications or or or supplements, supplementation, you know, if you say, right, if you take this tablet before bed, you'll sleep better. Guarantee there's a placebo effect, oh I should sleep better. So if you're getting these hybrid shoes, you should perform better. Um but let's see, I don't I don't know. But where there's where there's some passion, there's a shoe for it, and there's a new product for it, and there's a supplement for that, and you know, like we've seen the boom of electrolytes, you know, we don't all need we don't we're all drowning in sodium and um it you know if if it makes you feel better, sure.

SPEAKER_03 26:54

Crack on. Exactly. But yeah, talking about um conversations I've been having with I've been I've been very very chatty this week, it would appear. But I was having a really interesting chat with a couple of colleagues at the gym the other day, and we got into the conversation of like boundaries in the fitness industry and how Well, there aren't any. Well, yeah, it's that exactly that. Like how and I think from in I think from a trainer's perspective, and I think obviously you you've experienced this first hand as well, Laura, like it's actually really hard to maintain any kind of boundary as a trainer. I know we've briefly touched on this in terms of kind of the burnout idea before, but it's so interesting how how it doesn't feel like the fitness industry is taken particularly seriously. It feels like there's a lack of structure, there's a lack of boundaries, those boundaries, if they are in place, seem to be blurred a lot. Um, I mean, I and I've experienced that myself, I think, from like a trainer-client um kind of relationship before. Like my my full transparency, my one of my bestest, bestest friends now is an ex-client of mine. We met, I trained her for three years, and she's now one of my closest friends, and it was like actually, it is really hard to maintain those boundaries. And I we kind of haven't we haven't, I think it was about a 45-minute chat. We were kind of between classes and we had a really kind of deep chat about why we think it is, and I think there's so many elements to it. Um but yeah, I mean I mean, how do you feel on that? Do you agree? Do you think it's like a it's about a boundaryless industry?

SPEAKER_01 28:30

100%. And if you had a boundaryless PT on social media, it's it's chaos, and I guess that's what I've that's been my life for 10 years. Yes. And I definitely think that the the pot the positive at all really s severely outweighs the challenges. And I do think I brush a lot under the carpet, but also I'm not very con I'm not a very controversial person. I don't use social media for any really lot like I don't sell a lot of I don't sell a lot of things on social media. I I I can't I have historically earned money as a direct or indirect result of social media, but I put a lot of my life, you know, you've got a pretty good idea about my life and me as a person by either coming to my class or following me on social media. And if you've got both, you've you've seen you've seen both. And you know, so no, I don't think there are any boundaries. Yes, I agree with you, it's really hard to do because I do think that showing vulnerability as a coach is a a really positive thing to help draw people out of their own vulnerabilities because it can be a very intimidating space. And I think personally, uh the clientele that I've trained over the years, I definitely have been more akin to a woman who maybe hasn't had a lot of confidence, so it's like I've been I've been that person, and I think naturally, as you are trying to help and coach and explain to a client, like don't worry if it doesn't feel perfect now. I you know, I would very easily not that it's about me, but I guess it's showing them lived in examples to say, I remember being where you were, and and you know, I'm I'm stood here right now as I'm I'm the one that's telling you, right? So I I think it's that transparency and vulnerability and an emotionally led conversation can really help you as a coach. However, I also think I've experienced the negative side that if uh if there was a period of my life where I felt I could be really transparent and really open and that was working really well for everyone, and we all felt like, and then there were probably people, and I'm gonna say this with love, that thought that we were really good friends, and that's not to say that we weren't or I didn't like them, but that it's there's a parasocial relationship that people have with me. I think I know Kim Kardashian, I think we're mates, yeah, we don't, but I follow her and I and I and I watch her, so I think there there probably have been times where you know I I try my best and it's really it's hard not to sometimes. If you're going through something personally, it's really hard for that not to come out in your coaching. And I hate to say that, but people will notice they will if they if they see you often and you're so transparent, then they will say, Is everything okay? And then you know, then it ultimately you start to spill. And and that's I really don't want to be doing that because I'm the coach. It is absolutely not about me. But sometimes the client feels like they want to help. So I don't know, yeah. It's just it's mad. It's mad, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 31:44

We're trying to really break it down. I actually had like had a bit of a a deep think into it. I was like, there's I think there's so many factors that like play into it. I think you're spot on then. I've been there firsthand. Like I definitely am, to some extent, probably too much of an open book sometimes, but I also think that's why I've got some really wonderful relationships with my clients because I am they trust me. They know if I'm feeling shit, I'm gonna tell them. I'm not gonna put on a I but I think I've got better, and it's taken me a hell of a lot of time, that like even if I'm having a shit time, I'm I am quite good at just putting a mask on. If someone asks me, Sarah, are you okay? I'll be honest, but I'm I still try and kind of really keep the session about the client or the absolutely it's what it's work. It's work. But this is the thing, and I was looking, I was like thinking about the other day because I was at actually when I was sat in the hairdressers, I was like, God, like it must be a similar situation for a hairdresser where someone comes into you, maybe they're not feeling their best, they've come in, they're kind of feeling physically that you're gonna help them feel better about themselves by having your hair done. We know how good we feel once we've had a fresh, fresh set of highlights or whatever. But then I was thinking, hang on a sec, I only see my hairdresser twice a year, probably, three times a year if I'm lucky. So as much as an in it's a it's an intense period of time, they don't have that same frequency and duration that a trainer or a coach or a um a one-to-one specialist would have. Um, but also I think there's an element to it that we probably don't talk about enough is the fact that as a coach, you're physically so close to your clients, there's touch correction, there's movement, there's all these kinds of things. Actually, I think like the talking therapist or the counsellor talks about vulnerability in like an abstract concept, whereas like we're literally uh helping people when they're in a vulnerable position physically and mentally. Like it's a really different uh position that you're in, and consistently with someone, if you're seeing someone twice or three times a week and you're helping them regularly, there's no way that you'd let someone be that physically close to you if you didn't trust them. And I think that's a really big thing that we probably don't talk about that much. Like actually, if for someone to touch you, that's a really that's a real kind of um god, like a trusting situation, isn't it? Like even when you go to be Jack Court, you you have to trust the people you're with to allow them to be that physically close to you. And I think there's not many jobs where you'd have someone that close to you regularly. Um and also there's another thing that I was thinking about in terms of like I th I I think I've spoken to a lot of clients, and I think I spoke to my therapist about this last year. Like, there's such strict like institutional scaffolding around something like a talking therapist or a GP or a doctor. They've got really clear like c clinical codes of conduct, but we don't have that in the fitness industry. There's no supervision, there's no kind of touching base with a professional that you go to to discuss stuff that you do in those settings as well. So I think there's so many different like parts to it. Um, and I think the main thing that I was talking about with the other guys was like the communication channels. Like I organise my diaries and I have over years on WhatsApp. So like, where is the boundary there? Like I'm talking to Laura about Kim Kardashian and whatever, and then I'm I'm also also organising meetings and consultations the next week on WhatsApp as well. It's like there's no like distinction, and that's something that I've actually I'm seeking to sort out because otherwise you end up working so much. But it's so easy. Like a client now has just sent me blessed like photos of what she's been up to this win, and of course I care, of course I want to know that. But it's like, God, you have oh no, what's happened.

SPEAKER_02 35:28

It started again.

SPEAKER_03 35:30

Oh, mine's still running. Okay. Mine's still running, 39. Let's keep going, let's keep going, we'll see what happens. Okay. Um Wow, okay. Um, but yeah, so yeah, it's interesting. It's like there's no clear like channel of communication. It just it just blurs into one. So I think yeah, there's lots and lots of reasons why there's no boundaries in the industry, but I was like, I used I used to have um because I used to teach classes across London, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_01 35:56

I used to get like, hi, sorry I'm free five minutes late. What do you think I'm doing in that uh the class has started? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I'm not on my phone. But because it's me and they see me often and I like them and I'm encouraging, and we have really positive interaction. And if I could, I would absolutely help, but it is be it's out of my hands. The class has started. Yeah. So like what what what do I what do I do? Do I adhere to the rules of you've missed the warm-up, I don't believe it's safe and and fair for the rest of the group who were here on time. I know you've probably had a nightmare on transport, it's not your fault. You had the greatest intent. I'm so sorry, what do you want me to do? So it's it's like it's my it becomes my fault, and I feel very uh responsible um for that. Yeah, I mean multiple I it's it's like a gift and a curse of like when I worked obviously at my previous gym, which you know, each gym sort of a couple of hundred members, I know everything about them. I I know absolutely everything. Yeah. I know and they they spend more time with me than some of their close friends. Uh-huh. And I am an empathetic person and I do want to I do want them to feel like it's a safe space. And I do in between sets want them to, you know, well we're not just going to stand there in silence and the look no look at the clock. Like, of course, like that's part of it. So yeah, I do I do think the the social elements of being a a a a good PT, I think like you say with a hairdresser, I love my hairdresser. Um we chat about all sorts of shit. So when I think about my hairdresser, yes, fundamentally I love my hair, but secondarily, not a word, secondarily, um, I the experience is great because the time goes really fast. Yeah, and you know, it's a it's a bit of escapism for me. And I do think more and more fitness is so social. Um, and people are go, yes, we're doing a couple you know, we're doing a couple of lunges, whatever. Like I did a workout this morning, we're just you know, eight people in a room, some tunes, it was um 100 kekabell swings, it was 80 lunges, it was 60 burpees, it was 40 push-ups, it was 20 goblet squats, it was 10 devil press, uh rest two minutes, go back up again. It wasn't I could just do that on my own. Yeah. But we've all suffered and been vulnerable together, and I've seen Rob in the corner really struggling on his burpees. So I just think when you put yourself in a vulnerable position, you let your guards down, you trust the environment that you're in, because not everyone's very confident and everyone walks into the gym feeling different. I just think what a pr what a fucking privilege it is to be able to be chosen. All these clients could go, there's thousands of PTs. I know. You could go anywhere, but you have chosen, and I take that responsibility so seriously, but so seriously, probably to the detriment of ourselves, because it is really hard to regulate. It's not a hard job, it's the best job, but energy-wise, it is the hardest to regulate. And you know, when the class is over, I don't suddenly get wheeled into the back, I'm still stood there, and everyone's like, so what are you up to this weekend? And I'm you know, I want to have that, of course I want to have that conversation, but there are no boundaries. Yes. Um, and I think also for me, what I have what I have found is, and I know I say this a lot, so apologies if you're listening and you're like, yeah, we get it. Social media is not real. Like, it is not real. What I post on social media is what I have chosen. If I think about what have I chosen to post today, I've chosen I've posted my whoop recovery score and uh half of my shoe and and leg and some random meme. What else have I posted? A picture of me having done a workout class. That's it. Yeah, you look fantastic. That's kind. Oh, okay. So here's the great example. I feel like shit. I feel I feel like I look dreadful. Come on. But I I try to e I looked at the picture and I was like, oh, I don't feel very good about that. But I was like, no, still post it. Yeah. Still post it because it is that is what you look like today, and whatever I think about it, I you know, I just want I've tried if anything, I just try and be consistent. Maybe I could maybe I could have written on it saying I feel like shit today, but anyway, I I don't know. I just think people people report to me and tell me, oh, I've seen you you look like killing it at the moment, it's always been the way. Yeah, but I'm knackered. No one saw me listening to Baby Shark ten times yesterday at in Sheffield Arena, and I've done a lot of travel, I've I had to take I was working all day as well, so I just yeah, there's no boundaries, we love it, we really do, but it's we you're not allowed to have an off day, you're not.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

No, that's very true. It is true, and I think you're spot on with the fact that it is such a pri I think that's the thing is I see it as such a privilege that someone's come to. I've had like a real influx of new clients recently, but they're all of them are are older, they're kind of 65 plus, and the fact that they're trusting me when they feel in a particularly vulnerable state to teach them a new skill is like oh a compliment. Like 100%. I started with a new client this week, she turned she turned 75 yesterday. Like how similar to me. How how amazing is that? Like, she's come to me and she's messaged me, she's like, Thank you so much. Like this that you feel like the perfect person for this. I was like, oh my god, like I'm yes, I'm juggling a lot right now. Yes, I'm probably a little bit tired, but do you know what? I this I've had like a real like this is the best job ever. Like I've just fallen back in love with it again, and it's just it and I I and you're so right, there's there's cost to it 100%. That there's no boundaries, but do you know what? Like I feel so lucky that people trust me to to to kind of skirt those boundaries with them. Totally. No, and I think we're we're both we I think we've probably both had situations where perhaps the boundary has been crossed and lessons have been learnt. But I've I'm very lucky that I can now say, look, I've got my back to safety boundaries are non-negotiable to me. And they I know that we we we're not talking about safety boundaries, we're talking about kind of other boundaries here. But you yeah, you have to do stuff to put yourself in a place where you feel safe 100% as a trainer.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

Um I also I also think for you, uh I've observed and we've talked about it, and I'm quite similar. You feel like you need to reply immediately if someone's messaged you and you'll say, sorry, I went to the toilet or something, it's like okay. Okay, but I did but I do the same. Like I would never think, but fucking hell, why is she? How rude. But if our phone our phones are pinging ever all the time. And I could I it could be a full-time job just sat on like I don't sound like a knob when I'm saying that, I don't mean to sound like that, but you could you could end up, I can see why people, you know, the whole doom scroll and screen time, if you don't just section it off and just go, I just don't need to look, I don't need to reply. Yeah, and I I I also think very honestly, if I am in a position where I'm not feeling good about myself or I haven't given myself enough time, not in a selfish way, but I've definitely felt myself becoming a bit more irritable to others' behaviour within a gym setting, which is my workplace. And I'll give you an example. There is a gorgeous woman who's 85, and I used to run the community classes um in in Vauxhall, and she used to come every week half an hour early, and she'd come and she'd bring a newspaper and she'd give me the whoever was coaching at the time, and she'd give them the newspaper. And I remember thinking, I don't want to read the newspaper, and I was thinking, Fuck off, that is someone's nan. She has come half an hour early because she feels happy and safe here. Yeah, and she comes here every week, and she tells me at the end that you know, thank you. so much and she's so grateful and she knows she's sleeping better and and it it sometimes it just I horrify myself when I when you get irritable for things like that and it's like it's not that person it is completely on me because I haven't I haven't filled my cup enough to take the fact that she's brought me a newspaper half an hour early. Do you know what I mean? I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to be honest in a way that yeah we all get we all get it.

SPEAKER_03 44:24

We all get it and it's a sign I think I had that the week before I had off and I think it's obviously because I knew I was having a week off I was exactly the same I was getting aggravated by stuff that I would never normally get aggravated and it's like I could stop stop a second like you're receiving someone and they and they're all they're doing this out of love and it's because they trust you and they feel safe like just be grateful for that and I I have to have stern words with myself sometimes to be like look like this might feel overwhelming at the minute because every you feel like everyone's putting that stuff on you but that is it's the greatest compliment as well that people trust exactly and they want to be they want to be in your space so yeah it's a sign for me that I'm like okay need a break now need some time away from work um but yeah I totally hear you but yeah it's hard it's hard it's it's and I don't I don't there's no answer but things like for me I like my phone I've got got one phone that I think is about to die a death um but I'm gonna keep that as a business phone and get a new one because actually I can feel as as business starts to creep up which is a real blessing as well in itself I need to for my brain have separate phones because I know that I can get a good idea in that space again where I'm constantly working which for me I know for my mental health is not a good thing. So yeah that's what I've decided that's that's a exclusive I am getting a work phone because otherwise I'm on my phone way too much.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

Yeah I I totally agree and the the the older I get the more I tell myself it is always a me problem and the reason why I say that is because that's the only thing that I have control of I can't control what anyone else does and on another day when she comes half an hour early with her newspaper I could be like welcome what a gorgeous day it is thanks so much for the newspaper I'm gonna read that later take a seat and I'll be with you in half an hour. Takes the same time and I just it it it depends on on where you're at and I just think it's also we're human right and I I I do think it we need to acknowledge it and just say right what can I do differently to enable my cup to be as full as it can be or if you can't fill the cup because I've we've definitely all been through seasons of that is I'm afraid you're gonna need to find another strategy which could be take yourself out of the environment wherever you can and just have that little outlet to yourself or a mate or whatever it is because it you know I've I've done years of thousands of hours in teaching classes I'm flipping deaf as a result and I've loved it and I don't regret a second but did I've put myself in the bin so often and did it maybe impact you know some of the other things that I could have gone on to do maybe who knows I don't know you know I I just think there there shouldn't be any medals for who can you know yes grafting is good I I love grafting. I think work hard think go and get it I really celebrate good graft but you've got you got you gotta have you gotta know and to switch the graft off and horizontal yourself with a a a can of trip. Oh and we did that I'm still working on it I'm still work like I'm being honest we do I'm I'm still learning.

SPEAKER_03 47:34

Yeah and I noticed that like you're when we had that day away like you're but I think it's because we were somewhere where you knew people Laura you're such a wonderful person you're so kind to everyone you come across even when she's relaxing everyone it no one is too great like too much too much worse no that's kind that's kind of you but someone approached me and I said here we'd fucking go to you and then I lost half an hour um but that's okay because you know I I had the rest of the day but I yeah I just think thank God you know we yeah we thank God that people choose us because it would be very sad if you know we weren't booked and busy and we didn't have the opportunity to graft and I firmly believe that personally that if I run into any troubles or I get run down I have to look at myself and my systems or my ability to speak up and give feedback.

SPEAKER_02 48:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:27

And if if I'm put in a let's say a work situation that is out of my control well I've got to say something. I've got to speak up and I've got to say here here I'm gonna this is a situation I'm gonna provide a potential solution what do you think? Yeah because I would no no one else wants any everyone's got enough problems. They don't want my problem as well with all due respect so consider it what's the solution propose a solution calmly move on. Yeah you nine times out of ten it's not a thing yeah um but anyway uh it's um yeah and I think just go on that and and giving feedback uh it's slightly related and something that I've been talking a lot about this week is just it's sort of aligned to that and boundaries is like how when is appropriate to give feedback and how do you so for example if you have a client who you think is overstepping your boundaries consistently how do you give that feedback in a way that because we can't we only can control how we deliver it we can't control how it was received if you've given feedback to someone say Sandra love you dearly you're my favourite clients but stop texting me on a Sunday night to arrange your appointments because I'm you know I'm doing my thing. So or or don't give a feedback and teach them that you will reply on Monday morning.

SPEAKER_03 49:47

That's exactly what I've realized that's the first step. That's exactly what I've realised I have to now because even last week when I was off I wasn't replying and I'd said like don't contact me I will not be contactable I wouldn't we'll not be replying. But you were contactable I could tell you that oh for sure for sure and I was like hang on a second I caught myself and there was a there was a lovely client of mine she kind of and I think because she hadn't heard back she started and I need it's a me thing I get back way too quickly I need to stop I need to start section time in my diary where I just anyway I had a message I'm not joking eight messages and I they were all lovely messages just letting me know what she was doing that week and I just thought and I she said and then one of the messages how are you getting on and I just sent her a photo of me on the sun lounger and she said get off your phone go back to relaxing I was like well I would if you stopped messaging me and it was like but she didn't know yeah it's mad though isn't it when you think about it now in hindsight she didn't know no they didn't exactly and I said don't worry look I'm fine I'm just I'm just not working and she's like okay no crack on carry on as you were and it was like a but I was like oh bless it's it's it's done with love and nasty I hate moaning about it because it's I'm in such such a privileged position but it can at the same time and it is hard and I think it would be the same in any setting when you've got a big friendship group or you've got a big family or you've got people who want your attention all the time it's hard work. It's whether it's good good energy or bad energy it's still hard work and we we go back to this so many times in terms evolutionary on that level as cavemen and cave women we weren't accessible to this many people we're not set up no I but I'm part but I'm telling everyone what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

I am the problem because I'm saying I've gone to the gym I'm doing this I've been here I'm thinking people are thinking well you've not replied to my text saying do you want to go for a coffee the two are not mutually exclusive I can live my life and do what I need it's not any it's not directed at you but you know that and that I I know that I am absolutely the problem when it comes to that like I've actually had like examples of in a professional setting someone has sent me a message on Teams I was off it tells them I'm off email they're getting out of office and then they've tried my Instagram DMs but I've seen it all so I'm like okay you've you've cut you try the next stage is you're turning up at my house and and and and asking me so and do you know what then I thought do you know what it would take me two seconds to help them and and I'm inclined to help and I I told someone else this and they were like oh that's not right you should you know you should say that you know tell them otherwise they'll never learn I thought if that's the worst thing I'm laughing yeah like if if if if my if if I um if my knowledge or something that I know is so important that someone is handing me down yeah to to to get information well I'm doing something right and I know that it doesn't that's probably sounds a bit toxic a little bit and that yes we should respect boundaries and yes annual leave should be a thing but also if that is the worst thing not a problem mate I'm absolutely happy you know to to to respond to that but I think we just we just have to yeah we have to ask ourselves how are we feeling when we're in experiencing this am I not feeling 100% I'm likely to take it worse. Yeah I'm feeling good yeah it's not a problem so I just it's just one yeah one of those things that I don't think there will ever really truly be boundaries and fitness due to a lot of the things that you've just explained it's a very vulnerable very person you know yes it's it sets and reps and whatever bollocks you can get on AI the PTs that will not go out of business are the ones that make you feel seen heard valued and that they are appropriately challenged to such an extent that they couldn't do themselves they're the PTs that will never go out of business. At the end of the day it's just a couple of squats on honesty I've gone round and round in in in circles with this in my in my career and you know I've I've I've definitely you know spoken about all this you know knowledge and insight and evidence based you know practices and of course everything is rooted in that but at the end of the day well I draw the line at a a star jump um but at the end of the day you know we just got to do what's gonna give that client the best hour of their day and help them pursue their their goals that they they've come to with and if actually we've helped them get out of their head for an hour well I'm delighted. Exactly no I couldn't agree more could not agree more but on that note what has been your peak of the week madam um well the secret yesterday the secret event yesterday was mad really really cool but I can't talk about it so what else? Do you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna big myself I'm gonna big myself up um today and I have through the practice of forcing it I've been starting to get more consistent with my training. You know the speech I have or I I've I've overtrained today I've been very silly I don't know what I'm running away I don't know what I'm meant to be running away from today but I did I went to Jiu Jitsu this morning yeah I didn't post on Instagram because I never like to give the impression that I'm doing too much but today I did do too much and I I I know I know I did but I just don't want it I don't want to show like hustle cult like you've got to do all the things um so yeah I I but I I feel like I'm I'm in it I've got I've got myself um not anyone needs to do this just a personal decision but I I stood on the inbody which is a a machine that uh measures your body composition you know it's not 100% accurate nothing really ever is um it's a steer but I've lost a no surprise I've lost uh a a kilo and a half of muscle mass I ran it off all year and and and actually that was quite big for me to get back on that because in my head I was like it's not going to be what it was not going to be what it was don't go and step on that thing and I did and I'm glad that I ripped pulled the plaster off personally it doesn't work for everyone no one needs to know that information to be honest um but I it helped me it's it's mo it's motivational for me to be like right okay I know where I am it's it's what I thought um let's start building some muscle again and I'm you know I'm doing that in many ways my sleep hasn't been fantastic but I'll get there and but yeah I'm I'm following my training programme and starting to do some more weightlifting and starting to yeah just starting to want to do it um and reminding myself in the sport of jujitsu that I'm you know there's a fellow who keeps taking I feel like he's taking the piss out of me but that's because I'm sensitive about it. He says are you gonna bring that white belt heat today and I'm like oh so in my head I'm like oh so sorry I've not started this sport as a black belt. He's just joking it is a joke. Maybe he feels awkward maybe doesn't know what to say to me maybe it just came out his mouth and it is banter that is what I'm going with yeah but I'm like oh god I'm gonna be a white belt for ages and that is the fucking sport and I just yeah that's again why I like I'm I'm enjoying the sport because it teaches you how to be so so so so humble and I'm sat there clapping everyone when they get their stripes and I don't and feel like a child that needs to learn a lesson in my adult life and it's so important. So yeah so I've got a big my my peak is bigging myself up um because yeah because I'm I'm actually getting stuff done so yeah no I like that how about you?

SPEAKER_03 57:05

Mine's quite similar I've just thought I actually had a I sent myself a bit of a big up message to our good friend Ether earlier I just feel I actually feel really good in myself despite this monster period um I I genuinely feel like I look and feel the best that I've felt for a long time like I think I finally and I said this to uh George earlier walking home like I feel like I've just found finally after God knows how many years of training I feel like I've found the right balance for me now I'm doing three full body strength sessions a week a conditioning session maybe a swim or another conditioning session and I just feels like it's what my And that's on that and that is all it needs to be it just needs to be simple enjoyable bit of threshold work a little bit of getting my heart rate up and I just feel really good about it. Like I just feel like my body I mean I used to train five six days a week and I just think I was putting myself in a bit of a depleted place the whole time and I actually feel energized and I look forward to my strength sessions because I'm only doing three of them a week it's not like I've got to get in there all the time it just feels like for me right now I've found a really good balance and a good tempo and I'm really enjoying it. So yeah that was also my P I just feel like I'm getting I'm getting into a good rhythm now businesses are building yeah I'm just really happy with how things are going.

SPEAKER_01 58:28

That's cool that's cool yeah well and and and as you should big yourself up as well it's it's good and you know we and there might be another point in life where your perfect just your description of perfect journey might be different. Exactly and and and that and that's cool. My my pit um so it's I'm this is very me I've I've bigged myself up and I'm going to give myself a backhanded compliment what I've done this week I'm what I'm finding is I'm not being very efficient when I'm at the gym I'm engaging in tomfoolery and and chat and time wasting which is I really don't like but also I said it to someone the other day and they're like maybe you just need that I don't know if I said that to you maybe you just need that just because basically I did a an hour session it took me two hours because I was tomfoolerying around and I was chatting to everyone but I was just so happy I had a nice I had a nice time in the gym and all of this other stuff but yeah I was just like well that didn't need to take two hours and I was really hard I was hard on myself so I think now now that I'm sort of yeah back in wanting to go which is thank God because that was really unlike me I just didn't I was dragging myself there but often we do have to force it until it becomes okay yeah okay cool this is just what I do now and that's that sort of part of habit formation I think and and I've changed directions so many times in sort of what I'm pursuing especially over the last few years. So anyway I just yeah pi peek a peek and a pit are the same thing. Yeah and I'm too short for the belt squat machine apparently oh my god well well well if you're too short then I'm not getting on there am I?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:15

Oh you're taller am I taller hang on am I taller than you no I'm taller than you by an inch yeah someone asked me um yesterday five I said five three no yeah Ola was like how tall are you and I was like five three no I'm five two and then yeah he chucked a couple of plates under my feet so that when I squatted down to my unbelievable depth um I that yeah the it hits the floor which reduces tension you lose all tension at at at max at top range so anyway he chucked some plates under my feet and we had a good chat about it but I love big up the belt the belt squat machine no axial loading I'm too old my CNS is wrecked after yesterday um The secret so you'll probably know if you're listening to this you probably know what it was but anyway yeah absolutely and yeah my pit this week I'm not gonna lie um my period being late really um really threw me this week oh um where where where on earth is my period um see that's part of my role as what I do as a hormonal health coach I was trying to work it down I thought you know what I find I find the whole the whole stress response in the body fascinating and I'll be honest with you I don't think I realised I was stressed but I think I must have been stressed um which obviously did delayed the whole um blob arrive event arriving but also um someone made a very fair point of possibly it could have been the heat stress we've had such a weird time of like heat heat heat cold cold cold like just weird vibes I think actually I'm just used to it now I'm just hot I I think that's the thing like I hadn't really I think because obviously when it first happened this heat wave we were like oh my god and now it's like yeah I'm hot but we've been hot for about three weeks.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:59

Whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:00

Yeah I'm just yeah and I thought that's actually a very fair point. So yeah I don't really like it when my cycle isn't regular like I work I've worked very hard to make it and understand yeah I hear you I hear you and so when it didn't arrive I was getting a little bit concerned well not concerned even isn't even the word but I just I was like hmm this is normally a measurable thing for me and this doesn't feel like a controlled measure. So that ruffled my feathers a little bit but alas it's arrived we're all good and that was a little bit like but otherwise tell you what was a bit actually another pit this is so Sarah specific this is Sarah Randy was walking having a lovely walk back from the gym just now walking along over the bridge lovely vibes I was like oh what a lovely lovely walk having an ice coffee in her hand having a chat this a woman is walking in front of me with her little dog and her little dog decided to do a poo for fair play that's what you do as a dog outside. What do you do? What does she do with the poo? She kicks it she kicks the poo to the side of the pavement and I was like it took what did it not get on her shoes and no she just like kicked these little compas of poo and I was like and George my boyfriend was like please don't say anything please don't say anything and it literally took every fibre of my body not to be like judge me um but I must say I did give quite a um quite a stern look as I walked past I think she heard oh steady judges me thinking about that all night pick that poo up pick the poo pick the people now people are mad. It's actually disgusting so yeah that was a that was quite a niche pit but yeah pick your dog poo up please everyone it's disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:35

Well I didn't see I couldn't see the script at all or our our notes today and I wasn't aware that we'd be we'd end by talking about Tom Foolery and Pooh. And or poo. But you know But here we are here we are now we have no idea how the recording of this is going to go because my internet is a disaster so if it doesn't sound um excellent that is completely my fault I'm so sorry. We're sorry to have missed a week um we haven't done for 34 weeks and we said to ourselves it's okay we can miss a week it's all good so we're back we appreciate you um and I'll look forward to more Tom Foodery and Pooh chat next week. Thank you for listening by