A Firefighter’s Faith Journey Through PTSD And Marriage - Part 1

You can have the dream job, the nice house, the supportive family, and still feel like you are losing yourself behind the front door. That tension drives this Kingdom Chaos conversation with our friend Shannon, a firefighter, husband of nearly 17 years, dad of two, author, and recent master’s graduate stepping toward becoming a licensed professional counselor.

We talk honestly about Christian mental health and the long road through PTSD, anxiety, and depression. Shannon shares what it felt like to get a diagnosis and then watch things get harder, not easier, plus the real cost it can place on identity and marriage. The biggest shift comes when he names what many people avoid saying out loud: you cannot heal alone. Even when you surrender things to God, God often sends help through people, and receiving that help takes humility.

From there, we get practical about what recovery can look like day to day: counseling, community, diet and exercise, and a healthier definition of strength that does not rely on pretending. We also touch on parenting teenagers in a culture built on comparison, why their family limits devices, and how dinner together becomes a simple anchor. Then we go deeper on faith practices like tithing, not as a money topic, but as trust, obedience, and alignment when life feels squeezed.

Part two is coming, including a deeper dive into marriage partnership and communication. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs it, and leave a review so more people can find Kingdom Chaos.

Ptsd: How Overcoming Anxiety, Depression, and PTSD Taught Me the Power of Pushing Toward Success Daily - By Shannon & Stephanie Lombard 

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Transcript

Welcome To Kingdom Chaos

SPEAKER_01 0:07

Welcome to Kingdom Chaos, a podcast for anyone trying to live a purpose and faith-filled life in a loud and messy world. Jesus said his kingdom and not this world, yet here we are navigating real life and real struggles. I'm not a guru, just someone learning that God's grace meets us even in the chaos. This is Kingdom Chaos, where faith meets real life, and purpose is still found in the mess.

Meet Shannon And His Story

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Hey everybody, welcome back to Kingdom Chaos. My name is Troy, and I'm very excited about this episode because I have a friend with me. His name is Shannon, and we're gonna get into just life, marriage, family, parenting, uh, spiritual growth, um, just life reflection. It's gonna be real fun. Uh, but before we get started, I just want you to know a little bit about Shannon. So I'm gonna allow him just to talk about himself a little bit, give us a little uh baseline, a little bio, and just tell us a little about yourself, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

All right. Hey everybody, uh my name is Shannon. Uh first and foremost, just want to say thank you to my good buddy Troy for having me on today. Awesome. This is uh this is this is definitely gonna be fun today. Yeah, yeah. I'm excited. I'm excited. So um wow. All right. I am I'm a man of many hats. Yeah, right. As as I'm sure we all are, you know, if you really think about it. Um I have uh actually I have a helmet that I wear because I'm a professional firefighter, right? So that helmet. Um I'm a dad of two wonderful kids. Um I'm a husband going on 17 years this year. Congratulations, man. Thanks, man. You know, this is my this is my longest long-term goal so far. It's still it's still plugging away, so that's awesome, you know. Um I am a author also. Wow, yeah, it's really cool to say that. Um, what else do I do? I mean, I'm a California kid through and through. Yeah. Um, we came to Texas, we've been in Texas almost four years now. Obviously, that's where our relationship started. Yep. But um, at the end of the day, my my feet are in the sand, my head's in the clouds with God, you know, and I'm in the ocean. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and that that's that's where I am.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

And a recent graduate?

SPEAKER_02 2:17

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Recent graduate of I got my master's from uh Pepperdine University, Go Waves, right? Yeah, speaking of the Ivy Leagues on the West Coast, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, that's that's my other longest long-term goal I just accomplished. So I'm pretty excited about that, which uh, you know, has given me that opportunity to to be a licensed professional counselor. That's awesome, and that's that's that's the next journey that I'm venturing down. So I'm excited about it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

I know we've talked a lot about life and uh just what you and and your wife Steph have gone through and different things. And uh I just want to be able to step into this and just talk to you about uh your faith journey, your identity, and just life in general. Yeah. Um, so looking back over your life, military service, firefighter, you owned a business. You didn't you didn't mention that. I didn't yeah, I didn't mention that.

SPEAKER_02 3:07

Yeah, we we've owned, yeah, we've owned businesses before. Yeah, and looking to do that still, obviously. Awesome. Once it's in your blood. Yeah, yeah. You can't get rid of it.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Uh so you got marriage, fatherhood, yeah, now stepping into counseling.

The PTSD Diagnosis And The Spiral

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Yeah, uh, what season overall, what season in your life kind of shaped you the most spiritually?

SPEAKER_02 3:26

It's funny because you know how you have that, all right, God make me stronger, right? He's like, okay. You know, are you sure? Be careful, be careful with that, right? Because you know, you go to the gym and you're like, all right, I want to get stronger. You don't lift the little ones. Yeah, you know, like you gotta lift the heavy stuff, right? So God's like, all right, I'm gonna give you something heavy, you know what I'm saying? And it gets to that point to where you know, you just like, all right, God, like now you can take it back. Yeah, I'm I'm ready. I think I'm ready. You know, he's like, No, you're not. There's so many different seasons in my life that have gotten me to where I am now. But I think that honestly, the one that was the toughest was going through my PTSD anxiety depression diagnosis. That one was the one that, you know, it it was after getting the diagnosis, right? You would think that, okay, cool, I know what's wrong. Right. No, it's not how that works, right? Doesn't work either way. So in my mind, it was like, great, now this is three consecutive life sentences, I'm never gonna be able to conquer. In my mind, and that's just myself personally. So after having that diagnosis, you know, then I would like to say, all right, things went great, but no, they only got worse, you know, and that's the hardest part. And it's not like I asked for it, you know what I'm saying? But God's just like, all right, dude, you're gonna go through this, you know, and it's not gonna be a couple of weeks, it's gonna be a really long time. Right. Um, and I mean when I say long time, I mean like years, right? Steph and I were literally just talking about it the other day, and it's funny. I she texts me, she's like, Hey, if you forget anything, text me and I'll let you know, you know, because there's such a big gap where I just don't remember.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

No, I understand that, you know, you know that. Yeah, so I mean, whenever we went through our marriage issues, yeah, there were things I just block out. And Amy's like, hey, you remember this conversation? I'm like, no, absolutely don't remember that.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

Yeah, no, there's no way I do, you know. So she is my gatekeeper in a lot of things, right? A lot of times I default to her, she's like, eh, it kind of went like that. You sure? Yeah, okay, yeah. So anyway, listen to what she says, right? But for me, it was I mean, it was years, man. You know, and she literally told me the she told me two days ago, she's like, it was seven years from like the moment where things started going bad all the way through, you know, up until she was she said, like, you finally were yourself again. Yeah, you know. So thank God she had a baseline before, right? Because she said that, yeah, yeah. She's like, I stayed because I had a baseline. Yeah, you know, it wasn't like that was the first thing that I was thrown into. So I'm 100% forever grateful for that, you know what I'm saying? And honestly, besides God, she was the only reason why I'm even where I am right now. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, because she just didn't walk away. Yeah, I gave her that shot too. Oh man, I gave her that shot. I told her flat out. It was just one of those days, you know. I told her I looked her straight in the face and I just said, Hey, if you leave and you take the kids, I don't blame her. Right. Yeah. And I walked away. Yeah. Fully knowing that that's what was gonna happen, you know? And she didn't. Yeah. Yeah. And that's just a testament to good for her, man. You know, oh man, are you kidding me? Yeah, 100%. I put that girl through the ringer.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

I mean, I think it's too many, too many times in this world that we take marriage and we don't treat it that way, where it's it is for life, should be for life. And yeah, and right, yeah, you go into it with a baseline understanding, this is the person, and things happen, so that person changes, but you know that's not what defines them. That's not their identity, that's not what they're they are who they are. They're just going through a time, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:02

Right, right, exactly. And then the on the opposite side, there's plenty of things that she's gone through, right? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And I was just where I needed to be at that time to help her, you know, through those. And it's absolutely nothing like what I got through, right? You know, but for her at the time, yeah, it was a very, very big deal. Yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

What was your biggest going through that? What was the thing that you came out and like, man, I learned the most from this experience. This is what I learned. Like, if if somebody else is dealing with PTSD or anxiety or depression, like what did you learn? What would you tell them? Hey, stick with it because it's gonna be X, Y, Z on the other side. Not that everybody has the same experience or they're gonna go through the same exact thing or anything like that, but for you personally, yeah, what did you learn through that

The Moment He Asked For Help

SPEAKER_01 7:49

the most?

SPEAKER_02 7:49

Honestly, I would have to say you have to use the people that are around you. Yeah, you can't do it by yourself, you cannot. And even if you give it up to God, God is still gonna be like, okay, I'm gonna get you to a certain extent, yeah, but there's going to be people that I surround you. He works through people, he works through people, yeah. You know what I mean? My number one was staff, yeah. Period. Okay. And I tell, especially, you know, my guys, right? Especially guys married, you know, specifically, and women, you know, this goes for both sides, but I always say, like, you don't know how strong your spouse is until you give them permission. Yeah. Does that make sense? Right? Yeah. So when I that moment that I gave her permission was that day where I literally looked her in the eye and I'd said, I don't know what's wrong with me. I said, but I'd said the three hardest words I've ever said in my life. Like, I need help.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

How long does that take you to get to that point from the time? Like, I don't even know if you know the time when things really started, but how long do you how many?

SPEAKER_02 8:48

I'd say a couple years. Yeah. Years, man. You know what I'm saying? Because of course it's like, oh man, I got this, you know. I'm just gonna work out harder. You know, yeah, oh, I got this, you know, I'm just gonna work more, right? Right? Oh, I got this. I'm gonna have a couple of extra drinks. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I got like you go through all those stages. Oh, I got this, you know, yeah, until you realize that you're at the bottom of some kind of barrel. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Whether it's burnout from work, whether it's drinking too much, whether it's you know, prescription pills, whether like whatever that looks like, you know what I mean? So for me, it was to that point to where like I I literally just a hundred percent surrender was just like I don't know what the heck else to do, man. I am done. And if I don't get help like right now, I I don't know what's gonna happen. It was like that. And when I say I don't say like, oh I mean, I started feeling bad, and I went to the doctor and he, you know, gave me a couple pills, right? No, no, no, no, no, don't worry about it. No, it doesn't look like that. It was an extended amount of depression.

SPEAKER_01 9:48

Because I know Amy dealt with depression, and even when she went to the doctor and was like, hey, here's here's your medication that's gonna it's gonna help. Yeah, she still didn't feel like herself. Yeah, it still was it's not like oh she called it her happy pills because it got her out of the like suicidal stage, right? So that helped, but it was still I'm still not myself. Yeah, I'm not me.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

Yeah, and that was that was honestly. I told her, I'm pretty sure I told her fairly early in the beginning that I didn't want any kind of medications, right? Because I've personally seen you know what happens when it comes to a lot of veterans and stuff, you know what I'm saying? It's just like just medicate up and see where you go, you know what I mean? Yeah, and I didn't want that feeling, you know, at that time, right? Right now, going through, you know, a little bit more on a professional side, I see the opportunities and I see the overall benefits of it, you know what I'm saying? If done the right way, right, right. Yeah, so that's not just medications and you know, you take a pill every day, right?

Healing Takes More Than Medication

SPEAKER_02 10:55

Like you have to work through it, yeah, you know. Yeah, medications are a supplement, yeah, you know, plus counseling, plus diet and exercise, plus you know what I'm saying? Like there's a lot of pluses. Right. It's not just oh, you know, I take Zolof or I take Xanax or I take whatever it may be. Like you have to do multiple things at the same time. Yeah, exactly. Before you get there.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

I mean, we talked about before we even started the podcast today, we talked about health, right? And there's there's multiple layers to that, right? I mean, it's there's working out, but if you don't eat right, it's not you can't catch up, it's not gonna go anywhere, it's not gonna, it's not gonna happen. So there's a lot of different things that you do to stack up on that to help out.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

And it's not even just like, oh, I want to lose weight, you know, or I want that revenge body. You know what I'm saying? It's right, that's not what it is, you know. It's like at the end of the day, how healthy are you for yourself, right? You know, and what does that look like for you?

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Uh we've known each other probably what three years-ish. Um, and so looking at you guys, you and Steph and the kids from the outside, yeah, and

Perfect On Paper Yet Miserable

SPEAKER_01 11:54

this probably was the same way when you're in California. We've talked about this. Was like you you look like you have this perfect life with your marriage, oh, yeah, raising the kids, with your jobs, like everything's going, just graduated, like everything looks great going, but people that see you that meet you today, yeah, might see that, yeah, but have no idea what you've gone through to get to this point right now.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

For sure. Yeah. Listen, man, I'll tell you, we we and I've we've said this plenty of times, plenty of people. Man, we look so good on paper. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, we had the we had the perfect house, you know, two brand new cars in the garage. She's got a full-time job, you know, she's been a nurse forever, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I had my dream job working for LA City Fire Department, you know, like two perfect kids, you know, it's like at this point right now, it just feels like you just pray for like healthy kids. You know what I'm saying? Our family is incredibly supportive, right? Like all of those things. We had a seven-figure business, you know what I'm saying? Like all of those things on paper, right? But dude, I was miserable, you know what I'm saying? And that's when I was just kind of that's when I really knew like something was going on, you know, with me personally, right? And yeah, that dude, you see people, and it's funny because like you know, you don't know what it looks like when that front door closes and you go home. Yeah, yeah. After a great day in the pool, you know, or a great day out and about, you're hanging out with you know, that other couple that you envy, right? You know what I'm saying? You're like, man, they got everything, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

Yeah, that would be that we have no idea, dude. You know, yeah. Talking about comparison, we compare ourselves with other couples, with other

Parenting Teens Without Comparison

SPEAKER_01 13:33

people. Raising two teenage kids right now. Oh, yeah. How do you teach them not to compare themselves, whether it be body image, like social media, like what whatever? How do you teach them not to compare yourselves to other people around you?

SPEAKER_02 13:47

Well, man, I don't know if we're doing a good job or a bad job. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Let's start there. I get that. Let's start there. Uh, we're starting, I mean, we're doing like bare basic stuff, like you know, we got one going in high school, one right behind in eighth grade. They don't have devices, they don't have their own phones. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

We're the weirdos. Yeah, right. They don't have their own phones. Hey, you know, that I mean when you read the Bible, it's the those those weirdos that you talk about are the people that we want to be the different people from. Outliers. Yes, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So yeah, maybe you are doing something right. Exactly. Yeah, I don't know, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 14:20

But you know, so it's like, let's start with like the bare basic stuff, right? Right. In my mind, we're not attacking it head on, okay? We're attacking it from a different point of view, right? So our kids don't have phones, okay, zero devices, right? We have one iPad. Then that's one part, right? And the next part is six, seven days out of the week, we have dinner together, you know? And it's together, you know, and it's weird if we don't have dinner together. If I'm not, if I'm, you know, on shift, those, you know, it's different. Yeah, so we're attacking it from a completely different perspective, yeah, right. And I I'll tell you right now, one of the ways that I like keeping them grounded is you know, driving the 2011 Toyota Camry. Nice. You know what I'm saying? And they know that that's their car. Yeah, right. It's like that's your car. That's great. Right. You know, so it's like, and we go, you know, in on the area that we live in, man, it's affluent. We know that. Yep, you know. So it's not hard to look around and be like, man, well, they have, they have, they have, they have, you know. But at the end of the day, you know, we look at it, we have but we have us. Yeah, it's funny because you know, whenever Steph and I, she comes home, I come home. You know, we always hug, we always kiss, we always talk, we always laugh. And, you know, they're both like, oh my gosh, really? And the first thing I say is we could be yelling at each other. Yeah, right. You know, yeah, we could be yelling at each other, right? A or we could have dropped you off here, you know, saying, Well, I go to my apartment, you know. So, like, I say all those things, yeah. And I just remind them, it's like, yeah, and not to like talk bad about other people, but it's like, how many of your friends are divorced? Yeah, that's how you're rich, and that's what means the most.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Yeah, I think that's something that people miss. You know, I just when

Tithing As Trust And Reset

SPEAKER_01 16:00

you talk, I think about tithing. When me and Amy started tithing, like everybody talks about um, you know, obedience brings blessing. And once you start tithing, he you can't outgive. Yeah, when we first started giving, it had nothing to do with finance. Like, I the the return we got had nothing to do with finances. Our relationship exploded. Yeah, it was so blessed. And I think people miss that part of it. Like you guys eat dinner together all the time, and that that relationship part of it, I think we just we just miss it stuff. Yeah, miss it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:31

100%. Yeah, I'll tell you right now, I'm glad you brought up tithing. Steph showed me, she's the CFO, and she was like, Hey, this was our tithe this month. And I looked at it and I'm like, good night, like what did we do to tithe that month? You know what I'm saying? Tie that month. She was just like, well, everything just da-da-da-da-da, right? Yeah, I remember specifically, man, it was a few years ago, there was a point to where it just tithing for us was always it's it's always been number one. Yeah, there's it's absolutely zero questions asked. Yeah, do it, keep going, right? And we learned from a very close set of friends of ours back in California, Art and Grace Miranda, that not only do you tithe, but you pray for it. Yeah, right. Yeah, so before we hit the button every time, you know what I'm saying? All right, Lord, you know, make this tithe bountiful, fruitful, and let it expand your kingdom in ways that we can't even ask. Yeah, you know, send. Simple, you know what I mean? And they said do that every single time, right? But anyway, I remember a few years ago, it was it just felt like every month was just like dragging, dude. And it was just we were at ends, you know what I'm saying? The kids were acting a little funky, just money just wasn't adding up. And I literally I remember I sat down in the office and I just looked at her and I was like, Have we been tithing? And like immediately she kind of like broke down, was like, I haven't tithed for the last six months. And I'm just like, There it is, and I told Joy, I told her, I said, I don't care, yeah, what you have to do, but you need to catch us up immediately, you know? Yeah, because she was just and I'm I'm not blaming her for it, you know, but she was just like it was just it just kept squeezing and kept squeezing, you know, and she's just like, I can't do it, right? And immediately when she said I haven't tied the six once, yeah. I just I it just hit me. Yeah, I was like, there it is, right? And literally from that day, yeah, we have never not, yeah, you know, and it is extremely crucial, yeah. You know, in your trusts and your faith and your walk.

Redefining Strength As A Man

SPEAKER_01 18:34

So talk going back to just life uh with uh mental health and getting through that and that struggle. So just today, like what what does has that change you in what you think strength is today from what you felt being a man in this world and strength was before? Like has that changed anything?

SPEAKER_02 18:52

What how? Oh yeah. It's you know, as a guy, right? As a man, you know, in this current climate, it's like I got it. Yeah, you know, no, you don't, yeah, no, you don't, yeah, you know, and there was, you know, for me, I mean, like, I'm working for the Los Angeles City Fire Department, the second biggest department besides uh FDNY, you know, and you can't tell me nothing. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I was born and raised in Los Angeles, I came right back after my military. Come on, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can't tell me anything, yeah, you know, and that's that's the way I've always been. I haven't been this strong and this confident in myself because of the faith and because of the things that I have had to go through, you know, and the things that God has put me through, right? Because they don't say, Oh, you know, God, you know, would why would he allow this? Why would he allow that? He's like, that's not what it is, right? At the end of the day, you gotta see what you get on the backside of it, you know, and the strength and the encouragement and the people that he sends your way. Yeah, man, you were huge when I first got here, okay? You know that, dude. Because there was plenty of conversations like, I don't know what the heck I'm gonna do, bro. You know, it's like my one date on the calendar was our breakfast for the whole week. That's awesome. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because people don't know that when you got when we met, you weren't working. No, right? Yeah,

Moving To Texas And Losing Identity

SPEAKER_02 20:22

no, man. I I was I was a rad dad. Yeah, you know, for an entire so it's like you know, we leave California, move to Texas, man. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna ride bulls, you know what I mean? I'm galloping down the freeway on a horse, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, full glue. That's what we do, that's what we do, right? You know, I got my hat, you know, I got my buckle, got my boots, right? Man, I got to Texas, I got destroyed. Okay, I got destroyed, you know? It's like as now think about that, you know, as a guy, it's like, you know, you get to a brand new place, your wife has her thing, right? The kids have her they have their thing, yeah, and you just go home. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

What? Yeah, and then in this culture, as a guy, that's not you're supposed to be the provider, protector, you're supposed to be it, right?

SPEAKER_02 21:03

All of it. Yeah. Okay, all of it. But in that moment, I was like, you know, if I'm gonna be here, I need to be here to the best of my ability. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So house is clean, dinner's cooked, you know what I'm saying? Maintenance is done, like all of those things, right? So for me, I was like, you know what, I better use this year, and it wasn't like I just got to it like day one, it took a long time. It's like I might as well get to this year and remove as many barriers and as many challenges as I possibly can to make sure that Steph is good and the kids are good, right? So that was my way of taking on a different burden. It just looked totally different from what I used to, you know. My burden was always working and caring and all that other stuff. So those moments, and when I say moment, man, my moments are long. Yeah, okay, like years. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And then also in that time, too, I was like, all right, if I'm gonna do this. I better be as healthy as I can. You know, if I'm gonna be home for eight hours, I can knock out two workouts. You know what I'm saying? Like, dude, like go do something. Yes. Okay. Yes. That's big for mental health, right? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. Right? You have to do something, right? You have to change your environment. You have to change your mind. You know, and you can't just be on the couch, like, all right, Lord, I'm ready. Yeah. Yep. What do you mean? What have you been doing to prepare? Ready for what? Yep. Exactly. Where's what does your preparation look like? You know? It's like, oh, I just dropped the kids, you know, and I'm gonna pick them up at three. Yeah. You know, and they got a brand new show coming out. It's not preparation. Yeah. You know, it's like you can't pray for strength and not be prepared to get destroyed. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because if you really think about it, I keep using that word destroy, you know, not to a complete, not to complete failure, right? But just going back to gym-wise, right? Everyone knows like you build muscle by literally ripping and tearing it up and tearing it up, right? And that's how it builds, you know. So many different stories in the Bible, you're just looking at it, you're like, golly, man, like, would I be able to go through something like that?

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:03

You know, there's no way.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

I mean, talking about you going through moments of years, same thing, right? Like David's years before GameCube, like all these different moments. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

But then you could see, then you can see that one glimmer of hope, right? And you're just like, oh man, I had that same, yeah, you know what I'm saying? And like God'll just give you, like, hey, here, just here's a little just take this, take this, take this morsel, yeah. You know, take this little bit of mana, put it in your pocket.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

You'll need it later. How does uh with you guys in your partnership with

Humility And Partnership In Marriage

SPEAKER_01 23:33

marriage? Because uh just listening to what we've talked about here and and and knowing your life in general, how do you guys how are you guys partners? What do you how do you support each other in day-to-day life? And I know we're talking about moments and years, but I'm talking about like day-to-day stuff, like uh being able to say, hey, I'm I'm only 20% here today. Like those types of things. Yeah, what does it look like?

SPEAKER_02 23:54

I'll tell you right now, you have to humble yourself and just admit at what you're not good at. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, you know, yeah, and hopefully they're good at that. You know what I'm saying? And if they're not, they're like, okay, well, you know, I'll take the time and I'll figure that out. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And then you can, you know, rely on your strength and stuff like that, right? What are what are you good at? And then also what do you enjoy doing? Yeah, it's all about having a good time together. Yeah, you know, for me, I know that she's good with numbers, you know what I'm saying? Who's good at what? Yeah, you gotta figure out who enjoys doing what, yeah, you know, and honestly, you just gotta humble yourself and you have to talk. Yeah, like if you don't communicate well, yeah, like that's where the start of a long and fruitful relationship is.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

I love that you brought that up. So let's talk about so you you brought up humility, that was huge because that was one of my questions, how you be humble to manage, but also communication. So tell what do you got? How do you communicate? How do you stay connected? Yeah. Are there certain things like hey, we need to sit down and talk about XYZ? Yeah, do y'all have scheduled like catch up time or like I don't know. You tell me how do you guys stay?

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Well, you're gonna have to wait to hear what Shannon has to say about that question next week. If you enjoyed this conversation, then go ahead and subscribe on whatever platform you're listening to so you can get the update. Next episode will be uh next Monday, and we'll post the rest of this conversation there. Thanks. Hope you enjoyed.