Curiouser & Curiouser
Curiouser & Curiouser is a podcast for leaders, builders, and curious minds navigating AI, GenAI safety, and governance in a rapidly changing world.
Produced by Alice, the enterprise trust, safety, and security platform for the AI era, the show draws on frontline adversarial intelligence to explore how AI systems are stress-tested, red-teamed, governed, and protected across their lifecycle.
Each episode looks at how AI is actually showing up in the real world, how organizations evaluate it, where it breaks, and what it takes to build systems people can trust.
We cut through hype and fear to explore how AI shapes trust, decision-making, and real-world work, one rabbit hole at a time.
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Latest Episodes
Why Your CISO Shouldn't Be the Department of No
What if the person whose entire job is risk was the most excited one in the room about AI?That's Mea Clift. While most CISOs are bracing for what could go wrong, she's leaning in, she calls it being "risk excited," and it flips the whole...
AI in Healthcare: Protecting Patient Data Without Falling Behind
Your doctor's office knows more about you than almost anyone. So what happens when AI gets its hands on all of it?That's Sandy Dunn's whole job as a healthcare CISO, and her answer is calmer than you'd expect, because the threats aren't ...
The Former Google Cloud CISO's Take on AI, Agents, and What Comes Next
Some guests have seen the field from one seat. Phil Venables has seen it from most of them: CISO at Goldman Sachs, the first CISO for Google Cloud, and now a partner at Ballistic Ventures. So when he says what's worth paying attention to in AI ...
AI in Finance: From Money Laundering to Deepfakes
Mo sits down with Dr. Janet Bastiman, Chief Data Scientist at Napier AI, to talk about why fraud is easier to catch than money laundering, how deepfakes got good enough to fool a finance team out of millions, and why the humans who oversee AI m...
Afraid AI Will Replace You? Here's the One Skill It Can't
James Villarrubia went from building AI for NASA's drone and aerospace programs to becoming CTO of a travel tech company. In this episode, he and Mo get into why curiosity might be the most important skill in the AI era, what happens to our bra...
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