Curiouser & Curiouser is a podcast for leaders, builders, and curious minds navigating AI, GenAI safety, and governance in a rapidly changing world.
Produced by Alice, the enterprise trust, safety, and security platform for the AI era, the show draws on frontline adversarial intelligence to explore how AI systems are stress-tested, red-teamed, governed, and protected across their lifecycle.
Each episode looks at how AI is actually showing up in the real world, how organizations evaluate it, where it breaks, and what it takes to build systems people can trust.
We cut through hype and fear to explore how AI shapes trust, decision-making, and real-world work, one rabbit hole at a time.
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Mo is an AI security practitioner with over a decade of experience in application and product security, spanning hands-on engineering, program building, and cross-functional leadership. At Alice, he focuses on advancing how organizations understand, test, and manage real-world risks in AI systems, helping bridge security research, product reality, and emerging AI governance needs.
Diana Kelley is CISO at Noma Security. She has held senior security leadership roles at Microsoft, IBM Security, Symantec, and Protect AI. She is co-author of Practical Cybersecurity Architecture, a LinkedIn Learning instructor on AI/ML security, and a 2023 Global Cyber Security Hall of Fame inductee.
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Joseph Carson is an award-winning cybersecurity professional with more than 30 years of experience securing enterprises, governments, and critical infrastructure around the world. As the Chief Security Evangelist and Advisory CISO at Segura, Joseph helps organizations build identity-first security strategies that are resilient, measurable, and aligned with modern business realities. A globally recognized expert in identity security, privileged access, and cyber defense, Joseph is the author of Cybersecurity for Dummies, one of the most widely read cybersecurity primers with more than 50,000 readers. He is also the host of the Security by Default podcast, where he explores modern security challenges with global experts and industry leaders.
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Julie Tsai is a CISO-in-Residence at Ballistic Ventures, board member of the Bay Area CSO Council, and cybersecurity leader for AI Insiders. A six-time CISO and SecDevOps specialist, she’s led security at organizations ranging from startups to Fortune 1 companies, including Roblox, WalmartLabs, and Box. Julie advises startups, teaches cybersecurity, and focuses on using AI and DevSecOps to build stronger, more responsible security practices.
Laura Powell is a technical leader working at the intersection of AI, risk, and reality. For over a decade, she’s built and led AI, data, privacy, and governance programs in high-growth environments, helping teams turn fast-moving innovation and regulatory pressure into practical, production-ready systems. Today, she focuses on responsible AI and operationalizing trust without slowing progress.
Steve Wilson is Chief AI and Product Officer at Exabeam and founder and co-chair of the OWASP GenAI Security Project. He leads work on securing large language models and agentic systems, and is the author of The Developer’s Playbook for Large Language Model Security (O’Reilly). His career spans Sun Microsystems, Citrix, and Oracle, with 11 patents across cybersecurity and networking.