Curiouser & Curiouser is a podcast for leaders, builders, and curious minds navigating AI, GenAI safety, and governance in a rapidly changing world. We cut through hype and fear to explore how AI impacts trust, decision-making, and real-world work—one rabbit hole at a time.
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Mo is an AI security practitioner with over a decade of experience in application and product security, spanning hands-on engineering, program building, and cross-functional leadership. At Alice, he focuses on advancing how organizations understand, test, and manage real-world risks in AI systems, helping bridge security research, product reality, and emerging AI governance needs.
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Julie Tsai is a CISO-in-Residence at Ballistic Ventures, board member of the Bay Area CSO Council, and cybersecurity leader for AI Insiders. A six-time CISO and SecDevOps specialist, she’s led security at organizations ranging from startups to Fortune 1 companies, including Roblox, WalmartLabs, and Box. Julie advises startups, teaches cybersecurity, and focuses on using AI and DevSecOps to build stronger, more responsible security practices.