Curiouser & Curiouser
Curiouser & Curiouser is a podcast for leaders, builders, and curious minds navigating AI, GenAI safety, and governance in a rapidly changing world.
Produced by Alice, the enterprise trust, safety, and security platform for the AI era, the show draws on frontline adversarial intelligence to explore how AI systems are stress-tested, red-teamed, governed, and protected across their lifecycle.
Each episode looks at how AI is actually showing up in the real world, how organizations evaluate it, where it breaks, and what it takes to build systems people can trust.
We cut through hype and fear to explore how AI shapes trust, decision-making, and real-world work, one rabbit hole at a time.
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Episodes
9 episodes
Afraid AI Will Replace You? Here's the One Skill It Can't
James Villarrubia went from building AI for NASA's drone and aerospace programs to becoming CTO of a travel tech company. In this episode, he and Mo get into why curiosity might be the most important skill in the AI era, what happens to our bra...
The Problem With AI Observability Nobody Wants To Admit
In this episode of Curiouser & Curiouser, Mo sits down with Alison Cossette, Founder and CEO of ClariTrace, to talk about why your enterprise AI is moving faster than your visibility into it and what to actually do about it. They get into c...
What Does It Actually Take to Build Unbiased AI?
Tennisha Martin has five master's degrees, a doctorate in progress, founded one of the most important communities in cybersecurity, and will be the first to tell you that none of it mattered until she stopped trying to do it alone. In this epis...
AI Governance Needs a Dungeon Master
David Wendt spent 30 years building models for Fortune 100 companies before stepping away from the keyboard entirely to focus on AI governance. He also happens to be a Dungeon Master, and it turns out those two things have more in common than y...
Your LLM Has No Idea What It's Doing
Diana Kelley has spent four decades in security watching AI go from a Dartmouth conference to an avalanche. Now CISO at Noma Security, she joins Mo to break down why the LLM is not your guardrail, why agentic AI is exposing hygiene debt you alr...
Resilience by Design: Inside Estonia's Digital Nation
Most countries talk about digital trust. Estonia built it into the architecture.Joseph Carson, Chief Security Evangelist and Advisory CISO at Segura, has spent 23 years living through Estonia's digital transformation from the inside. In ...
Building AI We Can Actually Trust
AI governance sounds straightforward until you try to actually do it.In this episode, Mo talks with Laura Powell, Senior Director of Partnerships at LatticeFlow AI, about the messy reality of building AI systems organizations can ...
Securing Agentic AI: The OWASP Approach
Agentic AI is moving fast. So are the risks.Mo talks with Steve Wilson (Chief AI and Product Officer at Exabeam and Founder and Co-chair of the OWASP GenAI Security Project) about OWASP’s approach to agentic AI security, including...