Curiouser & Curiouser is a podcast for leaders, builders, and curious minds navigating AI, GenAI safety, and governance in a rapidly changing world.
Produced by Alice, the enterprise trust, safety, and security platform for the AI era, the show draws on frontline adversarial intelligence to explore how AI systems are stress-tested, red-teamed, governed, and protected across their lifecycle.
Each episode looks at how AI is actually showing up in the real world, how organizations evaluate it, where it breaks, and what it takes to build systems people can trust.
We cut through hype and fear to explore how AI shapes trust, decision-making, and real-world work, one rabbit hole at a time.
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Steve Wilson is Chief AI and Product Officer at Exabeam and founder and co-chair of the OWASP GenAI Security Project. He leads work on securing large language models and agentic systems, and is the author of The Developer’s Playbook for Large Language Model Security (O’Reilly). His career spans Sun Microsystems, Citrix, and Oracle, with 11 patents across cybersecurity and networking.