Curiouser & Curiouser

Curiouser & Curiouser is a podcast for leaders, builders, and curious minds navigating AI, GenAI safety, and governance in a rapidly changing world.

Produced by Alice, the enterprise trust, safety, and security platform for the AI era, the show draws on frontline adversarial intelligence to explore how AI systems are stress-tested, red-teamed, governed, and protected across their lifecycle.

Each episode looks at how AI is actually showing up in the real world, how organizations evaluate it, where it breaks, and what it takes to build systems people can trust.

We cut through hype and fear to explore how AI shapes trust, decision-making, and real-world work, one rabbit hole at a time.

Explore more from Alice:
Website: https://alice.io
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Alice.io.advance.unafraid
LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/alice-io
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Guest

Mea Clift

Mea Clift is the Chief Information Security Officer (CISO) at Cengage, a seasoned cybersecurity executive known for aligning security strategy with enterprise risk and resilience. With decades of experience, she specializes in governance, risk, and compliance (GRC), helping organizations navigate complex threats and translate technical risk into clear business value.

A 2025 honoree of the Women in IT Security awards and finalist for Cybersecurity Woman Leader of the Year 2026, Mea is widely recognized for her leadership, mentorship, and advocacy for diversity in cybersecurity.

Guest appearance on:

Why Your CISO Shouldn't Be the Department of No