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Redesigning Life with Sabrina Soto
Redesigning Life with Sabrina Soto is a podcast dedicated to inspiring intentional living, personal growth, and transformation. Hosted by design expert and lifestyle guru Sabrina Soto, each episode dives into conversations about wellness, mindset, home, and self-improvement with leading experts and thought leaders. With a mix of practical advice, heartfelt storytelling, and empowering insights, Redesigning Life is your go-to space for creating a life that feels as good as it looks—one thoughtful choice at a time.
Redesigning Life with Sabrina Soto
Mastering Life's Game: Boston Rob on Strategy, Resilience, and Risk
Can understanding human behavior be your ultimate superpower? Join me as I sit down with my friend, the legendary Boston Rob, famed for his strategic mastery on "Survivor" and "Traitors". I kick off our conversation by probing into Rob's unparalleled ability to read people, form genuine alliances, and navigate complex social dynamics. Learn how his unique blend of life experiences, poker skills, business acumen, and a psychology degree from Boston University have equipped him with techniques to succeed in both games and real life. Rob reveals the secrets behind interpreting body language, understanding motivations, and adapting to unforeseen challenges, offering invaluable lessons for everyday interactions.
Next, we explore the emotional rollercoaster of ambition, resilience, and coping with loss. Boston Rob opens up about balancing high aspirations with staying true to oneself amidst inevitable setbacks. Through poignant personal anecdotes, including the recent loss of a beloved pet and his daughter's first golf match, Rob provides insights on maintaining optimism and emotional resilience. This segment offers a heartfelt look at managing expectations and staying grounded while pursuing one's goals, making it a must-listen for anyone navigating the ups and downs of life.
Finally, get ready for a thrilling dive into the world of risk and intuition. Rob delves into the complex dance between gut feelings and logical decision-making, especially in high-stakes environments like poker. We discuss the ethical dimensions of using fear as a tactic, and how personal responsibilities can shape one's approach to risk. Wrapping up on a lighter note, Rob shares his entertaining experiences on game shows like "Deal or No Deal Island" and "Traitors," recounting the challenges and fun of competing under the spotlight. Don't miss this captivating episode filled with humor, wisdom, and actionable strategies for success.
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CHAPTERS:
04:26
The Importance of Reading People
08:28
Having a Sense of Self
10:21
Balancing Risk and Reward
13:44
Managing Fear
16:20
Embracing the Journey
20:51
Taking Care of Oneself
23:47
The Role of Intuition
welcome wrong, I can't even. I can't even welcome you to the podcast like a normal guest because we start, yeah, we started okay, is it on delay no, why is it delayed for? It's not delayed for me?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I saw the countdown oh, that's, don't worry about that, okay, um can you edit this after? I'm not going to edit it, so just just don't curse. Try to be normal, okay and yeah, just pretend you're on television.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's go Okay.
Speaker 1:So for people who don't know Boston, rob and I worked together on listen to me Secret Celebrity Renovation and you and I have been on the road a lot together but you're famous because of Survivor and you know this, but most people don't know I've actually never seen a show in my life and you're like, apparently a big deal on this show. You've played what four times, can I?
Speaker 2:tell you to shut up on your own show. Like is that? Like? Like, do other people do that? Because? We're going to keep it, as they say, 100 on this episode. Okay, Because you're out of control already, because I don't even know who's going.
Speaker 1:Well, so you, olivia, and I did also watch you on the last show that you just did, which is Deal or no Deal Island, and we loved watching it and I saw what a chess player you are with people and that's what you're known for. And you wrote a book called Boss and Rob's Rules to Life right Strategies, basically, that you used on the show. So that's what I want to talk to you. If you could just act normal for the next 30 minutes, for the next 30 minutes is how you mean?
Speaker 2:do people even know you like in real life? Because I'm so confused. But okay, let's go.
Speaker 1:But like, how did you, when you were on Survivor, like, how did you know how to read people and I know that you do that constantly but is it just something that you were born with, or is it something that somebody can learn how to sort of read people and understand people's personas and then use that to your benefit?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I think, like you know, to look at what I've done on Survivor over the course of 20 years, it's like a culmination of like from when I was 25 years old, the first time I played, until now. So I didn't have all the life experience that I have now. When I first played so I don't know that innately I knew right away how to read people. I think like it's something I've developed over the course of time with my life, with playing the game of poker, with learning about business, and a lot of people don't know I actually have a degree in psychology from Boston University, so I've also always been fascinated.
Speaker 2:I'm going to need to see that diploma, yeah actually, you know what I was thinking that you might ask. So I got right. Yeah, look at that.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh I knew you would never believe me.
Speaker 2:You're really good at photoshop actually, uh, no, we just moved and I still got stuff all over my office and it was right there. But that was pretty quick thinking. Uh, I don't know. I just like always like been fascinated by why different people act differently in different situations.
Speaker 2:And one thing I've learned about myself and I talked about this in the book that I wrote like 15 years ago is that, like you have to know who you are before you go out there to play these kinds of games, have to know who you are before you go out there to play these kinds of games, and you have to have a good sense of self. And if you really want to understand people's motivations, you have to try to see the game through their lens, through their eyes. Right, like it's really important. A lot of people say you can see the other person's point of view, but unless you can actually see what's in their best interest, then you'll never find that common ground to try to figure out a way to align your best interest and their best interest, and only then will you be able to figure out real alliances.
Speaker 2:So you have to pay attention Like I know it sounds ridiculously simple and easy, but watch what people do and their body language, their actions give away so much more than what comes out of their mouth. Yeah, you know they can say one thing, but how they act and how they portray themselves is actually a better indicator on how to read people.
Speaker 1:Okay, so for everyone who's listening no one who's listening I'm going to go out and say that like is going to be on Survivor, so forget about the game of Survivor. But that is interesting, you never know, Well, that's true, that's true. I think you said that I would win.
Speaker 2:No, I never said that, not once. As a matter of fact, I think the two words I used were don't bother.
Speaker 1:No, that's not true. You actually said that I wouldn't do bad. I wouldn't do bad, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2:That was the best compliment you said you ever received, because I said, uh, I don't, I don't think, uh, you would do so bad. Yeah, that doesn't mean that you would do good.
Speaker 1:But so how do you use these, the same sort of rules or the same tactics that you used on survivor or any of the other shows, because I know you were also on the traders, which hasn't aired yet I how do you use that in everyday life? How do you use it, even just in poker, in just taking the kids to school?
Speaker 2:I mean the lessons are applicable for, like all different things. I think the two main things, the two biggest, biggest indicators to doing well on shows like these and in business, in life and in relationships, is number one your ability to adapt to situations. Like a lot of times you have to expect the unexpected, like life continuously is going to throw you curveballs, is going to throw you curveballs, and it's like how do you deal with that adversity? How do you take something that is outside of your control and figure out a way to deal with it to get a positive outcome? And the second thing is your social awareness and this, a little bit people are born with. You know, but you have to be able to read the room. You have to know, like, at the end of the day, how other people are perceiving you and you have to be able to do it accurately because, like, perception is reality for everyone. You know, like there are people that are good at their craft, and I don't want to name them, but people I know in poker specifically.
Speaker 1:Okay, you can name me.
Speaker 2:They're really good at their craft, but they're like terrible. They have no self-awareness. They don't understand. You know how they're perceived by others.
Speaker 1:Okay, wait, let's go back to that, because you said that in the beginning that you have to have a sense of self. What does that mean to you, having a sense of self?
Speaker 2:It's simply knowing who you are. Right Like Survivor is not the place, or any of these game shows are not the place, to try to figure out who you are. That's why I would never let any of my kids play these games at 18, 19 years old. They don't have enough experience. So knowing who you are means like what do you stand for? Where's your line in the sand? Where are your moral compass? You know, and at the same time, what? Where are you willing to go in these different situations? What are you willing to compromise? Because if you just stand up there and say I not going to lie to anybody, I'm not going to do anything and the game actually requires that, you're actually handcuffing yourself and you're putting yourself at a huge disadvantage. You might as well stay home. Like the name of the show is survivor. It's strategy based, it's alliance based, it's relationship based.
Speaker 2:It's not about who's the best has the best morals, you know because, like inside the game, I'll do whatever it takes to win to a degree. You know where other people won't.
Speaker 1:But that's not true, rob, because even in Deal or no Deal, you had such a connection with Aaron and there were times that you put yourself out on the line for that friendship. So I don't think that that's true, that you would do whatever it takes to win, because you didn't.
Speaker 2:So Deal or no Deal is a little different.
Speaker 2:It's a lot different show right From a strategy standpoint, versus Survivor.
Speaker 2:In Deal or no Deal Island there is a lot that is left up to chance that you can't control.
Speaker 2:Ironically, when I first got out there and went to the island to play that game, I was super frustrated with the format because essentially for the people that don't know, there's a challenge, or they call them excursions where you can earn safety through immunity, through the highest case value, and then only one person earns that and then the other two people that are at the bottom essentially one of them will face off against the banker in a game of deal or no deal, where the winner of that game is allowed to eliminate anybody else in the game, with the exception of the person at the top. So to simplify because I know that's complicated for a lot of people basically there's a challenge or an excursion and one person does really good and two people do really bad and everybody else is in the middle. The people that do really bad then have a chance to eliminate someone else. So you're basically giving so much power to the people on the bottom yeah, at first I found that so incredibly frustrating, right?
Speaker 2:because Because I was like man, like here's someone that's terrible and if they get lucky in the game, they're allowed to eliminate you. But as this season went on, I realized like, optimally, it's better to be in the bottom and risk your life in the game in order to eliminate someone else. So the lesson I guess is like in order to really live, you have to be willing to die, which a lot of people aren't right, like you have to be willing to put your life on the line in order to go forward and move ahead Right.
Speaker 2:And even if you do, there's still so much that's left up to chance, which, for someone like me that likes to control a situation, likes to try to get all my bases covered and strategically figure out what the best move is. That was really hard, but again, at the end of the game, I realized the genius behind the format, because it's a lot like life in that there are situations that are going to come up in everyone's life that you can't control.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And then you revert back to the lessons that I learned in Survivor, and that is you know, you have to be willing to adapt to the situation. Yeah, it's simple. My mother always used to tell me you know, if you can do something about it, get moving and do something about it, and if you can't, don't worry about it and move on. And it's really simple. But I think a lot of people get caught up in the everyday. You know, what, if, what could I, what should I? You know, instead of like just take action and do it if you can. You know, you know, instead of like just take action and do it if you can, you know.
Speaker 1:I think people would be surprised and you, I know you mess with me a lot, especially on my social media with your horrible comments that you leave on my posts, but I think people would be surprised how much of a friendship we've. We've created and, like you're my brother and we even have a code.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm your brother now. Was I adopted by your mom, or how did it work? How did that happen?
Speaker 1:No, but we've created such a good friendship that we even have a code word that if I need something like it's, you know it's an emergency and you've helped me through, like even now, with everything that's going through with my dog. Like you talk to me on the phone and, and you and I have had, we are, I would say, especially for a TV relationship, like working relationship. We're really close. So for everyone who's listening they've listened to me for years Like how, how did you read me when you first met me on set?
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh, you want me to give the funny story or the real story, I don't know I mean. So you had a lot going on in your personal life at the time when we first met.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But you put that aside and you were very welcoming to me. I was obviously the new person you know on the crew at the time and you made me feel comfortable and made me feel at home and I always appreciated that you know, and then I give you a noogie.
Speaker 2:And my ears have been bleeding for the last three years, ever since then. You know it's like you, you can tell like you're a go-getter, you're always hustling, you always have something else going on and I think, like like-minded people that work hard and michelle too, you know she's, she's always on the go and I think, uh, what's cool about our little group on Secret Celebrity Renovation is that's something we come together to do, but outside of that, we all do other things as well. Yeah, you know, um, and I think people that that you know. Like I say, I use that word like in a positive way, not in a negative way, but like you work hard, you go after what you want, you're ambitious, you know, and that's not everybody.
Speaker 2:And what's wild is like it could be everybody, but it's not meant to be everybody, everybody.
Speaker 2:Like I feel like you know, uh, some people given the opportunity. I think that one of the reasons why I've been able to do this for over 20 years is like I've been consistently me. Like you can talk to my buddies from high school, from grade school. I still keep in touch with them. They'll tell you I'm still the same kid I was back then, you know, and I think in a little bit of a weird way, in the television world and like entertainment.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's refreshing a little bit, like like my buddies would never let it go to my head anyway you know, but I think it's a little bit of an East coast mentality where you know, like you're never going to get too big, like your boys will just put you right back in line. So, um, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Wait, going back to you were saying that to have the sense of self. And then you were your life or motto of just like, if you could do something about it, do it, and if not, in my life now I'm going through a loss of my dog and there's nothing I can do about that. And so I was talking to a friend of mine earlier. Just, you know I'm I've gone through a lot of stuff in my life, a lot, and I just, you know, get up and get out of bed and just keep going. And this is, I think, the first time actually I know it's the first time in my entire life that I feel this like debilitating, like horrible heaviness. And so what do you say when, if anybody's listening to this and they are going through some sort of transition, whether it's a loss of a pet or a divorce or of a job, of just not being able to get out of the rut, like, how do you deal with that in your own life?
Speaker 2:You want me to be Dr Phil. I'm Dr Rob. You want me to put my Dr Rob hat on the psychology hat.
Speaker 1:Because you have to, you've, you've, you know how to deal with things like right. Isn't that what?
Speaker 2:that's why you've won at all these games.
Speaker 2:I think, like you know, it comes back to. You have to try to put yourself in the other person's position. You have to try to see it through their eyes. So of course it's super emotional. Like that emotion is the reason why you're feeling the feelings that you're feeling Anyone that loses a pet or a loved one, anything At the same time. Like if you take the emotion out of it which is hard to do because you're in it, right. But if you take the emotion out of it, everybody dies, right. All pets are going to die eventually, like that's just a part of life. That's who we are Like. At some point the end comes from everyone. So when I say try to see it through the other person's point of view, I'm not even saying through your eyes, I'm saying through your dog's eyes. It's not about you. You have to honor your dog and that you know. Like, without a doubt, even though it's painful for you, you don't want her to suffer, right?
Speaker 1:But what if somebody is listening to this and they're going through a big transition of loss, even if it's a relationship or a job or whatever? How have you dealt with loss in your life? Because you've not always won Survivor. You've not always won every poker game that you've won, of course.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:How do you deal with that?
Speaker 2:I lose a lot more than I win, but I I just I feel like something better is coming. I don't know, I know that's not the really the answer, but like, like, it's like I'm able to separate right, like and I think that's a hard thing, but the emotional part of it right. A lot of people fold under pressure because the emotion, the stress, the pressure is too much. I have found that I like that situation. When the pressure's on, I feel like that's when I do my best. Like when the pressure's on, I feel like that's when I do my best.
Speaker 2:So, as far as like loss goes, I mean I'm realistic about the prospect. When I go into these games, you know if there's 20 people in the game, you have a 5% chance of winning. That means 95% of the time you're not going to win. Don't get me wrong. I'm super optimistic and I feel like my odds are even better and I go in to play these games and I'm going to give everything I have to win and I believe I'm going to win and that's what I want to do If it doesn't happen. I mean, you know I don't make my whole identity everything about me about one game, one thing.
Speaker 2:I'll give you an example, and this is. This is super personal and very fresh, but but I'll give you a real life example. Uh, yesterday my daughter had her first golf match, you know, and it was her first time competing against other kids in another school and she didn't do great. I mean, they were great, she did great throughout, you know, the match. She hit some good shots and everything, but she didn't score great. And then after, you know, she was really emotional about it and I was like man, I was like I need to, you know, do the right thing here and like teach her, you know, and I didn't want to like give her like hard love, like you know, because at this stage, what's that going to do?
Speaker 2:It's just going to discourage her. Golf is a really hard game. I'm 48 years old and I'm still not a professional. You know what I mean. Like I'm still not a professional, you know what I mean. Like I'm I'm not even any good really, but um, but I was just. Like you know, lucia, like you know, it's your first match. It's one time you've gone through this. You're gonna lose a lot, there's gonna be a lot of losses, but it's not like you know how you if you win or lose, but how you handle it right it's so weird.
Speaker 2:I got another thing right here. I'm just. It's staring at me in my face and I swear to god this is not planned, but this is right here. This is real life, like it's stuck here can you see that?
Speaker 1:can you read that?
Speaker 2:no, there's a champion is not someone who wins all the? Time. A champion is someone who gives everything they've got to win. Yep, and it's like you know so, throughout life you're going to have losses and that's a part of life, but like persistence and getting up and keeping going is like what's important. And, uh, then I took her out for ice cream and we're good today, because there'll be another match next week and we're gonna practice again.
Speaker 2:So I mean like, uh, it's emotional and I think that's what emotions like. You have to try to get emotion out of stuff. You see it in business all the time. You know negotiating. If you let the emotion and I'm guilty of it too, sometimes you know I feel a certain way about something and then once you realize that's not your brain, that's not logic talking, that's your emotion that's where you ultimately end up having problems if you let your emotions dictate your actions.
Speaker 2:It's hard, especially a game like survivor, where you know at its core it's a relationship game right so, again, for the people that don't know, it starts with a certain amount of people as the the people are voted off. As you vote the people off, at some point they make up a jury, and when there's only two or three people left, those people that you voted off come back to decide which one is going to be the winner.
Speaker 2:So at that point it's out of your hands. So you have to realize that, like even when you're slitting their throats and doing what you have to do to advance in the game, how you make them feel is going to dictate how they vote.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sometimes they vote for the person they like the most and the person they want to win. Other times they spitefully vote against that person. That made them feel bad.
Speaker 1:Right, right Right.
Speaker 2:So it'll come back to bite you in the ass.
Speaker 1:So you, you know you, I, I watch you on set and you do read people and you do always think that you're right. But I know that you're not because you think that you're right with me.
Speaker 1:That's your emotion talking right now no, no, no, that's actually just luck, but I am actually. But when is? Obviously you haven't been right about everything. What's? Have there been times in these games, or even in poker, where you really felt the intuition that you were right, but you weren't? Or do you like? Does that also like? Do you second guess yourself a lot, because you're not always hitting? You know a home run.
Speaker 2:No, I mean it's ridiculous, but like I, I feel.
Speaker 1:Because you have a sense of humor about it.
Speaker 2:No, now like I feel confident in like what I believe, like I do, and I think like that goes back to knowing who you are. I know who I am. Can I learn things something new? Yeah, I can learn new things, even at my age, but like I like fundamentally who I am now, like I feel confident, you know, and when I feel it I say it and a lot of it is off the cuff Right, because I think, like you know, if anything earlier when I was younger, I would do things you know and feel like sometimes you feel something right and you act on it and sometimes you're wrong about that.
Speaker 2:So I think with age, like I've learned to not be so matter of fact, even though I know that kind of goes directly against what you just said. But, like some things, I just know it and I feel it and I feel like I am confident about it. For that reason um, I don't know, it's a tricky question because, depending on the situation, I might have a different answer, because I can think of times in poker where I've been. Poker is not a science, it is, it's math-based, but there's also that intuition, that goes along with it.
Speaker 2:Intuition, right, that goes along with it. And you know, theoretically you should err on the side of the math almost always. You should like embrace the math, because the math doesn't lie. The math may be, you may be lucky or unlucky, but it doesn't lie. But every once in a while you kind of go against it because you have a feeling about something.
Speaker 2:And I do think there is something you know beyond like just physics and statistics and math. That is this you know, unquantifiable sense that you get from a situation where you act a certain way and like you say a mother's intuition or like at the poker table, they call it a soul read, like I read his soul, I knew he was bluffing, uh, in survivor, like like a lot of times though, like you can go back and you can see there were signs, but they may have been subconscious that you didn't see. But I do think there's something to like. I don't want you to get all too excited because I know you're into crystals and energy and Miss Leo and all of that stuff, but like there is something to it. But I wouldn't base my whole life on that. You know, I wouldn't base my whole life on that.
Speaker 1:You know you wouldn't base your whole life on your intuition.
Speaker 2:No, well, no, I wouldn't, because I feel like intuition combined with like these other things.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's the thing. It's like paying attention, like you call it intuition, but like you pay attention.
Speaker 1:This person did this over and over and over again they're probably gonna do it again.
Speaker 2:You know they have a history of doing it no, he promised me he was gonna change. Yeah, yeah yeah, I feel like we've had this conversation before this time he meant it hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1:I may have recorded it somewhere too no, you're right, it's because as especially for me as a woman like we do have strong intuition, but it's there's also times that it's not necessarily intuition and it's fear, and you have to just be able to decipher what, what was really talking to you, and and use your knowledge base and your gut. You know.
Speaker 2:But you know interesting that you bring up fear, because fear is an emotion where, depending on the situation in real life probably not, but in these games you can really use it to your advantage. You can use it against other people. You can identify their fears, because the truth is right. If you want to manipulate a situation, all you have to do is understand what motivates the other person and prey on that. Some people are motivated by fear. Some people are motivated by fear, they're afraid. So if you lean into that, then you can dictate their actions, which is pretty ridiculous. I mean, that's like a tactic that you could use in a game like Survivor or on Traders or something like that. But in real life it would.
Speaker 2:In business, it would be seen as unethical, even though it happens all the time with, like corporate takeover right, you see it where. Or real estate deals, or, you know, like people fearing, like they're going to lose, something like the fear of loss is so much more powerful than you know. The opportunity of gain, yeah, right, like if, you, if, if, if I offered you, you know, or anybody, your entire net worth over the over a seventy five, twenty five flip of a coin that was weighted three quarters in your favor. So three out of four times you're going to win that bet and you'll double your net worth, but one out of four times, potentially you lose everything. A lot of people would say, no way, I'm never going for that.
Speaker 2:The math says you should always go for it. It's skewed in your favor in a big way, but the prospect of loss is so powerful that you would lose everything and have to start over. It's paralyzing to some people and I think when you talk about risk versus reward and making decisions and how you act, a lot of the people that are able to understand that risk and manage it and embrace it ultimately always end up going further, right? So in that example you can use in all aspects of life. But, like everything is how you feel and whether or not how you manage your own risk factor, in whatever it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and in that, in the risks that you take. I mean you have a family, you have four girls. It's a little bit more of a responsibility when you're when you do have a family to provide for. How do you manage those fears, knowing that there are so many people that rely on you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's calculated now, right. So like I'm not 25 years old and risking everything on the flip of a coin, even if it is weighted three quarter 25, right.
Speaker 2:But I think understanding the risk and being balanced in your approach, right, like so, you don't want to be too safe all the time. If you're always take the safe path, the super conservative path all the time, you're never going to get anywhere than where you're going. As a matter of fact, you could lose, you know, in the long run. From a financial point of view, if you keep your money in the bank and the interest you're earning in the bank doesn't outpace inflation, your money is worth less year after year after year and eventually you're going to run out. But, more importantly than finances, the clock is ticking for everyone, right, and I know you're going through it with your dog right now, but every one of us has an internal clock. We're only here for a certain amount of time, so how you choose to spend your time is up to you, and that balance factor is really. You know, everybody has to weigh that equally differently for themselves.
Speaker 2:The biggest thing I've learned now at my stage of life is there's no destination. We're not getting to be anywhere where we're going to watch it on a beach and that's it. Like this is it? The journey is the destination. So a little bit the my phone rings like you want to go do this. If I want to go do it, I'm like, yeah, let's do it. You know, at the same time we've got to balance family because you've got to make sure they're good, make sure you know they're accounted for and they're getting their cup full. You can't just focus all your energy on getting to a place, because then your time will run out. The other thing my dad always told me, which I thought was important, was that if your cup is not full, you can't give to anyone else.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's true, so make sure you take care of yourself too, and sometimes I'm guilty of running here and there and doing everything and I forget to do that and I get burnt out.
Speaker 1:But yeah, Any other life lessons you need to know Well so when you walk into speaking of calculations, like when you walk into a room do you like scan people for their body language?
Speaker 2:For the record, we we gotta take a little break here and I gotta let the people know this is like the nicest you've been to me for the longest period of time at one time without losing it.
Speaker 1:Usually something happens, so let's just lock it down, okay right, this is like we've gone 33 minutes of me not calling you a bad name or making fun of you.
Speaker 2:So this is not normal, guys. This is her television persona.
Speaker 1:Do you want to be on the show every week, just so that you can get my nice, the nice Sabrina?
Speaker 2:That's the show that would pop off. We get the real Sabrina. Nobody needs to see that. Nobody needs to. Real Sabrina Nobody needs to see that. Nobody needs to see that. Nobody needs to see that. I agree.
Speaker 1:But when you walk into a room, do you scan people?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I just kind of feel like I'm aware, I'm aware, I've just been perceptive of what's going on and I'm not trying to size anybody up or anything like that. But, um, you know, simple, like lessons that I've learned throughout my life, that like just come natural. Now that I don't I'm not trying to analyze everybody in a certain situation. I mean, let me preface it by saying if we're playing a game like Survivor or Trade or the Deal or no Deal Island, then I'm absolutely paying attention to everything, even little micro movements and sayings, in every little detail, and I pick up on on it. And that's because of experience I have. But in a normal, everyday setting, if you're asking me if I analyze you on a secret celebrity renovation, absolutely I do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you, you're not always right. You're not always right, and I've told you that just when we were shooting last week. You were wrong about something and but you're always adamant that you think you know it all.
Speaker 2:But that's the next episode. Twice in the last 20 years is okay, right um, I can't wait to see you on traders.
Speaker 1:I can't wait to see you on traders it's going to be my appointment television that I haven't had in years, so I I'm looking forward to that, because olivia and I loved watching you on Deal or no Deal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, deal or no Deal Island was fun. It was a different format. It was once I understood. You know the game and I picked it up pretty quickly. It became a lot of fun and it's a fun show Until you cheated. Traders is different in a lot of different ways, but it's always. You know, it's hard now for me to go play these shows because I have such a reputation and people know me and everything, but at the same time I love the challenge of it. So it's going to be fun to watch.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you that I can't wait For everyone who's listening. I'll put all of Rob's information on the bottom. Don't even bother dming him, he doesn't even read him. So just, it's gonna be a waste of time. I'll argue with you when you're out. Well, thank you, rob, for being on the show. I hope you're over. It's over, see, I told you it was gonna be painless I know how nice I was you.
Speaker 2:Finally, let me come on. Okay, I've been asking you forever.
Speaker 1:Wait, don't hang up. What do you mean? Don't hang up?