Episode 80: Questions Answered About Keto

This episode is about responding to specific questions sent in from a listener in London.  The questions are thoughtful, well organized, and probably some of the ones many people have been thinking about for a while.

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Hi, This is Dr Karl Gold Camp. If you're interested in learning about the ketogenic diet like I was to save my own life, then this is probably the podcast for you. Eight years ago, I knew nothing about it. Six years ago, it saved my life. Three years ago, I started researching and talking with some of the authorities in the field and attending medical conferences about this. To understand why and how Kato so dramatically changed my my wife, studios lives. The first of his podcast is to share our journey of discovery with you and understanding how Kato is so effective improving so many different conditions from obesity, epilepsy, diabetes, infertility, M s, Alzheimer's heart disease, a name a few. So take a step away from all the hype you've probably heard and roll up your sleeves with me and join me weekly to explore this living miracle. Then anyone can access. We'll talk science. We'll talk food. Well, explorer, its history and evolution to today, which is that the sheer wonder the ketogenic way of eating has changed untold number of lives, unlike anything before and in case I forget to mention it, please join our Facebook group. Kato Naturopath. Hi, This is Dr Gold Camp And welcome back to another episode of the cuter naturopath. First of all, I don't have to apologize a little bit for my Leonard Cohen voice. It's kind of a nice voice. Makes me wanna sing its song. Everybody knows that the dice are loaded about that. A month ago, we had a hurricane here in New Bern and after doing a couple days of work around cutting limbs in any outside. But I feel that something was stirred up and I picked up something. I usually get sick. Uh, right after that, we had a conference to go to in the Phoenix, Scottsdale and then upon it, coming back from that, we had to drive up to Boston of your 800 miles house so my wife could have her checkup annual check up on her post seven year men Ngoma that she had removed after a 13 hour surgery. So all that was good, by the way. Well, that was good. So today I would like to focus on somebody sent men sent in a number of questions and a vory ther away. And I thought it deserved his own podcast. A lot of people will send one question and then, like, sort of wait for the pile to get high enough before I address it as a podcast or I'll slip it in. So this is from a person named Alessandro Alessandro. As I understand it, I don't know. It's a man or a woman, but a great name. It's the Latin form of the word Alexander, which is from the Greek Alexander Rose and basically means defender of man. Think of Alexander the Great, So it's quite a name. Another its ultimate warrior, your moral marble image. So the questions for today to be get right to it were primarily from Alexandra. Oh, and I thought it was really well organized, spot on and thoughtful. So I'm just gonna go through and respond to some of this as a rolling conversation. And so I hope you enjoy it. Not also, every so often I want to repeat the larger context of Where am I coming from? Have you ever asked yourself, you know why is this not a more commercial featured in podcasts? Why is this not sort of monetized and dance your ways? It could be, but I chose not to go there. The reason I chose not to go there is pretty much my reason for being on the ketogenic diet was for my episode of crones and ulcerated. Collide s wood has been put in remission a number of years ago. And there's so many people that suffer with that for decades on whatever medication and so on so forth. So I went deep into microbiome research. I flew to various international medical conferences to talk to the world experts on what all that was about and who was using various treatments around that. And it was fascinating, but I found it was incomplete to a certain extent. Then I found my medical training to be incomplete to a certain extent as well. So on my wife, of course, concurrent with my initiation would had men and Juma. So being a physician and having these two negative situations in your own home forced me to reexamine my context for what I knew and the kind of medicine that I was practicing and then how medicine actually is in this country, which is to address the symptoms. Maybe I was doing it naturopath thickly I had cancer patients and autoimmune and all that, and I feel that I got progressively better. Certainly have some got very much better, but I think it could have done a much better job around. The concept of the ketogenic diet low carb, high fat diet, I think has tremendous benefit. So with that, I mean these podcasts or weekly explorations of a topic that's related to that. But the point that I mentioned that origin my origin is because this is continued research going forward. There's still a pentimento me. Many, many medical conferences on this pretty much know all the speakers by first name for many of them. And there's many, you know, there's just a lot, not a lot of data. When we get to some of these questions, it's about opinion then. So what? I look for our speakers that have, ah lot of either their own experience that really documented. So it's an end of one, plus their medical knowledge. Put those together. That's a great conversation. Oh, are you? Take people like I say Steve Penny or Jeff Volek. People involved inverting help. They have a whole project of experience kind of quote unquote princes around that, and they have their medical training. Jeff Alex, PhD and Steve Phineas and empty. And so and that makes those people interesting to listen to. So that's the combination they look. So Dr Westman is both. And so you you know, these air interesting people to listen to and their stories, and they have pretty much an endless reservoir of experience to choose from. Okay, so that's the point. I'm not trying to sell you on the ketogenic diet. I'm going further. I guess this whole thing could be called a deeper dive in key toe now, plus two years into it. But it's pretty self serving that serving itself of me. And I thought there was worth getting out of the way. That's why these topics that come up are pretty much me driven. And I want to go deeper on it, and especially if I feel there's topics that are not covered very well, you know, they're sort of pushed to the side there. They're not looked at, you know. So in a lot of the Cato Guru, the circumference is a certain things that are gonna be talked about that just then I want to go there. And so I hope that's kind of the under underlying assumption that you get as well when you listen to this. This is my perspective. So in getting to that was an droz questions, Let's just jump in, says Personally. I'm trying to embark on the ketogenic lifestyle. I find it difficult to reach the proper amount of proteins fats, chronometer, which I talked about a lot. Um, I have no association chronometer, and the only reason I like that chronometer is that it's better than in terms of me being able to use with clients. I get to see what they're doing, and so I like those features, but it doesn't make it any heads and Children better or anything else. But I just like it because I get to know it and I got toe help. People that way helps a lot in my path to achieving a Kato balanced Mac rose, but I'm feeling I'm missing something. The only way I can increase fat is by using oils, mainly olive oil, coconut M C T. Sometimes I have a few issues with digestion, which common tests aren't detecting it. I really struggle with my gall bladder appendix when I eat my meals, 98% organic gone away. I take probiotics. Digestive enzymes. It seems to help a bit. Excluding that nuts helps further, but makes it more difficult to reach my goal with proteins and fats. I'm lactose intolerance. I can handle butter, but consider the extensive info provided in a couple of episodes years I have decided to avoid butter as well as G would. Palm oil was kind of the first question where palm oil felt fair trade Be an option. Let me go back over a couple of these things. Okay, so, fats, in general, let's talk about that. So when we look at olive oil, then you can. You can throw an avocado oil. For the most part we're speaking of, Why would you use that means that it's not bad. It's ah, Oleic acid, all fats or assets, by the way, So I can say that nobody calls will be a fat, but it's only a acid. It's a mono unsaturated, and it's the same fat you confined in. Cow's milk is the same fat that's an avocado oil, and so there's a fine It's a mono unsaturated. It's remember we've gone over Fats saturated fats are what I call that mono filament has just one straight line and with hash marks going along saying every how everyone to make those hash marks or where the carbon atoms are so a 2468 10 it just keeps on going out by twos. So you have saturated fats, which are monofilament mano when saturates means they have a double bond in there someplace, have one double bond mano saturate. So that's olive oil. So olive oil, avocado, coconut oil, M. C. T. So coconut oil is a little redundant with M C. T. Coconut oil, technically is an M C. T. Coconut oil is usually combined of to fats, which is C eight and see 10 Capri like acid, and I think it's heuristic acid. But both of those were considered M Seti's medium chain fatty fatty acids, so it's kind of redundant. So coconut oil and sea teas are pretty much the same when we talk about our M C T horses. See eight Exclusive and it is from Palm. Now, the interesting thing about palm oil is that you have the fruit, and then you have the Colonel. So probably the healthiest oil in the world to have and has been for a couple 1000 years, at least in terms of documentation, is palm oil to squeeze Mama. Let's all they did before it. Squeeze the heck out of it. It's also called Red Palm. So means you get all these two get mono of saturates. You get a lot of nutrients, then you get some nutrients and avocado oil. And huh? Olive oil as well with palm oil And I were just talking about squeezing palm oil. We're not talking about palm oil, the M C T that we have or anything else. It's just squeezed the old fashioned way and it comes out red, the fruits red. Then it's just loaded Absolute ID with nutrition. I could do another podcast on that. But the important thing is, if you're gonna go in the palm oil direction is, it really has to be our SP. Oh, so not just fair trade. Fair trade really doesn't mean anything in the palm oil world. That means something in the coffee world of the copy beings, and it means something in the timber world. But it doesn't mean anything is not a term that has any legitimate value. Okay, so r s p o. Roundtable on sustainable palm oil. And you, you would look for red pomp stars Pio, red palm and probably expensive, so just sort of peripherally talking about our product. So what is our life? I just said this wasn't about our product on our product from family, right? So when you get into the palm kernel and just now were popping out, that little seed were squeezing this the heck out of that? That the the highest percentage of palm the highest percentage of any fat from palm oil that you will find in that red palm oil is called palm manic acid. Gee, what a coincidence is called Palm Medic acid. All right, so what is problematic acid? Paul Minnick Acid is a 16 length carbon saturated fat. So you're on. I don't want to listen to step aside, it's getting to be too much about chemistry. The that is a May. When you get in taquito, you start asking progressively more and more technical questions, and this is exactly how it's gone with Alexandro, and that's good for you. So What they do is they take in its the roast politic, most prolific oil in the world. And so it has the most number, different fats and mostly saturated fats. But it has mono and a few others in there. But it has all these other vital nutrients antioxidants, which the other oils do not have as much at all. If they have it all but has a lot of Semitic acid, so poetic acid actually has broken down, Um, quickly into two eights Make 16 said on eight, is compare like assets in our back to the product that we have. So it's the largest supplier of of acrylic acid, among other oils in the world. But it pretty much comes from Dominic Acid. I hope that was a little bit of sense, is just saying it's the most prolific plant to produce oils, period. Whether it's coconut or avocado or any of these, it's produces more oil per wait on Earth, and that's why it has become, in essence, such a problem. It's been such a successful crop that started in North Africa and was introduced to the Southeast Asia, I think over 1000 years ago and Now it's become, um, you know, it's pommel here, about palm oil, are decimating the jungles and so on, so forth. And they are. But the reason they're doing it is because they're so successful. They you get more product, you will write more fruit, more oil. That's the the end product. We're getting more oil than any other fruit that you could put there. But the thing is, you need to choose our SP own. These air is a big global issue. Actually, it's World Wildlife Final Fund 2010 I believe, started working with these big companies is saying, You know, wait a minute, Can we not kill the whole world because we're planting palm oil that you guys need in your various products, whether you make chocolate bars or baked goods or even aviation oil? I mean, that's how amazing this palm oil is that what you can get? So it's our SP Oh, you have to go ours, Pio. And there's a lot of certifications about that, and it's the real thing, and we did an episode on that back. I don't know the number, but it's worth looking into, so that's my deal on that so relative to the oil's A couple things. The assumption is you need to increase your fats well. It is high fat and low carb. That's what we call a ketogenic diet and moderate protein. So it's only initially really the increase your fast. I don't think I increase my fats anymore. I I hardly do any sort of brain work on terms of what the ketogenic diet is, because I've done it before. Obviously, I was in deep with understanding my macros and so on so forth. So I don't feel it's not phobic about having more or less protein and more or less fat. But there's a common sense that it's sort of becomes normal and becomes the natural thing for you to do. But you have to break away from all the processed foods. That's actually the harder thing to leave behind at the processed foods. If you're only thinking about Mac Rose and you're having processed foods, that's a bad deal, you know, that's that's a pretty screwed up deal. You just don't do that. So it's really about whole foods to me after now two years of this podcast, and I think six years of our own lives doing all this. The first step is stepping into whole foods and stopping processed foods. Listen to the three part of you and Dean did on Jane Joan Eflin about processed foods who employ your mind and Dr Christopher Palmer as well. It's a big issue, So stepping into whole foods step one Step two is yes, understand your macron's. But a Mac initially will have to up your fats because you'll need to feel full. You'll be feeling pretty hungry. How much fat? Well, the way I do it is when I set people up in corrupt chronometer, I lock him in at 20 carbs per day, and then I set up another protein requirements. So I calculate them on their ideal body weight. So if it's a woman five eight, you know, I look up and, by the way, feel free to go to our Facebook group. I have these documents there, and I'm not gonna go through it line by line, but I look up the ideal body weight so she's £300 overweight. I don't count those £300 overweight. Obviously, I'm making that up. Some people could be that the look of their ideal body weight. That's the protein they need for their muscles, tendons and everything else is sustained on a daily basis. So we calculate that, OK, based on that. And so what is that? Um, well, and this is the number I I started like everybody else started reading the books. The art and science of Low carb living the art and science of his athletic training again by Finney and Bullock. And that started. And they've changed. Their numbers swell over the years. And so I pretty much use 1.5 and 12.6 grams of protein per kilogram. Body weight. I'm gonna come back to that later because Alexandra asks about having too much protein. So anyway, so that's how I calculate that locking the carbs a 20. Then I calculate what the proteins are. They get the calories in that, then I've also calculate which they're BMR should be on there. Ideal body weight. So how many calories they should use? So now I've distracted to carbs, subjected the proteins, and I'm left with this chunk. That's just gonna be the rest is gonna be fat. So that's how he started his pretty simplistic start. But that's not where you should stay for the rest of your life. This isn't a little box. This isn't a little prison that I put you in or having yourself put yourself in. It's just a place that you get to know about. How much protein should you have a day now? How much fat? That's a lot of fat in the that's you're gonna find your fats gonna drop off. If you have thought to lose your fats, gonna drop off will be using yourself, but it's not gonna happen right away. I would say Go a couple months and you'll find your fat with the fact that you consume will drop down and you'll start burning some of your own pat. And that's when you start losing some weight. Alexandro, my creature, were The reason is you're doing the ketogenic diet, but you're not doing it for weight loss. That's interesting. So I'd say maybe you're doing it from it. The clarity or maybe you're doing for immune support. I don't know that that would be helpful to be able to address that, since I don't know that. But that is a lot of that people start with and therefore some of the questions. Come on. What about my gall bladder? You know, what about digesting all this fat? What about my microbiome? Well, guess why people do not know. Scientists quote unquote. There's a lot of he said, she said, Whatever. They don't know what a healthy microbiome is. They know definitely what an unhealthy microbiome is, and I mentioned this in a number of podcasts. It's what you know. It's when that one family or species or whatever of bacteria primarily is overproducing. So they say, Well, why is this overproducing, you know? And then it's used because it had antibiotics or not. Usually dietary Lee induced. Or they've something they're eating or something they're exposed to, or the history of antibiotics. That's what you called C diff. That's how you get there. So they really don't know what a healthy that used to be. Oh, well, what you need Everything evenly distributed. No. Now they're realizing that, you know, having if one has a high fat diet, relatively speaking, to the standard American diet, which is high carb than high fat, is that a high fat diet makes its own. Your microbiome, which is viruses and bacteria. And archaea and fungal parts actually do very well. They do quite fine, and there's a number of papers that have come out. It's not etched in stone, by the way to say this is now the healthy Microbiome. No, it's not. These are all very new sort of topics to be digging into. But the important thing to extract from that is that it's not bad to have a high fat diet sent, like, bad for your microbiome. So the issues of all I need to have about balanced microbiome okay, what exactly is your balanced micro, Maya? I don't know. I don't know. I think I'm supposed to have some plants, so I don't know. Think should have some fiber. Well, I don't know. Well, I don't I don't know how to answer to those. Those were kind of just not substantiated concepts. And so concepts of falling by the side Or do you need to eat plants at all? Do you need to have any carbs there? We know they're not essential. You have a central proteins and you have a central fats, but you don't have any of central carps. And so therefore, the concept of fiber which is not inert, does have Clark that various protective fire. Well, shouldn't we have fiber for our microbiome? Well, that's a concept we're borrowing from last 50 years. Saying, Well, that's valid. Maybe that's not. Maybe we will have a healthy macrobiotic with a kid. You Jenny. So now what? Rawls, After you get through this technical window of knowing where your macro Zahran and I do suggest you track them, you've got to get real in terms of saying, OK, what does this look like? And how much you know how much protein I were talking about protein It is harder to do. It is a vegetarian is a vacant vegan. I can certainly attest to that in terms of clients thereof, But proteins really gonna be animal protein. That's gonna be mammalian protein, fish, poultry. And that's about it. That's a big categories, and you're gonna get to be ableto eyeball. How much of a stake do you have? And also, when we get the animal protein, you really are gonna have to address the issue of head to tail. I'm not saying you're gonna have to have brains and eyeballs and so on, so forth. But you're gonna have to sort of open up the big picture and not just have muscle meat. And why I say that Because the nutrition of what they call Oregon needs, such as liver, kidney and spleen and so on, so forth. But in very least liver, this huge. I mean, it's the highest source of coleene and B 12 and folic acid. So if you're not having liver, you're not going to get as much. You're gonna get very little of some of these components. I don't know if you get any coining and steak, but consequently you're gonna have a number of problems. Neurological else. Why? So when you enter in taquito and trying to be an open minded person stepping away from processed food and in the whole foods, you're gonna have to think about these organ meat. So if you want to just liver, that's great. So now when we pretend we go back 1000 years in time and see what they ate, they did eat every thing. You know. They boiled those bones down so they had bone broth as a a daily soda. So to say, it was always there, so they had that bone broth could be another one, by the way, to have, because you're getting a lot of things in the form of how you're getting it that is very at very diverse. I was gonna say, Hold a statement. That's an overused word, but it's very diverse and very broad and very soothing to your get Natalie. That's how we entered and get a 10 indictments for learning out of big bone broth and you'll be experts before you know it. And liver, I'd say those two things you really need to include at some point. And don't just be I'm having lamb or having chicken around. Just that's fine, but chicken livers. Another great thing that, but it's liver. So, um, you don't have to go to brain. You don't have to go to the other organs, but if you're never going to consider doing liver, have you're never going to consider doing bone broth? Then I don't think you're gonna be It's gonna be a healthy diet for you. That's the bottom line. That's what I have learned in the course of two years. And Alexandra, I'm talking more about you and more about the questions. I'm not pointing to you specifically, so I hope you pick out. Um, but that's it. And that's the bottom line. People don't want to hear. So let me progress there. So we talked about Fats, and so all right, struggle. A gall bladder defend, except one's increasing their fat initially. And they have these problems. Yeah, You're gonna have some sensitivity is gonna be a transition. So there's a couple of things you can do when as you transition slowly but knowing eventually you're probably gonna be dropping down your fast because you just don't need to. You're You don't need to have that much fat. If you're fat enough to lose fat, you've had enough. But you'll your body will will step up. And your gall bladder is nothing but a sack with a slight muscular structure. To it is think they're that squeezes out the bile from your liver that's been accumulated. So when um, I'm leading up to some people don't have gall bladders, they ask. Is this a problem? No, it's not a problem. So I would say Go slowly and yes, temporarily. You could have digestive enzymes to things like ox pile. Those are light paces and essence your bar borrowing somebody else's bile, which is impulsive eyes your fats. So if one has gall stones, which means that they have had, ah, bad diet for a while that some hormonal influence there, for sure. But it's mostly about the bad diet that they get these blockages, these stones in there, gall bladder in their gall bladder sack, in essence. And so every time he gets squeezed to squeeze out some vile to multiply the fats that air coming down through your intestine, it's gonna be a painful squeeze. And so with time, your body adapts. But that's how people transition is to adding of something like ox bile like pace. But that ends up not being necessary. After a while, you mentioned about probiotics, probiotics and more about Microbiome. I don't see there's any necessity. The only way and why I use probiotics is if you were ever have to be on a antibiotic. It's a good way of taking probiotics so you don't get so you don't get wiped out with your probiotic. Sorry. With your antibiotic completely. Okay. All right. I always think about having water throughout the day. Not a lot of water, but it's I just put that in there because often it wasn't mentioned here. So now we know about palm oil. Why? That said so. You're underweight. Here you go. Last, but not least from what I heard, the calories of person needs daily varies depending on the number of meals. Three meals, X two meals less than X when meal weighed less than X You know, I've never heard that you're sort of talking about intermittent fasting in reverse. And so the idea when you're trying to get the maintenance so you don't need to lose weight, you're trying to get the maintenance. We can assume your bm bm aria basal metabolic rate is kind of standard, and so the question comes, if you're gonna have one meal, that's a big meal of a lot of calories. So most people, at least we are at this point that we have primarily a dinner and we have a small lunch, and I'm fine with that. I don't have records, and that's it. So I don't think the pure meals you have, you need fewer calories. I think that's an erroneous assumption and I'll dismiss that because I just don't believe in it. So I can't address it. How it see, figure out a way of understanding how many calories and proteins my body requires. Been eating only once or twice a day. But once you do, it's macros. Figure it out. After that, you're just slicing it up. You're saying, Do I have one meal? Do I have two meals to have three meals? A negative. Here's my main meal and here's my to snack meals to minor meals. And so that's entirely up to you how you want to break it down. But I would stay within the collective average of what your total PMR is with those macaroons you already calculated and and try to be his whole foods oriented. It's possible. Okay, had simple, but that's how I think. Okay. And you mentioned the concept of saying some experts. There you go, whoever they are considered oil as liquid sugar, so they don't quite agree with the facts that we should use them instead that we should eat whole fruits, all those coconuts. However, as I see it, that would ram up carbs as well. I don't know what the experts are and the whole idea of oil as liquid sugar. I have no idea what that is. I want to go back. So if I was to have to make that statement correct, which I don't think it's correct is that I would say in your body your body has the ability to make any any qualcosa needs. So it makes its carbohydrates for you as you need them. That's called leukemia Genesis. It can make nearly all your proteins, except for those eight essential and, when conditionally essential amino acid. So it's a lot that it could make. So the liquid sugar. I don't know where to go with that, and I'll leave it at that. Does that mean that we cannot do bulletproof coffee? I personally do some sort of light bulletproof maca with coconut oil, sometimes N. C. T. For a total of 250. Killer Cal's Well, the whole idea of bulletproof, I think is it is stupid. Yeah, I was thinking of a better word, but sometimes when you slightly congested, you just go with blunt. So I do have some put put some oil in my coffee. I long, long ago stopped doing the whole blender thing. I think it's having that much fat and scarfing it down, but you're you're an exception. The sense that you're not about that loss, you would be pulling a lot of fat into your system, and you definitely would provoke a gall bladder problem if you don't have one. I mean, you're It's just so unnatural, completely unnatural there step in the concept of Whole Foods again. So when I say when I put in my copy now and it's kind of evolved and you don't need to copy me, I'm just saying I'm doing what works with me as I do put in some C eight and I put it in with collagen and I add a little stevia because I like a little sweet. That's where I cross into the sweet line that much this little bit and why do I like that? It really is my go to, um, and I have had that at 12. I don't have it for I don't have anything. My coffee before 12 and so I have that at 12 and it simply allows me to focus all the way on up to to dinner. So I like that I do that kind of for mental clarity. And there you go. They have to be at my desk around the laptop or doing something long, boring hours of something or other. Um, here you go. Okay, I hope that sort of answer the question. So I don't think a big wallop fat like that is both healthy, especially since you asked about your fat. And I think that you basically have to think about, you know, how did people eat? Nobody had fatty coffees before. It's a total contrivance. It's your falling one man's inning marketing ploy that he did very well in terms of getting out there. But no, it's not natural. And I don't think it's helping with the use of 100% fat cow butter be similar to using coconut oil. Well, I like fat cocoa butter. I'm gonna call it I like cocoa butter because it's a little more whole foods oriented in coconut oil. Coconut oil is already says to fats. They came from coconut, so you can say that's a whole foods to correct. But cocoa butter, which is expensive. That's a weak acid. The same thing in olive oil is same thing and cow milk that same thing in avocado oil and Paul Mitic and Serik Acid. So Paul Medic Remember, it's the C 16 and stare could see 18. They break. Did those air saturated fats murder monofilament line? Simple fact to break down, lopping off carbons. And so both of those air Good. A good healthy amount of saturated fat and amano I'm good with that. So there isn't an ideal fat, by the way, I think mixing up your fats and I have, you know, what do I do in life? My fats come from primarily the food I eat. So I have a liver. I have my meets with the fat on it. So whether it's tenderloin, that's nice. Rib eye. Are chicken with skin on it for lamb chops, so on, trying to keep it a ce fatty as possible. That's right where I could mine. So having different kinds of fats, I think, is more important than looking for an ideal profile. What a fat should have. Okay, I think that's illusionary. I don't think there is such a thing. Having variation is you're safer. Bet. Okay. How much protein do we actually need? And you set me yelling to Dr Eric Berg's presentation, and I thought that was interesting. And I think he's following traditional thinking, and I think he's an era that is going on. Information's been presented, but not his own experience. So what I mean by that is he talked about his breakdown on what? That's what Grams were needed for pounds and that's fine and needed pounds because we're in the United States and people think in terms of pounds, I don't think in terms of kilos. But however all researches in terms of grams per body, weight of grams per kilo, body weight. So that's just the way it iss. Nicola does the same thing. He's often his own trying to make his own little measurements. But if you want to compare it to research papers, you're gonna read about its grams of protein for kilograms of body way. There's £2.2 in a Q Oh, and so he gave me his numbers and I, and it really works out in my in the world's way of looking at it. 0.8 to 1.6 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. Totally agree with that. That's fine, but what it implies and what he talked about. Well, if you have too much, it puts a strain on your kidneys. Put strain on your kidneys. Well, guess what? You should ask somebody like that. It really annoys me when somebody speaks academically with no frickin experience to back it up that he said, You know, I had a patient that's came in, and so what? You have to balance that and a lot. Lot of Doctor, by the way, do get irritated when somebody says, You know, there's no upper limit of protein. Well, first of all, it's really hard to have that much protein in your daily diet. You know, it's just not there. You have What is common sense? You have your steak, you don't say. Now if I could have five steaks, do you know anybody? It's five steaks. No, they have pretty much all they can eat. It's their satiated with the fat and the meat that they have. So what he was saying, Well, this is what you should have. You have more. You put a strain on a kidney. Well, guess what? And dealing with that question, and I've seen that question asked, and I looked into it myself. There is no example of anybody who's ever had strained kidneys who didn't already. Here's here's the preface. Here's a disclaimer who did not already have a kidney problem. So for all those people that don't have a diagnosed and don't usually go in to get the blood work, they don't have a kidney problem. They can have too much meat is they want, you know, and and so that. And there's YouTube's You wanna fall YouTube's look, a carnivorous if you want to. And Sean Baker, who's an orthopedist, big guy and ah, the Contender And he has the world had the world record in. We're lifting of some sort of power lifting. He's a big guy, strong, and so he has up to, you know, 3.5 grams protein, 3.5 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. That's huge. That's twice the upper limit of what this guy here that you referenced Doctor Cherbourg so that strongly contested. I hope you get that. So working too much by the numbers gets to be pretty unnatural, so this whole window going through the macros, which I do encourage people to go through. And do they gotta leave it after they do that, The only way they're foods. You're gonna understand things, and they're they're waiting for their body to adapt to become reasonable. And again, that's after first step, which is to go into the whole foods. Okay, what is the impact and liver when doing ketosis continued fatty acid conversions, Any impact on a liver panel we should be aware of? Um, well, I don't know where you're starting from, so if you're stealing from your happy liver, I don't expect anything to be wrong. Some people do have increase in total cholesterol and LDL and I could care less, because those values are I no longer important to me and many other docks like Mae. And so we look for the change triglycerides, and we look for it, which, ideally get your tranquil surrounds her on 70 and your HDL minor now over 100 about 100 and five. And as a doc, when I was practicing, you bet I was looking for those lipid panel numbers and anybody who had, you know, total cluster over to 50 0 my gosh. But my total cholesterol is 300 my LDL is 1 90 But my HDL is 105 I think was the last one. And my triglycerides are 60. I believe that's perfect. Absolutely perfect. So, um, when you start having higher fats in your diet, you may see some of your lipid panel, which is not the same as your liver panel. I understand increase. And you can say then see Dave Fellman cholesterol code dot com. He's all about If you actually have a week that gets a week, he does of five have a lot of fat. So if you have a lot of fat way more than you need, you're gonna find out when you actually go in and get your lipid panel on your cholesterol will actually go down. Uh, that's an interesting question, but they also invalidates the test because you're going to have a look. A panel of experts too fast for 12 hours. So just, you know, So if some people go in, they fasted for three days. Well, that's a stupid person doing that. They should just do what's required faster. 12 hours, not three days and don't eat abnormally just to manipulate the test and less reduced, doing some experiment like they fell. Then it's because he's brought in a whole line of interesting questions, tohave. But in terms of giving a test on the value of that test relative, all the every else's numbers and the range and so on, so forth, just faster. 12 hours, you know, have a diet you normally have, and let that be the numbers. But you might see some changes doing, Kiddo. Is his dangerous call bladder. No, there may be some transition We talked about light paces and oxbow with card milk would keep g g b better. Um, yeah, it's better. I mean, it's basically it's it's butter. With the case seen taken out, I I don't do for whatever reason. I just don't do dairy. I am so strong in the no dairy camp and I love cheese. I mean, I do make my exceptions, by the way, but there are one or two months in between and why that is because I have of 16 years of clinical experience, and if I did nothing else did acupuncture and or ah, lot of Oriental medicine and not your traffic and environmental medicine and genomic work. But if you just took dairy completely, every dairy out of everybody's died, who I had ever seen. That and wheat oh, are gluten would be more a better idea. You see 90% improvement of everybody. That's how generalized that is. So dairy. It's just a whopping big deal and people love it. They find it hard to give it up. So I say Go two months given up completely. Bring back in your favorite thing, see how that affects you. And now you know what you have to discipline yourself about. I do believe that there is, um, require discipline and doing life in a healthy way. It just doesn't come easily. When we refer to dies of 1000 years ago, it wasn't that they were disciplined. They were eating what was available to them. The only thing was available to them. Now we're in a different situation in which we have to self impose certain rules of ur where certain better understandings of dietary necessities given we can have everything. OK, what about Keeper made of real grains? I I wouldn't go there. You can go there and you can tell me how you feel. I just don't do grains. You know, I my origin into this is where it was about gut issues. Just not going there. And I'm fine with life. I have you now You're asking about my life. I just said, I just don't think that greens, You know, there's a lot of historic 11 and say greens were the beginning of the end. So keepers, a better form of grains and no doubt. So play with it. You tell Mae as far as I understand fasters potential energy Oh, toxins in fat. This was in my earlier days of practice was a big, big deal. So the idea that most toxins are bio community and fats. That's why tuna, you have tuna. You know, the big Tunis, they have bio accumulated all the tune of all the fish Davey and the fish that those eights other. That's why they're high in mercury and others put mercury is the most noteworthy, especially with you know, that's all about fat. Found the fish than fatty fish is wonderful. So if it wasn't for those environmental toxins, tune in all these big fish would be wonderful to have. And now they're not wonderful tohave because we polluted the world well, there again, we have to sort of superimpose that particular knowledge not to never have to know, but not to always have tuna this way. I look at it. So how did those toxins relate to having a diet high in fat? That's a great question. You have to be. I'll tell you my answer to this. You have to be aware of the food you're eating. Where did it come from? So we like to get free range meets we hardly any vegetables anymore. So the nice thing about not eating vegetables we don't have to worry about all the pesticides and herbicides and insecticides used on plants. You know, we don't have to worry about paying them being organic or not organic, but I think there's a lot of fictitious claims about organic. I like organic. The concept that is don't have these chemicals on your food. An environmental working group has a great list of what are the worst plans to eat, called the Dirty Dozen, and then they called the clean 15 when they started doing the research. Oh, about 10 or 15 years ago. They certainly have my respect. Okay, so is there any supplements? Take. I wouldn't go that far. I would just say here on out, Be aware of what you're having and stay away from foods you know, Probably be high in certain toxins. AII the tuna and you can look the's. It's mostly fish, by the way and try to get healthier sources in terms of protecting us. And you're sort of raging on the issue of how do I get rid of toxins and so on? That's a whole nother topic will defer to another time if there's enough interest in that. Okay, I think I covered a lot. I'm probably gonna find out I missed. Here's one if doing fasting. Ah, 6 16 hours. Intermittent fasting. 16 8 24 4 But a bulletproof coffee. Take a person out of fasting, inhibit a Pato says Yes, it would. So when you've asked, you don't eat food. Food? Is that so? That is you're taking people out of I know you're thinking you're keeping him pinky toe so snowed out. But have you breaking your fast so you can't use You can say you're continuing the ketosis, but you can't say you continue in the past. And so people put qualifiers in front of the word fasting. They'll say protein, sparing past the idea that you're only having protein, but and you're fasting around that everything else is fasted, mean you're not having fats, and you're not having carbs of those pats and protein meat for sure, but except for that, you're not adding any extra pants. And there's also this water fast. There's bone broth fast, so these different fast are qualifiers and the degree you have anything caloric. It's gonna, you know, take you out of that faster. No longer gonna be fasting. But there's different reasons to do that. There's even a fat fast. I've not done that, and I've been protein spring passes. I think we're good. The nice thing about a protein sparing fast is your metabolic rate does not decrease, and you'll find when you do a water fast and have coffee and tease and so on so forth that your metabolic rate starts to decrease. That's been well documented, so this isn't new, but when you have a protein spring past, your metabolic rate does not decrease because you're getting enough protein you've already calculated. Okay, so, Alexandra, you get back to me and tell me if I missed anything and I hope I hit your high points. I really appreciate the fact that you line this up so well and ask your questions. And you really thought about this? And I can tell you're into the technical beginning and let there be a natural approach to bring, you know so And I think it does become It has to be doable. It has to be natural. You can't box yourself in. You know, the novelty of doing this will make you be statistically correct and so on so forth. But you catch people as you start, just like when the doctor bird video said I have not seen any problem with having more protein than the 0.6 grams per kilogram of body weight. But and then that's what I you know, I took my own blood tests and others, and so I don't see that problem well, and they're also it's really hard to have a lot of protein if you're having fat there with it as well. I do had some pats who and I do have some C eight on some of my foods, but we make our own mayo and May. It was my backup for many all. Mix it with something and I'll have it on the side. That would be the dip for the side, and that's about as far as I go. That's not to bar boring if you like meat and, um, we make a liver liverwurst, in essence. And so this is my way of trying to bring in Whole Foods into kind of a doable daily health supporting role. All right, I hope that helped you hope that answered everything. So until next time, well, I'll answer a number of other questions. But I've been behind on this for various reasons. Take care and looking to hear from your questions again. Goodbye. Hi, this is Dr Gold Camp. I just wanted to encourage you to send in your questions, too. Dr. Gold Kampuchea naturopath dot com Many of you have, and so what I've done with these questions that gotten back to mostly people I email but some of the questions that were so good and if they're overlapping to other questions I would combine them and try to put that into the topic of a podcast, either via one of the micro topics that are covered in an interview. As you know, we cover a lot of topics and any given interview or some of my own sort of reporting, if you will, on some of these issues. So please keep the questions coming. Feel free to send in an email and I will get back to you. One thing I want to say. A number of questions have come in in which I've given this answer and the email didn't work. So just make sure that you're receiving at the same email that you sent it in. And I think that might have been the difficulty so ill afford to your questions. I just wanted to make sure that you knew that I'm open to answer your questions. And I think this world of Kato is not just black and white. You know, it's nice that it's simple, but it's not simple for some. I'm really trying to, you know, go down as anybody, any of you who have listened to all my podcast. We started way back when history and evolution, epilepsy and so on so forth. You know, now we're seeing some tremendous overlap in various mental disorders, schizophrenia or neurological disorders that are not just epilepsy and also just for people and losing weight. It's sometimes pretty complicated for them to engage in Cato, and so they need some help. And so that's the whole point. Of least that's what I think I'm doing is exploring the world of why are there other factors? So in exploring some of those other factors, we've covered addiction. We've covered hormones, have covered nutritional deficiencies. We've covered certain metabolic lab results, and we'll go further. We'll even get thio, moron, genome and aspects that these are all just contributions that make for an obstacle for some people to engage easily in the ketogenic diet. This my belief and these are things that I've discovered, and I think other people have discovered some of these things but not ever put them together. So stay listening. Send in your questions and I will definitely get back to you. Goodbye,