Episode 104: What you have to know if you’re considering starting a Protein Sparing Modified Fast

Brian is about to start a PSMF fast and wants to know what he needs to do and what could go wrong if he doesn’t pay attention to what he’s doing. Great discussion and Q&A about PSMF and it's many benefits.

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spk_1:   0:00
Hello, everybody. This is Brian Peekytoe newbie checking in on behalf of Dr Carl Gold Camp today. In today's episode, I actually have a conversation with the doctor, but a couple of things that I was thinking about and wanted to consider when looking into a protein sparing fast, which I will actually be undergoing myself for about three or four days. I'd like to take a quick second to invite everybody to join our key toe natural path Facebook group to find us, just click the search bar and type in key toe natural path. And if you have any questions, please drop by to the website Kato natural path dot com under contact. And I leave any questions that you might have their pertaining to this episode Anything covered in the past or if you just have any questions in general that you want to leave for the doctor thinks I hope you enjoy and have a great day. Hi, this is Dr Carl Gold Camp. If you're interested in learning about the ketogenic diet like I was to save my own life, then this is probably the podcast for you. Eight years ago, I knew nothing about it six years ago. It saved my life. Three years ago, I started researching and talking with some of the authorities in the field and attending medical conferences about this. To understand why and how, kiddo, so dramatically changed my my wife, studios, lives. The first of this podcast is to share our journey of discoveries with you and understanding how Skeeto is so effective. Improving so many different conditions from obesity, epilepsy, diabetes, infertility, M s, Alzheimer's heart disease, a name a few. So take a step away from all the hype you've probably heard and roll up your sleeves with me and join me weekly to explore this living miracle. Then anyone can access. We'll talk science. We'll talk food. Well, explorer, its history and evolution to today, which is that the sheer wonder the ketogenic way of eating has changed untold number of lives, unlike anything before. And in case you forget to mention it, please join our Facebook group. Kato Naturopath. You

spk_0:   2:02
know what? What is the focus do you want to do?

spk_1:   2:06
Um well, first things first. I would like Teoh, uh, get back to some basics real quick. One of the first things I noticed. I noticed, since recording food and stuff that I had throughout the week so far eyes that I'm not quite reaching what I had set out for my protein numbers from definitely doing ok as faras caloric and take. You know, I'm definitely eating enough. I'm not reaching my desired numbers for macros, which for me for protein is a 30 percent of my total caloric. Okay, so when you do them

spk_0:   2:46
right, so let's back up. So your objective is what sort of to put it out there, like a masking tape over the top. The file. You know, your bride's objective is

spk_1:   2:56
I just want to see what the effects are for me from switching from, ah, higher fat diet to doing a protein sparing fast for about a week. Um, one thing that I'm curious about is you know, when initially we had started off and you know, I was venturing into getting a taquito, that was something that I had signed up for for 60 days. At this particular point, I'm going on the better part of almost form for ish months now. Ah, doink Ito. I've dropped about 40 ish pounds like somewhere in the name I fluctuate between, like 40 and 43 a Zara's total lost. But I was just curious as to why it was that for me to start this. Am I doing this for just a week? Is this just like this? Is this like a reasonable sample size? Are are my going into this with under the impression of, you know, if I do do this, it's going to be, you know, temporary. It's gonna be for a shorter stints than I would as faras like my regular. Don't

spk_0:   3:56
let me put some definitions here with terms so that this part is the protein sparing fast. And so we just did this last week for just four days. So I know what the effects are, even with me and then with Judy. And we're very different people. Different genders for sure. Um, that that the protein sparing mind if I fast it's little tail, meaning you're taking protein, but you're not doing fats or anything else, So it's a fast and all other context of the word. But what I find that definitive differences is the proteins who use. And so when we talk about what proteins to use its proteins. Such chicken Without the skin, it's eggs without the yoke. It's pork without the fatter on the side, because those were easy things. It's fish for the most part, or its you know, the the sardines or the uh in the macro that you can add, you know, apple cider vinegar to so those that's how sparingly are the fat but their whole food sources of fat. So as opposed to doing a quote unquote protein sparing modified fast with rib eye or with porterhouse or with, um, when I score with I mean, Sam would be fine cause suspicious of fatty fish. But you know, what we're trying to do is trim out the conspicuous aspects of the fat for a couple days. So for me, and we did it this last week, and primarily because Judy struggles with her weight comes from that huge diabetics. Yeah, uh, I was about to say, you know, they're so huge that they wouldn't know if they fell down there that big, you know, there and then. So she's really struggled with it in a number of generations, and so it is different. And as well as being a different gender. So we both had benefits. So for four days we did the chicken the way they get egg whites, the pork in the sardines. And so I dropped £5. I'm 1 66 down 1 59 I forgot what she did, but she says she can't do anything and she's always said no, this number work. This never worked. I said, Let's be real specific. So she dropped to £3. So now she's let's do this every week for three or four days, and that's fine. So now to you, what exactly are your implementing way? Needed it. I'm all about the details of the data guy. So what exactly are you doing?

spk_1:   6:21
A Sfar as what my plans are for the protein sparing faster. When did you last week? For the past week, all I have been doing is just my typical stuff this far as a ketogenic diet. I'm actually not going to be able to start doing Ah, the protein fast Until this upcoming week. Eso For me, it's Ah, it's been 65 65% fat, 30% protein with 5% or less. Okay, so when you

spk_0:   6:54
talk that way. I mean, there's like there's two languages, like to I find that, like two buses that go by each other and they're both in the ghetto lane And what is talking in percents? Because I don't know what that means. The way I talk about protein is grams of protein per kilogram per kilogram of ideal body weight. You know, that's kind of was out there, and that's what how people research it. So when they go Oh, my protein is, you know, percent. There's percent that I go, you know, I I don't swim in that language. I don't know. It just doesn't, you know, computer and a lot of people do. And so do you know, can you calculate, You know, for a guy your age and height and everything else how much protein you're doing per kilogram of body way? Ideal body weight. So let's say Brian swept for your 56 Are you in? Think,

spk_1:   7:43
um 55 I'm like, just ahead. We'll five,

spk_0:   7:46
six. So 56 And I don't know what that is for ideal, but my guess is your ballpark protein needs to be around 90 grams a day. I mean, I didn't figure that out, but I'm probably not off by

spk_1:   7:58
much 90 grams a day. OK, so we're going. We're looking at 90 grams a day. I'm actually opening on my current ometer right now, and we're gonna go to the very first day where I started actually checking this out Day one was 83 grams.

spk_0:   8:13
Okay, so I say that and this is I have to go check it, but pretty close with 90. And so when 90 is, uh, 90 is a 12 ounce for, but well, forget the revive the fat. So yeah, in terms protein, it's a 12 ounce or by subtracting fat. So you probably a little under the protein. Did he require is my guess. Okay, Uh, and probably not off by much.

spk_1:   8:37
And he said it and he said it was 1.5 grams per kill the guy. Look at what

spk_0:   8:44
has a minimal I go 1.5 Teoh up to two grams, but I calculate ideal anyway, but you can do it so line. You know, um and then I got All right, here's the bottom. You don't want any less than this. And if one is doing a proteins wearing one of my best. Only then I let them go. Hey, don't worry about the upper limit. Eat until you're no longer hungry. So if you have a lunch, you have dinner or whatever your whenever you protein. Thanks. Have until you're not hungry. Just work on not being hungry. It's usually higher. And, um, and it. Then you'll find that you're probably losing weight. They mean losing. So I take the upper limit. Often. I tend not to be so macro oriented other than ever. Now do it fast or not doing cars. All we gather whole food sources of protein. So go for it and take off the conspicuous fats.

spk_1:   9:36
Okay, so all right, so according to this, my ideal weight, which to me is kind of wild. I haven't actually weighed this much since I was a wrestler in my senior year of high school £136 for my height. And it's saying now that's going to be Ah, let me see 61 kilograms and we're saying at least 1.5 Wow, you pretty much nailed it. It's no 1.5. Very nice. Don't

spk_0:   10:04
go through it now. If he kind of memorized that The numbers. So there's that. And so what I say is all right. So, you know, use night. This is not rocket science. So used ideas your bottom and figure out what, 90 years? In terms of that, we're talking about the protein sparing modified fast, setting yourself up for a week, really even inject. Generally Macron's, you know, nineties your bottom. And during those three or four days or a whole week, whatever you want to do, you have that is your bottom. And just eat until you're not hungry, so you will probably never double it. It's hard to eat too much protein. You're probably go up to me the 138 140. And I doubt even that high on any given day. So and the choices I'd come down to our poor because you can trim off the fat around the side pork loin, you obviously the egg whites. And then you also say, if you're going to get home, like do you like, uh, one real egg with the yolk and five for a whites. And so he got a little fat in there, so I'm not gonna being devoid of fat were being realistic. Um, and we don't want you to go to protein powders or any other crap. We're just trying to be a little more holistic. Um, fish is fine, especially if you do the cancer can can't salmon, tuna and macro and sardines tried to discourage to know, Do the Mercury Sammons fine. And we used to add Tell people, Dad Mayo and at sea eight. Now we're saying at some apple cider vinegar, this isn't like a now and then we're saying for this particular situation don't have the fat. But if you add apple cider vinegar, you'll like it a lot more.

spk_1:   11:45
Okay, No, that works for me. If you If you hear me typing, I don't my keyboards a little loud I actually typing out some of the foods that you're recommending here, a zwei have this conversation, But But this is actually gonna be kind of interesting for me because I'm kind of at the point where I feel like I've have bottomed out in terms of my potential with my present diet. Although I could say with you know, pretty solid confidence that I'm sure all I did was manipulate what Macron's. I hadn't stayed pretty stringent to that. I would probably be able to get more out of what I'm doing. But this is actually pretty interesting, considering. I mean, you're saying Judy's wanted to do this for at least a few days a week? Um, most, every week. That's that's actually it's actually ah, kind of interesting here of this is something that somebody who has who is very deep in the life in terms of Tito would actually, you know, be looking forward and looking towards this to get personal results. I think I think,

spk_0:   12:43
yeah, I mean her, her motive aiming, besides being a woman, her old saying, It's a channel meningioma and it pressed up against the pidio gland, um, pituitary glands, all right, and so that really made a lot of her hormones kind of messed up, and so I think she's trying to come back from that, but anyways, it's not effective. Whatever we do is that as effective for her as it is with me. And so every time I say, Hey, let's do this and you guys know Ivory, Try that. I said, Let's really do this So this time we really did it this way. It goes, uh, lesson way. So now she's into it, you know, despite the fact that she thought she did. There's 100 times, um, you know, now she's into it, and so I'm fine with it. So you you know we have Ah, yes, she's really good cook, but so we have. Do God love the chicken breast ditches? The pork is really good, too. For a snack slash lunch, it's get your can of sardines or mackerel. Take out a couple cans motion together and in some apple cider vinegar, which also helps to sensitize your insulin. Nearly as an aside is very effective. So a so they say. When Mama is happy, everybody's happy. So she's found, you know, and it's a tool. We just finished up with our next group of guys that came through, and we in the last three weeks. We ended up at a protein sparing modified fast, and initially they said, I wish we did this earlier. I would have lost more weight, but now we have this sort of summary talk and so on so forth. I said no, it was perfect because they needed Be fat Adapted. So at the beginning of the program, he said have all the fact you can you know, Max out your fat macro we're gonna box in your metabolism So you become fat Adapted sooner than later. And those who did did better on the they got more gains Everybody got a game, Got more games on the protein sparing modified fast So once you've had it after what you have been Brian, Um, Now this is a tool that in the course it in, you know, you can do it in a situation You also can keep yourself from being ostracised in any particular social. You know, you go, I'll just do the chicken or the fish and I'm good and people see you sitting down and feel your like, shunning their carbs or cake. Whatever. I'm good. Good.

spk_1:   14:59
Now, uh, I know that for me, one of the most attractive things and one of the things I I grew to love the absolute most in terms of anything involving a low carb burkino lifestyle was the other benefits that come along with, you know, was in the way at this particular juncture, you know, losing weight isn't as important to me as my ability to get, you know, rest will sleep or dealing with, you know, less physical pain and having any of my inflammation and things like things of that nature, not not effectively as deeply as as Buzz before. Uh, should I be anticipating any changes in terms of the other additional benefits that I have already gotten from following a key

spk_0:   15:45
relationships? There's a shift. I think, um, when you take a real conscious approach to saying all right, we're really not do. In fact, this week, we're not too and conscious fat for this week or three or four days. I don't really think you have to do more than three or four days, but you can try it for me. What I like about it is there's no damage being done, but I think you're going Notre going to notice a sleep differences? A. Did I notice that? I don't think so. I don't think Judy did either, but, you know, suddenly there's this. Just like when you took away the carbs, your your kidneys had to adjust, you know? Think Whoa! You know, and suddenly you needed a add salt on the things you used and so on with fat you're gonna find, like I had the same amount of protein that I usually had, but I'm still hungry, so you're probably gonna have to My poor protein, At least when I went to dead, I went to bed. Fuller. I think my sleep was as deep. But you will notice a sense. I don't think there there's certainly nothing in the way of pain. All this, you know, don't I wish that was easy to take. Something like CRP here, your glucose, your key tones, your insulin and your CRP. That would be great, but never gonna happen for a while. But because you'd see that this would further could be an anti inflammatory. So depending on if one and inflammation and what that information was from then that would probably drop.

spk_1:   17:11
Now, we had discussed this a little bit in private, a little bit of about a week or so ago on I had asked about if there were any supplements that I should be looking Teoh acquire to partner up with what it is that I'm gonna be doing diet wise. Ah, for a few days once. I do actually start this. What? What exactly would you be recommending? As Faras is concerned,

spk_0:   17:38
the only thing that really is it is always the number one hits. You could say electrolytes, and and some people don't need to do anything. But, you know, it's like, Yeah, they're fine. Um, I do think, and I do use salt. I was never assault guy in my life, ever. And so in doing this and I like coffee and that's not necessary. If I like a lot of coffee and so up for me, I am conscious of actually putting salt in my coffee, and that kind of cuts the bitterness. It's also adding the sodium that makes up for the difference is kind of a natural way to having more sodium, and I actually don't put it on my food. But Judy creo and puts it on afterwards. But other than that, I would say depending if he only the only thing I found people who drink as much coffee as myself that they will probably get cramps, toes, feet kind of thing. Um, and if they're only doing for three or four days, it probably won't notice it at all. So what does that mean? It means they like we mentioned before, take magnesium. That could be magnesium. You know, sit trade. Mala late Glasson ate all those were fine. And it's this again. It's not rocket science, but the cramps that they're gonna feel when there's one woman that we've been working with, it is a little bit of an exception that we actually have heard you just table so she could you see, sold. She wanted to, um But she brought in light salt, which is the potassium service. We want to make sure she had enough potassium. So sometimes if this is the first sort of exposure, I'd sort of data. We're gonna go on assumption that people, the collective audience or talking to has already done Kato and they're already fat. Adapted. Well, then there's probably not much more. They're gonna have to do it all relatives, what they're doing. If they've never had to do electrolytes meaning salt, potassium, maybe sometimes or magnesium, then they'll probably have to consider it now. But if it's only for three or four days, I would say Let it be Aziz, Natural as possible. Just focus on the source of protein and make it fun and doable. So it shouldn't be an exercise and discipline. If you're so agree, go eat more.

spk_1:   19:44
Okay. Okay, easy enough now. And I know you said make it fun. And I know that that means ah, lot of different things to a lot of people when it comes to food in terms of things like, you know, seasonings on did stuff like that. Uh, are we drawing a line anywhere in terms of what it is that I can?

spk_0:   20:02
No. We use a lot of seasoning. I saw your seasonings natural. Meaning is pepper. And it is herbs and so on, so forth. Go forward. And I think that is the case with you in your background, you know, um, absolutely, The more the better. And you and, you know, learning the tricks of your heritage. You kind of think that's what we do. So, um, oddly, there's life. People who use salt generally in life put it on their foods. I've never put salt in my foods. That put it in my coffee. And so that would be the only thing that I had, sort of. If one gets cramps is drink more fluids for one and, uh, put salt in it. And magnesium. So I didn't take a mention. My coffee. I do take magnesium and Cal mag. So had you Agnese him glass in a mallet and separately. Cal bag once a day before I go to bed. Um, some people think it helps you sleep. Chinese medicine. You take your you take your minerals at night and you take your herbs in the morning. It kind of goes along with that. Um, so that's about it. It's hard to screw it up. You won't get in any emergencies if you get some cramps. They're easy to treat in the first case and get cramps. Drinkwater, second case drink and you put salt in your coffee or water. That's all potassium. That should take care of 90% of a fanatic and make me say himself

spk_1:   21:24
now in terms of because I'm sure at some point or another will I do this? I'm gonna be the sucker that ends up trying to do something with ground beef. For whatever reason, I can't get enough of that stuff. Should I be leaning more towards like the 1995

spk_0:   21:40
I wouldn't for these. Yeah, for this particular bracket of time. Yeah. Try to make it lean. So everything's clean. And now you're gonna choose all the foods you never troubles before because they're too normal.

spk_1:   21:51
Ah, One thing that I'm actually gonna be looking forward to a little bit is getting a little more sardine in my life. I've only recently just crossed the threshold to eating sardines on guy have become very quickly obsessed with, um so it's Ah, it's definitely Ah, nice. Ah, nice one toe having my back.

spk_0:   22:08
It is the go to food. Absolutely. Is the go to food? If you had to who live for a month of doing this, it would be sardines. He got some fats in there and so on. But sardines or get your calcium. You got so many good things and sardines, mackerels, air a close second. But sardines are actually unique, and they're not that polluted, like on the sense of, uh, tuna fish and sort of something else you don't have to worry about.

spk_1:   22:34
Definitely good to know. So this doesn't seem like it's actually going to be incredibly difficult for me at this particular juncture. I mean, I know a za quick comparison. When I first tried hopping back on the wagon for Tito, I tried sort of doing something someone of this. I just said, Hey, I'm I'm gonna just try to restrict my carbs. And because I didn't really have much in the way of, uh, bat sources of the time, it was basically just check impress and things like that and it felt a little challenging to may I mean, granted, I was still going through the growing pains of, you know, becoming fat adapted again. But, you know, uh, what was I think it was last. It was last weekend. Ah, I didn't really have a whole lot of time Friday, just ah, do the work and everything. And I came home. First thing we did was clean the apartment, just sort of whether went about my night, I managed to skip the entire day without eating. Woke up Saturday. I had a cup of coffee and, you know, like a bad vegetative person to started playing video games. And I was pretty much lost out there, and I managed to make it almost almost 40 hours without a meal, and I don't completely find. So you know, I feel like this version of you know before I continue effectively. What's happening here is my body is believing that I'm fasting even right, and that's

spk_0:   23:59
right exactly right. And also my reframe has been over all these years of doing it and working with people as much as we collectively think. Well, this is kind of weird how I started this diet and it's has all these benefits. I now try to reframe it by saying, No, this is actually you going back to how it should have been and I'm not is no glory to the diets like that. It's just that there's too much history behind this. There's too much support behind this to think otherwise, you know, and say now, specifically, we're talking about the lower fat protein is like OK, there was times in which we're Whatever epic you want to put yourself in archaeologically is that this is when they had those, you know, pelican jaw breakers that they put in their little satchel and they chewed on, you know, really dried meat for a number of days. This is what this is, and it seems very appropriate. Then they Of course, there's times in which they didn't get anything and they were lucky enough to have enough water. But this whole idea of going with low fat is not like Oh my gosh, these guys were really being, um, artificial, you know, contrived. Not at all. I think this is actually you go without the's moments of a particular macro, and there's very few carbs that one would have ever. I think archaeologically I'm speaking out certainly before less than 1000 years that you know what this is fine. This is kind of how people lived. And so now we go back to how you know many millennia that we developed our genes through. This makes perfect sense socially, though it does not make perfect sense socially were in a whole different place. Let's go to McDonald's. Let's go out. Let's go do this other thing. Well, us, Obviously not how our genes group

spk_1:   25:48
now, one thing that I actually wanted to touch touch back on really quick. But what I was saying look fasting outside of me being able to consume food, would you say that what the effects or what actually ends up happening in my body is more or less the same as actual fast in like a factual on a legitimate fast for, say, two or three days. Does your body undergo more or less the exact same changes? Or, I mean, what are the biggest differences between doing something like a protein sparing past versus actually faster? Outside of I

spk_0:   26:24
would say it does, in a sense, fasting. I think your body responds to lack of carbs. That's the first sort of like when you start dropping your carbs or have no carbs. Um, which is what Kio is for the most part in various degrees. Taquito, your body goes. What just happened? So it does where the key tones come from so you don't have to go fat less, obviously, to go get two key tone production. But keep telling, production comes out when there's no carbs, and so when you look at it, there's really just to fuels. You know it's carbs, which goes to glucose. Proteins are really interesting, you know. So proteins air became it was 21 or 22 arguably eight or nine. Essential is that the distance between glucose and protein you know, there are some amino acids that your body will respond Glace seem a clay meaning, like just like with those 100% of how they know that is that that wind a Michigan breath. Everything's what they call a respiratory quotient. It's either going to be honest amount of carbon dioxide over oxygen. That's where the measure covered. Excited, the mayor is your oxygen did agree. That's a one on one relationship. Equal amount of carbon dioxide, equal amount of oxygen 02 That that means you are burning carbs curly. And we're down to 70 than arguably 69.7. Sorry, 0.7 point 69 That means that they're measuring just in your breath. But you're expelling that you're burning. Um, that's so they've done this, you know, right down the whole of me to ask chain. And there's a number amino acids that respond just as if you were eating, uh, glucose for carps and because you know your body and that goes to your body can make us much glucose as it wants. And glucose as this fuel. It's kind of like a protein and disguise, if you will. It's slightly modified boom. You got it, so it's never a stress of the body to make his own glucose. It's never a question. So if you're out of glucose, not a problem, we got it. We got that covered. So the two fuels ours other fat, which is really the key toe source, right? The key does or is carbs and proteins. And really, they're the same stuff, is it? So when you look at that way and that's how the ketogenic diet was, they actually added up the grams of carbs and fat that started the carbs and proteins together versus the amount of fat, so you would get, um, ratio diets. They're like afford a ones or its fats than carbs and proteins together before the 12321 A 2 to 1. And that's the measure, because carbs and proteins, they're so close to each other, and some proteins are burned exactly insane efficiency by that respiratory quotient come out the same way. So, um, there's not much you have to do other than, uh, not have the fat and because then your body goes all right, we'll bring our own fat. You're not telling us what to do. Well, Bernero fact, and that's pretty much it. So in the bigger picture, when you look at protein modified, sparing fast, it's the same thing. It's just like a you know, you have your having a little more cumbersome way of eating carbs, if you ask me and some people who have done this. They said, Yeah, I did. I did lose way, but my glucose reading because they're doing cloak glue commoner readings came up a little bit. You know, they I'm usually 85 I was doing in my mid nineties. Why is that? Well, protein you're eating was quickly changed, digested, too, even though there's cross digesting proteins. So that's why there is a bad thing, certainly not huge for high, but they'd still lost the fat, which is really usually the motivation doing this

spk_1:   30:26
very cool. Now I know that I know that previously, and I don't know if you're if you still currently stand in this position, but I know that in previous conversations and previous podcasts, you would recommend trying, ah, fast every so often know throughout your year it would this be something that you could do in place of that, and if that is the case. Or even if it isn't in the even. If it isn't the case, would you still recommend doing something like this with some frequency? Be it for maintenance, so to speak. Or maybe other health.

spk_0:   31:04
I would you know, I So I've asked twice in seven days and number three day Fast and Judy, my 100 e My wife, um it feels more need to do that because of she has more difficulty with her weight. To me, this is central relief. You know, I don't like fasting. I don't like going three days without fasting. Yeah, I can do it. But I did it. Done it documented because they say got the T shirt. But, um, I don't want to do that anymore. This is absolutely the thing that I would put in place of that unless Judy Felts Hey, we're gonna go without for a day or two, Fine. Unless we can go up to our do our fast. But I find this is all the same benefits. In fact, I think mawr because, um, there's somebody Steve Phinney who works for. He's taking plug, amenities and a lot of work on this and I works refer to health. Ah, he's the first to say, you know, fasting. Isn't that necessarily healthy? Anything beyond a three day fast, you're starting to digest your own protein, meaning your muscle. So if you're eating protein, you've now protected your muscle so you're not digesting. You're not breaking down. You're not losing any muscle mass. You will be losing lean tissue only because that's a vague term. Being tissue means. If you're not eating anything, you have less in your get. Since that's Leslie Tissue, it's kind of a vague reference, but you're not losing any muscle mints. So I think it has a big upside, and it has the same. It has the same upside of that loss, which is why people generate fast. And it has. The other upside is you don't lose any muscle mints.

spk_1:   32:46
Nice, Okay, because you know that that's something about you know. It was a little bit of concern for me. One thing I was really surprised by was that when I first started measuring and doing everything with key to in the beginning is that actually saw, even though I was not working out or lifting weights or anything like that. I did see a slight increase in terms of, ah, muscle mass, which I thought was kind of counterintuitive, considering that, you know, uh, I was getting a quote unquote lesser diet, so to speak, in terms of what I was putting into my body. Of course, my thinking, in terms of what you need to build muscle or to sustain muscle was totally different animal than that it is now. But this being something that you only do for short periods of time, I mean, are there versions of this that people people actually practice their usual lifestyle wise in terms of diet? Ah, where where? You've seen similar things. Or is it is it pretty consistent that you just don't really lose very much muscle mass? It all? Yeah.

spk_0:   33:52
No, I think that is the same. So for you, if you maintained at least your 90 And once you eyeball with 90 years in terms of all those things we talked about, then you're good. Um, no, I don't see any downside. And how long people could do this. They could do this for weeks on end. They could do it a month. Where is I would not be saying that about fast. You know, I would say, Yeah, it would. I recently got into this, um, on Judy side. It's always came back, boss. And so she's much more, um, a different situation that my and my situation. But the reason we do this is because people who are drawn to fasting as a nothing water fast and people have high addiction. You know, the coming away from drugs, coffee, anything other, just these drivers. It's all or nothing, you know, they can have. Ah, okay. And the crazy life, you know, nondescript in there. I don't care whether diet, but they're gonna fast for a month, and it'll be good. And that's the kind of attitude that go beyond what's safe where necessary and get themselves in potentially trouble. And I seen this. We've had some former students this way, and you gotta pull them back. So I've been less about supporting. He's kind of fast, you know, obviously intermittent fasting. It's too bad shares the same kind of name that, you know, time restricted. Eating is fine, then, as we everybody does that and they should do that. But in terms of multi day Fast, multi week fast. No, I don't see a reason for it. And I see the downside can be very great, but it attracts people. We tend to one do one thing that's going to correct their life. So they're very I hate to say it this way. They see the world very superficially. They see their health very superficially, and they think that this will change everything and so on allows me to plug in something else to that kind of personality. There will be far safer and far more beneficial. So if they did this for a month, I prefer them not to go that long. And I have no particular hard evidence why I'd wish that. But start off small and see how it works. Everybody is so different than you don't know when somebody's gonna freak out because of something or other, you know, or something. So but anyway, this is far, far, far safer that a full on fast,

spk_1:   36:14
very cool. I'm actually looking forward to giving this, giving this a shot on D. Seeing what? You know what changes. Ah, if they're already changes, I understand that everybody is a little different and not everybody will actually get the same results to this If I have any results at all or so Uh, yeah, definitely. Definitely gonna be like,

spk_0:   36:34
I think if you think of fluids when you think of gosh, you can take a few cans of sardines with you and with or without the it's always nice Stand the upside of acre, cause they're kind of, uh it's been like sardines. But, I mean, you don't need much to make this work. Really? Um,

spk_1:   36:51
no, I'm seeing that now. And, you know, this is even simpler than than kids. I mean, it's kind of kind of heard of me. Uh

spk_0:   37:00
oh, no, I think what this is. I think this is evidence of this is the truth of how we can get by and how people dig it by. Mankind did get by for all our I was reading about the Pleistocene a while ago. I mean, hundreds of years, hundreds of thousands of years ago. I mean, this is how pretty much they ate. So anyway, yeah, by all means, get back. Measure is you know, I love documents of you Put your weight, or what you're gonna notice is your belly fat, however thin or fat you think you are, this is your own thing. Grab that once a day. This is kind of the same as measuring your waist. If you even have any fat on your waist is a guy. But you're gonna find that's gonna disappear. It's gonna melt away.

spk_1:   37:40
I'm definitely going to be looking forward to this one. Especially since, you know, uh, right now we're all in quarantine of New Jersey is an absolute hotbed for, you know, uh, people advocating, you know, for staying in just because of our numbers are pretty outrageous at the present moment. No, you know, outside of what I'm able to do here home, which is, you know, maybe some body weight stuff here, there. I don't really have, you know, the same means of being able to do things physically that help me take care of myself being rock climbing judges, right, going to the gym. So, you know, doing something for myself at this particular juncture. Just kind of feels right, and I'm looking forward to it and feeling very hopeful. I

spk_0:   38:20
don't know. I think it should be dramatic and backed that z you bring up a really good point. We are all locked in, and I think people go two ways they can't tolerate it, you know, they just get fit up, whether themselves or their partner of the situation or they actually use. This is an extraordinary opportunity to do something that didn't have the, um, willingness to have sort of a consistency to. So that would be diet. You know, they always said, Well, I got a work and deal since, Well, no, here you are, by all the food you need is, you know, So now become certain things can be done, and certain habits could be established. The family size individually once, you know, it's like so it's next. So people have taken this on and other things like this occurs, um, to really make a difference. And they go Holy smoke. So it's a great place to take away some lessons for that of the life that we think will happen eventually.

spk_1:   39:18
Yeah. No, absolutely. I think, uh, you know, I figured we're going to be having all this time to ourselves, and, you know, I Why not make this the perfect opportunity? Toe have a transformation. You know if that's something that you're you're looking to dio. I mean, there's so much more time now. Oh, that. You know, we as a as a population have just generally have now, definitely try to make the

spk_0:   39:42
absolutely Well, this is good. Bryant, I I look forward to it. We should have a follow up and tell us. You know, what you did and didn't do are what worked out for you, because it's got to be real world. This isn't putting people on some Mars, and a special diet is it works into ones life on, by the way. Yeah, you're one of the few people that are actually working and going outside your house. So, um, your unique in that regard it as well as others.

spk_1:   40:07
Oh, yeah. Ah, First of all, I feel very fortunate to be, you know, among you know, one of the few people right now that our ableto regularly get some working right now, but being able to get some perspective in terms of how I'm feeling throughout the day, one of those things that we had discussed back when I had a originally was having these conversations with you was that You know, at some point I was going toe, have so to speak. Ah, Haider. Ah, higher sense of what's actually going on with my body in terms of how I feel throughout the day being physically, mentally, emotionally, things like that. Um you know, for me, going to work isn't necessarily the most stress free thing. So being able to figure out, you know, how this might affect me in terms of, you know, my mood, the amount of energy that I have, things like that. These are all things that I'm absolutely looking forward to, you know, getting a ah better finger on the pulse, so to speak. And, you know, being able to take some notes sound role that because all of that stuff matters.

spk_0:   41:12
Well, good. So until next time, um, you know, I think it's neat your experiments that you do with my and they're nice enough to ask for my advice.

spk_1:   41:21
Hey, you know, I figured I have a great resource. It would be It would be foolish of me to not trying. Okay, I'll go with that, All right. Hey, you have a great day care. Think again. This is Dr Gold Camp I just wanted to encourage you to send in your questions, too. Dr. Gold Kampuchea naturopath dot com Many of you have, and so what I've done with these questions that gotten back to mostly people I email. But some of the questions that were so good and if they're overlapping to other questions, I would combine them and trying to put that into the topic of a podcast, either via one of the micro top Exeter covered in an interview. As you know, we cover a lot of topics and any given interview or some of my own sort of reporting, if you will, on some of these issues. So please keep the questions coming. Feel free to send in an email and I will get back to you. One thing I want to say. A number of questions have come in in which I've given this answer and the email didn't work. So just make sure that you're receiving at the same email that you sent it in, and I think that might have been the difficulty. So I look forward to your questions. I just wanted to make sure that you knew that I'm open to answer your questions. And I think this world of key toe is not just black and white, you know, it's nice that it's simple, but it's not simple for some. I'm really trying to, you know, go down as anybody, any of you who have listened to all my podcast. We started way back when history, evolution, epilepsy and so on so forth, you know, now we're seeing some tremendous overlap in various mental disorders, schizophrenia or neurological disorders that are not just epilepsy and also just for people and losing weight. It's sometimes pretty complicated for them to engage in Kyoto, and so they need some help. And so that's the whole point. Of least that's what I think I'm doing is exploring the world of why are there other factors? So in exploring some of those other factors, we've covered addiction. We've covered hormones, have covered nutritional deficiencies, we've covered certain metabolic lab results, and we'll go further. We'll even get Teoh more on genome and aspect. So these are all just contributions that make for an obstacle for some people to engage easily in the ketogenic diet. This my belief and these are things that I've discovered and I think other people have discovered some of these things, but not ever put them together. So I stayed listening. Send in your questions and I will definitely get back to you.