The James Granstrom Podcast - Super Soul Model series
Have you been questioning how to live your dreams and enjoy greater happiness, health, and wellbeing? I'm James Granstrom, male model turned international speaker and wellbeing teacher. Join me every other week for new lessons, tips, and conversations on personal growth, health, healing and spirituality with my inspiring guests or straight talk from myself. I'm here to guide you to become your best self and enrich your life, so you can tune and tap into your own natural state of wellbeing.
The James Granstrom Podcast - Super Soul Model series
The Power of Intention: How Group Consciousness Shapes Reality with Lynne McTaggart
Can group intention really heal, influence biology, and change reality? In this episode, we explore the science of collective consciousness and focused intention with investigative journalist and bestselling author Lynne McTaggart (The Field, The Intention Experiment, The Power of Eight).
Lynne shares compelling evidence from large-scale group intention experiments showing how human consciousness can measurably affect the physical world — from biological changes in plants to improved health outcomes and reductions in community violence. Designed with independent scientists, these studies challenge conventional ideas about mind, matter, and healing.
We trace Lynne’s journey from sceptical reporter to pioneer of intention research, and break down what actually works: why specific intentions outperform vague wishing, why short 10-minute intention windows are most effective, and how collective focus supports nervous system regulation, emotional wellbeing, and healing.
Lynne also introduces The Power of Eight®, a simple weekly practice where small groups focus intention for one person at a time — often producing remarkable physical, emotional, and psychological shifts.
The takeaway is practical and empowering: consciousness connects us, and when aligned with clarity and compassion, intention can heal and transform — personally and collectively.
Ready to test your mind’s reach? Follow, rate, and share the show with someone curious. Then try a 10-minute, specific intention with a friend, record what happens, and tell us your results.
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Welcome to this episode. Today I'm speaking with Lynn McTaggart, author of The Intention Experiment and Power of Ape, about the transformative power of intention and how it affects you. Get ready for an inspiring and scientific look at how our thoughts shape reality.
SPEAKER_02:Understand that you are intending at every moment. Your brain is not the repository of your thoughts. Your brain is and your thoughts are not locked inside your head. They're trespassers. They go out and they affect people and things. So what you're thinking, all of that stuff you're thinking, all of those judgments you hold are also an intention. So start thinking a little bit more consciously about what you're sending out to the world.
SPEAKER_00:Hello and welcome to the James Gronstrom Podcast Super Soul Model Series. Today we are welcomed by a true visionary, Lynn McTaggart. Lynn is one of the world's leading authorities on new science and consciousness. Lynn is an award-winning author of seven books, including The Field, The Intention Experiment, and The Power of AIDS. Her works has helped bridge the gap between science and spirituality, revealing a nature and a universe far more connected than we've been led to believe. Lynn is consistently listed amongst the world as one of the top 100 leading spiritual authorities and leading influencers. So it brings me great pleasure to welcome to this episode Lynn McTaggart.
SPEAKER_02:Thank you so much, James. It's great to be here with you.
SPEAKER_00:Lynn's work touched my life in a very unexpected way 20 odd years ago. And I was just saying to Lynn off camera that I actually won a ticket to go and see Lynn speak at an event. And it was about the nature of consciousness, something I was really interested in, having studied and read so many books and watched a wonderful movie that Lynn was actually in, which was called What the Bleep Do We Know. And so Lynn's work found its way into my life. And I really hope that you enjoy this episode because Lynn's work will also, like me, find its way into your life. So, Lynn, how did you get into the nature of consciousness? How does someone begin to study this?
SPEAKER_02:Well, I kind of got hijacked into it, I would say. I was working with my husband on a newsletter we had launched called What Doctors Don't Tell You. And it looks at what works and what doesn't work in conventional and alternative medicine, mostly what works in alternative medicine. And in the course of doing that, this is way back in the 90s, I kept coming across very good studies of a spiritual healing. And I kept thinking to myself, hold on, that in itself undermines everything we think about how the world works. If you can have a thought and send it to someone else, that just blows apart our current paradigm. So I set out to find out why. And I was on a journey without a compass. I didn't know what I was going to find, but I started talking to some scientists involved in consciousness research, and they revealed to me some of their work, and I recognized very early on that this was a bigger story, that they were talking about little pieces of what compounded together into a completely new science, a new view of the world. And so I wrote that up, and that became my book, the field.
SPEAKER_00:For people who are new to this, what did you discover the field is? And how does that touch people's everyday life?
SPEAKER_02:Okay, well, we are told by mainstream science that we are all separate entities, well-behaved entities, and our subatomic particles are like little billiard bowls, but they're all very separate. And as I say, well-behaved because they and everything else in the world operates according to fixed laws in time and space. That's what we're told. The new science demonstrates that we are not separate, that at the subatomic level, we are all part of a giant quantum energy field, and that our subatomic particles are actually trading energy back and forth with this field, almost like a subatomic uh game of tennis. So all our little subatomic particles are playing tennis with other subatomic particles, and in that energy exchange, it gives rise to this giant field, which is so energy dense that if you sat a yard away from me, a meter away from me, the energy between us in empty space would be enough to boil all the oceans in the world. So that's how powerful this field is. But there are two very big implications here. Number one, a field is made up of, as I say, subatomic particles, which are also waves, which go on to infinity, but they're also capable of uh carrying almost an infinite capacity to store information. So if you took the American Library of Congress, which has every book written in English, and you put it into a subatomic wave, it would fit in the size of a sugar cube. So that's how much information this can store. So imagine this field out there, which has basically all the information that ever was, and also goes on to infinity, meaning it's a wonderful mechanism by which we can understand that we can access information beyond our senses. So this revealed to me, and this wasn't, I'm not talking woo-woo, I'm talking about scientists from Princeton, UCLA, and so forth, you know, prestigious scientists doing this work. This revealed to me that we are far greater than we've been told. And also, as I've subsequently learned, we have far more capacities than we've been told. We have abilities to see beyond our senses, we have the ability to intend and affect physical reality, ourselves, everything out there, each other, even the world. And we also have abilities to forecast information, precognition, as it's officially called, and much more. But these kinds of capacities are denied to us. We get discouraged by the very materialistic view of mainstream science. But it's now giving way to a much more interesting paradigm. And that paradigm, in one sentence, is that we are all connected.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, that's fascinating to discover that we're all connected. I mean, we're all connected really by the subatomic particles. Is that what you were referring to initially?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, we are all connected at our nethermost level. We're all part of, and my subatomic particles, as I say, are constantly doing this energy dance. We don't stay the same all the time. We're not just a collection of chemistry and electrical signaling. We're just a vibrating packet of energy, and these are different energies. It is subatomic quantum energy, it is light energy, it is also sound energy. That's something I've just investigated, and it's going to be my new book, The God Notes, coming out next October.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, well, very excited. Very excited to read that. I mean, I like to see, you know, give a visual to the audience who may be listening and think, well, what Lynn's referring to with the light and the sound, is it's like it moves like waves. So I like to think of everything as the ocean constantly changing, constantly moving. We don't know or can predict what's going to happen next with the energy. Um, very exciting. Absolutely. So what what so what's the most other you've you know, you've you've basically blown our brains, you know, in the first few minutes. But what's the most fascinating thing that you've discovered that you can actually begin to cooperate with the field with your research?
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah. I mean, the the most amazing thing that that occurred to me and that really changed the trajectory of my work, was the unfinished business that I had left over from the field, which was that thoughts are an are an actual something with the capacity to change physical matter. There were many scientists that I interviewed for my book, The Field, that were doing research into consciousness and discovering that thoughts are not only things, but things that affect other things. And that they can affect everything from single-celled organisms to full-fledged human beings. So I was fascinated by this, but I started out life as an investigative reporter. That was my work in my early 20s. I was going to put bad guys in jail. And I actually, my first big story was just that. I broke a baby selling ring, an international baby selling ring by posing as an unwed mother and then as a prospective adoptive parent. And that became my first book, The Baby Brokers. But I was going to do that. So that kind of skeptical inquiry has never left me. So when I saw this evidence about thoughts or things that affect other things, I wanted to figure out how far we could take this. You know, are we talking about a very subtle effect on a quantum particle, or are we talking about curing cancer with our thoughts? And I also was fascinated by the idea of lots of people thinking the same thought at the same time. Would that magnify the effect? So I decided to write a book called The Intention Experiment, which was all about the science of intention, showing how much thoughts are things that affect other things, but also an invitation to take part in a big experiment. I had, after that time, about that time, which was 2007, the field was in 30 languages by then. And I also knew a lot of scientists. So I had a lot of readers, and I also had knew a lot of scientists working in this area. So I thought if I put them together, I'll have the biggest global laboratory in the world. And that's what I did. So in 20 in 2007, I started intention experiments. I would set up an experiment with one of these scientists. I wanted to change scientists. They were from Princeton, University of Arizona, Penn State, um, University of California, a variety of universities in Europe. And I wanted to change it up so I wouldn't just work with one scientist. But we started doing experiments and starting small, just trying to make change the subtle effects of a leaf, and we moved on to trying to make seeds grow faster, purifying water.
SPEAKER_00:So so with the leaf. But what were you what was the intention behind the leaf? So how many people do you have in this experiment? And then what what's your intention? And then what what was the result? I mean.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. So with that, we had we decided to do it in front of a live audience of about 700 in London. So I set up this experiment with Dr. Gary Schwartz, a noted psychologist at the University of Arizona. And we set up an experiment to have two leaves, live geranium leaves, and he had special equipment to measure a subtle effect that happens in all living things, which is it emits a tiny current of light. It's the smallest unit of light. So we had two leaves. We had the audience choose one leaf. We did an intention to increase the light. And because we figured we could measure that very easily. We didn't tell the scientists which one. We had a live stream. It was we had a live feed into the the leaf from the University of Arizona in two cents.
SPEAKER_00:It's one of those sort of clip things that you put on the side of the leaf.
SPEAKER_02:I think I've seen No, no, no, no, no, no. No, it was in a light type, serious piece of a kit uh of equipment that is completely black, other than picking up the light, and also can measure it, count it, and photograph it. It's the kind of equipment used to uh to photograph faint light in outer space. So this was serious kit. So afterward, we did our intention. We didn't tell the scientists whether we chose leaf A or B. And afterward, that was his cue, Dr. Schwartz's cue, to take the two leaves, measure the light, photograph the light, and afterward, when it was all done, we told him which leaf we had intended for. And he said the light was, and he showed me, the light was so much brighter in the one sent intention than the other one. It was almost like, as he put it, the other one had a neglect effect. It was like lower than usual.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So that was the first very simple experiment we did. But we moved on to things like seeds. And with that experiment, I was going to be in Sydney, Australia, giving a lecture. And so we decided to do seeds to try to make them grow faster. And this time we had four sets of seeds. So one experimental batch and three sets of controls, 30 seeds each, labeled A, B, C, or D. They photographed the seeds, they sent them to us. Um, I asked my audience to choose one set. We sent intention to make it grow a certain amount by a certain number of days. I didn't tell the scientists which seeds. After we were done, I told them we're done. That was their cue to plant the seeds. They measured them four days later, and that was at that point, they measured seedlings, and that was the time when I could unblind the study and say, well, it was seeds A or whichever one it was. It turned out the seeds that were sent intention grew significantly higher than controls. And we ran it five more times in different in front of different audiences, and then one time with my audience around the world on the internet and with different sized audiences and different locations, because we did it in New York, Rhinebeck, New York, and South Carolina, in Dallas, Texas, in California, and then over the internet. And every single time the seeds sent intention grew significantly higher than controls. So just think about this for a second. The first experiment. I'm in Sydney, Australia, with my audience. The seeds are sitting in a lab in Tucson, Arizona, 8,000 miles away. Plus, we're not sending intention to the seeds, we're sending intention to a photograph of the seeds. Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_00:Symbolic representations. And to do a study on that, which is a photograph, not the actual thing, and a fact. This is this is what I'm sure in science you call it non-local.
SPEAKER_02:It is non-local. And what I what I was also amazed about is the whole idea of a psychic internet, because it also worked when we did it with people scattered around the globe just participating with me on my website from their own computer screen, and yet we had an effect. So that was an extraordinary statement, in my view, about the nature of consciousness, that it isn't local, it doesn't have to be localized, but something about a group intention seems to magnify it. And so that was probably mind-blowing. And we but we moved on to more sophisticated targets, for instance, lowering violence in war-torn areas or violent areas. And I'll give you, we've we've done about 10 or 11 of them, including one last February. No, all the way up to the present. We've done 42 intention experiments to date. Not only those seeds and water, um, but also lowering violence in violent or war torn areas, and even healing someone with post-traumatic stress disorder. And of those 42, 38 have shown measurable, positive, mostly significant effects. So just to compare that, there is no pharmaceutical drug out there with that kind of consistent track record. So I'll give you an example of one of the most interesting ones about lowering violence. We did one a few years ago to lower violence in the officially most violent place in America, which is St. Louis, Missouri. And we chose the most violent neighborhood. It's an area of St. Louis called Fairground. Now, this was an easy one to do because the police keep very good records there. So we could go back and take information from about three years ago and then create a timeline of what should happen if violence carried on the way it was. And for this experiment, I worked with a professor of statistics called Dr. Jessica Oates from the University of California, who has done a great deal of study into consciousness research. But she was also very, very neutral about looking at the data. So we looked at, we did the experiment, and then we had people wait for six months while we waited to see how it was going to pan out. That's always a frustration with an experiment like this. You've got to wait six months. So we did. We waited six months and then did the measurements and found violence had been going up all over St. Louis and it continued to go up: violent crime and property crime. But in fairground, the object of our intention, while property crime continued to go up, violent crime, the object of our intention, went down by 43%. Now we just did an experiment last February for Washington, D.C., the three most violent areas in Washington, D.C., and we focused on them. Um and then we patiently waited. And we also said we hoped that that some of the peaceful, um, the peace would have to cross the river because these three areas sat right across the river from the Capitol building. So we did a measurement and we chose these three wards of the eight wards in Washington, and we found that we did it February 1st, and I was live at Gaia, uh, their headquarters, and also I had an audience of 300. And we found that violence in our target areas went down as much as 53 percent immediately after our intention.
SPEAKER_00:And how many people were in the intention experiment?
SPEAKER_02:Probably about 10,000.
SPEAKER_00:Wow, a lot of people, it's an amazing amount of people.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So can I just say something that I sort of I look for patterns? I like looking at patterns. I see patterns everywhere, and I find it interesting that the Capitol building, also nearby in those three neighborhoods, really tough, hard areas, right? It's interesting that because I see energy everywhere and I see that you can't energy doesn't lie, you know. And I'm just thinking if there's a lot of resistance, you feel it in the air. That's why also when you get a good feeling and you know that you're in a good place, right? So yeah, yeah, and well, I'm fascinated that you could measure these experiments and see such a decline, which is beautiful because it kind of makes makes me want to ask the next question: what else can we do, you know, as a global family to be able to help the planet? You know, if you've gone from a seed, sorry, a seed to a seedling to a leaf to an air to an area and it goes bigger, how can we help this beautiful planet that you know we dwell on?
SPEAKER_02:Okay, so this is what I found that was most interesting. Since 2008, when I did my first peace intention experiment, I have surveyed the participants. So I did it mainly to find out were they able to come onto my website? Because with so many people coming on at the same time, I used to run them on my website. Sometimes that would create a traffic jam on the website. So it was mainly to find out how the experience was for them. So I asked them, and I was astonished by what I got back because I just wanted to know well, how was that as an experience for you? And what I got back was this number one, they were reporting in the thousands that their relationships had improved, that they were making up with estranged partners or strange parents or children, that they were getting along better with not very nice bosses or neighbors they didn't like. 50%, which was amazing, 50%, and they consistently say this, they feel more love for everyone they come in contact with. Essentially, they're hugging strangers. Then the other thing I found was about a third to 40% report every single time that a health condition of theirs is either very improved or completely healed. So this amazed me. And then I started thinking there has to be some sort of mirror effect. So I in the last experiment, we actually tried to measure it. So that February 1st, Washington experiment, I had an audience of about 300 in the audience, and then the rest of the people were live streamed. So of the audience, we asked people to randomly volunteer to be measured before and afterward. So what we did was measure their stress and autonomic nervous system levels. Now, the autonomic nervous system runs everything in the body, it makes it, it's the biggest nerve in our body, starts in our neck. Um, the it's called the vagus nerve, and it runs the whole system. And that is the sympathetic nervous system, fight or flight, or its opposite number, the parasympathetic nervous system, which is rest and digest. And all of these things go on without our conscious awareness. But we're all on sympathetic nervous system dominance right now, based on all of the things happening in the world. We're all pretty freaked out by now. And so what we discovered is of our 44 volunteers, yeah, they had huge sympathetic nervous system dominance. But after taking part in the experiment, their nervous systems pretty much balanced. So that could account for so many of the healings we've seen. I mean, of the survey of the Washington, D.C. people, we have a guy who was losing his sight and his hearing. They're both back. We had another woman who has a thing called thrombocytopenia. She doesn't have enough red blood cells. And they were her platelet count, she doesn't have enough platelets, her platelet count had really increased. We have people with mental issues like depression, even psychosis, that were well improved, and on and on and on, and I hear this over and over and over again. So the other thing that fascinates me about these experiments is the infectious nature of this kind of healing and positivity, and also the infectious nature of an altruistic act, because that's what coming on, doing an intention to heal Washington, D.C. or anything else is an altruistic act. And I was fascinated by work from Harvard, now Yale, a scientist called Nicholas Christakis, who is a sociologist who studies social networks, he has found that happy people are more likely to have happy friends, not because um of the of the self-selecting, they self-select people to be happy with, and they only pick happy people, but because of the natural spread of happiness. But the same thing happens with pay it forward activity, with with um altruistic behavior. If one person is, if Peter is nice to Paul, Paul is more likely to be nice to Jane, who's more likely to be nice to Jim, who's more likely to be nice to Tom. And so it carries on. And Peter, Paul, Jane, etc., keep being nice. So I did some calculations. I started figuring, okay, we had 10,000, let's say, on the piece experiment for Washington. And half of the people reported they feel more love for everyone they feel uh they come in contact with. So let's start multiplying that by the number of people we all know. Very conservative estimate is 100 people. The standard estimate is about 150 people. If we say that everybody of those 5,000 knows 150 people and it goes three degrees down a social network, do you know how many people will affect 15 billion people? That is twice the population of the world. So my interest is, yeah, it's very cool we can lower Washington's violence levels, but imagine what we can do continuing to bring people into this altruistic work. We can literally heal the world just from the bottom up.
SPEAKER_00:Isn't that beautiful? And I think you mentioned something earlier. Um, I really want to talk about you, you know, what you're doing with your masterclass and what you're doing with the intention experiment there. That's fascinating. But I just wanted to sort of touch on this because I don't know if I read about it through your work or I studied it myself and I kind of worked out the mass. But if you can get the whole world thinking and feeling the whole the same thing, it was only a fraction for a shift in consciousness.
SPEAKER_02:It is from the Transcendental Meditation Group, and they said, and it was the Maharishi who said you just need the square root of 1% of people meditating, and that will heal the world, etc. Um, it it's it was his guesstimate. It was his guesstimate, and it's an interesting idea because they've done many good studies showing when a critical mass of meditators are meditating, the crime rate goes down.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, they did that with in Washington, DC, didn't they? Did a study on that, I think by one of your old colleagues. Uh so that's fascinating as well. And I've been meditating for every day for over 20 years now, and I've noticed in my space, it's a pretty relaxed, nice feeling space. And I'm thinking, wait, is that me or is that the outside world? And it's like, and I always love this. I was like, you're always at the center of what's going on in your life, good or bad. And so when you're doing these wonderful altruistic experiments, and you get to witness the act of your altruism and your intention, you get to be the benefit and receiver of the energy that you cast out. And I love that with your work. So tell us a little bit about what you're doing with your masterclass.
SPEAKER_02:Well, from 2008, I decided to shrink the whole intention experiment down. What would happen if I just put people into small groups? Would we see the same amazing effects? So I did this in Washington, DC, uh one in Chicago in 2008, my first workshop there. And we didn't expect there to be much effect. Uh, I put people into groups of eight. And I said, Oh, I don't know, maybe I'll put them in groups of eight or so to my husband and our team. And my husband's a great headline writer, he's also a journalist, and he said to me, I love it, the power of eight. And that's how we got the name, and that's what it's called, the power of eight. Now, we didn't expect there to be much of an effect, a little bit like somebody coming up behind you and giving your back a little rub. But we did. And then the next day, we asked the people who had been the subject of the intentions, and I it was always someone with some sort of health challenge who was chosen as the subject in each of these groups. So we asked them to report on how everything is, and we were shocked because we had a woman who had been really limping in one day from bad knee arthritis, and that next day she was walking normally. And somebody else who had bad gut problems said his gut was normal that day. Somebody else with depression said it was lifted. And the most amazing one of all, a woman who had cataracts said they were about 80% better. So I was completely freaked out by this. And I thought, in a sense, this is going to undermine my serious work, the intention experiments. But I kept doing it over the years and over the years, and I discovered that these little groups are super powerful. And I started studying and learning and putting together a protocol for what maximizes their effects. And I have seen tens of thousands of healings. I'll give you a couple of examples of great no-hopers that defied the odds, and I've seen thousands of those. But for instance, Lori McLeod, she was going blind. She had retinal damage in both eyes. Doctors could do nothing for her, and they just said you'll just have to get used to it. So she had joined my PowerVape masterclass, intention masterclass, which is I started in 2013 or 2015 actually, making this a year-long course, because I thought if I have people for a whole year, will everything in their lives begin to heal? So what I tend to do is I teach people live and interactively for a couple of hours each Saturday for uh six sessions. It's what I call intention boot camp. So they learn 13 keys to intention mastery and how to deal with negative intention, how to use intention out there in the world for everything that's a problem for them, whether it's their finances, their health, their careers, their relationships, or whatever, and also how to use it to get along with anybody, even people you completely disagree with, and so much more, but also how to run these groups. Then I put people into groups for a year in their time zone, they have to meet virtually, and they have to do intentions for each other. They meet for an hour a week. And what I find is by the by the end of the year, those who have religiously followed what I recommend that they do, and they've met regularly, pretty much all of them, in some fashion, have had major transformations. So Lori was one of them. So she's going blind, nobody can do anything. Her group does an intention for her. Guess what? After one intention, she feels this extraordinary energy, and she gets her eyesight back. She now has 2020 vision.
SPEAKER_01:Wow.
SPEAKER_02:And no doctor intervention. Another woman, Lisa Pickle.
SPEAKER_00:No medication, no doctor, no doctor attention. This is astounding, Lynn. And it's it's beautiful to it to be part of what you've been doing with the intention experiment and these masterclasses. I mean, it can really save people and have 180 turnarounds, right?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah. Well, Lisa was another one who was born with um a genetic uh deficiency of a particularly important enzyme for her liver. And her liver was deteriorating, and all doctors could do was regularly scan it, monitor it. And they told her it was getting worse, her spleen was uh enlarged, and that she was going to have to be a candidate for a liver uh uh replacement, a liver transplant soon. So she joined a group, she did her intention with the group, one intention, and it's only 10 minutes, by the way. It's not hours like people often have to do with meditation. 10 minutes. That's all we've ever done for the intention experiments or the power of ape groups. And again, she feels this amazing energy, this these lights, et cetera, when she's half asleep. And um, she suddenly feels something really important has gone on. And she waited a few months, she went to the doctor, again, no other intervention. Two consultants, specialists in liver diseases, reported after scans that her liver and spleens were normal, and they've been normal now for a few years. So I've seen this over and over again. I've seen people um reverse serious diseases or use intention to work alongside conventional medicine or to repair their finances, get out of debt, start businesses. I mean, we've done all kinds of healings for people, and once again, I see a mirror effect. There is just as much healing among the senders as there is among the receivers. So when people are doing intention for someone else, they also get healed. So it's a big virtuous circle, and I think it's so important because we're all so lonely these days. We don't have connection. We have we have fewer connections than we ever have. You know, we might have online connections, but people don't get together. They don't know their neighbors, etc., etc. I had one of my students said during COVID, so we were all locked down, but I still had groups and I was teaching people, teaching people virtually, of course. And he said at the end of the year, I've had more love this year at the time of COVID than I've ever had in my life. I now know what love is. Just to have a group of strangers who've got your back, who started out as strangers, are now your intention family, is hugely strengthening.
SPEAKER_00:You know, we need to people can feel very lonely only because they don't feel like someone has got their back. And then that's it. And I think as human beings, we want to feel supported, and hopefully by like-minded people who also want to have help. So it's a win-win all around, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely. Absolutely. And we need community. I mean, one of my books called The Bond was all about the fact that Darwin was wrong. The whole idea of survival of the fittest was wrong, or at least how people have interpreted Darwin. Darwin, toward the end of his life, was much more interested in cooperation. But, you know, the neo-Darwinists have really talked about survival genes and selfish genes and all of that. And it's not true. We need to belong and connect more than we need to breathe. And I noticed that is a big important piece of healing, is being part of a group, being belonging. And that is a powerful element of this too. But also, and most importantly, I guess it is feeling a state of oneness. When I talk to people in my masterclass and power vape groups around the world, they talk about getting into an amazing altered state when they are in these power vape groups. And that's because they feel a sense of oneness. So I was so intrigued by this. I actually did a study of it with a team of neuroscientists to find out what went on when people were doing this. So we did this at Life University, which is the largest and most prestigious chiropractic university in the world. And we got a group of student volunteers together. Never done any of this, including meditation before. And we put an EEG cap on one member of each group, and we thought it was going to look just like meditation. And we were shocked to see that it didn't. And Dr. Stephanie Sullivan, who is ran the study, was completely surprised. But what we did see was a lowering, instead of a change in brain waves, a slowering, uh slowing up of brain waves, as happens in meditation. Your brain waves or ordinary waking consciousness slow down. These were turning off. The parts of the brain making us feel separate were dialed way down. So the parietal lobes, they sit here. They tell us uh how to navigate through space. This is me, this is not me. They were dialed way down. So were the right frontal lobes, the parts of the brain involved with worry, doubt, negativity, were dialed way down too. So these were people whose brain waves didn't look like meditation, but what they did look like was almost identical to work done by the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Andrew Newberg, a noted neuroscientist, on Sufi masters during chanting and Buddhist monks during ecstatic prayer. So these were people essentially in a state of ecstatic oneness. So we don't get to feel that too often.
SPEAKER_00:You know, as I said, we're all in your master class, you might get to feel ecstatic oneness from time to time.
SPEAKER_02:And even putting yourself in a power vape group, absolutely. Well, not from time to time. You feel it in the group while you're doing the intention. We've measured it, as I say, these student novices. They were total novices, and yet they were transported within a minute or two into an altered state, a mystical state. And so I always say that power vape groups are a fast track to the miraculous.
SPEAKER_00:Amazing. Lynn, it's been a real joy speaking with you, very insightful and so much information. And what I love most is that you're an absolute skeptic at heart, and you need to get the studies to show and prove that what you're doing and what you're researching is is valid. And I think that is wonderful to share some spiritual aspects, but meeting it with the science, and I think you do it absolutely beautifully. Your life's work is has and will be changing lives as a beautiful ripple effect for a long period of time if we're looking at the waves and the particles going on for infinity. So I like to see your work in that kind of way. Just in closing, what's the last thing you might be able to say to someone in the audience listening today that they might be able to practice or do um with some of the things you've discovered in your work?
SPEAKER_02:Sure. If I could give you one piece of advice on intention. Number one, understand that you are intending at every moment. Your brain is not the repository of your thoughts. Your brain is and your thoughts are not locked inside your head. They're trespassers. They go out and they affect people and things. So what you're thinking, all of that stuff you're thinking, all of that flotsum and jetsum, all of those judgments you hold are also an intention. So start thinking a little bit more consciously about what you're sending out to the world. And the second piece of advice, when you intend, be specific. Tell the universe what you want. Be specific about it. That's what's worked best with our intention experiments, and it's what works best in my power of eight groups.
SPEAKER_00:And those power of eight groups, that mastermind is going to be in February next year, is that right? In 2026.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, our power of it's called the Power of Eight Intention Masterclass. And it kicks off in February. So you can find out more about it just on my website, lynnmctaggart.com.
SPEAKER_00:And we'll have all the links underneath this episode. Lynn, it's been a real joy speaking with you. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. Lynn is this week's super soul model. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02:Thank you so much. It's been a joy to be here with you.
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