Rapid Fire: Discipline Beats Motivation

Motivation sounds great until it disappears on a random Tuesday. We kick off a rapid-fire game that quickly turns into a real, practical debate about discipline vs motivation, consistency vs skill, and why “starting” is often the only hack that matters. If you care about habits, personal growth, and building an entrepreneurial mindset that survives bad moods, you’ll get a lot out of this one.

We go back and forth on speed vs precision with a lesson every founder and creator needs: execution beats perfection when you’re testing the market, which is why tech teams obsess over the minimal viable product (MVP). From there, we hit the money questions too, revenue vs reputation, fortune vs fame, and why chasing comfort can quietly kill your edge. Expect strong opinions, a few disagreements, and the kind of examples you can actually use at work tomorrow.

The second half gets more “CEO brain”: leverage vs hustle, avoiding burnout, and how sleep and self-care affect decision-making when you’re under pressure. We also dig into delegation vs control, keeping your hands on the highest-leverage moves while handing off the work that drains you. We close with risk vs security, a blunt look at how the school system can punish unorthodox thinking, and why social media and AI are changing the opportunity map for anyone willing to bet on themselves. If this hit home, subscribe, share it with a friend, and leave a review with the question you want us to rapid-fire next.

Transcript

Rapid Fire Setup And Rules

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Let me just get the questions out. And let's just make it natural, smooth. I don't want it to be too scripted and stiff. Um, okay, and introduce the show. Let's do it. What we're here for today.

SPEAKER_00 0:11

Hey guys, today we're gonna do a quick rapid fire section. Y'all here. My main man is gonna ask me a bunch of questions and we're gonna hop right into. So, man, take it away.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

All right, guys. Welcome. I'm back. I'm back. Today we got rapid fire for Anthony Eamon. Anthony, you ready?

unknown 0:24

Yeah.

Discipline Versus Motivation

SPEAKER_01 0:24

Let's do it. All right, here we go, dude. Been a while. Gotta keep this mic tight. All right. Discipline or motivation?

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Motivation is a waste.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

And I'll explain why. I know it runs out, but I don't know if it's a waste. That's what's wrong.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

It doesn't make any sense. If you constantly fight for motivation, you're constantly finding yourself fighting to get that motivation back. And you know when you truly get motivation? When you start disciplining yourself to do the work, you fall into it. So it's kind of like if you remember go back to school, right? You're writing an essay and you don't want to do it, you're putting it off, you're putting it off, you're putting it off, you're dragging your feet, you're trying to find that motivation. And then all of a sudden you're like, I gotta do it, I gotta go to bed, it's do tomorrow. You start going at it, it sucks. And then all of a sudden, in between, something clicks in your brain, you get in that deep work, you're done in an hour, you're like, whoa, how did I do that?

SPEAKER_02 1:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

So motivation actually comes from being disciplined enough to do the thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

That is true, but one can also argue motivation, a bit of motivation can change someone's lives, whereas in motivation for other people, they're constantly on the search for it because it dies out. So I think motivation coupled with a passion. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Passion and motivation are different things.

Consistency Builds Skill Over Time

SPEAKER_01 1:36

No, coupled with. Motivation is great for those that have a passion to achieve something and then they're motivated constantly to do it. They don't need to search for motivation again because it's like a candle. It burns out, it burns out. But it doesn't burn out if you have a passion for it. What do you think? You can motivate someone to change their life and they change it. If you're disciplined enough to make it a habit, is more important. Okay, yeah. All right, Anthony got that one. He got that one. All right, good job. Skill or consistency?

SPEAKER_00 2:01

Consistency.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Dang, this is hard. All right, so here's my thing, Ant. You can be skilled. I mean, you can be consistent, but you lack the skill. You may never make it. For example, I'm consistent playing baseball. Not me. I'm just drawing hypotheticals, guys. I don't play baseball. But I'm playing baseball and I want to go to the MLB, but I don't have the skill. I'll never make it. But I'm very consistent. You're never gonna make it, though. Disagree.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Okay. How? Look at all the pro athletes. They were never the best. They were just the ones that practiced the most. Because they weren't had they didn't have that natural talent. Those that have natural talent that have the skill initially are always like, why do I need to do it? I'm better than everyone else already. But those that are behind, those guys go and practice and put the reps in and put the reps in, put the reps in and build up the skill through that reps because they know they're not the best. You look at like this is why I have a big fundamental problem with school. You they push people that do the best, and they're like, okay, you're fine, you got 100, you're good. No, but it's always the people that always get the worst grades that fell behind in something. Those are the ones that kept putting in the work to get better and better and better because they try to constantly catch up and build that discipline through it and burked on that skill. He tried to bring it back to the all right, you got that one.

Speed Versus Precision And MVP Thinking

SPEAKER_01 3:20

You got that one. All right, so let's get on to the next one. Damn, that was all right. Okay, okay, okay. Um, let's see here. Oh, this is good. Speed or precision? Go. Speed. No, bro. If you're not precise and you can't execute, it doesn't matter how fast you go, it has to be efficient and execute correctly. I'd rather, I'd rather hire someone that is precise. He got it done right. Because speed can always be learned. You can always teach someone to do it quicker. But dude, if you keep doing it wrong, but you're fast, what good are you?

SPEAKER_00 3:47

They did a study on ceramic pots, a pottery class. Okay, right? They took half the class and they told them, you guys have uh this semester to make the best pot. You make one pot and make the best you could possibly make. The other half, they said, you're just gonna keep making pots as many as you can, and then whatever the final one is at the end is the one you have to submit. Which group did better? That first group. Second group. How? You submit it whenever you want. That's not speaking. They both got submitted at the same time, but the first group only had to make one pot and they tried perfecting it and constantly worked in that one pot. Oh, but that's a different group. That's different. They got the it broke, they did it again, they did it again, they did it again. Look at business as an example, right? If you constantly have to change and you have to change quick and adapt to decisions in order to push it.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

He got me on that one. Yeah, you're right. Because sometimes when you push yourself, you're so right. Sometimes when you just push yourself off the edge, you just try to fly. Sometimes you end up flying, or just kind of do it.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

Tech companies have a saying called the MVP. You ever hear that? No, no, no. They call it the minimal viable product. Okay, it's they take the absolute bare bones of technology and start with that. Why? Because are they obsessed over something, making it perfect? What if the market doesn't want it? Then they're screwed. They just wasted millions to. Okay. So take your minimal viable product and then constantly adjust it to what the marketplace wants.

Fortune Over Fame And Choosing Growth

SPEAKER_01 5:15

Okay, he's three for is it three? Yeah, it's three. Yeah, he's pretty good. All right. I'll get him somewhere, guys. Come on, root for me. All right, let's go. Revenue or reputation. It's too vague. Would you rather a lot of money or a great reputation with a little bit of money?

SPEAKER_00 5:35

A lot of money, not the best reputation, or it's the same question, fame or fortune? Sort of. Sort of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd rather fortune over fame.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

100%, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

I just think fame leads to narcissism.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

And it burns out. And yeah, there's no longer pictures of you. Correct. There's no longevity. And guys, keep put your comments below. We want to know what you think with each of these questions. We'll have um different chapters on a YouTube page on this episode, so you'll be able to go through it. And comment below, tell us what you think. All right. So, revenue and reputation, Anthony and I kind of agree on that. Let's see the next one. Comfort or growth? I mean, that's kind of yeah. Well, no, that is a good question, actually. What are you saying? Yeah, that's a person. What does Anthony say to it? Growth. I hate comfort. Comfort's boring. But what you one can argue this you choose growth because you one day want to be comfortable. Yeah. I've thought of this.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

I've put a lot of thought into this. Okay. Honestly. And initially, it's yeah, I want to get to the point I'm comfortable and say I can relax. I think I'd go crazy. But you well, you can't say that. You don't know. No, no. I COVID kind of proved that. Oh, that's true. I have the opportunity to be like, oh, I can relax a little bit. I was going insane. I need to get that personality.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

I need to keep going. I gotta do it. I gotta do it. I gotta do it. Those tend to be the most successful people in the world because their success is not measured by what they have. It's it's what they constantly are focused on what they want and what they want to achieve. They always think of more. So yes, comfort, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Doesn't mean if you chose comfort, doesn't mean you're not gonna be successful, but growth, obviously. Um, talent or standards? I don't really understand that one.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

I don't get that one.

Leverage Over Hustle Without Burnout

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Yeah, this is all chat GPT. Don't blame us, blame that. All right, guys, branding or competence. Next. Let's go to the next one. All right, hustle or leverage? I like that. Leverage. Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

But oh, you're a leverage guy though. Who's the smartest person in the room? The guy who works 14 hours a day, or the guy that knows exactly what stat to change in order to make the most success and not burn out. And nah, got him, guys. Because he just contradicted himself.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

You said earlier those basketball players that don't think they're good enough, they work their asses off because they know they're not the best. Now you chose leverage over hustle. If you work hard enough, eventually you'll have the leverage you need to get far. Nope.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

I got him. Didn't contradict myself. How so? I'm gonna give you the an example I learned three days ago. Okay. And I love this because I was struggling with this personally. It's like as you become CEO, you're the visionary of the company, right? And initially, when you start a gym business, like all businesses, work in 14, 15 hour days, right? Insane. And you just get so you that's hustle culture, right? You're going, you're going, you're busy, you're busy, you're busy. My family's telling me, oh, you gotta work long hours, you gotta do this, and you prioritize that. And then all of a sudden you realize you get so burnt out and so caught up that when a high-leverage decision comes in, you just make the wrong, give the wrong answer because you're so burnt down and distracted by other things. When realistically, it tying into the athlete side of it, right? You're below, you're trying to catch up. It's not that you're practicing 65 hours like every single day, like all the time. It's that you're prioritizing your practice. So let me give you a little really concrete example for you. You sleep and you prioritize that eight hours a day. You eat right, you keep your brain sharp. So then when you're ready to do the practice, it's deliberate. Or as a CEO standpoint, when you're ready to make a high-leverage decision, you have the brain capacity to do it. So you could say you're hustling, but when you're hustling, it's a different type. It's you're hustling to make your health and as and brain as sharp as you can. So when you have to make these really high impactful decisions, it's a lot easier to look at it and have more clarity behind it.

Patience Requires Clear Judgment

SPEAKER_01 9:46

You got it. All right, that's a good one. We'll get them. We'll get them. All right. So let's see here. No, that I was gonna it says patience or aggression. No, actually. Oh this is a good one. If you have a business that you're being mistreated, um, but maybe employees not doing well, are you patient until you get a replacement? Are you patient enough to see allow them to grow, to fix these issues? Or are you aggressive out the gate because sometimes acting fast enough may change it? What's Anthony's thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 10:22

All right, let's go back to the previous question, right? If I'm hustling 16 hours a day, sleep deprived, tired, what am I more likely to do for those that have been there? Because I've been there a lot. I'm gonna come in rage and hot and all of a sudden scream at something and make a real maybe the wrong decision at the wrong time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if I'm in the right mental state, because I'm prioritizing my my health and I can look at something, I can look beyond the emotional side of it. And I could say, okay, what is actually going on? Am I accepting a standard and I can look for things from an outside and change the scenario and take control over it? And that's more important than rushing to a decision. It's he who knows has control. Okay.

Delegate The Drains Control The Leverage

SPEAKER_01 11:07

So essentially what you're saying is self-care plays a large part in making decisions in your business. And you will tend you'll tend to be more patient if you can take care of yourself first. Correct. Versus not doing that, being an operator in a business, doing 20 hours, most likely you're going to use your emotions because you're already burnt out. And that's going to lead to something bad when you can just take a step back and assess the problem and then make a decision afterwards. Freedom or structure? I don't really get that one. Uh, if it's structure, you die. Yeah, that makes sense at all. Um, this is a good one. Delegate or control. Be careful with this, Ant. Be careful. Be careful.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

Yeah, you're gonna love this. I was actually listening to podcasts on this today. Okay. I was telling y'all, I listened to stupid.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

This is the biggest Alex Harmozi listener. Just so you listen to Alex Harmoz. This is the Alex Harmose. Oh, who is it?

SPEAKER_00 12:00

This is uh Cody Sanchez was interviewing somebody. Okay, okay. And the guy was talking about this, and it was one more time. The question again, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Um, delegate or control.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

Yes, okay. So the most successful entrepreneurs delegate the things that they don't love doing because they know it's gonna lead them to burn out and give up, but they control the things they love doing and they know they're the highest leverage. There's specific examples around this. So I think it was uh Warren Buffett who owned candy companies. He delegated everything out but the price of the candies. He said, I determine the price. So he can control how much that money goes up to make sure the company makes money. Other business owners do the same thing. They still do things they love doing. Like for me, if I look personally, I love this. I love interacting with the team and I love making high-level decisions. I hate sitting in front of a computer typing in things like into keep guy reports.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

He was just in he was just in the office like an hour ago.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

I said, Anthony, he was on a computer typing. He said, What? I love this. I love this part of business. I love the excitement, the energy. Am I gonna wake up in the morning and feel refreshed that I have to go sit there and do like operation stuff? No, I'm gonna burn down, I'm gonna delegate all that down. But I'm gonna maintain control.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

What the fuck was that?

SPEAKER_00 13:27

What was that?

SPEAKER_01 13:29

Was it the camera cut?

SPEAKER_02 13:30

No space on the memory card.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

Bach, put the next one in and we'll pick up right here. Get the other memory card, the one that you had.

SPEAKER_02 13:37

That was good, bro. That was really good.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

Really good job. I like actually um why didn't we think of this earlier?

SPEAKER_00 13:45

That's good.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

This is fucking good, bro. I didn't I think I did think of this. Remember, I told you. I said, no, I did. I said, and if we can't find guests, I need to be a regular on it because one of our packers did the best. You have a good dynamic. I this is really good shit, man. And good job to you, man. We're thinking about like the structure you broke down, like all these things. This is I love this stuff, man. And people can learn from it. This is how we get the engagement. People gravitate more towards comfortability. What am I comfortable with with the Anthony Damon show? Well, they have a baseline, and the baseline is Yao and Anthony. We always see Yao and Anthony together, but then they have guests, and they always gravitate because we know what to expect. Yao and Anthony. They're gonna be there talking. And I I just I just it it it just it's great. I really like this because I'm learning a lot of stuff. Like, some stuff I disagree with you, like the like the one thing you said with the speed and percent, I don't agree with that part. Because that I want you to disagree with me. Yeah, that I disagree with, yeah, because that, yeah, that not that speed, yeah, but we listen to every entrepreneur, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:48

But that's it, there is the number one core value all companies have. But execute, bro. But if a product is bad, but you did it fast, what good is it? Because then you can redo it and you can do it again. You could do it again, 15 products by the time you get one. Yeah, but you lost you lost business. No one wants to do business. You just put out something that's shit.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Who the heck's gonna come back? Because you make it better, you speed and make it better. Why take you a check? But sometimes you only got one shot. It's business. If the Apple didn't perform the way it does when it did when Microsoft was out, Apple would have been out of there. There's who's had many bad products before the had good ones. What? The visual Macintosh is garbage. You know how to put it in? Yeah, remember I told you the slide and oh yeah, yeah, that's true. Okay, yeah, you got a good point on that one.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

Hey, listen, listen to the podcast about it. All say speed is the number one core value. Every single entrepreneur.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

No, let me just do it real quick.

unknown 15:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

I really like this episode too.

Building The Podcast Into A Brand

SPEAKER_01 16:04

And you know where we left on right speed.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

No, it was before speed.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

No, it was speed, it was. I mean, no, no. Delegated control. It was delegated control. Because we're almost done. Yeah. Yeah, we're almost at the end. Confidence of preparatory and then systems of uh momentum on the oh I like that one.

SPEAKER_00 16:21

Just pick one more.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh shit. No, no, keep that roll. That was good. This is good though.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

I like this. I'm not gonna lie to you, man. I like this a lot.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

So you're happy you are?

SPEAKER_01 16:43

Yeah. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I am, I am. It's it's fun. It's fun. You like you're learning, I'm learning, we're teaching people. Um and it's something positive. Who doesn't want to do something great and have fun? It's it's positive. Yeah, like this, the thing I did with Olivia and Tyler, them telling their story, like all that is is storytelling, you know, and with today's world, social media, like Dan Pei said, this is the greatest generation of wealth at the turnover. If you're not getting in, you're an idiot. This is literally the greatest. Like you doing this podcast can eventually turn into a multi-million dollar brand. Multi-million, outperforming redefine. Literally will outperforming, like, holy fuck, I make 10 million a year doing this shit. They cut Joe Rogan a hundred million dollars. Let me ask you a question. If you oh yeah, if you got that, would you leave Redefine? What would you do? Both. You can't do both. You can't do it. You have way more responsibility.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

You can still do both.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

You would still do CEO, you got a hundred million dollar pilot. You can't how? How are you gonna do that?

SPEAKER_00 17:42

Tony Robbins has 21 companies. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

Yeah, but he's not uh Yeah, the other one. No, the other one, and the red the thing, apparently. Tony, yeah, Tony Robbins, yeah. But he's not running them, he's not operating them.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Yeah, but she's still CEO.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Yeah, CEO that does nothing. You wanna you're essentially operating, dude. You're doing numbers still.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

I'm very not going to be.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

Oh, okay. I thought that's what you oh okay. You're gonna hire someone to do that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:12

Yeah, yeah. Is she good at it?

SPEAKER_00 18:15

She can be. She's learning.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

Yeah, man is good.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

She has the will.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

Does she?

SPEAKER_00 18:21

Yeah, she's she's all in.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

Yeah, you need people. It's hard to find people like that. It's so hard to find people like that. You better get that out. I couldn't do it. I can't, I just can't. But at the same time, it's just gonna cut it out.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

I think it's I mean it will, but I need to make sure I have the letter the people in place to replace it. To replace it.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Isn't that one person?

SPEAKER_00 19:01

Bro, I'm striking a garbage on it. I want to need to poach somebody. And I don't reason why I can't poach somebody, it's a hundred and sixty-five thousand dollar year job. Why can't I poach somebody? Glass door though is just for them to review. Or someone knows somebody, that's what it really comes down to. What are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Transfer and empty memory project, or left, I'll close it and I'll stay just ready to read the corner.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

How much longer do you think? So I can tell my wife.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Uh pretty much, we'll just do this one closer to the case.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Yeah, she's gonna kill me.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

I get very scared with the people. Yeah, but sweet to me, man, because I should have been out of there when I was 10 years. I'm very surprised.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

I always like to back up.

Delegate And Control Revisited

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much, Matt. We're gonna close it right now. There you go. All right. Uh it's recording. You just press recording ready? Oh okay. Uh where are we at? Close the door, Ulysses?

unknown 22:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

Uh what are we at right now? Um So yeah, uh what the hell? What what was it? Uh so delegate or control. Go ahead, Ann.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

Yeah, uh it's definitely a combination of the both. And the reason I say that is when you look at successful businesses, when you listen to podcasts, I was just listening to one actually about this today. I was listening to uh Cody Sanchez. It's really interesting, hold right there. I just thought of it. I know how to finish it.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

Because it cut, I have to come in tight and go back. Do you get it? That way it doesn't look strange. And now, Anthony talk for a little bit about delegate and control, and then I will pull back and we can finish off. Go ahead. Uh you were listening to something Sanchez, and it's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

So I was listening to uh episode of Cody Sanchez about this today, and what's really cool, and it kind of goes into that burnout stage, is you need to delegate all the stuff that you're not interested in doing, and control the stuff that motivates you and gets you out of bed in the morning. So look at uh I believe it's Warren Buffett who owns uh Eminem's company, but he delegated everything down but price. So he had leverage off of it and it motivated him to move forward and do better. Stop there. Perfect. Now we saw it.

unknown 23:37

Now that is it. I don't know if you understand what it is.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

Yeah, I got it. And then take that from like a personal standpoint, right? I I don't like the operational, bogged down stuff of the business, but I love being CEO making decisions. I love seeing how the things I do change the company. I love podcasting. I don't love the boring typing numbers into a computer, staring at it. Shit bores me. So it's like I'm not gonna get out of bed and be excited to go do it and really be able to give all I can give, but I can give all I can give into the stuff I love doing. And that's just gonna keep me involved in the company, keep moving the company forward. I'm gonna make sure I delegate the stuff that I know I can't give my all to and give it to someone who loves doing it and has a big culture of it for that. So they can overall push us forward to be successful.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

You're right.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

Okay, all right. And last one momentum or perfection. We've talked about this. Perfection is not something you shoot forever.

Risk Security And The School System

SPEAKER_01 24:50

Okay, not that one. Let's go to a different one. Risk or security?

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Yeah, that's totally person dependent. Right, so no one's gonna like this answer.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

I think risk all day. You will never be successful if you do not take risks. I don't care who you are, what you do. What do you mean security? You're not an entrepreneur unless you take risks. You want to be successful, working a nine to five is not gonna get you there. Or even if no, staying, being being content working a nine to five is not gonna get you there. Any money you get, you have to take a risk, a calculated risk, but you have to take risk. You took a risk, I took a risk. Everyone does that, is mega successful. Just name one person that's successful that didn't do it unless they got it handed down to them. There's no argument against that.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

I agree, but I think I agree to the extreme. Okay. Well, he's extreme, yeah. Why do we have security in this? Like, why do we go to school, go to college, get pushed to get jobs? Security, job security, security, security. But why?

SPEAKER_01 25:56

I mean, so you're okay. Historically. I mean, there's no other answer. That's security. We don't want you to fail in life, they want you to be okay, so we always have something to fall back on.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

What else is there? Take me back to 1776 when this country was founded. Okay, yeah. Do people have jobs that they worked nine to fives on? What do people do? That's true. Okay. They worked they had their own farms, they fend it for themselves. Yes. They did everything on their own. They were pseudo-entrepreneurs, even if they weren't selling themselves, right?

SPEAKER_02 26:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

Keep going. Industrial revolution hits. Yeah. Right? Henry Ford is for those that you should really look into history if you don't know history. Is one of the biggest reasons that women go to school and college is pushed. Why? I don't know. Because he wanted cheap labor and he wanted people built into his system so he could have monopolize the industry. Capitalism. So that was pushed through. I mean, I agree, women can work, and I 100% love that. But it's just interesting when you look at why. He was the one who funded the bill to get passed for them to do it because he wanted cheap labor in the factories. So wait, let me get this straight.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

So essentially, you're saying, oh wow, now I get what you're saying. As an entrepreneur, you do want job security because that creates great employees.

SPEAKER_00 27:27

The system is made to make employees. Oh, this man's bad.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

It's a systematic flaw in our country. So basically, essentially what you're saying is both have to exist. If you do not have job security, you're going to lose employees because everyone wants to be entrepreneurs and therefore no entrepreneur or no business can thrive. If you don't have people that are take risks, you have no entrepreneurs. Yeah, when he went to school. What did you say?

SPEAKER_00 27:50

When he went to school, right? Yeah, yeah. Let me just give a better example.

SPEAKER_03 27:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

A funny one for those to relate. I love maths, guys. I love math. Calculus was my favorite subject. Right? Crazy. I got the points taken off every single test.

SPEAKER_03 28:07

Why?

SPEAKER_00 28:07

Because I didn't do it the way the teacher wanted me to do it. I had the right answer. But I was able to do it in my head and do it a short form of the equation, and I would get yelled, you didn't show your work, it's not the way we teach it, you lose points. You know what's the teacher, somebody? Constantly doing that to somebody? You need to do it our way. It's our way, or you're in trouble. Our way, it's in trouble. Those who took risks, those who went and did things differently, got scolded in school.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

That's right. I'm laughing because everything you're saying is true. It's it's when you think about it like that, it's so bizarre that even though I arrived at the same exact answer that you came up with, I have to do it your way. And that limits people, that kills risk takers. That's horrible, dude. That is disgusting. That's how our school system is. And I think after you know what the crazy thing is, and I'll close off with this. I don't know if I should, I'm gonna say it anyway. Entrepreneurship kind of shows you how crazy the school system is. Once you become an entrepreneur and you kind of free your mind and you create your own success and your own business and own revenue, and you're not relying on someone to pay you a paycheck, you start to realize schools designed to make you stay at a certain level and work for someone else. Listen to the example you just gave. Because you found the answer, you got the right answer, but you did it a different way, you were penalized for it. That's insane. All the time.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

That's insane. Because they did things differently. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

And I guess that's why he's an entrepreneur.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

But like, I want to add, and I think this is so important. I don't think the people that work in the school system, they they're doing it for the beneficial of the student. I agree with that fullheartedly. Like, teachers, I've had amazing teachers in my life. Oh, of course.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

So I think it's an important distinction. I'm just talking the system as a whole.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

Correct. Such as curriculum and things that should be taught. And um, I I yeah, the system as a whole, I think is comp nothing, I know is completely against entrepreneurship.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

Because they only teach certain. When you went to your guidance counselor in 11th grade, right? What do they ask you? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_01 30:14

What do you want to be? What college do you want to go to? What college are you going to? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

What college are you going to? What do everyone asking? What college are you going to? Yeah. What what are we assuming we're going to college? I mean, I went because I remember I have to go to college. Everyone's asking me what college I'm going to.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

And it was always this competitive nature, right? What college are you gonna accept you? What college are you going to college? And then somebody's like, it was horrible. The people who didn't go to college looked at it and I'm like, that's so screwed up.

Social Media AI And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_00 30:43

So we just keep pushing them in the system. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 30:46

Because entrepreneuri. Hey, do you think you think the reason for that is because social media didn't exist? I think social media has showed us what entrepreneurship can truly blossom into. Yeah, I think social media is a great thing. I'm saying maybe that is the reason people because today's day nobody wants to go to college anymore. Unless you have a career such as a physician, a lawyer, attorney. But now everyone's like, I'm gonna go my own business. Because I think it's because of the social media wave now. That's what I'm saying. That's what pushed people to really fall in love with entrepreneurship. It showed the lifestyle, it showed that I can start from zero and following people through their journey and seeing them become a success.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

Wait till AI steps in. Oh, it's over.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

It's game time. You're gonna have to be an entrepreneur. Everything's changing. You don't even dude with AI, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything's changing. Anthony, great episode. Like always, my friend. Any closing words?

SPEAKER_00 31:34

Think differently. Okay. Yeah. And that's how you truly succeed and double down on yourself. And just because you feel like you don't belong, maybe you just don't belong in that environment. You belong in a different environment of self. You're right.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

You know it's crazy. I'll leave you with this. Warren Buffett said, um, if I forgot, I can't not quote me, but if you're doing something for a very long time and you're not successful, do not be afraid to try something new. Sometimes you maybe you have the skill set to be successful, but it's just because you're in the wrong area. And I never forget that. And sometimes you know you start to question yourself. So he's right. Be unorthodox, step outside the box.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

And there's nothing wrong in being an employee or being an employer because we all have to fit into one vehicle to be successful. And I've seen many very, very happy employees that love it. And it's just know where you belong and don't force yourself into something you don't belong. Because I was employed, I was miserable.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

There you go. But that's what I'm saying. There's success in both worlds. The success you can be successful and still be an employer, you can be successful and be an entrepreneur, but there's also difficulty in both worlds.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

Agreed.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

There's difficulty. So just choose your car, jump in it, and keep driving, my friend. Until next time, the Anthony Eamon Show. We'll catch you. That was good, man. I love that. That was really good. Did you enjoy that?

SPEAKER_00 32:47

Yeah, it was fun.