Marriage Without An Exit

The wedding doesn’t magically upgrade your relationship. The real upgrade or the real collapse usually starts when the pressure hits: kids, sleep loss, money stress, business risk, and the moment you realize the help stops showing up.

Anthony Amon from Redefined Fitness and Yao get honest about what marriage looks like when you’re building a business and raising a family at the same time. Anthony tells the story of being the guy who took a great woman for granted, hit a “what am I doing with my life” moment, and rebuilt himself through responsibility, discipline, and opening his first gym. That journey exposes painful lessons about friendships, boundaries, and how fast your circle changes when you stop living the old life.

We also go deep on divorce prevention mindset, including the “burn the boats” approach to commitment, why taking your partner for granted kills long-term love, and how to “fall in love again” on purpose after conflict. Then we debate a question that makes most couples pause: who should come first in a family, your kids or your spouse, and what does a unified front actually look like in real parenting decisions?

If you’re navigating entrepreneurship, marriage advice that isn’t fluffy, communication problems, or the emotional whiplash of building a life under pressure, this conversation will give you language and tools you can use today. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs it, and leave a review with the biggest takeaway you’re trying to apply.

Transcript

Welcome And The Big Question

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hey guys, I'm Anthony Demon, owner of Redefined Fitness. And today we have a topic I have been wanting to talk about for a very, very long time. Because I think it's so relevant, especially nowadays and age. And when it comes to just everything from health, fitness, emotional regulation, the whole nine yards, it takes every aspect. So without further ado, my favorite man Yao here. Take it away, buddy.

Marriage Before And After Kids

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Let's go. All right. So as you know, Anthony's been married for how many years? We're gonna find out. But Anthony's a married man, he loves his wife. Shout out to Ms. Zaman. And we got some questions about how entrepreneurship just ties into marriage and the history of it, things of that nature, how it's changed throughout the years. And who better to ask than Anthony Amon himself? All right. So Anthony, what how has your beautiful question? How has your perception of marriage changed? How long have you been married to Ms. Zaman? Three years. Okay. How has your perception of marriage changed since from now to prior to getting married?

SPEAKER_01 0:56

A lot.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

And the biggest catalyst was having kids. Okay, and how so? Like what was it prior to your Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:04

So like everybody, you meet a woman, you fall in love, right? And or a man, if whatever, and you fall in love with that person, and you just know like that's someone you want to spend the rest of your life with, and you're you go, you plan a wedding, you're super stressed about it, like everyone else. You walk down the aisle, you say I do, and it's all great. And you just keep thinking it's great, and you go home, all the wedding stuff ends, and you just feel like you're in the exact same boat you were in prior to getting married. So it doesn't change. So from being engaged, for me at least, to being married, nothing changed. Nothing how I felt, operated, acted, really worked. And I didn't notice a dynamic change until after we had kids, and then it became the oh, this isn't just about us anymore. This is now about our kids. This is now about how we're raising our kids. And you talk about talk about it a lot and how you're gonna do, but when when it hits the boots at the road, it's like, wow, it's just different. And you realize like you're responsible for another human being, like you're their lives are in your hand. You feed them, you raise them, like without you, they die. Correct. So it's how do you know how to make sure that kid learns all the right lessons? And how do you adapt that inside your marriage when you're both happy with how you're raising that individual person? And for me personally, the biggest lesson I learned the way, just to kind of jump into it, was I was still caught up in my parents and like I need my parents this, I need my parents that. But I was like, wait, no, I'm the parent. And I had to learn that lesson 200 times, you can ask Sarah. But it's like, no, I have to be the parent. This is no longer about my parents and trying to be this, it's me being my own individual and just like starting a business, there's no one to go to, right? You gotta save it.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

Move away from it and take that lesson and dive into it. And when when was that turning point? Is it immediate when the son was born? When you realize, no, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

No, same thing, you get that honeymoon, like you have a new kid, great, everyone's there around for the first couple weeks. It's when everyone stops showing up.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Yes, yes, that's okay. That's when you realize I don't need to ask for help anymore.

SPEAKER_02 3:27

Yeah, like I need to do this myself. Like, that no one's coming to save me, the sleepless nights, and not people know this. My son was really colicky, like there was colic, and then there was what he was, and I have talked to so many parents, and they explain like what their kid was colicky, and then I tell them mine, and they go, Oh my god, that's worse. Wow. So I think we just had to learn so much quicker, and we went through so much, and people just didn't get it. Like you would explain, like, I haven't slept in three months, and they're like, Ha ha, okay. Like everyone else, I was like, No, like my wife and I would have therapy sessions. Honey, don't jump out the window. She literally came to me one day and she goes, Anthony, there's dinosaurs in the street. I think I need to go to bed. Oh, it's bad. Yeah, I was like, honey, there's no dinosaurs. Let's go take a nap.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

I'll take him. Oh, it's bad. Okay. Well, with that being said, what did you say another beautiful question? What did you learn about yourself from being married, man? What did you learn about Anthony?

SPEAKER_02 4:34

Anthony had to be his own person. Wow. Uh more than he knew he had to be. Okay. Like I learned it in business. Yeah, yeah. And it's like learning in a marriage. And I knew going into it that, you know, just like a relationship and everything in life, you can't take it for granted. You have to constantly work at it, even when you get married. Regardless. You have to work at it.

SPEAKER_04 4:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:58

There's a certain level of effort you have to put into it, right? Training, right? Sometimes, though, your marriage needs effort. Sometimes your business needs effort. And you can vary that back and forth. We talked about that. But like when your marriage needs efforts, you put the effort in. And that's okay. Because every marriage needs that. You don't take that person for granted. You don't go to bed fighting. And I I try like my hardest to make sure that doesn't happen. I love that. I do the same thing, yeah. And I try really quickly to move on, and I I always forgive because I don't want to put words in my wife's mouth, so I'm just gonna talk from my own personal relationship. It's you know, I would rather be wrong than fight. Really? And I would rather change than fight. And the reason being, okay, I know I want to spend the rest of my life with that woman. Like I you kill your pride. I don't care about me anymore. I just want her, and I just want to I just want to make sure that I'm here for her. And you know what? I know some things like I could push back on, and it's fine. Like you should, you should be your independent person. But like at the end of the day, like my lover is greater than anything. And every second we spend arguing and fighting is a second I don't get to kiss her and hold her. Because I don't know how long I have on this earth. And I I don't mean I'm different than most people, but we fight. I'm upstairs five minutes later, I'm back downstairs. I'm like, okay, how do we make this work? Because I just want to hold you.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

It's called true. That's that's real love right there. You really love her with that. Um, a lot of couples, a lot of people that have been married for decades don't experience what you just said. That is phenomenal. Um, and it's always been like that. Did you always feel like that about her? Or just does it get stronger? Did it get stronger throughout time? Or did you all again not trying to reveal too much, but there was a time you weren't together, you got, but did that feeling always exist? Like, dude, she's not here. I can't live without this girl.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

That only happened after we broke up.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

Okay, the absence of her is where it showed, like, okay, I need this lady, man.

SPEAKER_02 7:05

I took her for granted. Wow. That was a horrible boyfriend.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

Really?

SPEAKER_02 7:09

You can admit to that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

How so?

SPEAKER_02 7:12

I just uh took her for advantage. She was there, never gave her the attention she needed, always said stupid shit. Was still I was still learning to be my own person. I was heavy. I thought like my life was my friends and going out drinking in the bars. Okay. I had no responsibility in my life.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

Okay.

The Ceiling Fan Wake Up Call

SPEAKER_02 7:33

It's I remember my goal was to be happy. And when you take an extreme, that extreme became drinking, women, and then when I started dating sour, just okay, she's there, great. That's awesome. Now I still don't want to continue the drinking and hanging out and not having responsibilities. I didn't have that change until I was 25 years old. And we talked about this, but like you on your couch, right? That was me on her floor in her apartment at a ceiling fan for four and a half hours. Laying on the floor, staring at her ceiling fan. She's judging me, but whatever. I was like, and I was like, what the fuck am I doing?

SPEAKER_00 8:12

That night. So what will you what was going through your head that night? Like, can you just talk to us, to walk us through?

SPEAKER_02 8:18

Yeah, I've very easily I had a realization of life. I'm 25 years old. I have no money in my bank account, I'm not going anywhere. I have no care in the world. I feel like the dream I had as a child that I wanted to leave my mark on the world has gotten nowhere. And what the hell am I doing? And I just broke down. Not crying, but just mentally, just what is going on? I am not comfortable, happy in what I'm doing. Like, what I'm going to bars at 25 years old and like to hang out with people. Like, what's wrong with me? And I was like, I just need to cut everything out of my life.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

There. That's where I was trying to catch. So it wasn't specifically Sarah. It was just, now I'm getting okay. You were just tired of the way you were living overall. I wanted to cut everything. And you just I need to I need a fresh restart. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

But Anthony, why was she included in that? I would need it. She was the closest person to me. So I need to cut everything.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

But if she well, if she wasn't causing a burden to you, why her though? She, we still we fought a lot. There we go. Okay. So you you focus more on the negative side and then start to think, well, she has this type of negativity to my life. She's gone. She fought a lot. She's gone. Really? Oh yeah, I was an asshole. Okay. And you can take accountability and say 90% of that was because of your people. 99.99% of it was my fault. Excuse me. What kind of things did you do though, and like just neglect? Like, what did you do? I was hanging out with people I shouldn't have been hanging out with. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 9:53

And I was she my wife is very conservative in the sense of marriage. And I was what's the proper word for this?

SPEAKER_02 10:09

I was a flirt.

SPEAKER_03 10:10

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

In the wrong way. And it was bad. I just took her so for granted. And I just wanted to take her for granted and have her in my life. I was being super selfish. And it was all my fault.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

It takes a very well, very mature person to admit that and take accountability. What have you seen? So you healed from that. Did you guys go to therapy or no? You didn't do therapy.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

No, so I'll just finish the story. So the next day after the ceiling fan, she came over, she bought me a gold chain for my birthday, and I ended up breaking up with her out my front lawn. Okay, hold on, folks.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Come back. Hold on. The next day was your birthday?

SPEAKER_02 10:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

She bought your present.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Yeah. She walked up. I was having family over, and I broke up with her outside before everyone else got there.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

My God, that's painful. But the amount of let me tell you something, man. Accountability takes a true man. The fact that you have to be accountable and not lie and try to finagle your way out of it. Well, it wasn't really my fault. That means a lot.

SPEAKER_02 11:15

Well wanted to cut everything, and I just was that's so flarely.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

Oh man, I was How did you what? Wow, I'm trying to. So how did you feel that? Did you knew you were you knew you were gonna do it? You knew.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

You knew like as soon as I see this lady, I'm gonna do this. Once I saw her and I saw that I still wasn't happy. Okay. So you gave it something, you went home after the ceiling fan, you just got up off the floor, went home. She came over, I saw her, and it hit you. Like I'm just happy. I don't want to do this. And you you still took the present. Did you still took it? She threw it at me, but that's all right. Oh, so you broke up with a wow.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

She's like, Wow. I deserved it. Don't like don't please don't give it like this. Is she is an amazing woman.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

Oh no, no, no. I'm not talking so what I was saying is that the fact that she had the present in hand and thready because you broke up in front of her, were your friends around at that very moment? It was just you alone with I mean her. But mainly the influence came from the friends you were around. That's why your circle is so important and kind of determines how what your future looks like. You hang out with five bombs, you're gonna be the sixth, and you made a decision that you soon came to regret.

SPEAKER_02 12:16

So I broke up with her, and then for the next few weeks, I was thought I could go back to my bar life because I was upset. I wanted to get happy again.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

Why were you upset?

SPEAKER_02 12:26

Because I broke up with her. Why? You made that decision. I know. So it hit you right after. Hit me right after. And I was like, let me go to the bar scene, blah, blah, blah. And I'm at the and I wouldn't I'm not gonna forget this. It was three o'clock in the morning. I'm at this bar, I'm with my cousin, I'm with my brother. And I just look at like, I don't want to do this.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

So the so let me stop you there. So from the from the floor, you realize you didn't want to do it, but then you went back. I went back to it. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

And I just I'm like, I have a drink in my hand, and it's just I'm looking, I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?

Opening A Gym Without Real Friends

SPEAKER_03 13:02

Like, what's wrong with me? This is not what I want. I went home, I I never went back up. I was like, I'm done.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

And so what I did was I found a gym, signed leases on my first location, I said, I'm gonna open this gym. I'm gonna make this my legacy, I'm gonna work for my life back.

SPEAKER_03 13:25

And we're going through the getting open.

SPEAKER_02 13:33

I meet a great fucking guy. He owns a personal training seat on the road. And I was a big believer in networking, talking to people. He's like, listen, I'm moving. I have 20 clients. Take them. I was like, you want to move forward? He goes, no. He's like, you came out of your way to meet me. Wow. Talk to me. I believe in what you want to do, take them. He's like, I'm done in three weeks.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

He's like, I'm not open yet. I was like, I'll get open for you. So I called everybody.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

Family, friends, anyone I knew. I said, I don't ask for anything. I've never asked for anything. I especially friends. I was a person that showed up at 2 o'clock in the morning for them, but I never asked for anything in return. Ever. I need help. I cannot do this alone. Can you please help me? Like, even if you don't know construction, help me clean, help me sweep, like something. Like, this is an opportunity of a lifetime. I can't eff this up. And then I'm fucked. So my family came a lot. Like my mom, my dad, my siblings were there a lot. Especially my dad. He was there like almost every day for 10 hours a day. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

I had two friends that came twice and hung out with me. Keep in mind, folks, this is the same circle that told them to stay away from Sarah. This is interesting. Those two friends did not tell me that.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

Oh. I had a best friend who lived a mile up the road, a mile from the gym. He could walk there. And ten other friends that I thought were friends, there's a big circle we had. Okay. Never showed up.

unknown 15:22

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Making excuses. My best friend had the audacity to come with his girlfriend and just say, hey, we're just looking around. They just looked around and left. Wow. Didn't pick up anything, didn't help anything, knew how much I needed it. In your face. In my face. How long have you known that gentleman? Been friends with 10 years. Oh. To the point like we went on cruises together with my family. Like I consider him a brother. Oh. And he burned me. And that wasn't the worst of it, but that was hard. Um I was like, what the fuck? And these all these people told me to break up with Sarah. And I'm still depressed about her. Like, I'm still building this gym and I still think about it every day. Can't get her out of my head. And that's when I realized I fucked up. I said, I fucked up. Like this is on me. But I was in the same time over those six months learning and growing how to be an individual by taking the shot on myself by opening my gym. Like that was me changing my life. Yes. And I was like, no, no, I need that woman. Correct. That woman loves me.

Earning Trust And Winning Sarah Back

SPEAKER_00 16:33

And I first reached out to her. She just was not having it. So let's stop. Wait, reaching. So you reached out to the gym is almost done at the time or no?

SPEAKER_02 16:41

Yeah. Okay. We're just about we we get open. I'm working and I'm trying to at the same time reaching out to her.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Oh. Did you have any fear of I need to do it now? Maybe if I wait till the gym's open, time's running out. She may not answer, but did it do all that? Oh, I was thinking she's gonna find another guy. So you mustered the strength eventually to say now's the time. Oh man. What made you say now's the time?

SPEAKER_02 17:02

I dove into the gym. I was gonna dive into with her.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

I was like, I need her. Okay. Did you compartmentalize? Like, let me finish the gym first, focus here.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Yeah, I got the gym open.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Got you.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

And then I was like, okay. I was reaching out feelers, but then really started working on it after that.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

Any responses between there?

SPEAKER_02 17:22

Uh, she would like seldomly answer me, and rightfully so. Of course. Was treat the really hesitant. But I begged. And nothing's wrong with that, dude. No, I I begged for her to like, please give me a shot, like, give me a chance. Let's just get together. We went on a few dates, and she was, you could tell she was cold.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Cold. And you gotta understand that. Oh, yeah. But how do you know you changed? How do you know that? I I changed through the gym. I changed through the responsibility. I had responsibility now. So prior to no responsibilities, but what how did those new responsibilities you as a person to make to let you know, give me a shot, I am gonna treat you different. How does she know that? She doesn't. How do you know that?

SPEAKER_02 18:03

I knew that because at the same time, I'm learning about myself and doing self-study, and I'm learning it's all my fault. I'm learning that I can only control what I can control. And I'm I'm all those lessons I talk about now, I learned during that time period. Like no one's coming to save you, Anthony. Do it yourself. And you are responsible for your own life. You're responsible for your own happiness. You know that. Go do it. Get up and go. Pick yourself up from your sorry ass and go. And that's what I wanted to do. I said, pick myself up. I'm gonna get my life in order because what woman wants to date a loser? For real. What a loser I was doing front desk work part-time and half-assing real estate. That's not right. Marriage and relationships go two ways. She was working on a career as a nurse, and I'm sitting here jerking off, like not doing anything. And then when I finally got my feet grounded and started making something for myself, I was like, okay, now I have something to bring to the table. I'm making a name for myself, and I want her there.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

So there we go. She's setting it up beautifully. So the reason why you again, the stovetop theory, you stayed focused on the gym until you had something built to present her and say, this is a part of my change. I built something coming back to you as a new man was that. I mean I did something. I did something. That's what I'm saying. Okay, got it. Did you ever feel that at a certain point, like giving up while she was cold dating her? Because you felt it was cold. I wasn't giving up. You didn't care? No. I wanted her. At what point did you at that point when you were pursuing her, did you know that you wanted to marry her? Yes. Oh. When did that come about? That mindset where you said, I came to a picture. I want to marry this girl. I don't just want to be with her. This is her.

SPEAKER_02 19:51

When I was in hindsight, after what happened with everything with my friends in the gym, and I said, I'm like, that's the quality of woman I want to marry.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

God, so now let me ask you a question now. The friends neglecting you, did that strike the light bulb? When they neglected you and realized they're not here for me.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

Yeah, I mean, trust me, I have a huge problem in my life. My problem is I'm too nice. And my wife would be the first person to admit that when you get her on her ask for that. And I let that best friend still in my life at that point. I forgave him.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

That was my next question.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

I started cutting slowly people out.

unknown 20:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

I cut the people that she didn't want me talking to right away.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

But that best friend I still talked to and everything like that. Then I finally worked my ass off. I got Sarah back. You got it back.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

How many days did it take? How many?

SPEAKER_02 20:37

How much time? Weeks.

unknown 20:38

Wow.

Best Friend Betrayal And Hard Boundaries

SPEAKER_02 20:39

I don't know what exact time frame, but a long time. It took a long time. And then I finally got her back together, and that friend ended up proposing to the girl he was with. That's good. Okay. And I was like, okay. And then we're talking, and I'm not gonna forget flashball memory, man. I am in my car in the parking lot of Cabo Fresh and El Solo Mio. And we're talking, and I'm like talking up, like Sarah and I are together at this point. And he's like, man, I'm so excited to get married, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, we just have to talk about this. So like you're gonna be a groomsman at my wedding. I was like, a groomsman? He's like, Yeah. I was like, I thought I was gonna be your best man. He's like, no, no, we're just gonna make just have groomsman. I can't I'm not gonna pick a best man. And I was like, talk about it for 10 years. Every day. Oh, so this wasn't some fresh new conversation. No, we talked about it all the time. And then he's like, Yeah, yeah, she doesn't want me to have you as a best man. Oh. And I was like, okay, whatever. Not the build up, not the end of the world. Oh, that's dirty. Oh, it gets worse. Um, and he goes, and I don't know, I know uh this is gonna be hard to hear, but Sarah's not invited to the wedding. No. I was like, What? Why? So my question, why? Why? What the? It's like, yeah, yeah. She doesn't like Sarah. She doesn't want her going. I was like, what has Sarah done? Wow, dude. It's like, oh, I don't know. Something. I'm like, my wife. Or my girlfriend at the time has never done anything to hurt her. That will the woman. I won't say names, but of course. To hurt her. Ever. Give me an example. I don't know, man. She just said that she looked at her wrong the wrong way. I was like, I'm surprised. And I'm like, I'm gonna start gonna start digging. Why don't you why am I not the best man? Well, she doesn't really respect you. What? I said, what? What did I ever do to her? Well, you had a fitness class when I worked at retro, and I invited her for free to come. Like, I was like, yeah, come on, I'll teach a class, it'd be great. And you were judging her the whole time. What in the world? You said you were making fun of her because she was overweight and the way you looked at her. I was like, you know, I do this for a living, right? Do you think I would ever, ever discourage someone from working out? Ever. I work with hundreds of people and I'll never do that. And then he goes, Yeah, but this is what she said. I was like, you've known me for 10 years. I've never done that. I never think like that. I never act like that. I was happy she was there. Oh, I don't know, man. I don't know. Came out later that she apparently admitted to him that she made it up. And obviously, I would never do that. Yeah. And still wouldn't allow Sarah to come to the wedding. I was like, all right, we're done. I'm not going. I was like, I don't, you're gonna listen to this woman that and I understand like it's your relationship, but like but if wrong is wrong, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 23:56

Same way if Sarah says something you believe is wrong, doesn't mean just but you would tell her, I think that's wrong. Yeah, of course. So you so so hit someone you being your best friend for 10 years. You see, and let me ask you, do you think the guy was a bit jealous of you? Yeah. Uh I had a feeling. Very? Oh wow. You found this out after or throughout, you felt it a little bit at times.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

He was trying to get into med school and he had to go overseas to go to a med school program for two years, and it was very tough to get back to the States to get Yeah, I know St.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

George or something, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

Yeah, that's where he was. Oh wow. And uh he couldn't get into a program. Oh he kept failing, failing, failing, failing. And that's when I was starting to progress in the gym world and make a name for myself. This way, you gotta be careful, man.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

Sometimes people are your friend because you're in the same financial level, socioeconomic level. But then once you sprout, you start to see real emotions come out, man.

SPEAKER_02 24:50

Damn. And I know this is recording, obviously. I will flat out say, Sarah, you were absolutely right. Oh, so she told you.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

Oh, yeah, she told me for years. Do you find that most of the thing you're most of the things that Sarah says come out to be true at times? Like she's the one that forewarns you, Anthony. This guy's not good. I wouldn't do this. Is she that type of? I am too nice and too loud.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

She is very introverted into herself and observes. That's how Sarah is. So she sees things I don't see because I blind her. I am very driven. I push, but when I focus, I'm focusing, man. Like when I'm focusing in the gym, everything else falls. That's very strong as that.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

That's just strong as it, but that's how you got here.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

Yeah, like I can't think about analyzing how people thinking me feel this. She's like, oh, this person's bad. This person's like, I don't. I don't pay attention.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Do you listen to it though? Or do you do you still have your own judgment? I don't have my own judgment. Okay, good. I was gonna because it's that can be bad if you do.

SPEAKER_02 25:47

I have my own judgment and I'm always wrong. Really? Oh yeah. Nine and a half times out of ten, I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

Wow. Okay. So there's people that okay, okay. What so what attributes do you what attributes do you possess in a relationship that you see strengthen Sarah and make her a better person?

SPEAKER_02 26:05

Right. So she's first set of dating, you couldn't hear her speak. Wow, okay. Like, talk like this. Very, like, in a very big shell.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

And before you continue, because you're you're such polar opposites personality-wise, I'd love to hear this. I think this is really important.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

Yeah, we I wanted to get her out of her shell. Okay. Because at the same time, as much as I could be nice and people could pick me, you being too shy, people are gonna judge you. Exactly. Yeah, and I always made fun of her, like Sarah, you're so quiet and you're a resting bitch face, everyone thinks you're a bitch. And that always was the case. People would always be like, Oh, why is Sarah so mean? It's like she's not mean, you just can't hear her. Okay, and she's just so shy about talking, like that's why you think she's mean. She's not a mean person at all. She's the nice people I've met my life. Okay. And I wanted to bring that personality out so that biases disappeared. Oh, and it did. Over time, like she started coming out of her shelves, started talking to people, and that started fading. And more people say, Oh, okay, this is who she is. Or like, she's got a funny personality, but we couldn't hear her because she was too shy. And now people, now she starts saying, Oh, people think I'm funny, like, laugh at my jokes together. She's got a crazy sense of humor. And it's like, yeah, that's what I wanted. She had that comes out. That came out. You brought that out. So we like you rebuild each other in a sense. And everyone has their strong suits, and that's important. And what I needed most of my life was a rock, and she was that rock. She was that grounding.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

Okay. So Sarah, just being an introvert, you kind of, I don't want to say you killed that, but you just brought out it brought her out more. She was able to talk and communicate more and be more outspoken. You, you needed support. That support that you needed, is it because at first it was Anthony relying on his parents, then Anthony relying on himself, but you needed support somewhere else. So Sarah was kind of that gap or filled that void.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Yeah, she became the like you need to do this for yourself.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

I got you. Where you were always altruistic, doing things for everyone else and forgot about Anthony, which led to the bars and appeasing friends and all this other stuff.

COVID Debt And Staying In The Fight

SPEAKER_02 28:03

And now she's like, You need to focus on you to the point that extreme, or to the other extreme. March tw March 16th, 2020. Um, working at my gym, it's 10:30 in the morning. The governor comes on and says you're closing. And I cried like a little baby on the couch. COVID. And it was like, it's all over. Like I just made it and it's done. Like, that's it. And she's like, no, go. And then we were broke for two and a half years, like broke. Like people say broke. Like you, like how you understand it. Not broke of having Starbucks and a coffee. Like Yeah, no. Yeah. Like, wow, we're$150,000 in credit card debt. We can't really afford the mortgage, and we're screwed. Broke.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

So you had a house together this time, you're married at this time.

SPEAKER_03 28:56

And I said, let me just get a job.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Let me just work. Like, we have no money. Like, there's nothing coming in, there's nothing happening. This took years to recover, and she's like, No. You'd be miserable. Keep going. I'm like, no, honey, I'll just give up. I'll just move and just whatever. No. Were you sonborn at the time?

SPEAKER_00 29:20

No, this is way before. Just every time you try to quit. Sarah. Every time I try to quit. She would push stay on the ledge. Do not just jump and quit. She would keep you on there. Without Sarah, you think you would be here right now?

unknown 29:32

No.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Not at all. She made you more resilient.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

That's phenomenal, Andy. You really lucked out because um, especially as a woman, most women follow the men. You're the leader. You're the guy that had it. So if you're saying to quit, it's like, okay, I'll follow it. You I mean, you know best. But for her to know there's something in you that I can see that you may not see right now, you can do this. What do you think that is that she saw, man?

SPEAKER_02 29:58

I don't know. I really don't know. That'd be a question for her.

SPEAKER_00 30:03

I I don't know. Now that you're a success, you have two locations, you made it. You beat COVID, you did it all. You did it. You passed the hump, man. You have a family, beautiful family, you're married. How are you now adding to Sarah's dreams? And like, what are her dreams like that? You does Anthony think about that now? Like, I'm here now, I'm good, you helped me, you did it. How can I give to you now? Right. So, this is a great question.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

And I'm gonna tweak it a little bit because I think it's important.

SPEAKER_03 30:34

Men and women have roles. Okay. And I think it's important people understand that. And there are outliers, of course.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

But innately, deep down, like biology level, we get driven and pushed by different things that make us happy. Men need to create, need to have goals. That is the epitome of our happiness. Purpose. Pushing forward in purpose. If you don't have that, you're depressed. Nine times out of ten. Women are nurturers that need to nurture.

SPEAKER_00 31:12

I agree, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

And I agree. What a better way to find that and to find that sense of purpose in life than to have kids and be a mother. And my goal for her was to make her stay at home. Wow. Because she wanted it. It's okay if she doesn't want it. And some people don't, that's fine. But she wanted it. She was miserable in her career. She'd come home crying all the time. And she's like, I saw like she's gonna be a great freaking mother. And she is a great freaking mother. Don't get me like even now. And I was like, I need to like her happiness is keeping her home. So she can raise our kids, she can be there for them, and she can nurture and grow them. And I love my kids to death. Right? I would do anything for them, but it's a different level with her. And it's so hard to put into words and how she like the way she looks at them, the way she cares for them. I feel like for me, I have to think about it and I have to analyze it. And I'm just like, how does this work? She just goes. It's like, how do you do that? She sleeps less. Two kids screaming. She stresses, but she gets through. And that still makes her happier than work ever did. She feels fulfilled. And that's what I wanted for her to feel fulfilled.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

Final question, Anthony. That was beautiful, man. That was emotional. That was phenomenal. Um how does it make you feel seeing that? Just from taking a stand back, a step back, and just looking at your two kids and Sarah. You did it, man. This is a guy that was in seventh grade, was gonna take his own life. This is a guy that was in the bars drinking, lost. This is a guy that laid on Sarah's floor at one point looking at the ceiling, just completely lost. How does it make you feel that I achieved a great amount of success? And I still want more, but I hit a certain threshold so far. Like I did it, man.

Burn The Boats On Divorce

SPEAKER_02 33:07

I'm gonna change the question. Okay. That's great now, but I wanna dive deep into this. Okay. It's about marriage. This is more than I'm still newly married in some people's eyes. The second you take your partner for granted, the second you lose them. So you don't take it for granted at all. And it's so important that you remind yourself in any way you need to remind yourself about why you fell in love with that person and what they mean to you. The divorce rate is over 50%. That means it's say it's 51, 52, you and I hanging out, one of us is gonna have divorced. Why? Why? There's multiple reasons, and one of the biggest ones is taking your partner for granted. Go fall in love again. Make it a game. Like, whatever that has to be, go make it a game to fall in love. You'll fight, you'll get close to screaming at each other, whatever, but like then remember, like, no, I love this person. Like, this person is everything to me. I don't want to start over. I want to be with her. She was there through all of it. Like, that's that's the woman that cares for me. Let me show her how much I love her all the time so I can make that work. And then ties into burning the boats, like we talked about, right? Cortez. Let's talk about that in marriage. I one of one of the reasons marriage is so high, we never burn the boats anymore. Divorce level, yeah. Divorce.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

Because now we can get divorced. Yo, that's crazy. I adopted that mentality. I love that. That if you tell each other, I'm not leaving, you have to solve it.

SPEAKER_02 34:45

I told her before I proposed, because I've I believe in open communication. I always talked about everything. Okay. I said, I do not believe in divorce.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:54

There's no divorce. Like, if you think that's ever an option, like that's not me.

SPEAKER_00 34:58

No, let me ask you. Any of you ever play with that in arguments? Oh, I want a divorce. And did that ever come up? Outside of joking, never. Okay, never, never seriously either.

SPEAKER_02 35:05

I do not believe in divorce. Oh, wow. I you have like it has to be an absolute case. And that had 2% of the population. The divorce rate wouldn't exist, and people were happier when the divorce rate didn't exist because people couldn't believe in getting divorced. Because they made them work for everything towards that marriage. I see what you're saying. Look at boyfriend, girlfriend. What's the difference between getting married and being in a relationship with a boyfriend, girlfriend? There's none if divorce is a thing. Huh. The only difference is that in marriage, you're supposed to be one person and one unit that never separates. Correct. Otherwise, what's the point of getting married? Don't get married. You believe in divorce, don't get married. Instead, think of marriage as a totally next step where that person is your person for the rest of your life, and that's it. There's no option. You burn those boats behind you, you say, bye, baby. Yes, it's it. I'm here. I love it. And then you give yourself that opportunity to work your ass off to make sure that's the only way is through. There's garbage, we're fighting, it's miserable. She hates me today. Yep. And trust me, I've been there, but nope, I'm going through it, baby. I love it. I ain't going back that way. Yes. It doesn't exist. I killed it. Yes. And for men, and maybe this is for me or just for men individual, it's not the wedding. The wedding, I feel like, isn't the mindset shift? The mindset shift was the proposal. Because I would never propose to someone and ever planning on marrying another person I married knew is the person. So when I I made the decision, because obviously I surprised a proposal to her was I'm buying this ring, this is it for the rest of my life. There's no going back.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

So you knew right there that, yo, if I do this, this is it. I gotta be sure.

SPEAKER_02 36:46

I was at my parents' house in my dad's office, looking at rings, because she was out with her family that day, and I hit my preferred purchase.

SPEAKER_00 36:55

I sat there and I said to myself, if I do this, this is it. This is it, there's no run back. But Kanty, but how do you know she had that mentality? How do you know that? Just because one party believes in never getting divorced and staying, it's scary if the other is not as devoted as you. That doesn't matter. How so? Because you may put all the energy forth to make it work. You control your own life. I see what you're saying.

Spouse First Parenting Fights And Patience

SPEAKER_02 37:18

Right? And you could if we think we're done before we're actually done. Same goes for business. We think we're done before we're actually done. How many times did I think I was done, but there was more left? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How much have you really done? How much have you really worked for it? Okay. And if you were able to ignite that love the first time, you can hide it the second time. Yeah. And the third time, in the fourth time. And energy transfers. Oh man. It's so hard to be mad at someone when they come over and hug you and kiss you. Yeah, of course. Right? Especially if you love me. Yeah, like you as much as like my favorite thing to do, and she's not gonna know my secret, but whatever. It's like she's mad at me. I go and I hug her. And she's still mad at me, so she ain't hugging me back, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just laying there because I know that's transferring through. I know a part of her. It's got a little bit. It's Anthony. It's Anthony. Because deep down I know, like, I don't want to be mad at you. I don't, like, I don't, I don't care what the answer is. I want to be with you the rest of my life. There's no going back. There's no changing, there's no getting remarried. No, it's it's you, and that's it. Until the day you or I die, it's us. And whatever may happen, it's us to the very, very, very, very end. And here's a hard, hard thing to say out loud. Who is a priority in your life more than anything in the world? Do you have your parents, your kids, and your wife, right? What should that order be?

SPEAKER_00 38:43

Oh, I love that. Mine is kids first. For me. Kids first, wife, then the parents. I disagree. How you get kids fenned for themselves? At least until they're 18. Right. Oh, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 39:00

Let's break this down. What was the infant mortality rate 1500 years ago? Oh, it's I mean, way shorter. Whenever four kids died, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:09

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 39:10

Who is the person that can bring back and give life? The right life. So who should be your priority? Nah, not over the kids, though, dude. Not over the kids. To the sense my wife and I prioritize our kids, don't get me wrong. Oh. But it's like you have to look at it where they're the loves, they're everything for us, of course, but because they can't eat, they can't do that. That's what I'm saying, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:34

But once they can, it's a different story. Are you just saying that now you have two young kids? Are you just saying that now?

SPEAKER_02 39:42

Like, how do you know you're not you're gonna Because I have to make that my priority? I have to keep that flame on from my wife. By what your parents you didn't have a choice who your parents were. Good point. You don't have a choice who your kids are. Your kids don't have a choice to you as your parent. Who's the only person that chose you? Who is the only person that said to you, I want to be with you?

SPEAKER_00 40:07

I've never heard of that before. That's good.

SPEAKER_02 40:11

I didn't have a choice who my parents were. My kids didn't have a choice. My wife said, I want you. I'm gonna choose you out of all the billions of people out there. I choose you. She said that to me in front of people recorded on camera, right? So who's my priority? My wife. Who is responsible for each other's happiness? My relationship with my wife. Okay, right? Go back to conversations I've had them on this podcast when it comes to the people say the kids are my happiness, even when they're like 18, 19. No, your spouse is your happiness. You're responsible for your happiness first to yourself and then to your spouse. And in marriage, you become one. And whether you're religious or not religious, you become one individual. And that individual then is responsible for making themselves happy. And as much as I am not Catholic to any way, I do have religious aspects that I believe in. Correct. In the Bible, because I've read it front to back, it literally says the woman weans onto her man and becomes one. Separates from the mother and uh from their father into her husband to become one. You wean out from your family into your new one, it's gone. So that means that is your priority.

SPEAKER_00 41:33

You think it's because of that scripture is what made you adopt this mentality? It's hard. I mean, when you have kids, it's so hard to say it was not your mom comes before you.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

My wife comes before everybody. Anyone. And our priorities right now are to our kids because they can't eat. That's what they can't drink. But at the end of the day, when they're there, and let's say they're 13 years old, they're not even 18, and they're arguing with me. My wife tells them they can't do something. How much of an asshole am I that I'm gonna go do that with my kids and go against my wife?

SPEAKER_00 42:08

You wouldn't.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

That's not a unified front. My wife tells my kid you can't have that donut, and I'm gonna go give that donut to him and be that person. I'm now going against my wife and making her look bad. Now my kid's not gonna respect my wife. How does that look? Now I'm having someone purposely disrespect my wife. Would you let a stranger disrespect your wife?

unknown 42:28

No.

SPEAKER_02 42:28

Why would he let kids?

SPEAKER_01 42:31

So who's your priority?

SPEAKER_00 42:33

How do you work that in America? If Anthony says yes, she says no. How do you figure out what goes? Dustin wants to go to a party, he's 16. Like, mom, dad, everyone's gonna be there. He's like, I let him go. Come on. She's like, no, it's dangerous. It's not that dangerous. He's a kid. What happens? It's a good question.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

And this is where a lot of fights come from.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

I know.

unknown 42:54

I know.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

But even pre-kins, right? There's situations you disagree with. I look at it in this scope. I think it's important to have a conversation. I think this, you think this. Very important to talk about. You can't just eat it. And when you talk about something, I like to see who's more passionate. Who has a deeper feeling? Because you guys, you might feel a certain way, but you don't care that much about something, but you care about it a little. Or she really cares about this. So let's let that escalate, right? To the point, like we're talking about back and forth. But the person who's the most deeply passionate about it should be the one who's right.

SPEAKER_04 43:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 43:35

The one that would actually screw them up, like, no, that can't happen. Well, I see what you're trying to say. That person you go, you should go with. Okay. Not the husband, not the wife. It's just that person that is so like this needs to happen this specific way. Like raising our kids. I want my kids to learn entrepreneurship trades. I want them to learn, like to pick themselves back up. My wife cares. She's not like obsessed over it. She knows, like, there's that's not an argument that she's winning. Like, though I'm raising my kids this way. Like, this is something I oh, I see what you're trying to say.

SPEAKER_00 44:07

Okay, okay, okay. I think there's two core passion.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

Right. She has a deep rooted passion about ha relationships and aspects of your priorities. I have to give that to her because she cares more than I do. Okay. So it's it's a give and let relationship. I see what you're trying to say. Yes. But the person who has more profound belief behind it. Now, what's important, and it's very difficult because I fuck up all the time. So don't, I'm not perfect. No one's perfect. You have to keep going with it, no matter how much even if you believe something's wrong, but you know she cares more, and it's the opposite opinion, you gotta back her up.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

That is the that right there, what you dude, that is so that's easier said than done. Yeah, I know, but that's killing the pride in you. You have to kill your pride in any relationship you have. You have to. How many times working here, and I've seen people tell you like the thing I like about you is that everyone knows you're the owner, your head, all that, but you allow people the floor to tell them how you feel, and you'll follow. If it seems a good leader, also has to learn how to be a phenomenal follower. You have to, because if someone has a great idea, no, screw you, it's my gym. You can't do that, but then they'll never get good ideas. That's the whole point. And I've seen you open a floor where's hey, listen, you got a great idea, okay? Let's do it. And those people will stop you and no, that's not a good idea, dude. But you look for give me an explanation as to why it's not and what else should we do? And they'll tell you, and you'll do that. So I love that you you and that's killing the pride. That's what I'm saying. Going back to killing your pride, you have to kill your pride, get into a relationship, especially with marriage. Does did you do you killed yours? We know that. Did Sarah kill hers, you think?

SPEAKER_02 45:41

She never had one. Oh, beautiful. I don't know if it was beautiful. Trust me, she she like learns in her own way. I think, like, yeah, again, men and women think and learn differently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were talking about this pre-show, right? Like, men get to the point, especially entrepreneurs. This is how we think about life now. Problem solution.

unknown 45:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:59

I don't give a shit. Whatever about forget about it.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

What happened in the past? Yeah, this is the problem. What's the solution? You only learn that through entrepreneurship. 100%. 100%. My wife's not an entrepreneur. Ah. So it's emotion, emotion, emotion, emotion, emotion, emotion, and has to talk herself through it. Okay. And it takes her a lot longer, which is fine.

SPEAKER_00 46:18

It's just balancing. That's pretty much it. It's balancing. I'm literally like black, white. So to yeah, see, for me, I'm like you, what you just said, black, white, and I get annoyed when, and that's something I gotta work on, but I get annoyed when someone is not like me. This is the solution. Let's do it. No, you don't gotta stand. I gotta explain it to you. No, I don't want to hear explaining to it. This is the solution, it's gonna work. Yeah, but I'm like, all right, now we're wasting the night. This is what we fight the most about. This exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:46

I am very like, I don't give a shit, give me the solution.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

Yes. I'm like, I am solution based. I don't want to talk about all that entrepreneurs.

SPEAKER_02 46:52

The entrepreneur in you. You're like, it's like business. So do it's only me. No, it's the entrepreneur in you. Because, like, think about it. Like, you have a problem in business, you're gonna sit there and complain about it, you're gonna fix it and make money. Fix it and make money. Yeah, of course. So that's the same thing. Fix it and make money. Now in marriage, it's fix it and move on. Keep the marriage happy.

SPEAKER_04 47:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

Right? Whereas the flip side of that is she needs to vent through her emotions.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

Because she doesn't know that. And I had to learn that. What you do because if you don't, you're gonna lose not just your wife, you're gonna lose a lot of people in life. Because not everyone is an entrepreneur, not everyone thinks like that. I think it's the best way to think. Being solution-based, let's just get straight to it. Maybe ask yourself, do you want someone that thinks like you or thinks opposite of you? And you both are okay. In that aspect, I would like, I'm just gonna be honest. In that aspect, I would like because you solve things faster.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

Not always, but it's right. I feel like it's downfall. But look at the downfall of two entrepreneurs jump ship, jump ship, jump ship, jump ship, jump ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Whatever was my wife to me. No, no, keep going. Rock. She's holding the homestead. Right, you're right, you're right. If she was entrepreneur-minded, she wouldn't be able to be the mother she is. Okay, okay. I couldn't, I couldn't, bro. As much as like, I'd have a really successful business if I had an entrepreneur with like, like, and I keep trying to get her in the business and she always laughs about it. But like, no, we need those. Who the fuck's to take care of the home?

SPEAKER_00 48:13

You're right.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

My kids are gonna have a horrible life because they both are gonna be out of the house going well. You're right. Like, all that stuff is gonna fall apart. Uh, all she takes care of and holds like that emotional regulation because we're both entrepreneurs and I have a head down focused on one thing.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

No, you're right. You need to be some, yeah, yeah, you need to obviously. In certain aspects, you need to obviously plan on having kids. I think that's the important.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

I was gonna say some make it work, but they don't have kids. So there's entrepreneurs I've seen that marry entrepreneurs don't have kids, or is in their second marriage and their kids already older.

SPEAKER_00 48:45

Okay. So you don't think an entrepreneurship, entrepreneur relationship can work out intimately if you both have kids and they're young and you're both entrepreneurs.

SPEAKER_02 48:53

I could be right.

SPEAKER_00 48:54

Uh probably it's out there, it's it's not, you can't rule it up right and off. It's extremely difficult. It is. It is. I think it's just you. You need someone with patience, and that's that's one thing. So dang. So you can technically say the problem with entrepreneurs is we're not patient. Oh no. We're not. We're the only patient people in the fucking world. Wow. You think you're patient? No, I know I'm not. Everyone tells me, yeah, you're not patient. I know that for without it. I hate waiting. What's gonna happen? Let's like let's get to it. Like, why isn't this solved already? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:21

Why did this problem take you an hour? It should have taken you five minutes. Yes, yes, yes. Or my favorite, just you start teaching employees, and it's like, oh my god, I could have done this like three hours ago by myself. I have to bear through teaching them. It's tough.

SPEAKER_00 49:34

Yes, but so that's what I'm saying. You have to learn to change certain things about yourself to be a successful entrepreneur. I what you just said, I learned. I stopped that. I used to do that. Oh, dude, I could have this myself. I got teachers, but I started thinking along with it.

SPEAKER_02 49:47

If you teach it, it's still it's still bothering you. You learn to do it, but it's still bothering you because you bought a move. So, right? So, what do you do? You hire people to do that for you. Yeah, but it costs it, see, but then Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on. I hire people to be that person and to treat my employees and guide them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you do in a marriage? You marry the person that could tell take care of all of this. Same thing, you're hiring an employer to do it, or you're marrying the person to do it.

SPEAKER_00 50:16

Okay, okay. I was damn good. You're right. I just thought of that. Okay, you're right, you're right, you're right. Um yeah, damn, you're right. I just thought about it. Yeah, you're right. But at the I think an entrepreneur that learns to gain patience is incredible. Incredible. Of course. But it's the hardest attribute to gain as an entrepreneur. It's patient, and you will lose if you don't get it. Bro, I want to stop everything instantaneously, and it's really tough for me to sit back and it's a good thing, but at the same time, you you'll lose out if you're not patient in a lot of areas, man. And and and uh marriage and any type of relationship goes hand in hand with business. Business taught me how to strengthen certain relationships, man. Big time. You lose people all the time if you're not patient.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

But think about how many friends entrepreneurs have. Very little to none.

SPEAKER_00 51:05

But it's like the storetaly, the reason why they have no friends is because as a to be a successful entrepreneur, you have to hone in, man.

SPEAKER_02 51:10

Yeah, and look how many have successful marriages.

SPEAKER_00 51:12

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_02 51:13

They don't?

SPEAKER_00 51:15

The ones that are truly But but here's the thing though, Ant. What are you willing to trade?

SPEAKER_02 51:20

I'm never trading my wife.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

No, no, that's fine. But I'm saying this, yes or no? Are there some entrepreneurs that traded everything for the success? I want Tesla to be the greatest company mankind. Right? All family marriages he has had. So you gotta ask yourself as an entrepreneur, Anthony, what are you willing to trade? Will you miss your son's birthday? Yes or no? At any for any circumstances. No, no, no. You won't. Okay. You and I just family is important to me.

SPEAKER_02 51:46

Okay. More especially like family in my own personal life. Like my wife and my kids is the most important thing to me in the world. And I want to be there as a dad. I started a business for independence to be there. I am okay, and which is why I work a lot of hours in the beginning prior to having kids, which is what I always said. I'm gonna work 80 hours a week because I don't want to have kids, and I know when they're old enough that they know I'm not around, that's when I have to be around.

Final Takeaways And A Listener Request

SPEAKER_00 52:14

Bingo, that makes sense. Guys, this is goddamn Anthony and I can go on. I had something else to say. We're gonna extend it. Phenomenal episode. Anthony, close off us. Thank you so much for bringing this uh topic to the forefront. And yeah, I loved it.

SPEAKER_02 52:25

Yeah, thank you guys for listening. Listen, I want a divorce attorney here. I want somebody who sits down with people and figure out why they get divorced and how to prevent it. Because I think those people hear it every single day can truly understand how to do it. So if you know one, if you are one, I want to have you on the show.

SPEAKER_00 52:44

I would love that.

SPEAKER_02 52:45

And if you know someone that's married or going through tough times, send this to them. I uh hope it's eye opening. Don't forget, like, subscribe, share. See you next time. Catch you. Peace.