He believes losing is totally fine! Is it?

Two brothers working under the same roof sounds simple… until you hear what actually powers it. On this episode of The Anthony Amen Show, Anthony talks with guests Devin and Tyler about the shared family code that shaped who they are today—built on hard work, consistency, and refusing to quit on yourself.

Anthony dives into the defining moments that influenced them, from watching their dad come home exhausted and still show up for his kids, to how that example became the standard they now carry into personal training, coaching, and everyday life. If you care about mindset, discipline, leadership, and building confidence through effort, this conversation hits fast.

He also gets into the tough conversations people usually avoid. Is being “selfish” always a bad thing, or can it be the responsible choice when protecting your family and setting priorities? Who really comes first when you’re balancing a spouse, kids, siblings, and parents—and how does that shift over time? The conversation also explores competition and happiness, what it means to hate losing, why the process matters more than the outcome, and how to raise kids in sports without teaching them to fear failure or chase empty validation.

Bringing it back to gym culture and coaching quality, Anthony Amen breaks down what “client first” actually means in fitness, why education will always beat trendy workouts, and how great teams are built by protecting standards before chasing growth. Whether you’re a trainer, athlete, or just trying to get stronger without wasting time, you’ll hear what truly separates quality from noise.

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Transcript

Brothers On The Same Team

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hey guys, I'm Anthony Eamon, and we got another episode with current employees on. And you'll notice today we have two of them. They're tight, I know. That's because Devin and Tyler are actually brothers and they both ended up working here. So not only we're really excited to have both of them on, I am way more excited to redo Devin's episode. Directly because we did one, had some audio issues, but now with the new team, things are rocking and rolling. So without further ado, why don't we just introduce ourselves? Devin, technically. Yeah, thank you so much for having me on.

How They Both Got Hired

SPEAKER_04 0:33

I am Devin. Uh I've been working here for quite some time. Somehow it feels like an eternity. It's only been uh a couple years since like 2023. How that affect on people? That's exactly it. That's exactly what I was thinking. Uh I came here like fresh out of college and I've had many a title change. Almost like a consistent job, but I've had many titles. It's been pretty good. Is that exciting to have? Uh yeah, it's it definitely keeps me interested and uh mentally engaged when things are uh you know growing and shifting and changing. It's been very interesting and entertaining. Hey man, Tyler. I'm Tyler. Uh I just started working here in January. But I don't know, a lot of years so far. I don't have as long of a story as this guy, but you never had him title figures? No, no title changes yet. No titles. All right, yeah. But it's common. Oh, oh, okay. All right. One day, hopefully.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

I wish so.

SPEAKER_02 1:28

I want to talk about the overarching subject, which is what I find the most interesting about this, is you both work here.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

So how many siblings are there?

SPEAKER_01 1:38

It's four. Yeah, four of us.

SPEAKER_02 1:39

And you two were what? They do a middle round. You're both in the middle, and the oldest is a brother, right? And the other is a sister. Sister. Yeah. How did you both end up here?

SPEAKER_04 1:49

You want to start? You want to meet? Uh I mean how I ended up here is a little, I think a little more straightforward. I always look up to my brother. Both of them, but this guy especially, we were a little closer in age. Uh he was a great role model. And then he started working here. I was always into fitness. He kind of got me into that a little bit. I loved working out. I loved learning as much as I could about it, learning about the body. And he told me how great it was here. And then he was like, hey, we need people to come in and work out. I was like, oh no, I'll give it a try. And then since I've started here, I've really got a lot of people. How old far apart are you guys were four years?

SPEAKER_02 2:22

Three and a half. So age in grade school, you were four year four grades apart?

SPEAKER_04 2:28

Yeah, yeah. We were never like in the same school at the same time. Always. And why do you look out to him? Uh because he's got a a lot of qualities that I would want to have. So Boing us. Uh he's very hardworking. He's very kind and very thoughtful for other people. And he's like all around just one of the best people I know. I could reiterate my best man speech I gave at his wedding. But sweet car. He's great. He's great.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

And what age do you start looking up to?

SPEAKER_04 2:56

Or was it always I'd say as I got a little older, closer to like middle school and high school, I started to appreciate more. Because when you're younger, you're not really thinking about those things. So as soon as I was old enough to start thinking about like who I want to be and what I want to do, it was like I started looking up to my both my both my brothers, but since he's here, I'll give him all the credit. I appreciate And then uh I'd answer, yeah, but also my dad, too. Um I got a tea. We're both just like Did those traits resonate to your father? 100%.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Yeah, oh yeah. And then what about specifically those traits that you say that's exactly what I want? Like why, why hardworking or why trustworthy? Or why is that it well why are those things relevant in your life?

SPEAKER_04 3:37

We're both just like the yeah, we're saying we are exactly like uh I've always wanted those qualities because I respected them in other people. When I saw someone working hard, I was like, that is awesome. That's what I want to do. I respected it, I appreciated it. It just shows that you care, and I wanted to show that I care.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

So those traits show that someone cares?

SPEAKER_04 3:56

Yeah. If you're am I digital? Yeah, if you're hardworking at something, that means you're passionate, you care, you want to be better, you want to do your best, and that's what I wanted to do. You can't control if you're talented. Yeah, you can't control how tall you are, you can't control how good you are at something, but you can control how poorly I work. Did you have those same uh verbs described to your father? 100%. 100%. Yeah, he's the hardest working guy I know. And uh, you know, you grow up and you watch him leave to work and then come home from work, beat up every time, and then still make the time for you. Every time there's like something to do at the house, something's going wrong, he's grinding through it, he's helping out everybody in the neighborhood. Anyone who has a problem, they're calling him and it's like, oh, maybe I want to be exactly like that. Just be a good, hardworking person. You know, I guess it's uh it's a really admirable trait.

SPEAKER_03 4:44

I appreciate that you say that about me. Thanks, man.

SPEAKER_04 4:47

I just feel like I was glazing you there for a bit. I was thinking I was saying, I was thinking, man, this is going well.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

I think what's most intriguing about this, because your relationship with Devin actually distends from both of your relationships to your father.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Definitely.

Dad As The Blueprint

SPEAKER_02 5:01

You find that kind of figure to be someone you aspire to be. Yes. So what has your father done, and what's some memory you have of him that said, Oh, I want to be like that? Because there's m millions of treats out there.

SPEAKER_04 5:14

Yeah, I feel like it's hard to pinpoint one specific moment because uh it's more like an overarching thing. Like he's been consistent our entire lives. Uh one moment would probably be, it's even hard to think of one, but like a thing that would happen maybe on multiple occasions is we would be outside either like playing basketball or jumping on the trampoline, and my dad would come home from a long day of work, absolutely just like broken and beat up, and we would ask him to play, and somehow he would still get out and play. You would come out to the basketball court or come onto the trampoline and jump around with us until we were tired. And it just like you think about it as an adult right now. I'm like, I know exactly what that guy was going through, and he came home from like a 12-hour shit, and he's still showing up and playing. It's like that's uh that stuff's not easy. You know what that's about. It's hard to do. It's hard to do.

SPEAKER_02 6:03

I want to you to reflect on something. Or I think this is important, yeah. So I'm not to reflect. It's great, you'll love this. Dad's out 12 hours a day, right? So there's two ways to look at that. You can say dad's out 12 hours a day, comes home and play with us, and that's great, he's hardworking and admire them. Or why hasn't dad found more time to be home?

SPEAKER_04 6:26

Yeah, I'd say I'd like to. Why? I think if my dad would come home and he was just like a kind of a bum, then I would be like, I don't know, that's God's never home. He's always out, you know. But I only ever saw him in a positive light. So like anything he would do, I would frame it like, oh, that's awesome that he's doing that. I would never see my father in a negative light on anything. So say even if he was home all the time, I would probably be like, Man, I love that he's home all the time making the you know the time for us. Yeah, I mean, when he when he comes home and you can see it in his face that he's tired and that like all his clothes smell like oil because he does like he was working like the HRAC. So like you don't think like, man, he's not doing anything at work. Like uh he's working hard. He's coming home, he's got the burns on him and scrapes and things. You're like, okay. He's Do you remember going to the hospital to visit all you? I don't know how old you were at the time. Yeah. He came home. No, he didn't come home. He went straight to the hospital covered in like second and third degree burns everywhere. Uh his face was all burnt out, body all burnt up. We had to go and visit him in the hospital in the city like four days in a row because he was just so beat up. And uh even when we would go to Cena, I was smiles, excited to see us. You know, it's on a uh you was working on a boiler and uh something went wrong and all the hot it wasn't even hot water there. It was yeah, it was an oil that came out. You missed in a blowtorch at the time and it caught the oil on fire and it got on.

SPEAKER_03 7:42

Yeah, yeah, you got burnt, but uh and uh hey, that's what happens when you're working hard on dangerous shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:49

Doesn't happen to us here in reef fitness, but you what? I dropped a couple plates somehow.

Effort Versus Leverage

SPEAKER_02 7:53

What did your dad taught you on a work case aspect? Like, how do you aspire do better? Is it just show up, put your head down and go, or is it learning how to leverage scenarios in order to do more?

SPEAKER_04 8:07

I've never thought about leveraging scenario. Uh my dad's kind of like somebody who's more like an honest, like you go in, you do your best, you work as hard as you can, and that's and that's it. Yeah, do what do you appreciate it? Yeah, exactly. You you just show up and you put the effort in. Even in school, like if we were struggling, struggling in school, he'd be like, if you just told your teacher how hard you tried and you showed them that you're trying, like they'll get it. And maybe they didn't get it because the teachers aren't the best, but that was what he was instilling in us.

SPEAKER_02 8:33

Does trying hard matter? 100%.

SPEAKER_04 8:35

Why? Uh well again, that's the only thing you could control. Yeah, like when I was in charge of hiring here and interviewing and getting new people in, you could tell when somebody's not trying. And that's the one thing that would piss me off. I'm a very like calm and even cueled person. When you get somebody who doesn't care, not trying, it's like uh I want nothing to do with them. I don't want them anywhere near this. Uh it's just when instantly put a bad taste in my mouth.

SPEAKER_02 8:59

I'm gonna give you a melody. You're a mountain. You have a rock. You can try hard and go try to push that rock up that mountain. I'm getting that rock up. I'm getting the rock up there. Right, you're pushing, you're grinding, it going. Yeah. The other guy leaves, goes, gets a machine, yeah, and moves the rock up the mountain and ends up beating you up. Are you pissed off with that guy for doing that?

SPEAKER_04 9:19

No. Nah. I mean, if I had the resources to go get that pristine, I would do it. But if I can, I'm gonna push that rock as hard as I can get up. We went to the same school for the same thing, and one of our professors, I'm pretty sure he did the same thing with you, uh, talked about how there's this marathon that happens in the desert. Like, and it's like an ultramarathon, people don't finish, and there's and he asked everybody in the class, he was like, raise your hand if you think you would finish. And I was the only person that raised my hand on our class. I was also the only cursed place man. Nobody was like, but in my mind, it's like if there's a task in front of me, I'm gonna fucking get it done. It doesn't matter what's going on. And I think like maybe somebody else in the class would be like, Oh, I would just get a motorcycle. I'd be like, Well, fuck you, nerd. Oh, but you and I ran the right way. Uh yeah, yeah. Whereas the hard work is more admirable than the outcome, I think. He asked me, he was like, You run all the time? And I was like, no, not really. He was like, And everyone's like, You're not gonna do it. I was like, no, you don't get it. Like I'm measured, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna get through it.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

What goes through your head then if you're doing something like that? Let's say you're in that desert, you're running. What's why do you why are you finishing? What's that thought? Because I have to. Why? Because I said I would I don't know, I said I would.

SPEAKER_04 10:24

Why is that important? Because I'm not gonna lie to myself. Why does lying to yourself matter? Because if you're lying to yourself, then I don't even know. What is that? Be or you're in the person at that point, what's going on? You gotta have something to fall back on. If you're not uh honest with yourself, then you're just bloating through life. You don't know who you are. What's the point? I remember growing up with Tyler, we would play uh, we were very competitive people. We play like sports in the backyard or something. And it doesn't matter how down Tyler is or how beat Tyler is with wrestling or whatever, I'm like choking him out, he's near death. He's I'm like, are you gonna just say you quit? And he's like, I'll never say I quit. Yeah, and that's some sick shit. It's how it's twisted. Yo, our cousin had me about a blackout. Yeah. I was like, dude, just tap. I was like, I was like eight. You don't need to. I didn't. I was always felt I've always felt the same way. Yeah, I would see it in him, and I was like, that's so sick. When you see like something that you care so much about reflected in somebody else, it's like, oh, it's such a cool damn. That was my whole thing when I played college sports, but it's just how hard I worked. Even like in any sport, I was never the fastest or the strongest or the best at like anything. But it didn't matter. I was gonna go out there and work harder than anyone else on the team. Vomiting at practice, passing out of practice, doesn't matter to that all the time. I was not in. Yeah, I've been training my desk, so it doesn't matter. We'd be running perimeters and it's like I don't care what's going on, the first one to get that. Even if I was garbage, I'm still at least working harder than everybody else. I didn't count the amount of times I didn't come in first in the spring because it pissed me off. I don't remember all of them in practice. I remember every single one. It happened six times. In college, yeah. This is an interesting carcass for you, because you ain't had to talk that much, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:56

No, this is great. I just I'm smiling a little bit because Tyler just contradicted himself and I love it.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

What I could contradict.

SPEAKER_02 12:05

Pre-show. We were talking about who you prefer since you fill this first. Correct? Yeah. Right. When I gave out the example of running to the desert, yeah, and I asked you what would push you to the finish line so you don't want to lie to yourself. Yeah. Put push you putting yourself forward to make sure you finish something is more important than anything in the world. So theoretically, you're putting yourself first, which would make yourself a better person in general.

SPEAKER_04 12:34

I could tell you in Tyler's mind, putting others first is a trait of himself and he values.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

Correct. So a reflection on himself has only a reflection to others. You're doing things for yourself. Yeah. Well, which is good. That's a good treat to have. That's not a bad that's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 12:49

I would say, not to speak for Tyler, but I have a very similar view on this. And it's like a core part of my personal identity is that I put others first and I'll sacrifice for others. Right. And it's like, is it selfish for me to do that because it fulfills sorry to download this? Yeah, I don't I don't think so. No. You know, I mean, maybe someone could argue that in some philosophical sense, but we do to get hell out. Yeah, you you were like, well, if you're doing it for you, then it's selfish. You're body wearing it to make yourself the eye, but you're slowly bodyweighing something for somebody else. You know what I mean? But then you're why is selfish back? It depends on the context. Crowd. So is selfish inherently bad? Depends how you do it. Like it's not like inherently bad, but definitely I think on how selfish, yeah, or for sure. Like if you're using other people for your gain, I would say that's bad. But if like you're putting yourself first over putting someone else ahead of you, that's different. Let me ask you a question. You're interviewing somebody, you have a question on the interview test. Are you selfish? You want the people that say no, or you want the people that say yes? I don't want you yes or no. What the fuck? Is that wild? That is wild. What do you want them to do why the sometimes?

SPEAKER_02 13:59

Hey, I want them to understand it's not a black and white question. Yeah, but I'm definitely framing it like a black woman. Because it doesn't matter. Inherently, people look at the word selfish and they say it's Oh, you're negative. Like, why would you ever do that? But people do it all the time. If somebody came, Devin, you for those context, you have a daughter, right? Some cane sticks for and you punch the shit out of the guy and get your daughter back. Yeah. You just inflicted your selfish. That's hurt that guy. I wouldn't say I would say that's not selfish at all. Why? You just ruined that guy's life, you just punched him in the face. But yeah, before somebody else, yeah. Or you ruined his life. You know, before if you shot him for stealing your daughter, whatever, like you do, you do it, you could hurt somebody avoid being in the benefit of somebody else.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

There's always context.

SPEAKER_04 14:49

Yeah, that's true. Uh I feel like there's a lot of coming up with scenarios where selfish is good, where not being selfish is almost always good. I would say there's areas to be self-yes and areas to be selfless for sure.

Selfishness Depends On Context

SPEAKER_03 15:03

You know who you want to list.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

I wanna I want to talk about our interesting conversation. Okay, which is and I think those who relate to both of you, and I think you can both have the same answer. But it's been a deep dive in my own to life. Okay, your inner circles. So you're married, right? You're not married. No. You have kids, you don't have kids, so this is good. This is good to intertwine. Yeah. Who comes first? Your kids? Your wife? Your parents? Your siblings. What's the order of that? You first, you got loyals. Yeah, I would put my wife first.

SPEAKER_04 15:38

Why? Uh that's what we started with. I feel like you can't raise a good family if you're not putting your wife first. Uh sorry, it'd definitely be my wife first.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

Uh and then after that my daughter. And the parents of siblings is tough because I kind of view those in a similar ilk.

SPEAKER_04 15:56

Uh it's like a tier that's not. Yes, but like the same tier. I would probably put my siblings first because I feel like they would need me more, and then I'd put my parents last because I don't think they need me as much.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

So there came a situation where you're to pull away from let's say Tyler's just because he's here for Caltex. Yeah. Because it had to protect your wife. Yeah. That's something you're willing to do.

SPEAKER_04 16:18

Pull away is a hell of a term, right? Because I feel like a good and strong man can't be a good one.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Can you and your brother don't get along? They fight all the time, they big girl all the time, they don't see eye to eye and they're fighting over your attention.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

What are you at?

SPEAKER_03 16:31

First, I am grateful to now be in that position.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

Of course, yeah. We're not, obviously. Yeah, yeah. But uh I kind of think when you get married and you have a kid, that becomes your new immediate family. You know, so like if I had to cut off my personal immediate family for the benefit of now my new immediate family, I would do so. And I would hope that Tyler would do the same if it was me causing a problem with his new immediate family. I I think that's the right order to put it in. But I also think that uh strong people have heavy shoulders and they can carry a lot, they can balance a lot. And sometimes you're obviously framing this very specific or higher hypothetical, but I think I view myself as somebody who would be able to balance it all and not have to cut it out. I would never put like and like Devin in that scenario though, like if I for some reason hated his wife, as long as I didn't think she was like harming him, there's no way I'd ever Of course, but now what about for yourself the same list?

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Do we rate the thing he did?

SPEAKER_04 17:29

I probably well, m had not having a wife or kids, I would put my kids first, I think. Why? I feel like again, similar to how he felt like the siblings would need more than his parents would. I felt my kids would need me more than what about your kids over your wife? Yeah, like I think my kids would my wife is would be a fully fleshed human being. She's capable of a lot on her own. Where my kids, when they're younger, they don't. Well, my kids are 18. I mean, then at that point, the ones that become an adult, yeah, get them out of here. You know, that is probably first. But as when they're younger, it's definitely them first.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

It's really an interesting, like, philosophical point, because what the order Devin gave is theoretically correct. Theoretically, right? Everyone can have their own opinions with their own values and surfaces. But the ideology behind it is that you can always have kids. Sure. And I have two young kids, and trust me, that is hard to say. And I agree in the sense that in a dire situation, I'm saving my kids, they need me more at that scenario because they can't lit even feed themselves. But when it comes to a point they become adults, then it's a different scenario. Then I have to prioritize my wife. Because a cool frame of thought is your wife or your spouse is the only person that shows you. No one else shows you. Everyone else is forced with you.

SPEAKER_04 18:54

Yeah, but I choose him every day. Oh y'all every day. I'm trying to make him blush, it's the problem.

Who Comes First In Family

SPEAKER_02 19:03

I want to talk about another similarity I see with you guys, which I think is really interesting. A lot of people can learn from you played sports. Yeah. You played sports. You both mentioned hard work, you both mentioned running through a desert. Yeah. So things are very competitive. Competitive in an in a nature, I feel like as a society, has been pushed off and pushed out. You have a daughter, you will have kids one day, right? Hopefully. Yeah. How do you raise your kids if they're in a sport? Your daughter's playing a sport and loses. What happens?

SPEAKER_04 19:37

I personally have always viewed competition as beautiful because somebody loses. You don't get to win every time. And that's what makes it so funny. I've always said so. We have always already the best of this. We do competition in two different lenses. I always view like there is a loser, and there's just as much honor in losing as in Your daughter loses. Do you tell her good job to lose two tribes completely fine? Losing, there's no matter what in a competition, somebody's on the losing side. The beauty of it is not in the outcome, it's in the competition itself. It's in the sport, it's in the drawing and the effort. And that's that's all that matters. I it in my opinion. I don't view it through a lens of who's the winner and who's the loser. Tyler has differing opinions on this. We go back and forth on it sometimes. For myself, though, like when it comes to other people, for some reason, I don't care. Like if you win or lose, as long as you tried your best, you put all your effort out there, that's what matters. But for myself, it like losing was not like okay. I didn't like it. I hated it. Uh I didn't even really like winning that much, to be honest. I just hated losing. I didn't let But how would you raise your kids when you get to that point? Well, when exactly when it comes to other people, like as long as they're trying their best, that's what mattered. But I don't know, I never applied that to me, which is kind of contradictory. I get it. But like for everyone else, like it's okay to lose. I've told like even my own teammates after a loss, I was like, it's like you guys really tried up there, but on my shoulders, I felt like it wasn't okay. It's kind of like to me, like the emotional spectrum. Like, if you were all happy all the time, you wouldn't appreciate being happy. You gotta be down sometimes to be able to see the beauty in the happy moments. And in competition, you gotta lose sometimes to be able to appreciate win. And that's what it's all about, in my opinion. Uh, you know, I think Tyler knows that his frame of mind is not the healthiest frame. Oh, yeah, that's right. He wouldn't pass it on. Yeah, somebody else. Absolutely. I don't think it's the the the best. I mean, like, I won two conference championships. I didn't go out to celebrate either one of them. Honestly, I was happy for maybe like 30 seconds. That's the Mamba. Like we won, I was like, all right, great, we won. I was gonna fit this job's not a good thing we did the next thing. That's what Kobe did I would say. That was kind of it. Which like sucked. Like, I don't know. Well yeah, but 'cause you don't get you don't get the joy out of it, uh right. I was happy to not lose 'cause I Were you happy right before you won? Yeah. So I was probably as happy as in the middle of the game. Yeah, I was always I know.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Y'all is listening to this because he's in the room, but we had a whole conversation on happiness. Your happiest moment is the seconds before you know the act, right?

SPEAKER_04 22:08

That's a game, there's three seconds left, you're about to take the game with a shot. That's when you're your happiest. You're fucking grinding for it. So fly out the curse, right?

SPEAKER_02 22:16

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

So talk about happiness in general when it comes to raising kids, your kid loses. Yeah. Do you say, oh, it's okay next time? Or do you say, no, that means you have to try harder in order to start pushing for happiness. But do you value hard work? If you value someone, keep going, like your dad. He's going to work, he's still showing up and he's doing. There's no one cheering him on, but he's pushing. Someone taught him that.

SPEAKER_03 22:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

Someone taught him to put your head down, go, work, figure it out. And that's how you achieve happiness, is keep pushing on to the next day and raising the bar. And that's why I would say it's okay to lose. It's not about the win. Losing is okay as long as you and Alex. Sorry. I am a school and I give your daughter a percipitation trophy. How do you feel about that? Uh participation. Participation, see? English good.

SPEAKER_04 23:03

I would say I I don't really care much about participation trophies because they're not about participating either. It's about the effort. So like uh whenever I was on a team, you know, like they do the awards and shit. The award that I wanted was always either like coach's award, like the person who tried the hardest, or just like effort award. Tyler got an award like Dog of the Year, I'm pretty sure. What was the award you got? Well, no, I was I didn't get an award for that. That was just my honorary title. Honorary title. I don't know. That's what I'm talking about, bro. I like the effort to participate. It's not about participating, it's about working order than everybody else around you.

SPEAKER_02 23:37

It's not about winning or losing either. So, how does that make you feel about the status quo now? That doesn't bother me.

SPEAKER_04 23:42

I think like society can kind of do whatever they want, and I don't think it's gonna negatively really impact my daughter because it's like I've always thought she can be exposed to any idea she wants, but she'll come home, she'll talk to me about it, we'll have a conversation, we'll probably come to a pretty reasonable spot. I'm not worried about what society's doing. They can give her as many participation trophies as they want.

SPEAKER_02 24:01

I'm not gonna give red patents, tell every it's okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:03

Do it, do whatever they want. I don't know. I I don't know. I've always felt like I kind of live inside my own bubble, and whatever's going on around me is important to know about, but isn't really gonna harm me too much. You know, like I know no matter what, we're gonna be alright. Yeah. Do you agree? Yeah, I mean, I don't really care about if they're giving them out or if they're not marking things wrong.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

For your kids, if you win your kids left for you.

Kids Sports Losses And Joy

SPEAKER_04 24:24

Yeah, I think it depends on my kid and how they feel. Like if I was raising someone like me and we lost, it'd be like, okay, let's get let's work harder. Obviously, we're not doing something right. He best practice more, work on this, work on that. But if I'm raising someone who's not quite as in the same framework as I was, it's okay for you to lose. I'm not gonna let it somewhere who's like not as crazy as I was. Like I'll t I'll call it crazy. It was it doesn't make much sense. You but I'm thinking about wired. Because he hit it, yeah. I love his mindset on stuff. He is just like obviously when you're thinking that way, something's wrong. But it's like beautifully wrong. Yeah, like dude, it's like it's not wired, bro. Why is that so admirable? Because in my opinion, probably the right mindset results in more positive feelings than negative feelings, and he's getting more negative feelings than positive feelings. But there's beauty in it. I'm like, I I admire the way he's viewing this because it's like it's uh there's a lot of positive traits in there, but obviously something's wrong because it's resulting in a light, like a negative mental spiral, but it's like uh it's it's kind of awesome. Okay, so we see pausing here.

SPEAKER_03 25:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:32

Fast forward 30 years. Yeah. What's ideal? Or you women. What does the ideal of life life look for 30, 40 years from now? Tired, time in age. Old man. Sam up. Yeah, oh how would you how would you know you made it?

SPEAKER_04 25:46

Uh if my kids are happy. What does that mean? Uh they uh it literally just means that if they're coming uh they're existing in a state of more positive feelings than negative feelings, I feel as if I have succeeded and everything is okay. What about for yourself? I don't really I don't really think about myself as much. Uh yeah, I would want to be happy, I guess. I would want to be happy.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

What's that look like? What like you ever close your eyes and envision what retirement looks like?

SPEAKER_04 26:15

No. I'm probably Yeah, might know what you've had a day somewhere. Uh I'm probably in like sun forest area. Uh probably like waking up with my wife and uh I don't know where you're sitting on. We've talked about it. Yeah, I'm outside. You're on a compound in the middle of nowhere, probably sing your own food. Yeah, I don't have like all the distractions and frustrations of got the no two worlds, no TV, you got like bot bells in it. It'd be a beautiful basically go Amish when you're happy. Cop poetry. Yeah, I'm just it it'd be a beautiful existence because I could kind of tune everything out and just my bubble would be just my bubble, you know. Tyler would probably be there to come and visit me. Yeah, I'll be there.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

You just want to get rid of all the noise. Yeah, kinda. And that's how you know it's ideal for you.

SPEAKER_04 26:59

I would like that a lot. There's a lot of noise out there, mate. There's a lot of no so I like to turn it off. Well, where are you, bro? Uh I don't know. I would like to just if I do well, not all the things, but most of the things that like I'm excited about. Like if I get to travel more and I did that and I got to experience things that I want to experience, then I'm I find that I don't know. I give an example. It's like I want to go to m almost every national park. There's a couple like the one in Ohio was that one. Oh yeah, I don't want to go to that one. Or like the St. Louis Arts, I don't care about going to that one. That's technically a national park that I think is crazy. Yeah, I don't really go out here that one. Yeah, all the cool. Yeah, I want to go to all the ones that all the ones that you like see online, like this is awesome. It doesn't do it justice because I don't know. I went to Utah and I saw that in person. And I slice you won't ad like, wow, this is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

So traveling is something you inspired or yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:47

Just seeing all the beautiful things that I want to see. I think when you appreciate something so sick like that, it kind of lets you know, like, oh my problems don't matter. Exactly. It gives you a moment where nothing else matters because you see something so ranked.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

Like, well, you're like, wow, so this is what it's all about, actually. Yeah, nothing. But yeah, this is fine. Maybe my own work doesn't matter then. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:07

Yeah. Are you working up to that point? Are you just going on breaks or are you done working?

What A Good Life Looks Like

SPEAKER_04 28:14

Uh hopefully it's been while hopefully it's over the next couple years I get to do most of that. I like to experience a lot of that younger so I can do it. Probably a jiggle of some sort. Oh, God. I mean, it depends. Does that pay well? Are you it does? Maybe then I don't know as well. But yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't like to do that over the next few years. Like, I don't know. I don't really want to do that super late in life. Late in life to be able to look back on that, hang out with my kids, hopefully have grandkids, things like that. And that's that's true. I know your goals are super tangible and specific. See, that's probably why it's really really weird to hear this part of the conversation, said I feel like you know, like you're like, I want my company to do this, I want my kids to have done this, I want me to have done this, and it's like very specific and measured out, you know? Because that's how your brain is. Your brain is very actually no, never mind. Your brain is chaotic and you saw earlier, but your goals are very ordered and like functional. You think my goals are order? Yeah, for sure. They've always seemed ordered to me. You're like, I know but my what are my goals? Uh number one, you wanted 50 gyms, and then you know, maybe a hundred.

unknown 29:20

Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 29:20

How many times has that changed? That has changed a couple times.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

You know why? Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_04 29:25

So what you just want more, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

That'll doesn't make a difference. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:28

What else?

SPEAKER_02 29:29

Keep going.

SPEAKER_04 29:30

What's my goal? Uh you want statues of you across the US. And gold. You want golden Anthony statues everywhere. You want clips of Yao being like you are amazing.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

That was it. That they nailed that one.

SPEAKER_04 29:46

I feel like you wanted a a billion dollar company that is changing the world, and you want to leave uh a big measurable impact on the world. I thought your number one goal is to have people remember and have the world be changed because of it. No, no, that's the goal. Just people remember.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

Done.

SPEAKER_03 30:02

Yeah, fuck.

SPEAKER_02 30:03

A big enough impact that I leave a mark in this world. However, they may do it. They know it's crazy. It doesn't matter what it's in, what I'm doing, how it's from, how I how to quantify that, but I'm just down by my outlet.

SPEAKER_04 30:15

Which I get. I would be completely fine if I'm forgotten in two generations.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

Great, but you you want to be off-grid. Yeah. You want to be able to afford to be off-grid with your family, doing XYZ, have the time to do so. Are you not current snare? You're now. Oof. No. Okay, let's get this kind. So a young guy, how do you get from A to B?

SPEAKER_04 30:37

You need an outlet. You are definitely somebody that has that end game and you're building towards that. For me, it's like, you know how we talk about dad just putting his head down and work, and it's like, I'll just put my head down and work and somehow.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

Tyler wants to be a professional lacrosse pro player. No, I don't. But so you do. Okay. But he's practicing basketball every day. Yeah. Is that worth it? Those who practice it all the time.

SPEAKER_04 31:01

He's a multi-sport well-rounded athlete. If you're white, I'll make his the MBA instead. If you're watching this, it is more effective to be a multi-sport athlete. It prevents repetitive stress injuries. Should I redefine fitness?

SPEAKER_03 31:10

I told everybody that. Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 31:12

You're correct.

SPEAKER_02 31:12

But we card point. I do. If you're focusing on the wrong thing, it doesn't matter how hard you work on it. It doesn't make a difference.

SPEAKER_04 31:20

It's true. I would also like to add that like my endgame goals are really not that important to me. I'm kind of somebody who finds a lot of beauty in the day-to-day and the mundane and just like coming home, seeing my daughter. Like to me, like endgame already accomplished. Coming home, kissing my wife, endgame already accomplished. My my goals are just like you're asking me to pick them. So that's probably what I would say. But I don't like sit and dream of that. I sit and dream of like the next day. Or you know what I'm saying? Like I find a lot of beauty in the simple things. That's what I like.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

So there's no not really. Not really. You're happy where you're currently live, where you're currently doing.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

Yeah, I'm happy putting the work in. I like working. I like uh seeing my family. I like seeing my friends. I like uh smiling with them. I like laughing. You know, that's like those things are like, wow, it's it's amazing. I've accomplished everything I have set out to accomplish. My bank account could be negative, my shit could be crumbling. It's like I'm still doing pretty good. This is where I'm at. I still got made it better if that's not everything. You don't feel that way. I mean, I don't know. I like making I I like to think about my days like how many people did I make happy? Do I make them laugh? How many like when I come into work, for example, how many times do I make my client feel good?

SPEAKER_02 32:37

If you're under 50, dead broke on the street with no family, no kids, are you happy?

SPEAKER_04 32:43

Well, how many people did I impact along the way? Did I make a lot of people happy? Did I make a lot of people laugh? Did I did I try my best throughout the way, or did I just give up and that's how I ended there? That's kind of more what matters to you. Oh Matt, I wouldn't say that. I would say that, yeah, oh, he agrees, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

But what if scenario one? Yeah, you tried hard, you ended up dead broke on the street, couldn't help any more people. But the scenario two, maybe helped slightly less people at the beginning, prioritize yourself and then you can help more people later in life.

SPEAKER_04 33:13

I will tell you, I will never end up 50 years old, dead broke and on the street. So like those two are I will not that won't let that happen. It's I'll work 80 hours a week doing whatever. I'll go work and my very happy and I'll live in the cheapest house possible and the cheapest uh apartment that I can happy about. Well, man, I'm just not gonna end up in like in that scenario. And then throughout my day today, I'll make my co-workers and work it went happy. And then I'll just try to appreciate it. So how do we make Tyler happy? By doing that. That's a good question. I don't know if there is an answer to the by doing that, and then you know, I will go from there. Yeah. I would say, like, you know, when I started uh buying the house with my wife, she was like, what if we can't afford it? I'm like, I will figure it out. It doesn't matter. I'll figure it out. I'll go out there and sell my fucking anything. Uh I might start selling peep cakes if I have to. Hey, if you're interested. Yes, sir. But like I really like it, uh it doesn't matter. Like the failure is not even in my mind because I'm gonna figure it out. Absolutely. I've yeah, we just allow me. The problem that being him are too similar, right? Where we're just letting you have what's so different. And he's like, screw it, man. We'll do whatever. That's gonna get one. It's not gonna happen. So like that's why you phrase that drive different both of you are different drives.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

You don't you see that? Yeah, probably. But we got the same drive. Even if you're going for different outcomes, you're driving on different things, you might have a lot of overlap of similarity because you grew up in the same household with the same ideology, but you're two two totally different beef.

SPEAKER_04 34:40

We got different cars but the same engine. Oh wow. Look at this guy. Where'd you get that? What Instagram post you get that one? I met that already. No, you did. He pointed out one some some Twitter account you followed. Got that boasting yesterday. I'm a poet by nature. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Dude, I write poetry. Yeah, oh I'm a wordsmith for real. Oh smare. So this guy's so humble. He's the humblest guy. He's so happy. He's just the the humblest, most modest person you'll ever meet.

SPEAKER_01 35:11

I was thinking that somebody said it.

Goals Versus Daily Gratitude

SPEAKER_02 35:15

I I know you said don't bring us up. Oh no. But you both said it so many times, you just want to make other people happy. Yeah. Yeah. Is that why you do your podcast? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 35:29

That's why I do it. Well, no. The one I guess you for a lot. The biggest reason I do it is I like spending time with my two brands. I should say that's exactly that's the bigger use in my spend time doing. But is there a lot of time where we have where it's like, okay, it's built in no matter what's going on in our lives, like we had this time we're gonna go see each other. You know what's crazy? We recorded like 50 episodes out of four. Yeah, it's like, oh wait, I'll say anything. We were just getting together and talking. We didn't even have to record. No. Yeah. They weren't getting we did record them and then this guy run out of money and I deleted. Yeah. So like it was just we had this set time where no matter what we're getting together, we're gonna do this, and then we'll post out there, and if people enjoy it, that's awesome. That's probably the biggest reason. I mean, I've heard so many people tell me, like, you need to have two things going on. You can't just have one thing, you know, like you don't want all your eggs in one basket. You work, you work two jobs, or you had a side job or a side business or something, and it's like, all right, if everybody's doing two things, I guess I'll do two things also.

SPEAKER_02 36:26

Don't you think that's counterintuitive? Yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 36:31

Yeah, the world all the existing spirit-free launch. Come on, you gotta finish this whole saying you gotta finish the free. I think the world exists in contradictions, you know. Do you think you exist with no contradictions? Me personally? Yeah. Oh, that's super contradiction. No side nations over there. But it's how I'm looking at them.

SPEAKER_02 36:48

The I the side of fiction have all the sun. If you could tell, yeah, that's how I think like it's fine. Here's a contradiction. You know one of the one of the big reasons I do this podcast? Do you want to guess? No.

SPEAKER_04 37:02

I don't even have a guess. I feel like if you had asked me before the the middle of this conversation why you do the podcast, I would say uh it's probably good marketing for the business. This is the opposite of good marketing for the business. This right now, yeah. So in the bad size of both of us, we're reversing the marketing.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

If this was good marketing, if it's the redefined fitness podcast, and then it'd be just about fitness. If we're publicly traded, stock is going down. That's it.

SPEAKER_04 37:34

Oh my Tyler Bow on there. Look at that guy. And we're like, that guy's looking too good.

SPEAKER_02 37:40

Some development for myself. I want to learn. Because I also learned myself talking to other people.

SPEAKER_04 37:45

Sure it does. Sure it does. I'm sure you're learning something about me sitting here. So it's learning. I think uh yeah, iron sharpens iron in a way. And if you're sitting down and having conversations with a lot of smart people, you're just gonna become a smarter person over time.

SPEAKER_03 37:58

You better become the average of the person you hang out with. Indeed. And thank god we spend so much time together. You know, give me a little phone call.

Why Anthony Keeps Podcasting

SPEAKER_02 38:06

I do want to talk about here specifically. I don't know if we're enough a lot of different engines. Sure, we should I'd say So Tyler, what do you think as a company we do really well?

SPEAKER_04 38:18

Uh putting the clients first and putting their health first. What does that mean? Like caring about each client individually, uh wanting to take a look at what is bothering them and find the root cause of that instead of just like putting through some generic workout that is like okay, but it's not gonna help them feel better. Like that's what uh at least what I care about the most is like making sure that everyone by the time they're done, not just maybe not just in one session, but over time they feel better in their day-to-day and the issues that they think they have were kind of not fixed because some things can't be fixed, but at least moving in what direction.

SPEAKER_02 38:53

And what do you think you bring to the company that we didn't have before here?

SPEAKER_04 38:57

Uh I think my sparkling personality. That's what I bring to the table. I'd agree. Uh and not that it doesn't exist, but I definitely have the drive to o like keep getting better and staying up to date on all the newest information. Like I had kind of little little time, like little free time in my life, and I'm still reading studies on supplements and I'm reading studies on exercise and what's actually best for this. And I'm constantly researching things. Any issue my clients have you I think I know it, I look it up again just to redouble check. Okay, make sure I'm not getting anything wrong. I'm always just I'm trying to be on top of that all the time. I would say nine times out of ten that Tyler's in the room. He's the hardest worker in the room. Well, what did you think, Keter Brandy, where you're coming over with this? And that's exactly it. You're the one who got on the job here. I brought Tyler on a couple jobs, if we're being real. Oh, yeah. I follow this guy around almost like a little duckling, and he's like the mama duck. Yeah, or singing mom of you.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

You know how hard it is to bring a sibling onto a job? I love working with Tyler. Because I know no matter what, he's not gonna let me down or disappoint. But that's why most people don't do it. Yeah. Because they're afraid they're gonna be let down. It's a reflection on yourself. Tyler's not good.

SPEAKER_04 40:06

I don't have to even worry about it. Like I said, Tyler's in the room, odds are he's the hardest working person in that room. So I'm never nervous bringing Tyler on. He's like uh, he's got like uh my my partner in a way, you know. I just like having him with me because it's like at least I got somebody else that's gonna put in the same amount of effort I'm gonna put in. You know, it's like at least now there's two of me basically is what it feels like. It's like now we got somebody else grinding. It's nice. I am happy that you are not my like manager at the moment because I feel like you'd be less willing, you'd be like too worried about putting too much on my plate. Um we're like, I want too much on my plate.

SPEAKER_02 40:41

Can I tell you a story I wasn't supposed to tell you? All right. Devin pulled me aside when we first hired you and said, please don't work Tyler too hard. He's gonna take on everything and burn out, and it's gonna ruin him.

SPEAKER_04 40:53

That's what I but like I says. For some reason, I love that. Tyler doesn't say no. Like I wanna, like, it's so weird, right? I it's it's gonna sound really weird, but I'd love to suffer, kind of, right? I wanna feel entirely burnt out, get up and still do it and do it better than people who aren't burnt out. I love that feeling.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

Well, if Kevin, let me finish the conversation. My thought was I don't care I'm doing it anyway. Because I want to see that.

SPEAKER_04 41:19

Yeah. Like I wanna feel burnt out, like, oh, I cannot do this anymore. Still get up, put my work clothes on, come in, or give my clients everything I have, give them the best experience they've had, make them feel better than ever, and get them out of here happy with Tyler. I would say I'm probably a little protective with Tyler because he's not very protective of himself, you know. He's like, I'll figure it out. Doesn't matter it's like if somebody's asking me to do something, he's like, I'm gonna do it. You know, so I was like, All right, I guess I'll help.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

What do you think you bring to the comedy that we don't didn't have park? Me?

SPEAKER_04 41:49

Yeah. You remember our interview? Yeah. Uh his handsomeness. At the end of the interview, you were like, Why should I hire you? And I can almost exactly what I said about Tyler. I said, I'm going to be the hardest working person you have here. Uh it doesn't matter. It was only two months after I started working here that I had risen up to the second management position. I was like, uh, I was just that set on outworking everybody else. And uh, what do I bring to the company right now? Uh I have an obsession with learning. I love to learn things. And uh I'm always learning things about here. And uh I think I do a really good job of sharing the things that I learned with everybody else that's around me. I feel like, in my humble opinion, if you're with me in a room and we're all training, that room is going to be kind of brought up a little bit because I'm there because people can turn and ask me a question or watch what I'm doing or get a feel for how hard I'm paying attention, how hard I'm locked in on this. And I think the floor kind of raises a little bit when I'm in there. I could tell you when we are home, because he currently lives at home again, but we only really talk about work. And it I could imagine pisses about our sure brothers there, but it's literally all we talk about. Yeah, this issue, you know, talk about this, you know, this, learn this.

SPEAKER_02 43:10

It's like So let me ask your question, unrelated stack. You're talking to this at home. Yeah. You must bring up conversations about what we could do better as a company, what I can do better as a leader. That maybe you haven't told me to my face.

What Makes The Gym Different

SPEAKER_04 43:24

For me, I always feel like we can get diluted. Sometimes I feel like you're a visionary man, you love progress, and I know that you love progress. And in my mind, I am not as much of a progress chaser. So we've had disagreements in the past where it's like, I always feel like you're missing the forest for the trees, you know, or the trees for the forest. Like all you're focusing on is the next step and not the current step. I'm like, we need to lock in on the people that are here right now, how we can help them greater, how we can keep our team, how we can just make what we have better. And you're like, how can we double what we have? And in my mind, It's like we need to take a small step back and focus on what we have and not doubling. You know, and that's like the disagreement. I feel like almost every meeting we would have, we're going back and forth on the same thing. It's hard to say really like what I like if there's much I disagree with because me and you don't have many conversations. Of course, we're he mostly here. I mean we talk we do target. I know some of the goals about expanding the company, right? I can kind of agree with that where it's like we're trying to expand the company when like sometimes it's good to look where we are, not perfected, but get as close to perfect as we can before moving to the next step. Yeah. My argument is you need both. Yeah, and for a while it was we were perfect, you know, but now we were in those those rooms uh for like extra context. All I do is train right now. Cause we had kind of lost a couple people, so I had to step back in training. So when there's like a room with like a big decision-making team, I feel like the voice, which was me, of like we need to lock in and make this perfect, is no longer in that room. And it's like, oh man, maybe I'll just send a little text to another meeting. Like, think me. Nothing. I don't think keep in mind what I would say here.

SPEAKER_02 45:10

It's pretty much me or me and Amanda or me again.

SPEAKER_04 45:13

Yeah, you and Amanda have very similar thoughts and very similar goals. And that's why I feel like I should like, you know, just maybe have a picture of me up on the wall. And be like, think of this. You probably wouldn't like this part. I should keep a picture of you up everywhere I go. Yeah, me too, bro. Of yourself.

SPEAKER_02 45:30

So, what makes this company unique then in your eyes? Why do you think we're gonna be successful?

SPEAKER_04 45:35

I've always liked how focused we are on the education part, the quality part. I've always liked that. I like working at a place that takes itself seriously and is like, hey, we're gonna do something, we're gonna do it better than everybody around us, and we're gonna be like top of the line. I like we achieve that. I think we achieved that for sure. I have like no doubt in my mind that somebody, any average person, would be better off coming in and training with one of us than going anywhere else nearby. They're gonna get a much better product. I remember I was talking to Tyler and he was like, well, because we were talking, we both like training athletes a little bit. And he was like, Why would uh a young athlete come here when they could go somewhere that like maybe currently is better equipped for them? Like they could have uh like a deadlift platform, some like slam wall where they can get this exercise or this exercise. And I was like, Well, because of us, like what like they don't have what we have, like they don't have you, they don't have me, they don't have Elijah, they don't have Kyle, they don't like they don't have that there uh and they they're better off spending uh if even if we're double or triple what they're getting over there, they're better off spending that because they can get the quality product here. We're not gonna hurt them, we're gonna get them the progress. They don't have us there. And that's that's what I think. I like that part about this company a lot, that we're doing shit better than everybody else. Yeah, I've learned more being geared than at college. And I go to school for pretty much this. Well, not all just from here, on my own too, but it's like mostly on my own and from here where I've learned everything. I went to school about this too. I self-taught myself at all much more. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:05

So you think it's the environment?

SPEAKER_04 47:08

I wouldn't say it's just the environment. I would say something that's been curated, you know? Like we didn't somehow stumble into an environment where everybody really cares about the product and makes shit good. Like I would say that's coming top down. Like, even I remember we would have meetings and I would just be like, well, what about this? What about the quality? And then you would reassure me, like, we are nothing without a quality product. Like that is that is what sorry, I don't know what that was. You were like, that is what that is what ALR company is, is its product. Yeah, sorry, I had like a hiccup coming. I was like, I don't want a hiccup on camera, that'd be embarrassing, so I had to hold that down. But uh, yeah, you had reassured that in the show. I was able to echo that around, and it's been an environment that we curated. It's not like an accidental environment. Of course, you know, that's what I think. I like it. I like it. Uh definitely I'd say qual I mean, I go to a this gym's like 30 minutes from where I live. So I work out at another gym often, right? That's like five minutes away. And they offer personal training there, and I'm not liking what they're doing over there for orbit. But so like honestly, the qual I think the quality is here. And I know they probably they charge like a similar price, and it's like everywhere kind of does surprise. Yeah. And it's just not as good. And it's very hard to tell.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

So highway tickets are the next step in your eyes. If you were me, where would you go? What do you mean, where would you go? Like, what I would do, I think what would you focus on for the company? For me. And then where do you belong in that seat?

Growth Without Losing Quality

SPEAKER_04 48:30

Uh well, first bar, I think I'm a very deliberate person. I would focus on getting more people of a similar like-minded mindset. Like, I would be like, okay, I really like the way these people do this. They're really locked in. I need another person just like that. And another have you respond to like, Bill, it's really hard. He'll just kind of stumble into them. I've been looking for a while, you know. Uh, I feel that we have been lucky to get a couple of people like that, you know. But I think most of my effort would be on like assuring the team, like, hey, we need to make sure every member of the team is like locked solid. And then there's like, you can only go up from there. You maybe you accidentally bring on someone who doesn't fit right, and it's like, okay, now we gotta swap this for this part. Like, I feel like you can't build the house on a crumbling foundation. And the foundation is like the really quality talent that we'd have here, and I would focus on that. Where do I fit in that? Uh, that stuff. I could be, I feel like I kind of just do whatever tasks is put in front of me, and I'd like to focus on that. So I could be either just like a member of the team that's working with everybody else, and you know, I'd try to support everybody best they can, or I could be somebody who's focusing on like the teaching part of it, or like trying to help find that talent. Like uh, I'm okay with both of those tasks. I again I just kind of do it.

SPEAKER_02 49:41

Is there not one that you see yourself five, 10, 15 years in a like that's I think both of those things are really real you love it linking me?

SPEAKER_04 49:48

I do. I well youth loves each other. I feel like if I was just like training here forever and it's been long enough, I'd probably go try to get some kind of like TA job or like a, you know, an adjunct professor job somewhere eventually. Because I really like that part of it. Like, do I have to do that here? No, I am I lucky to do that here, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:05

Is redefine your long-term play?

SPEAKER_04 50:07

Uh yeah, definitely. I haven't like updated a resume or looked anywhere in a long while. You know, I haven't really felt the need to. Uh I would say there are probably ways that it could be not my long my long-term play. Like if things started changing dramatically, or I felt like uh, you know, if there's a big change in leadership and it's like this doesn't really line up with my personal beliefs anymore, then maybe I'll be like, maybe it's time to bounce. But right now it winds up pretty well. So I would say so. And Tyler, what are you here? I think whatever position Devin's in, I would be ideally one position above that. Not much higher, just like one position above the balls you find. That's kind of that's kind of the goal there. And then that's that's kind of what I will thought. You know, the definite wherever he's at, just a little better. Yeah, ideally.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

Where do you see this company going? Where do you think you fit, honestly?

SPEAKER_04 50:57

Uh I think where with my current skill set, I'm kind of where I should be. I want to learn more and then grow from there. What does that mean grow? Like, hopefully eventually. Well, if you look at the steps we had now, it'd be I'm a trainer right now. As I get more time and more availability, I'd hope to move up to a ship lead position. And then from there, hopefully I'm able to turn into more like how Devon educates people. I would love to try to educate people. Is it management though? Is it managing people? Uh I think occasionally I'm too nice to manage people where I'm too understanding of circumstances. You think that would mean?

SPEAKER_02 51:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:33

Yeah, yeah, you do. We're like the same guy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:36

Where it's like I mean you have a we have a core value, empathy over sympathy. I think that's the yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:41

I love being sympathetic. I feel like I'm just too nice on people all the time. So, like, depending on what that management role is, I might be too nice for it. Yeah, so it would have to be like kind of one right, I don't have to be too hard. Uh picking, yeah, yeah. I think it's easy to hold yourself to the standard exotic partner to hold up. Like, I think about like when I was the uh leader on the college of cross team, it was whenever there was something that had to be done, I would just go do it. Like, okay, we need this done. All right, I'll do it. Yeah, it's like we have Yeah, it's like all these things need to happen before a game. I'm doing almost all of that. Or I'm make I'm watching everyone do it to make sure they don't mess up, which is like I know it's in the you should delegate and trust people, but for some reason because it fell on me, I trusted myself more than You can only trust yourself, unfortunately. Yeah. Unless you got a Tyler, I can trust Tyler too. We just want to manage each other.

Future Roles And Closing

SPEAKER_02 52:33

That would not go well. There'd be too many inappropriate jokes that you're both get fired. Greggil, why you've held it down? So far it's been pretty good, yeah. Have you been touched any point? I know. He's touched you three times in the show. No, well, seriously, thank you guys so much for coming on. Appreciate you doing it. I think it's so interesting to have siblings on expedition in the same pathway. Yeah. But hope to do this again, guys. Don't forget, but like, subscribe, share it to the Anthony Evan Show, and uh leave a comment to the Anthony Image Show.

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SPEAKER_00 53:16

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