Gym But Reluctantly

Not a gym rat. Not a couch potato. Somewhere uncomfortably in the middle. 😅
In this episode, Ron and I get honest about what it’s actually like to know the gym needs to be part of your life — without being obsessed with it. No extreme transformations. Just real talk about finding your middle ground.

We share what actually worked for us in getting the  gym so embedded in our lifestyle we now take it for granted🫶

If you’ve ever felt too casual for the gym girlies but too self aware to quit entirely — this one’s for you.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Is it the OTG you're looking for? Could you find the OTG?

unknown 0:09

Is it the OTG with the OTG?

SPEAKER_01 0:22

Hello and welcome to the Overthinkers Guide. John and I are here with you.

SPEAKER_00 0:27

Oh my gosh. Something definitely good.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Thanks. I'm Amber, but okay. So today we're gonna do something a little different. Well, not diffident, but like something a little different.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

I feel like we've spoken in season one.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

No. No? No. Maybe. No. Um we're not talking about the ins and outs of boys and their boy brains. Today we're talking about us and our bodies. Yeah. Yeah. Our s our sanctuaries of our bodies.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Okay. I don't know where you're going with this, but okay. Is this a different topic? Do I know?

SPEAKER_01 1:13

You know it. And and we're taking that sanctuary to another sanctuary. And that sanctuary is called the gym. Okay, yes, no, I'm on board. Okay, okay, I see. You turned it down. I turned it down. I lost myself a button there. But yeah, we're talking about gym today. And um, I know that um a lot of people would like to be gym, gym girlies, gym boys, but it's not the easiest thing. So we're talking about what gym's like for real people. Now, Donna and I have started the journey, and actually, just before we hit record, she told me a beautiful quote. Beautiful quote that changed my life and hurt my feelings equal parts. You want to share it with us?

SPEAKER_00 1:54

We told them about the disappointment pandas.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

Yeah, disappointment if you missed it. Disappointment panda is a truth that somebody tells you and you just you know you're too close to home and it's just you just have to be like, oh, okay. I I have to in absorb it. Absorb it.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Absorb it, take it in. Absorb it, take it in. Make it a part of you.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

And then just move, you know. Just move. Don't deny it. But do not push it out. Don't push it.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

So much worse. Do not deny it.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

Yeah, you know, and sometimes when Ron and I are like really up in there, we're like, listen, I'm gonna have to disappointment panic.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

It's such a cute thing, so it really helps.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

It's it softens the punch that follows.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Like if someone comes to you and they're like, oh um, can I say something crappy? Like, I I don't like, I don't I don't want to hurt your feelings, or but I'm gonna like no offense. Yeah, no, no offense. Ouch. Oh no offense. If someone comes to you, can I give you a disappointment behind that? Oh yes, please. Put it in.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

Can I have two?

SPEAKER_00 2:47

I'll take one.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

But yeah, I I did uh The Subtle Art of Giving a Fuck and it's a very good book if you want to read it. I recommend it. Uh not giving a new? The subtle fuck the subtle fuck The Subtle Fuck of not giving an art. The subtle art of not giving a fuck. That's what I said.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

Is it the subtle art of giving a fuck?

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Well that's a different but yeah, it's a good book. I would say solid nine out of eight and a half, nine out of ten. Oh wow, it's a really good one. Yeah, I love that one. It's one of my faves, yeah. I think it's it there's a lot to actually learn. And as a overthinker, as an overthinker, it just really gets up, and that's where I saw the disappointment panda thing because it really stuck with me. Because it was like vital. Yeah, like be chilled, be be chilled, and these are the truths you have to face. And can you be chilled whilst receiving it? Be okay to receive those truths.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

Yeah, yeah. Be okay with some negativity. Do you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 3:45

Truth. We say truth, positive framing.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

Be okay with some truth for positive change. But yeah. So what were we saying? I I saw this thing on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

And it felt like a disappointment panda.

SPEAKER_00 4:00

And this girl was like, uh, maybe you're not meant to be thin. And she was basically saying that if you have to put so much work into make sure that you can maintain a specific figure, that isn't your body type. It's not naturally coming to you. Like the body type where you're eating healthy and going to the gym and taking care of yourself, whatever naturally falls into that, if you've got a little bit of weight in extra pockets, that's your natural body type.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Live with it.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

Live with it. Live with it. That's you healthy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

Look, to be honest, your other option is fight against the cutting. Fight as hard as you want to, and that's fine. And it's gonna be tough. And if you're willing to do it, fine, go for it. But sometimes, you know, if you just sit back and go, This is the version of me, the universe has decided, and maybe that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

Yeah, there's nothing.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

And I think I I think Ron and I are about on our way to that because we went through our early 20s, mid-20s, don't late 20s as well.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

Well, I'm currently late twenties. I'm 30.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

Thanks for calling me like on the precipice of that. Like I'm currently late 20s. The latest. The latest. You are the end of the Cinderella slipper, the latest Chevsky moment. Okay, technically, I'm in my late 20s. No, you are, you you're right. You're right. Sorry, my bad. I'll backu. Thank you. In your late 20s. Um so mid- mid-20s, we were like we've we had upkept a very skinny figure. And uh we were tired. We were tired. We were so tired all the time. And I and I remember back then feeling so weak, which I hated feeling that weak. It was not great.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Honestly, I just thought it was my anemia.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Yeah, no, but lo and behold.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

I'm still anemic and I do not feel that way anymore.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

So Yeah, and so we had sort of at some point through this tumultuous feeling of like back and forth and arrived at the conclusion that perhaps a more athletic bolt is better, and um and being a bit more fit and muscular and toned is a better suit for health and like for the way you look, and like you know, our luckily our perceptions of beautiful changed with it, so you know that's nice. Um, so yeah, so we started our gym journey in a more strength training, yeah, yeah. But mostly like fucking cardio, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Cardio and then and then finish it off with cardio.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Oh my god, you said it so smoothly that I thought my brain was like, Yeah, I was like and then what did we do?

SPEAKER_00 6:52

Because I remember us like we would like jog up and down and left and die, and then eat donuts, and then jog up and down and left and died and we weren't very healthy because we wouldn't have to be donuts and McDonald's chips pretty much only and just jog or we I never ate vegetables. Yeah, you know, horrible, like yeah, very, very good.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

No wonder my my skin was pretty bad back then though.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

Yeah, for your skin it was bad.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

Yeah, like we were I'm my skin is a lot better now than it was. I did wear like a shorty amount of makeup. Yes, yes. And so you might think, oh, your skin looked fine on your Instag. No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

I I say for your skin also because it wasn't that bad. You know, you do have good skin. So I'm like, yeah, there were like some problems that like you don't have now, but like it wasn't like horrendous, you know. Wasn't it? No, just like you said, those little Rosetta bumps.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

Yeah, but like, what did I rash? 24-7, like come on. Yeah, like you know, you call me Dash Face in high school now. No one called me the fish. Yeah, anyway, so then you know, we started our gym journey, and um I often find in us finding our gym journey with strength training and having the pro of always being um a gym person butt based in cardio, switching over made it a lot easier.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Yeah, being active, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

Yeah, um, but I I find that like some people will come to me and be like, Oh, you know, I'll be like, oh, I I always recommend it now because at the age I'm at now, I've realized that having the strength training, a part of your lifestyle, is so beneficial for your health beyond that, and knowing uh the the information I know about women and hormones and menstrual cycles and all of that, like bone density. Bone density and all of that, like do yourself a favor if you're a girly and you just go and research it, it would change like it would just change your whole life. Like it there's so much more information now than there was back then. And knowing that and being um in the loop about it has really made me want to advocate for gym when I speak to real women. Um like like in you know, when when I'm talking to like just a everyday, I'm meeting somebody and I'm not trying to network or like do something, like I'm genuinely like not talking about on the podcast or on social media, like I'm in real life and I'm talking to people, I will always advocate for it because I know like what the benefits and physically what I've felt over the years. But I also find that people always respond in a it's tough. It's tough. Do you do you feel like it was tough for you to stick to the strength gymming versus the cardio gymming? Like to to be active and consistent.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

You know, I don't know. I don't know how honest. I've been pretty honest with you guys. Um I'm so surprised. Like, why are you saying that? Like you've you've not held back. Um I do I think one of the toughest things is um when we first started our cardio weight loss journey in our early 20s, cardio and not eating will have you lose weight really fast. And so seeing results was really quick and that helped um motivate. Yeah, you know, now I was like, oh, I could see what it was doing, and so it was a lot easier to get up and do it. But with the weight training, it's a very slow process if you're doing a low-end state. And so sometimes it can be very demotivating to look the same way for so long, even though you feel yourself putting in so much work.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

Yeah, I I think losing weight and building muscle, it's easier for me me personally to lose weight than it is for me to build muscle. So if I want to drop weight now, a lot easier for me than to ha healthily pick up muscle and keep the weight down. Because you can also dirty bulk and just pick up muscle, yeah. But which is not what we want to do either.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Just kind of like create a lifestyle of healthy habits.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

And and don't get me wrong, in no way we'd we're dying walking a tight line.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

So many cupcakes, guys.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

Yeah, we're not we're not doing like the But we also try to have vegetables every night.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

Every single night. So the cupcakes kind of even out, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

So this is why I thought, you know, what a perfect uh perspective to talk about because online, you know, being a consumer of this type of media, you find a lot of videos where it's either you are deep in the gym or you hate the gym.

SPEAKER_00 11:30

You know, it's like this you hardly ever get people that are like, you know, I'm trying my best and it's hard, and I'm just or they say that, but they fucking put already I know it took you like seven years to get that, Jack. The the discipline you had. And so it's a little bit hard sometimes to look at someone like that and be like, yeah, you get it.

SPEAKER_01 11:49

Yeah. And also like, look, I'm not saying there isn't anything, but the ma what's popping up my feed is like either you are one or the other in the further extremes, you know. And um and it is a bit tough to like watch somebody go through the journey because I mean you're just popping up on people's feeds randomly. I'm not like spending two, three years with you watching you grow. You know, you see, it's a bit difficult.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

It should be so easy. And everyone's like, oh, if you'd if you're just consistent and you do all these things, you should see the disaster. It's a trigger word for me.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Consistency is a trigger word for me.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

I'm like, you don't think I'm trying to be consistent? Who are you thinking about when all of this?

SPEAKER_01 12:29

You think I'm here right now to not be consistent? So I was sitting on my couch thinking, oh yeah, bitch, don't peek not today. Not today with the consistent, okay. God damn it. Um, but yeah, so for you, uh real struggling out there people who say, like, I want a gym, but it's so hard, yes, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

It is hard.

SPEAKER_01 12:53

It is hard, it's hard, even while you're doing it.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

Yes. Sometimes you won't make it the whole session, and that's okay. Okay, sometimes you leave it.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

It is hard, it's hard. But having gone through the process, um, would you say you are better now than you were a year and a half ago?

SPEAKER_00 13:16

Better at work. The consistency? Yes. A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

I think me too on our journey. I think we've gotten better.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

And I think I was a little nervous then when you said I was like, oh no, don't say you disagree.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

No, I disagree, Ronald. You are lying.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

Do better. Do more. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

No, I do think we we've done better. And I think um today I I I kind of want to talk about some of the things that really made an impact. And I think a few things I kind of like not made up, but like theme. Some next videos. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And none of this I got on Instagram. This is all this is all state of the dome. State of the dome. It might, hey, there might be a video out there that shares this. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

But like you didn't say that you're not sharing an opinion with someone on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

Fair, fair. But this all state of the dome. So yeah. So and I think when when I read them to you, some of it might be new, some of them you'll be like, oh yeah, 100%. That's what we used to do. Yeah, we we incorporate those types of things. Very exciting. How many points you guys? Just five. Okay. Because you you when we set up for like when we set up for something and I tell Ron, hey, bring a few points. A few to Ron is like two two pages deep. It's like, I got 20. Do you want me to slip it down and then for most of the paper? I'm trying to set up the mics and check the volume, and Ron's like, cancel this one. Can I keep it? No. I would have got five, okay. I'm sorry. No, no, that's good. Five is good.

SPEAKER_00 14:40

Five's a nice number. Rounded.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Rounded number, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Um booties after being consistent with germs.

SPEAKER_01 14:49

Yeah. Um but do you do you do you think? Sometimes sometimes I think I had the question, and I was like, if I go in confidently, will it come back to me? But it goes gone, yeah. It happens to us a lot. It does.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Mum was saying uh yesterday, she was like, Oh, she's so worried about it because she's like, she's scared she's getting dementia because Ma was her age, which is sort of losing her memory. And I was like, what are you talking about? That happens to everybody all the time. It happens to me all the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

Like I literally am like, and it's gone. That's just looking straight at you. Like, it's just a person, don't worry about it. Yeah, I think, but I'm I I suppose, hey. No. Is there is there any links to strength training and cognitive function?

SPEAKER_00 15:39

Gotta be.

SPEAKER_01 15:40

Gotta be, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:41

Gotta be.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Well, there is with creatine, which I do want to do. So Ron and I are going to take some creatine and then we're gonna do another episode. And I'm this is not like a joke. But that's what I'm thinking. Like, you know. So what we'll do is we'll do we'll do half the episode of creatine.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

I've been half and take it out, dude. I don't think it works that far. I mean Steve is like a tough thing. I just feel so small.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

Just give me water. But yeah, this is not a gym podcast, it's just there's a few things, and I think like a healthy, balanced overthinker needs this. Yeah. I think exercise. Oh, oh, do you think that st that strength training in gym has helped you in any way with your like mental anxiety or like overthinking or anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 16:29

You know, every time people say this about gym, I always I think I've I always thought about it so little, you know. Funny, Ronan. What do you mean? Why are you so little? I don't know, guys. Because she's autistic. We know Donald. Thanks. Um, but yeah, every time people would be like, oh, gemming has this um an effect on like your mental health. I I always assume that like, oh, that must mean that I must have no mental health issues. You know. No mental health.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

And then it must mean I have no mental health because it fucking helps.

unknown 17:08

No.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

So I always assume that if it's helping, I should be mentally healthy.

SPEAKER_01 17:14

Okay. I don't understand. Like you're saying that okay, get go to the that's my point.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Okay, wait, let me say it. When people say that, like, oh, germing helps my mental health. Yes, I always wonder, is it not helping mine? Because I still have mental health problems. But that's not the case. And so thinking about it less literally, okay. So you thought if I gym, it will take any mental health issue. And if it doesn't, then I'm not having those effects.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

But or having those problems.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

Having no the effects of the gym helping my mental health problem. This is getting complicated. Look, okay, what I'm trying to say is yes, I do feel like it had a positive effect. You nuts. Sometimes. Sometimes I wonder if you guys can actually follow what we're saying. Or if it's just a jumble of words, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

I'm on a knife's edge trying to understand us as well. So I don't blame you. Just take it as if we end the episodes and we're like, what were we talking about? Did that make any sense? Just take it word for word, ladies and gentlemen, word for word.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

But yes, I I do think it's helped. Yes. I think um Me too. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I I think that with the anxiety, it's nice to have a physical outlet. And I think particularly with the weight training, it's like when we were doing the boxing, the boxing really helped me because I I get I've got a bit of an anger issue and I get really pent up sometimes. So sometimes it's nice to have a tired body because it almost feels like it's easier for your mind to relax when you're not so pent up. I I have an overactive mind, so that I tend to have like if I have too much energy to think things.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

So the exact same thing helps me.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Yeah, like you're tired yourself out by like doing a good thing, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

I also think like for me it's helped with like feeling um adequate in control.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

Yes, yes, in some way yes, capable like uh it's made me feel like I can be um consistent with something. Yes, I know sorry to use a trigger word because I know that we have our bad days, but I think when I think back and I think about how long we've been germing in whatever capacity for, it makes me feel like I am capable of doing something that's good for myself, even if it's not always fun, and that makes me feel like I'm capable of doing things that are hard, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

I saw this thing like um God Bruce Lee's daughter wrote this book, and I think it's in there. And Bruce Lee was like the most determined mother effort on this planet. Like he I think of human, I think drive. Yeah. And um I'm not remotely the most like not even no one is Bruce Lee.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Don't feel bad about it.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

A little bit like fuck, I am uh an island away from that man in terms of that. And um I was she she was saying, like, like if you give on the like I don't know if it's a principal honesty, and now that I'm thinking about might have been a different book, but whatever. I'm I'm going in deep. Shannon, I think this was Shannon Lee, just in case Shannon Lee. Wow, interesting Bruce Shannon. I think there was a brother, I'm not sure what he's it's not Asian family names. Um, yeah, but so if you like let yourself down in the little things, you're gonna let yourself down in the big things. So if you and I think this is such a perfect place to practice that, if you're you know saying like I'm gonna do 10 squats, and you let yourself, you're the per you're the type of person that lets himself down in 10 squats. Yes. And so you finish that 10 squats. And the type of resilience and mind power you have to have to drag yourself to the 10th squat helps you in everyday life. Yes. It helps you because you out there and you like, I can do it, I can do it. I can't I can fucking if I can pick myself up from nine squats when my legs were shaking and I was broken, I can do it now. My body felt like it was good shaking. And so I won't cry in front of this lady when she's telling me I'm this and that and that. I will I'll keep it together. This is my 10th squat.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

I will also say that that whole like, you know, when you're doing something, and they always say, like, when you're jamming, if you don't do it properly, you're only kidding yourself. Yeah. You know, so you're like, oh yeah, I'm gonna do these 10 squats and I'm gonna do them fast, and my form's gonna be clappy. But I did the 10 squats. Yeah. You know, but if you didn't do it. Cheating yourself. You're only cheating yourself. And so it's helped with that slowing down. And it's not just doing things for the sake of doing it. It's learning to take the time to do it properly.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

And that type of like so I don't know, it's a Bruce Lee episode. So Bruce Lee. So a lot of people think of Bruce Lee and they're like, oh, he's this amazing physical fighter. Um, you know, but he's actually quite the philosopher. He had he wrote a lot of.

SPEAKER_00 22:24

Tell me anything about Imam. I can do whatever the fuck. I've seen those talks with him.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

He he studied um at a university and he's really big in like to philosophy, and so he wrote a bit quite a bit about it. But he was trying to combine the two of like bringing his philosophy in through like a lot of his practices and be like water is like tying in his philosophy with physical movement. And he understood a lot of the world through that physical movement. And I'm like, Yes, because sometimes physical movement is like the thing you need to dumb down. You know, you you if I can do it with my body, I can go out and do it in complex situations.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

You know, and so it's such a crazy.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

It's it is a it is a people underestimate how powerful the lesson can be to learn it with yourself and your body and movement, and then go out and take that complex thought and go, that simple thought and put it in a complex situation and see, ah, now I can practice determination, which is vague to understand when I'm working with people in a business that's in a world that's you know with computers and stuff like that. But when I was practicing determination with myself in this one bar, it was easy, and now I can go out and do it in a complex situation.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

Interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

You know, but yeah, having said that, if you are sitting there and you're like, oh, give me, give me all of that, give me, give me some of that. I want it, I want to change, I wanna do it. Or maybe you're like, I did it once, I just couldn't, it doesn't stick, you know. My tips are hopefully gonna help you. And I think we can practice them intentionally and help it.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

Yeah, yeah, that'd be nice.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

Um be a little bit more consistent, and maybe while we're talking, we can add a few if there's something you can think of, you know.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Oh, before you start, I will I would like to disclaim with something. Oh Jim helps with a lot with mental health and you know the physicality and longer.

SPEAKER_01 24:14

It also gives you a fat ass. Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

But okay, sorry. It's not going to help your body dysmorphia. So don't go into it thinking that oh, once I start, I'm gonna feel great about myself. Be patient and be kind to yourself, okay? Because it's not helpful.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

It's not gonna fix everything, you know. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 24:36

No, I yeah, I've been hearing a lot of that now where people are like, oh, I went into gym and I was like, I felt so bad about myself, and I was expecting to see a change, and then when you don't, you stop because you're like, oh, it's not helping me feel bad about myself. But that's a different problem. So just careful.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

Yeah, no, oh yeah, for sure. I uh no matter what shape my body takes, it doesn't matter. No, it's that's not the issue.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

That's the question. What shape? What shape am I? What what do I look like?

SPEAKER_01 25:03

When is it here? Anyway, we'll talk about that in a completely different episode because it's a whole can of worms. But um the so this is my first one. So when I was younger, uh in my early 20s, there was a phrase, and I don't know if you remembered it, there was a phrase I would say because I was so tired of saying I wanted to do shit, and I just got stuck. And at the time I was razzle and dazzling it. Was it YOLO? Or was it YOLO? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was razzle and dazzling it all the time. And if you know, you know I was Razzle Dazzle. The dazzle and the dazzle and the dazzle. And I was getting lazy and I wasn't doing stuff, and I'd get, you know, I was like, I have to I have to get off like I if I say I want to do something, I gotta do it. I gotta do it. And so I made up the I made this trigger to help me jump from wanting to do something to doing it without talking myself out in between.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

So giving yourself too much time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

So I was like, if I say YOLO, I have to do it.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

The moment I hear YOLO, I'm like, oh my god, here we go. And then I have to do it in the gotta be.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Yeah, and then it practicing it so often made it like I was attached. Now when now people are like, oh YOLO, and then I have to do it, I have to go do it. Um I I made the promise to myself and it made it easier for my body to react because got used to it. So I'm gonna it's kind of the same vibe, right? Okay. So you let's say you want to go to gym. I don't know why you'd want to do this, but like at four o'clock in the afternoon. I would like so bad. Yeah, I would say for those of you who want to go to gym, do not go to gym at six. No, do not go to gym at five, six and go. Seven you can go, yeah. So you want to go seven, eight, or you want to go before that. Yeah. Anytime before that is fine. But the peakest of peak hours. Do that after work. Holy. Oh my god. So I would suggest either make your food and then go to gym afterwards. And then come home and eat. And then come home and eat, or go to gym immediately after you hit home. Yeah. And then get out of there.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Take your take your clothes to work, get them and go home to the house.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

Anyway, so let's say you pick four o'clock, which is a decent time. You are if you're lucky enough to make it there at four, it's a decent time. So you want to go to gym at four o'clock. I say pick a uh uh set an alarm for four o'clock. But no, you want to get to gym at four o'clock. So ten past four. Ten two to four, ten two four, ten to four.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

What do I have done that over from the house? Yeah, you picked it four to take you ten minutes.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Are you talking to me for specific? Well, I will yeah, do you I'm done in your call. I was like, we don't know what this person is. Okay, okay. Code to ten to four.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

I wouldn't leave ten to if I had to be there at four. I'd leave like twenty-two. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

You oh you can't think of fetching me.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

I'm gonna coach it for myself. Okay, fair. Okay, 22. You set the alarm. And it has to have a unique ding tone. Right? And alarm tone. And when you hear it, I don't give a shit what you're doing. You get up and you go. You don't think, do I wanna? Can I do it? Should I do it? When can I do it? You get up and you go and you should be moving towards the car. Yeah. And that's it. And you keep doing that every time. Don't give yourself any thought. Now, this we do, this is what helped us when we went to the gym at four o'clock in the morning. Help us for four o'clock, we were wake up. And on the days we think, should we do we don't go to the gym. On the days we get up and we don't give ourselves time.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

We don't even ask the question. We're just like morning, morning, I'm leaving now.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

That's that's the best thing you can do. From and that's what inspired that. Set an alarm when you heard it. Get the fuck out of there. Start moving. Don't think about anything because you will talk yourself out of it.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

It is hard, it's hard, it's cold. And it's easier to not go.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

It's cold and it's like, oh, it's one day, what's one day? I'll do tomorrow. Tomorrow can become eight days. It can.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Tomorrow is a very, very long road. Yeah, especially like once you've been in the routine for a while. Because that that is good advice. That is, and I I definitely think that's been helping us in the mornings. And I and I will say that there'll be a time where I'll be like, oh, we've been so good these last two weeks. Let us just not go today. But then after that day, we won't go for the next week. Because it's so much you think that, oh, you've been in a good rhythm. The one time shouldn't count that much. But it does, it does, it really stops you.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Like, and don't worry, I have a solution for all of these things. Okay.

unknown 29:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

Okay, so now that you you you're going up, right? So I think once you've passed that hurdle, because I think that's the first hurdle. Get getting there, getting there, getting there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

You know, getting yourself from once you're there, it's okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Getting yourself there. So then my next one is you're going to get to a point where you're like, okay, the hype of getting there and the the that beginning hype has faded. Yeah, the honeymoon stage faded. Now you're just like, I gotta go there again.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

It's kind of like going to a job now.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Yeah, now you're like fucking again, I gotta do this again. Okay, so now I'm like, you have positive self-talk. Right. Why did I write that? Or negative self-talk.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

Whatever works.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

Or whatever motivates you.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

No. I don't know positive self-talk, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:25

So to tell yourself good things.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Where is I going with this?

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Maybe maybe you were saying like once the the honeymoon stage is gone, you're gonna have to hype yourself more. So you're gonna have to actively engage in positive self-talk, you know? Like no. No, okay. No, no.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

I think I think this was I think this was at the gym. Okay. When you at the gym, you have to have positive self-talk. Like so, so when when Ron and I go to gym, sometimes we gym with Ethan. This is Logan's brother, my boyfriend's brother. And when Ethan comes with us, Ethan is a what's a polite word? Like I can't say what's a polite word and then say the bad word. Yes. He's a complainer. He's okay. He's a complainer. He complains.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

He just everything's like, oh, I'm gonna die. I'm gonna legs are gonna fall off. Do that. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Do not do that.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Talk yourself out of it.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

You will not want to come back.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Do not you will leave.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

There've been times when we've been like, oh my god, and then we'll be like, let's just go. And we'll just walk out because we're like, okay, I'm over it, you know?

SPEAKER_01 31:38

Like be delusional almost. Be like, I love this. This is great. One more set. I can do this. I'm doing great. Last set easy. Last set, best set. You know, there's a reason why all of those gym people, they they look hyper.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

It it it helps. It does. It really helps. At the end of it, you will feel like Yeah, it'll become natural. Yeah, because at the because at the beginning also, like this these are good tips, man. Thank you. At the beginning, when you get there, it's so hard to like. I hardly ever leave gym feeling crappy. Yeah. Because at the end of it, you do have the endorphins going, and you just you're in a good mood because you can't help but positive self talk. You know, but that beginning part is hard. So if you do that positive self-talk for the beginning, your natural instinct, your hormones will kick in and you will just be in a better mood halfway through. So it won't be that hard to do. You don't have to carry yourself the whole time.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

But if you do it at the beginning, it helped it makes it easier. It makes it, and especially when you're doing something difficult, saying, I can do it, I'm I can do it, I'm I'm really strong, I can do it. It really takes the edge of a difficult task. It it makes a huge difference. So when you go there and you're feeling anxious and you're like, I'm worried yourself. That's what you know when you walk in there and you're like, Oh, I don't know how to use machines, be like, no, what's the positive spin on that? I'm curious about it. I'm gonna try because every single person that you're looking at that you might feel a little bit self-conscious about started there. They had to start, they didn't walk into the gym with buff, they didn't just, you know, they weren't born buff and then they came into the gym and they were pulling all of it. They had to work their way up. They were you at some point. So don't worry, they're not looking back, going wow. They're going, damn, they actually look at you with like like the like a fondness of reminiscence, you know. Nostalgia, like a nostalgia of pride, of like, I know where you're gonna get it, girl. Go get it. You know what I'm saying? So don't ever worry that any that's not.

SPEAKER_00 33:30

Ask questions if you if you feel like you want to ask questions. People are fairly so free.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

They are waiting to share information. They want you to. They're like, if somebody comes to me and says, Hey, can you help me?

SPEAKER_00 33:41

So much can I? I've been waiting for the moment.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

I've been learning all this random shit and only using it on myself. So yeah, go positive self-do, go in there, take a positive spin. Don't be intimidated. It's a wonderful place. People are actually really friendly at gym, they're just pulling a mean mugfigs because it's like really difficult to love something. So they're not. So they're on their break, you know, so they yeah, like trying to get in the zone in their head, they're like, You're beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

Like, although it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

So that was my second one. Then my third one for now. This is so backtrack. This is when I'm saying, like, oh now, you know, it's getting a little bit difficult, you know, it's a little bit tougher to go, you know, the alarm's going off, you still have the habit, but like you're almost like dreading the alarm now, and then it becomes we can't be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

So you're thinking about it, so the alarm's not working as good as you can.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Do you know what I'm saying? So so so now I'm like, now what you need to do is pre-game, right? So I don't know what it is that works for you. Like, maybe um for me personally, and maybe you can share whatever it is for you. If I watch videos of people germing and teaching other people to gym, I get hyped. I'm like, I can I I like I'm like, oh yeah, oh I'm learning something because because learning something new is always interesting for me to tie. And so what I need what I usually think about what gets me hyped to want to go to gym, and you gotta look for that thing. What do you experience where you're like, oh, I want to germ now? That, whatever that is that takes you there, you gotta actively use that. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 35:08

So for me So this pre-germ, are you saying it's immediately before or just in gender the whole time?

SPEAKER_01 35:14

So once you find the the thing that motivates you, what you gotta do is I want to go to gym at four o'clock. So I got a pregame.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

Okay, so okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Pre-four o'clock. I I can't be sitting scrolling on my phone, acting like I'm not going to gym or eating a snack or going, oh, let me just watch TV because I gotta get my few. I gotta pre-game. I gotta go, I gotta watch those videos, get hyped. Yeah, I gotta watch those videos and be like, yeah, oh, I'm learning this. Oh, and I'm getting myself hyped, and then the alarm goes off and I'm like, I'm ready to go, and then off you go. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 35:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

So what is it for you?

SPEAKER_00 35:46

Huh. The the immediately before thing is stage, because you know, you know what I do to say bad. It's it's not too bad, but it's like a little cheesy. But it's it's hard for me to like think about my body when I'm actively gyming sometimes because there's so much happening and it's not really easy for me. So like if I'm done like early, like on Sundays we go to gym, and I tend to be up a little early on a Sunday, so I'll have some free time, so I'll get dressed and then I'll like practice my moves, and that makes me feel like I'm like rehearsing and I'm like, yeah, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

So I what I will do is I'll go on my phone, I'll find these people that I particularly like. Like I was telling it on, I tend to watch personal trainers, trainers. The trainers are personal trainers, they're pages. So usually like uh like people who study bio kinetics and now they're physios, and now they're teaching these people like, oh, how do you check for mobility? You want to do this and you wanna so I'm watching that, and then I'm like makes a lot of sense how you talk to me when I'm germing.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

Because you talk to me like a personal trainer when I'm germing.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

It's because I keep feeding myself the stupid content, it's all like this is how I'm processing. But yeah, so um so I'll watch these videos and it'll get me super hyped up, and I'm like, then I want a germ, and so I'm like, just before germ, that's what I should do. Like get into it, you know, get in because sometimes I'll sit and I'll be watching, I'm gonna go to gym right now, and I'm like, what the I'm at work, you know, I can't do it right now. But yeah, you came too early. Yeah, but I was like, I should use this intentionally somewhere. And so whatever it is, you know, you've got to find the thing that works for you. You know, maybe if you're like, you know, you're disgusting, you need to do better, you need to, and if that's your thing, I'm not gonna judge you. Do your thing, but it's about the timing, choose when it's not.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

You know, if you're like you're if you're getting ready for gym and the process of getting done for gym helps you, that's your pregame, putting on a cute outfit, doing your hair. That's a part of it.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

That's a exactly, exactly. Okay, then my fourth one is a little bit this is a controversial one. Okay. No, it's a controversial one.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

Because it's sad.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

I personally, no, it's not sad. Ron and I, in the beginning of our gym careers, are a firm believer in reward yourself. Yes. If you go to the gym for an hour and you want to drive past McDonald's and you want to eat the McDonald's chips, do it.

SPEAKER_00 38:10

Hells yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

Do it. Now, is this a healthy tip? No. This is not about health. This is not about the best version of you. This is not about getting to your goals. This is about you doing something difficult and getting your you can get a reward. You did it. You did it. You did you did the hard thing. Now go eat the thing you want, or go sit on the couch or go. I don't know what it is that you were feeling like you weren't supposed to do because you're germing now. Whatever it fuck that reward yourself. Do it, you know, eat the cupcake. I don't care. And what's gonna happen is you're gonna develop healthier habits as you go.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

But especially in the beginning month, that's so much.

SPEAKER_01 38:45

Stop fighting yourself. You know, I read in this book that uh diary of a CEO. He said there was a study done where they said determination, no, willpower is like a muscle, you can use it up. Yes, so you're fighting all of these things off, and you're like, I don't wanna, it's exhausting, it's tough, you're doing a lot of work. Sometimes you're tired, everything floods in. You know what I'm saying? So do it, do it, don't fight off the McDonald's chips. And those of you who judged me, don't judge me anymore. Don't judge.

SPEAKER_00 39:14

And you know what? I disagree. This is a healthy tip. This is a good tip. I don't think that this is controversial at all. Because you're right about the willpower thing, you know, and also it's the 80-20 rule. You know, if you're gonna go 100 all the time, you're gonna burn out. You're gonna burn out. It's just it's gonna be too much for anyone. And we've been there, you know? We've we've been there. You know, been there. And also, if you allow yourself a small treat all the time, you won't romanticize these treats. You won't romanticize McDonald's or romanticize sitting around all the time. It's just a part of your everyday life. It's a part of all of your other healthy habits. So it doesn't have to be a negative thing.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

Why do I feel like you you watched like a like something that where the bodybuilders guys were saying that they do eat the cheat meals and they have the cheat meals every now and then, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 40:06

Yeah, but not not the bodybuilders, but just like like gym people who are like like really fit and stuff, and they'll say, like of sometimes there there's like a trick for weight loss where they say it's like the chocolate rule or something, and you get like a jar and you put tiny chocolates or tiny treats in it, and every day you have a cheat after supper, even if you don't want it, even if you're not in the mood that day, you have a treat after supper, and it's about the idea of like not looking at it as this thing that's like built up because then because the resistance and and willpower is a muscle, exactly, and so now you you're trying to like not look at it all the time, and then one day you're tired out and then you binge exactly, exactly 100%.

SPEAKER_01 40:45

Yeah, so that's reward yourself. So don't don't alienate these seats because it becomes exhausting to fight against, it needs to be a part of it. Remember, you were in this for the long run.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

And we did this also when we first started losing weight, we cut out everything. Yeah, sugar, bread.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

Oh, the smell of bread.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

I think oh my god, bread.

SPEAKER_01 41:05

25-year-old me smelled bread. And it was like it smelled amazing.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

Weak at the knee.

SPEAKER_01 41:12

Bread never smelled that good, genuinely.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

And then when we stopped and we started going back into it, all we did was eat unhealthy stuff. Sure, our quantities were low because we were still like, oh, we had to stay skinny or whatever, but we we never ate anything healthy after that because we we restricted ourselves for so long that when we allowed ourselves that, it's all we could think about, it's all we could eat. And we had to like kind of wean ourselves off of it a little bit to like get back to our healthy life.

SPEAKER_01 41:37

Dark, dark space of binging.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Cinnamon cinnamon rolls every day, dude. Like it was like it was tough.

unknown 41:45

Whoa.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

So don't do that to yourself. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

And also, like, like you're saying, you know, this is why diets don't work. It's it's an extreme version that you can't keep up all the time. And so the goal isn't for you to deprive yourself, give yourself the reward. You worked hard, God.

SPEAKER_02 42:00

You worked hard, get it.

SPEAKER_01 42:01

Go out there, drive, eat, drink, drink the margarita. How many calories?

SPEAKER_00 42:06

500. Should drink the margarita. They're so good though. Oh my gosh. On your birthday. Margarita on your birthday.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

Okay. Then I have one bonus tip. Now, once you have, you know, perfected the test and they're working for you, as I believe they will, because they have worked for us and they will always work for us going forward. You know, these are some things that I can see. I still use them. Um as you're doing oh my god, I close this book like I could remember it. What did it say?

SPEAKER_00 42:34

Yeah, you close it like you were dying.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

Okay, but one one thing that oh I'd say about like this year or the maybe last year sometime, something that idealized it on and I had this goal. We went to gym. We were going to gym like what five times. We were aiming for like five, six times a week. Five, six times, yeah. And it was fucking exhausting. Dude, and I told a girl, we are not hitting our goal. Let's dial that shit back, let's dial that shit four days, let's nail that before we do anything. Because we had set this version that we thought was good before we even worked our way up towards it. So if you can manage going to gym once a week, do that until that becomes easy. Then add another day. Don't don't get involved with the you must go 12 times. Fuck that, dude. What can you do right now? Can you go to gym once a week? That's all. Do that for a year. I don't give a shit. Do that until it feels like it's a part of your lifestyle. Because I'll tell you this the moment you aim for something that's attainable and you do it for that long, I promise you, suddenly you're gonna go for one day and then you're gonna be like this is a certain day. This is my life now. That's the norm, and so you will be able to make space for another day and for another day. So just start with what you can. Don't bite off too much.

SPEAKER_00 43:58

Yes, bite off. More than you can chew.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Don't bite off more than you can chew. Because that becomes demotivating.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

Yes. And it's kind of the same, um, in the same vein as your previous point about like, you know, trying too hard to like stick to this perfect about.

SPEAKER_01 44:13

It's like, did I make two of the s no no no? I hate when they do that in self-help books.

SPEAKER_00 44:17

It's just about like the restriction or like going too hard on something. You know, because I will also say that something, the reason we did the five, the five a day is five a day. Five day. That is a lot.

SPEAKER_01 44:32

Would I be buffed right now? Oh my god. It looked like summer in a dick.

SPEAKER_00 44:37

Buff summer in a dick. Um but yeah, because sometimes when you like when you think about like gym culture, and I do think it's it's gotten better and also more toxic lately. But it's it's like people are like, oh, you don't take gym seriously if you don't go like four times, five times a week, you know, if you aren't eating properly, if you aren't doing this, if you aren't like a buff, and you know, like wearing a pump cover, you know, all of these markers that you have to heat to be known as a gym person can sometimes make you feel out of place because you're like, oh like I'm going once a while.

SPEAKER_01 45:13

It's a culture now, and then you feel like you know, I don't want to culture this appropriate, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:17

Yeah, like you know, and screw that.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Fuck it.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

Screw that. Like you you know, there there's a bigger gym culture out there, and it's not just the meatheads. You know, there are people that are going to just live a healthy lifestyle and it doesn't look the same for everybody.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

So that's a that's a very recent extreme fad, you know. I wouldn't say fad, but it's the extreme culture that's become uh popular in recently. And so like a lot, you know, like people I I don't know, like maybe it's just because of social media, but like people you know what I'm saying? Like it wasn't always like gym gym gym heads were like a very niche bodyholders. There were other bodybuilders. But even like the guys, you know, like um guys who were into gym who are not necessarily body, but they were just like very niche. There's like one or two of them, you kind of know them, they're into gym, you know. But like women being into gym now, the culture of it, the all of these high-dox cultures, and you know, it's it's big now, and I can see how it can be intimidating. But like look, we are real people, you know? We're real people, we're doing real life shit, we're trying to incorporate something that's supposed to be for everyone, healthy for everyone. Not like either it's my whole personality or nah. Like it doesn't have to be your personality, but it is good for you and you should be doing it.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

So just because you aren't doing it a hundred percent, don't couch yourself out and don't.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

You don't have to be a gym person, it doesn't have to be your personality. It it really is, but it it the m the amount that you can do and that you're willing to do is always gonna be good for you. So push to time to it, you know. They say that you should be as a woman, you should be able to carry what 50 to 70% of your weight in your as it was a farmer's walk. Farmer's walk is if you have like two plates next to you and you're just walking.

SPEAKER_00 46:59

Yeah, like kind of like carrying closer bags.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

Yeah, like carrying closer bags, yeah, basically. But you should be able to carry 40% of your weight. Nope. 50 to 70. I'm not sure where in there it is, but somewhere there, yeah. You can just Google it. I'm not gonna google it now on my phone, sorry, yeah. Don't fact check us. That's what we always say. Always fact-check us.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

Always.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

But they say you should you should be able to carry that amount of weight, and it's a good indicator of how in your old age you will have the stent to carry your body and like your dip stents.

SPEAKER_00 47:31

Yeah, because this is this is another thing also. I yes I am, and but it's okay, maybe this shows that I'm not in my late 20s. But before when I was German and stuff, I was always like, oh, get as skinny as possible, you know, early 2000s, tens. Hero and chic. Here and chic, you know, and I think as I get older, I've got a very sick family. My family's full of ailments. And I think the older I get, the more I'm so worried about like my body giving in on me. And it's a it's a nice reminder that I'm also German. Is it so funny?

SPEAKER_01 48:02

You always worry about your body giving in. I'm always worried that my mind will go first, that'll fuck with me.

SPEAKER_00 48:07

No, I think my mind's gonna stay. I'm just gonna be paralyzed and my my mind's gonna be like.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

Honestly, that's okay. I can handle that. I I'd hate it.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

But if my mind goes rather, I would genuinely take me outside and and and I am legend you, you know. I don't know. I feel like I'll know.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

I feel like I'll know. Being blessed. Or be like for like a moment. Oh my god, I knew it. I fucking knew it. I was nuts, wasn't I?

SPEAKER_00 48:34

Oh man, but yeah, I'm always so scared. And I think the older I get, I'm starting to notice like little things. Like my knees get really sore when I'm cold now. Oh dude, what's up with that? Like, why are my bones achy when I get up in the morning? I feel tight like I've said.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

Sorry, just uh while you're talking. Can you remember how sore it was to sit when you were skinny? Oh. For long periods of time. Now I can sit forever, bro.

SPEAKER_00 48:55

My back also.

SPEAKER_01 48:56

Do you like a posture, my back? My own body feels like it can hold itself with stink and I can't.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

I do think I'm hypermobile. I'll just I'll explain this to you after the after the part. But it's Kelly's. Yeah, uh it's like when your your your joints are like like hypermobile. Like they say, like, like if you feel like like I always say I want to sit. If there's a chair, I'm gonna sit. Like my body feels too heavy for myself all the time. Like it's kind of like I don't know exactly what the terminology is, but it's kind of like if you like sit in funny positions because it feels better. Yeah, like your head feels too heavy sometimes, so you have to like lean it like this, or like it's hard to hold your posture because it feels like you have to actively hold yourself up. Like very aware of my body and how heavy it is all the time.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

Interesting, interesting.

SPEAKER_00 49:41

Okay, but you know it's family sick, it's always family sick, and I and it's it's been it's been bumming me out, and I don't want to get sick in a in a detrimental way. And so I do think that the older I get, I'm starting to see the positive benefits of germin for the like longevity of life. You know, like I want to be like I want to be 60 and still be able to like walk around and do things for myself and get up and walk. My family has arthritis, and I'm scared about that, you know. And I the more muscle you bull, the better for your tendons and your bones if you do have arthritis. There's a lot of things that it can help, you know.

SPEAKER_01 50:15

Blood flow, um uh cholesterol.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

Cholesterol.

SPEAKER_01 50:21

Yeah, so many things.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

All of the things. But yeah, it's it's really a really it's really good.

SPEAKER_01 50:30

It's good. It's good.

SPEAKER_00 50:32

It's tough, it's tough, but it's good, it's worth it.

SPEAKER_01 50:34

Like just the feeling of my own body. Like if that if all of that, if you're like, I don't give a fuck about all of those things, fine. But like I feel like I'm not a piece of shit. You know, like I feel strong like that.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

I was just saying sometimes I feel strong. Like sometimes I like lift something or like I'll carry things and people will be like, oh, that's so heavy, and I'm like, what do you do?

SPEAKER_01 50:56

It's such a nice feeling like happen as a girl, it feels so nice, it feels so competent. We went to the beach. Um like my work friends and I we went to the beach. Sometimes you go to the beach.

SPEAKER_02 51:10

It's just cute.

SPEAKER_01 51:14

So you know, sometimes my work and um this is one of those days where like there was no waves, the water was just still, and I could go and you know, like you're not fighting, it's just still water, and I could swim out like really far. And the guys were swimming and they were like, Oh, they want to swim to the buoy far out. And I was like, Oh, like in my mind, I was terrified because I was like, shit, like I I can't touch the ground at some point. And for most of that swim, I wouldn't have been able to. It was quite far. I don't know how many meters, I'm not even gonna try and guess. But it was really, really far. Like for most of that swim, like I'm talking, can't even like swim down and touch the ground, like nothing, like darkness, right? Oh my god, like darkness. Dude, so now I'm like, do I do the swim? And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna because old me, skinny me, not a fight. I wouldn't have been able to get out that far to make that choice, you know? And then I swam and I swam, and some of the guys were knocking out, eh? Like it was the one guy was a swim teacher, so he taught he's teaching swimming and he's like pretty baffled. So he wouldn't. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? But it was me and him, and I only turned it down because I was like, I was more scared of the opening than I was that I couldn't swim back. And I swam, dude, like not the whole way, but like I wasn't tired or overwhelmed. You didn't turn back because you couldn't do it anymore. Yeah, I could manage, and that was such an amazing because I know I used to water alone, like it's scary. Like you, you you you know your stents when you're in water that deep. You know what I'm saying? You know your self-worth right there. And I was like, that alone made me feel so strong, like I wasn't so helpless. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:56

Hold your own, man.

SPEAKER_01 52:57

Nice feeling.

SPEAKER_00 52:58

You know where it also helps? Hair wash day.

SPEAKER_01 53:02

I'm gonna leave her with this. Absolutely nothing fucking helps hair wash day. I hate it.

SPEAKER_00 53:08

No amount of jump. Before I used to feel like on the verge of genuinely passing out. Now I'm just tired. It's helped a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

Yeah, you have a full lock a lot of yeah, I can imagine, dude. I hate hair wash day, dude. It's fucking exhausting. Like I just you know what? I don't know if there is this service, but I would I would let someone I would let someone wash me top to bottom. No, I would let someone wash me top to bottom.

SPEAKER_00 53:35

No, I don't think I could do it.

SPEAKER_01 53:36

And I don't, I honestly, if if they're professional, do it. Wash me top to bottom. Everything. Like, like I'm a bathroom.

SPEAKER_00 53:44

It just made me feel better about hair wash day because I'm glad that I don't have to pay someone to wash me.

SPEAKER_01 53:50

If there's someone out there that's professional and worly.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

I was gonna say, make sure you place this properly.

SPEAKER_01 53:59

You're gonna get a D tax number for the business. Wash me. Full body wash me. I'm a daddy.

SPEAKER_00 54:07

I guess we could get like a nurse. A nurse. I don't want them to sponge pot you down.

SPEAKER_01 54:14

But I don't want like a spongy pot.

SPEAKER_00 54:15

I want like a we have to be getting the shower.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

I want someone to like like wash me down. Like I want to give them a dry brush and be like, okay, start from dry brush, dry brush me down, then take me into the water, scrub me down, then wash my hair. Then I'm like, I just want to be like a potato. Like a baby. Like a baby. Like a baby. I need to phone my mother. This is sounding sad. It'd be so but just think about it. It would be so nice. I don't know what it says about me, and I don't care.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

It just I think the process of it makes me anxious to think about. But if I just think, imagine you didn't have to do it, that's a nice Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. But I'm like, I could I don't know if I could I don't know if someone touching I don't know if I go into the hairdresser.

SPEAKER_01 55:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:00

If you just touch your own earlier, no, get away from me. I got it, I got it. No, just go home. I got it.

SPEAKER_01 55:10

But yeah, if you if you're out there and I I really genuinely hopes that this would die.

SPEAKER_00 55:18

That genuinely helps, girl.

SPEAKER_01 55:21

I genuinely hope that that this episode has changed your mind ever so slightly towards going a gym because I know it would make a huge difference to the person you are and what you look like and how you feel.

SPEAKER_00 55:35

Oh, one more tip get a gym buddy. Get a gym buddy. Get a gym buddy. Yes, yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_01 55:40

How did I forget that? That's a good one. That's really helped us through the years. Get a gym buddy.

SPEAKER_00 55:44

Someone else to hold your hands.

SPEAKER_01 55:45

Yeah, and someone that's but it's got to share. Oh, dude, have you seen those videos where they're like gym outfits with my gym buddy day one and then it's Monday, and then Tuesday.

SPEAKER_00 55:56

Yeah, get it get a gym buddy that. Oh, it breaks my whole chip. That's not a jump buddy. That's a gym.

SPEAKER_01 56:06

That's an ex jump baby. Yeah. You've gotta pick up one. It's gotta be someone who's big baby for the journey. It's a long one. Yeah. But yeah, look at the best, best the best the best thing that you can do right now is don't overthink it.