Amazing Fabulous Fitness | Sarah Bernardi Carkner | Ep 08

Meet Sarah Bernardi Carkner: Living Life Fully Through Joy, Movement, and Personal Development

In this energizing episode of The Carol Beringer Method: Amazing Movement, host Carol Beringer reconnects with Sarah Bernardi Carkner after 11 years since they first met through Sarah's sister Liz. Sarah embodies the spirit of living life to its fullest width, not just its length, through her multifaceted approach to wellness and personal development.

Join Carol and Sarah as they explore what it means to create opportunities for joy in everyday life. Sarah shares her journey as a group exercise director at ACAC Westchester, her work with FAB Empowers (Fun Ascending Boundaries), and her mission to make personal development fun and accessible. From sexy chair dance classes to sound bowl retreats, Sarah demonstrates how wellness can be both transformative and joyful.

This uplifting conversation touches on discovering yourself in new life chapters, the power of saying yes to experiences, and how showing up with positive energy can ripple out to impact everyone around you. Whether you're navigating life transitions or seeking to live more fully, Sarah's approach to resilience through joy offers inspiration for embracing all that life has to offer.

About Sarah Bernardi Carkner: Sarah is the Group Exercise Director at ACAC West Chester, overseeing 200+ classes and 80 instructors. She's the co-founder of FAB Empowers, which creates fun wellness experiences for women, and author of a book featuring 10 life lessons learned on the fitness floor. A former professor with 8 years of teaching experience, Sarah is passionate about making personal development accessible and enjoyable while helping others step into their light.

Connect with Sarah:

• FAB Empowers: Fun wellness events and personal development experiences
• Group Exercise Program at ACAC West Chester
• Corporate presentations and life coaching

CHAPTERS: 

00:00 Introduction to Amazing Movement Podcast
00:53 Sarah's Multi-Faceted Wellness Career
01:36 FAB Empowers: Making Personal Development Fun
02:19 Fifty Shades of FAB Chair Dance Events
03:30 Book: 10 Life Lessons Learned on the Fitness Floor
04:43 The Importance of Learning from Life Experiences
06:04 Living the Width of Life, Not Just the Length
07:38 Personal Mission: Creating Opportunities for Joy
08:40 The Ripple Effect of Positive Energy
10:05 Choosing How to Show Up in the World
12:05 Current Life Priorities: Getting to Know Yourself
14:20 Life Mission vs. Current Priorities
16:12 The Challenge of Focusing vs. Breadth of Experience
18:34 Learning to Say No and Set Boundaries
20:21 Personal Interests Beyond Responsibilities
22:27 Being Authentic to Yourself Without "Shoulds"
23:25 Connecting and Sharing Networks

ABOUT CAROL BERINGER: With 25+ years of experience, Carol combines expertise in brain-based functional movement, Pilates, and yoga to help clients achieve improved posture, pain relief, and lifelong wellness. Her mission is to help people live as well as they can for as long as they can, building a community of women embracing wellness and joy as a lifestyle.

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Transcript

00:00 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Welcome to my weekly podcast. I'm building a community embracing wellness and joy as a lifestyle. Join me as I explore diverse self-care practices to live as well as we can for as long as we can. Let's embark on this vibrant journey together. Hi, and welcome to this episode of Amazing Movement, the Carol Berenger Method, because we are talking about resolving to be resilient day in and day out, and one of the people that I know is super resilient is Sarah Karkner, and so I'm going to ask because we haven't caught up in so long. 

00:34
Now I met Sarah because her sister Liz who will be another interview we met at a yoga training and I think it's. I tried to figure it out today. I think it might be 11 years. Okay, it's 11. Okay, she's over there and so she's backing me up that it's 11 years and I haven't caught up with you in forever. So what are you doing now? 

00:53 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
So I'm doing a bunch of things, which is what I like, although I am trying to hone in a little bit, but, um, I definitely still have that entrepreneurial wellness spirit of doing kind of different things in the wellness space. So I do run group exercise at ACAC in Westchester. So we have like over 200 classes and there's 80 instructors. So I run their program, um, which is, you know, a lot of fun and keeps me um, moving and shaken. And then I have fab and powers, which is stands for fun. I have FAB Empowers, which stands for Fun Ascending Boundaries, making Personal Development Fun. And it's a female-oriented group where we do wellness events. So we throughout the year offer different wellness opportunities. 

01:36 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Give us another example of one. 

01:42 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
For example, fifty Shades of FAB chair dance event we have right before Valentine's Day. Every year we learn a little fun sexy chair dance event. We have right before Valentine's Day every year. We learn a little fun sexy chair dance. But it's really about feeling empowered and feeling good in your own skin and having fun together. So, even though it's a sexy chair dance, you are learning. There's so much laughter, so much bonding and camaraderie. It's really an awesome event. So we do that every year. 

02:02 - Carol Beringer (Host)
How many people do you usually have at an event? 

02:05 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
um that particular event, because it's at my business partner's dance studio which is in newtown square. It's called from the top studio of dance. Um, we can only fit a certain amount of chairs, so basically like 20 to 25 chairs. It's chair dependent. You gotta have a chair. 

02:19 - Carol Beringer (Host)
You gotta reserve your chair so that's that event. 

02:21 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
But we'll do things like an outdoor cardio dance party where we'll have that at a big park and we'll open that up and you know we can get a lot of people coming to something like that. So those are the kind of events we'll do. I am also doing a retreat that's at the Church of the Loving Shepherd in Westchester. That's coming in May and that's going to have sound bowls and I'm going to be doing joyful movement, um, and there's going to be energy healing. So it's just throughout the year, opportunities for women to get together and have experiences of joy, really, um, which is what I'm about, which is a good aspect of wellness and to be well and to focus on wellness. So that's what I do with that. And then I always do the coaching. So I still have a couple of clients that I help them, you know, with goal setting in whatever to be a long day and a half. 

03:10 - Carol Beringer (Host)
So I took the book and I gave it to somebody at the other end. So know that your book is in Tahiti. 

03:30 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
That makes me really happy, pay it forward. Because in the book, so it's 10 life lessons. I learned on the fitness floor and for a short time I was running ACAC for a little while, while we're getting a full-time person and so many different experiences happen as you read the book and I just felt compelled. I was like, wow, I feel like we need and I want to do it in a fun way. So making personal development fun, cause it should be fun. 

03:56
You know, I think some people shy away from it because it's like oh, it's work, it's the best work you can do. If you can do this work, it's going to make your life better, richer, more fulfilling. So, yeah, it takes energy and effort. So this is a life lesson, a story, and then a tool, and I'm very big on tools because of what I'm seeing. I also present at corporations. 

04:19
I do different presentations and stuff, but what I see is everybody gets all gung ho on the front end and then, when it comes to application and saying how can we learn from this? And I don't think people take enough time to say, wow, I had this life event, I had this experience, what can I learn from it? And then, how am I going to apply that? I mean, we all have those people in our life, whether it's dating the same guy or in the job, that just like, oh my God, are they not figuring this out yet? 

04:43
It's easy for you because, as a friend, an observer, a colleague, to see the patterns. It's harder when you're in it, so to be able to step back and say, okay, what did I learn from this? Maybe I learned that I need to set boundaries different. Maybe I learned that I need to learn to say no. Maybe I learned that I need to be more assertive for myself, whatever it is taking it to. Pen and paper is going to work different parts of your brain and that's what we need to do especially when we're so digital. 

05:08
As a professor, I was a professor for eight years and I used to make the kids still write things down and they don't learn to write. They really they don't learn to write anymore and I'm like you guys, this will solidify it for you. So within this book, as you know, there's exercises to do, and if you really do them, it's going to change your life. 

05:26 - Carol Beringer (Host)
And they're fun. Well, it makes you just be in that present moment with that, because we all put on the back burner like, okay, this happened, and then this happens now. 

05:33 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
And. 

05:34 - Carol Beringer (Host)
I love it when people say well, when things calm down it never happens Like whatever goes away something at least as big comes to replace it. If not bigger, it challenges you to the next place. So if we don't have this outlook of joy and resolving to be resilient, yeah that you know you just can get, so bogged down in the shoulda, woulda couldas absolutely and just can't have that right, and I'm really big. 

05:56 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
I always talk about living the width of my life, not just the length, and if you don't do that, you're just living the length of your life I call it expanding time yeah, like you, yeah, like you know it's like somebody would say, well, I don't have time for that. 

06:04 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Like, yeah, we do what's important to us, that's right, and sometimes especially since we're all other-oriented, I think and you know the people that I'm interviewing we're, you know, we show up for other people, right, and so we have to walk our talk. 

06:20 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Right? Oh well, that's one of my big, big life themes for me. 

06:25 - Carol Beringer (Host)
So in this I have a Pilates studio, and so that's why I said what could be a better job for my staff? And I have a wonderful staff. It's like what could be better? Someone comes in, they, they engage with you, like who do you spend 55 minutes? 

06:36
with one-on-one once or twice a week. So you really get involved and and it's like they come in and you give them the first 10 minutes to get settled in and say what's on their mind and then move them and they leave and you know you've helped them feel better. They feel better, and what could be a better way to? 

06:52 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
spend your life. 

06:52 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Yeah, that's beautiful and so you've brought it to every chapter of your life. 

06:56 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
I try, I try to bring it. I think that boils down to my fundamental personal life mission, and I do think that's something for people to explore, and I don't think people explore that either. 

07:06 - Carol Beringer (Host)
So for me, you know they say they don't have time or they just put it on the back burner because they don't, they don't have a personal mission. 

07:11 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
So my personal mission is to um create opportunities for joy, but then also, with whatever I'm doing, to do it to the best, best of my ability, with my fullest integrity, as much as I can, because that's something that's important to me, but then also to help other people step into their light. So that's something that is always in the back of my mind of how can I help other people be their best selves, no matter what we do. 

07:38 - Carol Beringer (Host)
So do you feel that? Because when you make people feel better in their bodies and their movement and their, that they feel, then they make better choices and they're bolder and 100 don't you think I mean 100 and interestingly enough, I just went to um the chester county food bank for a tour with a friend who's um a donor there and now I'm a donor there, oh good everyone should go visit, uh right, a food bank that is really doing something for the near community, rather than the bigger ones yeah because they, you know, it's so diverse. 

08:10
But this young man, he said well, he says I came to this job here because movement and eating if you can't do both of those things, if you're not getting that nourishment both ways, you don't have anything else. 

08:21 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
And I was like wow right, he just he was very purposeful, yeah yeah, you know, and that's where you come from. Yeah, and I also think then, taking that one step deeper, it comes from whatever you do. So if you're going to target and you're in line, you can have an energetic input on somebody you know, just by smiling at them. 

08:40 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Oh my gosh. 

08:41 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
So it can be the micro and the macro of what you're doing. Get that. And so I think I was actually thinking about this this morning, about like purpose, and a lot of people are like, oh, you have to find your purpose. Your purpose can be just to show up with your best energetic self, or even with your most balanced nervous system, so then other people can experience what it's like to be with people with a balanced nervous system and I had heard a therapist I don't remember who it was who said their job as a therapist was just to be a space where their nervous system was balanced. 

09:14
For somebody who isn't, and I was like, wow, that's really a a powerful thing. So even whatever interactions I have with people and I'm often surprised by it, like if you're just friendly my daughter actually was telling me a story about how, um you know when you're supposed to wave, like, say thank you. If you like merge, say you go like this when you're driving. She says she blows kisses. Now she's like I go, she's like the whole thing, isah muah muah, she's like the whole thing is just blowing kisses. 

09:38
And I was like that's hilarious, because if I was driving and someone was like muah muah, thank you, thank you, that's such a happy energy. Yeah, you know, as opposed to yeah, thanks. Yeah, you know, and it would make my day decision to do that and decide how they want to contribute to the world. And then that brings back to your first question about resiliency. Yeah, and it's a choice and a decision, you know, of how you want to show up in the world. 

10:05 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Yeah, I mean the local supermarket. When I come up, I always look for this one particular cashier because I enjoy her energy. And when she looks up and she sees that I'm next. She said to me one day I am so happy when I see you. And I said because nobody around here is smiling. 

10:19 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Yes, well, that's exactly. 

10:21 - Carol Beringer (Host)
And this past Thanksgiving one of my male clients. He came in and he said I was at Whole Foods yesterday and he goes. Not one person had a smile on their face. And he said then I so hectic in there and I always feel in Wegmans, it's overwhelming to me. 

10:37
Like they need traffic signs and he said literally two women, so absorbed in their own thing, smashed their carts together and he said they went at each other like I thought they were going to get in a fight. So I left the studio sometime after him, probably for my lunch break, and I went to a local supermarket and then to the farmer's market and then I went into De Bruno's across from the farmer's market. 

10:58
Yeah, and nobody's smiling. In Whole Foods I went to the farmer's market. I go there the day before a holiday just because it's joyful. 

11:06
Right Because there's these long lines, everybody waiting and they're chatting up and people have their kids with them. It's just fun, Even if you don't eat anything, you know it's fun, Right. And then I went over to DeBrino's and it was joyful and festive. So I called him up and I'm there, like get in your car, go to the farmer's. He never goes to the farmer's Just walk through. You don't have to buy a thing, Just absorb the joy. And then go over to DeBrino's. 

11:33 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
And he goes. I'm so glad you made me do that more, and I think that's a big thing too. 

11:37 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Like you're looking for opportunities for joy, I just think it's you genuinely and R&I genuinely my mother, when I was even a kid, would say you've never met a stranger. 

11:46 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Oh, that's so funny, so yeah. 

11:48 - Carol Beringer (Host)
And there's always that. You know. You see that line in movies all the time, like you know where someone says just you know, show someone your smile, you'll get one back. And it's really that simple Right. Very true. 

11:58 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Very true All right. 

11:58 - Carol Beringer (Host)
So the questions that I prepared you for perhaps were what are your three priorities right now in life? Do you? 

12:05 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Do you want the life ones or the Well, I want your current ones. 

12:09 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Okay, and because we kind of have the gist of your life ones, but then I'm going to ask your life ones and how they mix together. 

12:20 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
So I would say my, my current thing right now is getting to know myself like so my priority is spending time with myself. In a way I haven't before, because now I'm my daughter's in college, I'm divorced, you know I it's a different part of my life. So getting to know myself again, so you can quietly yes, and I'm the youngest of a big, so I was born into lots of things always happening, so this is the first time I'm really experiencing in my entire life being alone Lack of chaos. 

12:44
Yeah, lack of chaos, and so it's getting to know myself in a different way, not abandoning myself in any way, and which means asking myself what I really want, because a lot of times you know, as a mother or a partner or a sibling or a daughter, you know you worry about everybody else, especially if you have my kind of personality, you know. 

13:05
So it's been really good to be like what does Sarah want? And then not running from that, and so that's another big thing, not trying to fill that time with other things but sitting with myself. So I'm doing things like I, you know, got a coloring book and I'll like color or puzzles, and being okay with that quietness and learning to be okay with the stillness which is kind of meditative really, and that's why you do the meditation. And a lot of people have a hard time with that because it's go, go, go and noise and and all that stuff. So it's been really that's been my priority not to run away from that but to settle and lean into it and just be like oh, and observe what comes up for me. 

13:43 - Carol Beringer (Host)
And not be afraid of change. I don't think you are, but so many people are and I've always embraced change and when I look back, sometimes I should have been terrified. 

13:53 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Right. 

13:54 - Carol Beringer (Host)
But you know, yeah, so interesting. 

13:57 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
So you've probably had some positive experiences of change which helped allow you to Well, I learned as much from the not positive ones Right. 

14:04 - Carol Beringer (Host)
But I'm a little more dense on those. It took me longer, to you know, to find boundaries. Right the boundary's still way far back, but it's not as far back as it used to be Right? And so what were your? So do you feel that your life ones were much different than your? 

14:20 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Not really. I actually years and years and years ago gosh, probably like 2008, I actually have written and I've always kept it with me, my life mission, so part of my life's mission is staying in balance. It's finding joy Like I have these 10 things written out. It's supporting my daughter on her journey. Is it in the book? 

14:41 - Carol Beringer (Host)
No, it's not in the book. We need another book, Sarah. It's not in the book. 

14:43 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Everybody should do that, though. I mean, it is a tool that I do with my clients where we will create. 

14:48 - Carol Beringer (Host)
I have a different way of going about it, but I do it. Creating that. You know, here's the way I look at it. Most people have their birthday, new Year's Eve and Thanksgiving to look at what they're grateful for, what they'd like to change and if they have the power to do so. So they have three opportunities and I'm missing one because my birthday is New Year's Eve. 

15:09 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Oh, wow, and that's a big one for most people. 

15:11 - Carol Beringer (Host)
So I started Thanksgiving and practice the five weeks till New Year's and then revisit it. 

15:17 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Oh, that's nice. 

15:18 - Carol Beringer (Host)
I've done this since I was 40. And so, um yeah, I've had 32 years of experience with it and every year it gets better and so. So that's why I've always done it, because it's like, if you can, during the holiday season, make any kind of improvement with all the flurry of activities and all that, then then that's worth sticking with. 

15:39 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
I think that's the touchstone of what some religion used to be, and we've lost that a little bit, in the sense of Sunday being a day just to reflect on your week, and it doesn't mean you have to go to church, maybe it's you go for a walk, but having that ritual of some kind during your week, I think is also important to have that. So I would say I'll do the I might do the bigger. You know, I've kind of honed in on what my life goals are, but week to week it's saying, okay, where can I tweak this? Or am I, am I focused on those life? 

16:12 - Carol Beringer (Host)
goals Do you write those? Do you write them? 

16:14 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
I don't write those down. I have taken times in my life where maybe I've come to a crossroad or something's happened and I will take to paper. I've like done Venn diagrams and stuff just to get it out to identify, Because I also, as a person who does like a lot of different things, I like to have a lot of different experiences, and my sister and I have talked about this. The good thing about that having lots of different interests and experiences is you get to have a breadth of experience Like you said, you get to do different things. 

16:42
But then it can make it difficult because sometimes you want to just hone in and focus and be able to just say, okay. So I revisit that a lot. So during times like that I'll be like, okay, let me hone it in. And lately I've been saying to myself, if I could only do one thing, what would I do? And lately I've been saying to myself, if I could only do one thing, what would I? 

16:59
do if I had to cut everything else? Oh, my god, I do. What would the one thing that I feel like I can contribute the most to the world? Because my time is changing the older I get and the more impact I want to have on the earth do you think you'll figure that out? You know what? I think it's always going to be a continual process, but I do think, you know, I've even just like updated my website recently to like filter out some of the stuff that I've been done. 

17:21
Because, I'm always like sure, I'll do that. That sounds fun. You want me to do a flash mob for you? Okay, you want me to do this and I wouldn't say no. Now I'm getting to the point where, and it worked for me because I loved doing all that. But now, you know, I am getting to the point where I want a different lifestyle for myself, just meaning the way I want my life to be, given that my daughter's graduating college and things like that as. I live this next chapter. 

17:44 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Well, a couple decades ago, I had to practice what you're talking about. I literally stood in front of a mirror because I would say yes to everything everybody asked of me and I was starting to feel like you can't multitask that much. 

17:56
I mean nothing. You can't do everything 100%. So at some point decades ago I had to say you know what? I can't do all of that, but I'll take this piece that I know I can do simply by myself, without stress. You know, I'm willing to do this. I can't do the whole thing you're asking me about. 

18:13 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
And I do think we always have to bring it back to that being fully present and being able to focus on what we're doing. But I think, you know, with being a mother, with being a career woman, like there's a lot of different directions you're pulled in. So it's easy to have to do everything, so staying centered, bringing it back, and I think it's just always like course correcting bring it back, course correcting. 

18:34 - Carol Beringer (Host)
But you've always loved yours. You know you've loved your different choices at some level, and there are a lot of people that don't have even that choice. 

18:42
I mean they seriously don't. That's kind of scary to me, like I, you know. I just it breaks my heart a lot that you know there are huge pieces of our population. I actually have a friend with a deteriorating disease who says she has a complicated relationship with it because she has the means to take good care of herself and that the people that nearly need to work for living day in and day out and need the money to pay. 

19:09
make ends meet are the ones that are exhausting themselves so much that their illness is worse and they don't have the means to take a break. 

19:19 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
And so Well, right there there's a problem that we're seeing that we need to try to fix, and fill a void of so to me, that's an exciting opportunity to say okay, how can we contribute to that? 

19:29 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Yeah. 

19:30 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
And I think that's something that just even hearing you talk about that it's like okay, what programs can we bring about to? Help those people with those situations, yeah, and it's like, okay, what programs can we bring about to help those people with those? 

19:38 - Carol Beringer (Host)
situations and, I think, having discussion, and you do, I mean you, I do try to do that but I could do that even more. 

19:42 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
I mean, you can only do so much and you have to find the things you're passionate about. But I think if we get the dialogue and discussion to be different about that, even linking back to the very simple thing of you know those people who you were saying they were in the grocery store and they and they were, they were about to get in the fight because there was a lot probably going on and there's a backstory and it's thanksgiving yes, and there's stress and all this stuff, and it's like, instead of hey, how can I? 

20:08
hey, can I help you guys? 

20:10 - Carol Beringer (Host)
okay. So the next question was apart from all your responsibilities although I think you just enjoy the things that are your responsibilities what kind of interests do you have that have nothing to do with any of those? 

20:21 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
That's a great question. Interests, I mean, I do love personal development which is linked to my job, so that's a good thing. I am into that, I do I. I enjoy having a lot of different experiences. I love music. I love going to concerts. We were going to go to drag karaoke last night but that didn't happen. I love regular karaoke, trivia nights, Like. I just like doing a lot of different things. I'm the kind of person who I'll try anything once for sure. So I think as I've gotten older I didn't realize maybe I was so like that. 

20:54 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Or when you get to really be older. 

20:59 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
I'm just oh, you're so funny but I feel like you know I'm just trying out different things to see, really, you know, what sticks. But being open to that, because I do think one of the things I'm seeing kind of across the board is people living small and not getting out there and trying to have different experiences. And you know, they get into routine, they get into habits and I think you need to be jostled every now and again. You need to, you know, allow yourself experiences of joy and make that a priority to bring that into your life and do you have a structure to your day or week, or do you just? 

21:31 - Carol Beringer (Host)
um not as much as I should probably no shooting, no shooting, no, I know, you know, and that's the thing they say they do say you know, if it's working for you, don't judge it too much. 

21:42 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
A lot of my friends have these rituals in the morning, like when they wake up. They're like oh, I wake up and I go have my coffee and I, you know, do wordle. Or somebody else will say, oh, I wake up and I always do the crossword, or I wake up and I just met, whatever. They all have these rituals. So then I started being like do I need a ritual Because I am without some? 

22:01 - Carol Beringer (Host)
kind of ritual. 

22:02 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
But then I have to say to myself it's only if it doesn't work for you. 

22:05 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Your ritual is not having a ritual. 

22:06 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Right. So maybe my ritual is just doing my thing, getting up and going, you know, and so I think that's a big thing, I think, for people to let themselves be who they are. If something's not working, then, yeah, you want to change it, but if it works for you, it's okay. And we have a lot of things that like, oh, I should be meditating and I hear people I should should should. 

22:27
Well, why should you do that? If it's maybe you should, if it really will bring you peace or joy or, you know, give you homeostasis for nervous system or whatever, but it's okay to also be you, you know. So that's a big message and thing that I think, especially with something like this, when you do the things to figure out who you are and what you want for yourself and what kind of person you want to be, and it's okay. So, yeah, so my morning ritual is not really a ritual. I guess my, my hobbies are just trying anything and everything out there to live, live life fully. 

22:58 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Well, thanks for sharing your time. And so for viewers and listeners. Yeah, so, instead of putting a lot of information that you have to look up later or go somewhere else, if you want to be in touch with Sarah, just write to hello at carolberringercom and I'll put you in touch and keep, keep you in the loop or yeah, and we're going to share I think we all should start sharing. Did I say should? 

23:25 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
I think I might it'll be okay, it will be a joy to share all of our network together. 

23:32 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Yes, more and bring all these things. And you had a podcast. I did. 

23:36 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Yeah, what was life? Flat to fabulous. It was on voice of america. We did 17 episodes. It was great. It was with sheila turner, my business partner who owns from the top dance studio for fab and powers, and it was a pleasure, it was a joy, we had a great time. But then covid came, yeah, and we kind of so you're a pro at this. 

23:53 - Carol Beringer (Host)
I'm pretty new to it. It was fun well this is videoed. 

23:55 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Ours was, ours was not on video at the time. 

23:57 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Yeah well, we do have this on podcast where it's-. 

24:00 - Sarah Bernardi Carkner (Guest)
Yes, audio, yeah, audio and land. Well, thanks, yeah, this was a pleasure. Thank you, yeah, so good to see you and catch up. 

24:06 - Carol Beringer (Host)
Thank you all the listeners Very fun. All right, see you next time.