2 or More Podcast
The 2 or More Podcast is a conversation for lost balls and sleeping giants—followers of Jesus who are hungry for authenticity and to grow in their gifts and calling. Mike Bishop and Joel Henson explore what it looks like to plant sustainable microchurches, build spiritual family, and live out the kingdom of God in your whole life.
Episodes
19 episodes
Reimagining Church Structure: From Centralized Control to Spirit-Led Collaboration
We continue exploring APEST as a blueprint for rethinking church leadership beyond centralized, CEO-style structures. This episode asks what it would look like to move from platform-driven models into shared, collaborative leadership where apos...
How to Discern Your APEST Gift
We move away from reducing spiritual gift discovery to personality tests, spiritual guessing games, or instant labels and instead step into a discipleship process that is formed over time through obedience, experience, and community. The APEST ...
Discernment in the Age of AI: When the Church Outsources Thought to Machines
In this episode, we step into the tension of a rapidly accelerating technological world where artificial intelligence is no longer a distant concept but a present voice shaping how we think, write, learn, and even preach. In a moment where the ...
Embracing Sadness - Grief Without Shame
We often treat sadness as something to be managed, avoided, or spiritually corrected, but in doing so we quietly develop a kind of emotional poverty that cannot sustain real discipleship. In this conversation, we explore the idea that sadness i...
APEST Beyond Titles: Recovering the Fivefold as Living Function, Not Religious Hierarchy
We dismantle the modern instinct to turn kingdom gifts into leadership offices and return them to what Jesus actually intended—living expressions of movement, maturity, and mutual equipping. Instead of reducing apostles, prophets, evangelists, ...
Spiritual Mapping Explained: How to Discern What God Is Doing in a Region And How to Respond
In this episode, we explore what it means to discern what God is doing in a region and how believers can respond with wisdom, humility, and spiritual clarity. We talk about the concept often referred to as “spiritual mapping” and what it actual...
Restoring APEST: The Forgotten Blueprint for Kingdom Maturity in a Fragmented Church
We explore the collapse of a centralized, consumption-based church model and return to Paul’s vision in Ephesians 4: a living, functioning body equipped through the diverse giftings of Christ Himself. APEST—apostolic, prophetic, evangelistic, s...
The One Thing Jesus Talked About Most (And the Church Talks About Least)
In this episode, we confront the quiet erosion of one of the most foundational messages of Jesus’ ministry: the Kingdom of God has come near.In many modern expressions of Christianity, “the Kingdom” has been softened into symbolism, red...
The Missing Conversation About Repentance in Modern Christianity
What does it actually mean to follow Jesus in a culture that has often softened the language of repentance, righteousness, and personal responsibility?In this Season 2 premiere of the 2 or More Podcast, Mike and Joel begin with a foundat...
The Church vs The Machine: Why We Must Return to Simplicity, Rest, and Jesus’ Design
What is the church supposed to be in the middle of a complex, fast-moving world?In this season wrap-up conversation, we step back and look at the bigger picture: the global pressures facing the church today and the growing need to retur...
How to Start a Microchurch: Finding Your People & Building Real Community
Once you’ve consecrated your space and stepped into what God is calling you to build, the next question becomes: how do you actually find your people?In this conversation, we unpack what it really looks like to form the foundation of a ...
Home Churches, Hospitality & Hosting the Holy Spirit | Practical + Spiritual Keys
What does it actually look like to cultivate a home filled with the presence of God? In this conversation, we talk about hospitality, consecrating your space, creating intentional community, and why spiritual renewal requires more than inspirat...
The Church Growth Problem Nobody Wants to Talk About
Big churches. Packed rooms. Endless content. Yet many believers still feel spiritually disconnected, exhausted, and unseen.In this episode of the 2 or More Podcast, we dive into the deeper issue many churches and leaders are facing toda...
Stop Waiting for a Platform—You’re Already Called (The Truth About Ministry & Identity)
So many believers disqualify themselves with one phrase: “I’m not a pastor.”But what if that belief is actually keeping you from stepping into your God-given calling?In this episode, we unpack what it really means to live as a disci...
We Don't Need Better Attendance. We Need Real Discipleship.
Acts 2 gets quoted a lot—but often misunderstood. We talk about why the early church wasn’t simply a formula, and what it actually looks like to live as the church today.Church was never meant to be reduced to a Sunday service, a checkl...
What Is the Church—and Does It Even Matter? (Jesus’ Original Design Explained)
What is the church, really—and does it actually matter how we define it?In this conversation, we step back from modern assumptions, systems, and models to ask a deeper foundational question: what did Jesus actually intend when He formed...
Feeling Spiritually Stuck in Church? Here's What's Really Going On
Before we can fix anything, we have to ask a better question: what is the Church actually supposed to be?In this conversation, we explore why so many believers today feel spiritually stuck, disconnected, or disillusioned with church—and...
Why Church Feels Broken — and What to Do About It
Is it you, or is something deeper broken? We unpack the tension between loving the church and recognizing its gaps—and why the solution isn’t found in blame, but in shared responsibility.The 2 or More Podcast is a conversation for lost ...
Why Church Feels Empty (And How to Bring Joy Back to the Body of Christ)
Church doesn’t feel empty because God has left—it often feels empty when the Church loses sight of what it was designed to be: a place of love, joy, discipleship, and true spiritual growth.In this conversation, we talk about why so many...